On 2024-03-15 07:22, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-03-15, charles wrote:
>
>> In article <l5ioetFdln7U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15 10:12:24 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>
>>>> On 2024-03-14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14-Mar-24 13:53, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 10:47:53 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 00:30:16 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From a newsletter:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <quote> The driver at the centre of the horror NSW Hunter Valley
>>>>>>>>>> bus crash has broken his silence. Outside Newcastle court, Brett
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Button said he thought about the night the tragedy
>>>>>>>>>> unfolded on June 11 last year every hour of every day, after
>>>>>>>>>> coming face-to-face with family members of those that died for
>>>>>>>>>> the first time. </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The author is probably now wishing he had proof-read that last
>>>>>>>>>> sentence more carefully.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm more thrown by the first sentence. Does "horror" belong where
>>>>>>>>> it is?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's weird, I agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it depends on how local the newsletter is. I'd be surprised
>>>>>> if there weren't other "Hunter Valley"s in the world, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> The author didn't feel the need to specify in which "Newcastle" the
>>>>> case was being heard. There may be more Newcastles than Hunter
>>>>> Valleys (though I feel disinclined to do the research).
>>>>
>>>> Without looking it up, I can think of 3 Newcastles (NSW, on Tyne, under
>>>> Lyme). This is the first Hunter Valley I've heard of but it sounds like
>>>> a likely place name.
>>
>>> I have read that postal sorters complain that Newcastle-under-Lyme
>>> people just write "Newcastle" on enveopes, whereas people from the much
>>> larger and better known Newcastle-upon-Tyne usually write
>>> ”Newcastle-upon-Tyne".
>
> The postcode would fix that: NE(various numbers) vs ST5.
>
>
>> In Wales, there's Newcastle Emlyn - just to confuse the issue.
>
> SA38
>

At least it isn't likely to be confused with Newcastle, Ontario

--
"I am just average," said Tom, meanly.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:46:00 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-15 07:22, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15, charles wrote:
>>
>>> In article <l5ioetFdln7U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15 10:12:24 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Mar-24 13:53, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 10:47:53 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 00:30:16 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From a newsletter:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <quote> The driver at the centre of the horror NSW Hunter Valley
>>>>>>>>>>> bus crash has broken his silence. Outside Newcastle court, Brett
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Button said he thought about the night the tragedy
>>>>>>>>>>> unfolded on June 11 last year every hour of every day, after
>>>>>>>>>>> coming face-to-face with family members of those that died for
>>>>>>>>>>> the first time. </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The author is probably now wishing he had proof-read that last
>>>>>>>>>>> sentence more carefully.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm more thrown by the first sentence. Does "horror" belong where
>>>>>>>>>> it is?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's weird, I agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>>>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>>>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>>>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on how local the newsletter is. I'd be surprised
>>>>>>> if there weren't other "Hunter Valley"s in the world, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The author didn't feel the need to specify in which "Newcastle" the
>>>>>> case was being heard. There may be more Newcastles than Hunter
>>>>>> Valleys (though I feel disinclined to do the research).
>>>>>
>>>>> Without looking it up, I can think of 3 Newcastles (NSW, on Tyne, under
>>>>> Lyme). This is the first Hunter Valley I've heard of but it sounds like
>>>>> a likely place name.
>>>
>>>> I have read that postal sorters complain that Newcastle-under-Lyme
>>>> people just write "Newcastle" on enveopes, whereas people from the much
>>>> larger and better known Newcastle-upon-Tyne usually write
>>>> ?Newcastle-upon-Tyne".
>>
>> The postcode would fix that: NE(various numbers) vs ST5.
>>
>>
>>> In Wales, there's Newcastle Emlyn - just to confuse the issue.
>>
>> SA38
>>
>
>At least it isn't likely to be confused with Newcastle, Ontario

Or Newcastle, Indiana. Some know that Indiana is a "basketball
state". The largest high school gymnasium (seats 9,325) in the world
is in New Castle, as well as the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame.

It is not unusual for that gym to be completely filled with spectators
when a game is being played there.

The Maxwell automobile was made in New Castle. While the Maxwell was
never a major automobile brand, many Americans of a certain age or
older know the Maxwell as the car Jack Benny drove in his radio show.

On 2024-03-15 18:46:00 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2024-03-15 07:22, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15, charles wrote:
>>
>>> In article <l5ioetFdln7U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15 10:12:24 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Mar-24 13:53, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 10:47:53 +0000, Adam Funk said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 00:30:16 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From a newsletter:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <quote> The driver at the centre of the horror NSW Hunter Valley
>>>>>>>>>>> bus crash has broken his silence. Outside Newcastle court, Brett
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Button said he thought about the night the tragedy
>>>>>>>>>>> unfolded on June 11 last year every hour of every day, after
>>>>>>>>>>> coming face-to-face with family members of those that died for
>>>>>>>>>>> the first time. </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The author is probably now wishing he had proof-read that last
>>>>>>>>>>> sentence more carefully.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm