Le 14/03/2024 à 12:47, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>
> OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she [the Queen] felt that the British
> monarchy is somehow superior to the others.

Isn't our 'British' monarchy actually German?

"The House of Windsor came into being in 1917, when the name was adopted
as the British Royal Family's official name by a proclamation of King
George V, replacing the historic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. It remains
the family name of the current Royal Family" -
<https://www.royal.uk/house-windsor>

Googling a bit, opinions vary. The Daily Telegraph said last year that
it was "sehr" German, that the King's bloodline is half German (article
behind a paywall); other commentators dispute it.

I understand the greatest problem for people changing their name by deed
poll is persuading banks and the like to accept the change. I imagine
George V had less trouble with that.

On 2024-03-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-14, occam wrote:
>>
>> > On 14/03/2024 13:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> >> Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2024-03-13 21:31:13 +0000, occam said:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I was re-watching The Crown (Netflix series). In one scene, the Queen is
>> >>>> having a dialogue with her younger self, regarding her early abdication
>> >>>> in favour of Charles.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When the younger self points at The Netherlands and Luxembourg as
>> >>>> successful examples of early abdications, the older self replies "But
>> >>>> Netherlands and Luxembourg are bicycle monarchies".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have never seen the Grand Duke on a bicycle in my 25 years here.
>> >>>> However, when I do, I'll make a point of shouting "Where's the horse,
>> >>>> Your Highness?"
>> >>>
>> >>> It sounds more like something the scriptwriter invented than anything
>> >>> the Queen might have said.
>> >>
>> >> That's quite possible.
>> >> OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she felt that the British
>> >> monarchy is somehow superior to the others.
>> >>
>> >
>> > When I was taking the mandatory course on Luxembourg History and Culture
>> > - on my journey to acquiring LU citizenship - the issue of the status
>> > the Grand Duke came up.
>> >
>> > I asked "Where does a Grand Duke stand in the hierarchy of European
>> > Royals"?
>> >
>> > (Wiki says)
>> >
>> > Emperor > King/Queen > Grand Duke > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquess >
>> > Earl > Viscount etc.
>>
>> Most "Emperors" are just national monarchs with that as an addendum or
>> made up by themselves (Victoria Empress of India, Emperor Napoleon
>> I). See also Idi Amin, Conqueror of the British Empire (and King of
>> Scotland).
>>
>> Julius Caesar was "dictator" & his successors were "princeps
>> civitatis" (first citizen) then "imperator" (commander, hence
>> "emperor") because the Romans were trying to pretend that they still
>> had a republic without a king.
>
> Not just 'the Romans' Augustus himself very much insisted
> on being just a 'first citizen'.
> He had seen what may happen to a 'dictator for life',

Well, he may have tried, but that didn't keep it from happening again.

--
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe

On 2024-03-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 14/03/2024 13:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> > Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-03-13 21:31:13 +0000, occam said:
>> >>
>> >>> I was re-watching The Crown (Netflix series). In one scene, the Queen is
>> >>> having a dialogue with her younger self, regarding her early abdication
>> >>> in favour of Charles.
>> >>>
>> >>> When the younger self points at The Netherlands and Luxembourg as
>> >>> successful examples of early abdications, the older self replies "But
>> >>> Netherlands and Luxembourg are bicycle monarchies".
>> >>>
>> >>> I have never seen the Grand Duke on a bicycle in my 25 years here.
>> >>> However, when I do, I'll make a point of shouting "Where's the horse,
>> >>> Your Highness?"
>> >>
>> >> It sounds more like something the scriptwriter invented than anything
>> >> the Queen might have said.
>> >
>> > That's quite possible.
>> > OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she felt that the British
>> > monarchy is somehow superior to the others.
>> >
>>
>> When I was taking the mandatory course on Luxembourg History and Culture
>> - on my journey to acquiring LU citizenship - the issue of the status
>> the Grand Duke came up.
>>
>> I asked "Where does a Grand Duke stand in the hierarchy of European
>> Royals"?
>>
>> (Wiki says)
>>
>> Emperor > King/Queen > Grand Duke > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquess >
>> Earl > Viscount etc.
>>
>> My lecturer (a lawyer) was insistent that 'our' Grand Duke was of equal
>> status as the Queen of GB. When I expressed scepticism, she said: "Watch
>> a video of the Queen and Grand Duke on horseback parade. You will see
>> that they ride side-by-side, and not Queen first followed by the Grand
>> Duke".
>>
>> Those horses have a lot of say in human matters. (I doubt there is a
>> photo of them riding bicycles together, though.)
>
> You were right, he is wrong.
> That -grand- duke is just a creation of the English and the Prussians
> created out of thin air to get the Prince of Orange to accept that title
> with a little as posble in the way of territorial concessions
> by the Prussians.
>
> Whatever he may be, he is -by creation- an underling
> of the Kings of England/Britain and the Kings of Prussia.
>
> By feudal logic you cannot possibly be the equal
> of the overlord who created you to begin with,

But feudal logic is futile logic.

--
I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices
with great satisfaction. (Clarence Darrow)

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 14-Mar-24 21:51, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 14-Mar-24 9:54, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was re-watching The Crown (Netflix series). In one scene, the Queen is
> >>>> having a dialogue with her younger self, regarding her early abdication
> >>>> in favour of Charles.
> >>>>
> >>>> When the younger self points at The Netherlands and Luxembourg as
> >>>> successful examples of early abdications, the older self replies "But
> >>>> Netherlands and Luxembourg are bicycle monarchies".
> >>>
> >>> Upstart monarchies even, not real ones established by bloody murder.
> >>> The Kindom of the United Netherlands was created by the English
> >>> and the Prussians in 1815.
> >>> (the groundwork was laid in a secret protocol a few years earlier)
> >>> The Dutch had no say in the matter.
> >>
> >> Payback for 1688.
> >
> > Ah, got you there.
> > So you admit to having been invaded and occupied,
> > despite the event being Not Memorable,
>
> Who writes the history books?

FYA, new history came to light, quite recently,
in the form of a journal page by Constantijn Huygens Jr.
(only the heavily edited printed version was known)
This find makes it likely that Huygens kept a detailed journal
during his lifetme. (which has been lost)

Anyway, the page is dated to about a year before the conquest.
Huygens writes about meeting three English gentlemen,
while visiting Williamandmary on 'Het Loo', Apeldoorn.
They express the hope that they will soon be able to greet
Williamandmary 'in a different role'.

It provides the first direct evidence that the plotting
of William's invasion had been ongoing long in advance.

> Had it failed, the story would have a quite different tone.

Yes, hang the traitors,

Jan

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 14/03/2024 à 12:47, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> >
> > OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she [the Queen] felt that the
> > British monarchy is somehow superior to the others.
>
> Isn't our 'British' monarchy actually German?
>
> "The House of Windsor came into being in 1917, when the name was adopted
> as the British Royal Family's official name by a proclamation of King
> George V, replacing the historic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. It remains
> the family name of the current Royal Family" -
> <https://www.royal.uk/house-windsor>

In that respect the Dutch have a far better monarchy.
(that is, far more German)
Those German counts didn't have any real connection with Orange.
William the Taciturn inherited the Orange title from a nephew
who had married a princess of Orange.
(and died soon thereafter without issue)

> Googling a bit, opinions vary. The Daily Telegraph said last year that
> it was "sehr" German, that the King's bloodline is half German (article
> behind a paywall); other commentators dispute it.

But, en revanche, the Kaiser was a grandson of Victoria,

Jan

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/03/2024 13:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> > Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2024-03-13 21:31:13 +0000, occam said:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I was re-watching The Crown (Netflix series). In one scene, the
> >> >>> Queen is having a dialogue with her younger self, regarding her
> >> >>> early abdication in favour of Charles.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> When the younger self points at The Netherlands and Luxembourg as
> >> >>> successful examples of early abdications, the older self replies
> >> >>> "But Netherlands and Luxembourg are bicycle monarchies".
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have never seen the Grand Duke on a bicycle in my 25 years here.
> >> >>> However, when I do, I'll make a point of shouting "Where's the
> >> >>> horse, Your Highness?"
> >> >>
> >> >> It sounds more like something the scriptwriter invented than
> >> >> anything the Queen might have said.
> >> >
> >> > That's quite possible.
> >> > OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she felt that the British
> >> > monarchy is somehow superior to the others.
> >> >
> >>
> >> When I was taking the mandatory course on Luxembourg History and Culture
> >> - on my journey to acquiring LU citizenship - the issue of the status
> >> the Grand Duke came up.
> >>
> >> I asked "Where does a Grand Duke stand in the hierarchy of European
> >> Royals"?
> >>
> >> (Wiki says)
> >>
> >> Emperor > King/Queen > Grand Duke > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquess >
> >> Earl > Viscount etc.
> >>
> >> My lecturer (a lawyer) was insistent that 'our' Grand Duke was of equal
> >> status as the Queen of GB. When I expressed scepticism, she said: "Watch
> >> a video of the Queen and Grand Duke on horseback parade. You will see
> >> that they ride side-by-side, and not Queen first followed by the Grand
> >> Duke".
> >>
> >> Those horses have a lot of say in human matters. (I doubt there is a
> >> photo of them riding bicycles together, though.)
> >
> > You were right, he is wrong.
> > That -grand- duke is just a creation of the English and the Prussians
> > created out of thin air to get the Prince of Orange to accept that title
> > with a little as posble in the way of territorial concessions
> > by the Prussians.
> >
> > Whatever he may be, he is -by creation- an underling
> > of the Kings of England/Britain and the Kings of Prussia.
> >
> > By feudal logic you cannot possibly be the equal
> > of the overlord who created you to begin with,
>
> But feudal logic is futile logic.

Futile logic may get you killed,

Jan

On 2024-03-15 01:02, Hibou wrote:
> Le 14/03/2024 à 12:47, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>>
>> OTOH I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she [the Queen] felt that
>> the British
>> monarchy is somehow superior to the others.
>
> Isn't our 'British' monarchy actually German?
>
> "The House of Windsor came into being in 1917, when the name was adopted
> as the British Royal Family's official name by a proclamation of King
> George V, replacing the historic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. It remains
> the family name of the current Royal Family" -
> <https://www.royal.uk/house-windsor>
>
> Googling a bit, opinions vary. The Daily Telegraph said last year that
> it was "sehr" German, that the King's bloodline is half German (article
> behind a paywall); other commentators dispute it.
>
>
> I understand the greatest problem for people changing their name by deed
> poll is persuading banks and the like to accept the change. I imagine
> George V had less trouble with that.
>
Reminiscent of the time that Bill Gates was stopped by the police, at a
roadblock looking for impaired drivers, I think. He was given a ticket
for not having insurance, but let off because the judge decided that he
could easily pay any damages as the result of an accident.

--
"There's at least one flying insect in every outhouse," Tom said aloofly.

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
[-]
> >> Most "Emperors" are just national monarchs with that as an addendum or
> >> made up by themselves (Victoria Empress of India, Emperor Napoleon
> >> I). See also Idi Amin, Conqueror of the British Empire (and King of
> >> Scotland).
> >>
> >> Julius Caesar was "dictator" & his successors were "princeps
> >> civitatis" (first citizen) then "imperator" (commander, hence
> >> "emperor") because the Romans were trying to pretend that they still
> >> had a republic without a king.
> >
> > Not just 'the Romans' Augustus himself very much insisted
> > on being just a 'first citizen'.
> > He had seen what may happen to a 'dictator for life',
>
> Well, he may have tried, but that didn't keep it from happening again.

Again, sure enough. None in the family ever died of natural causes.
Even Augustus himself may have been poisoned, (by his wife)
but there are just suspicions of that, no good proof.
Claudius, in "I Claudius" makes plot points out of it,

Jan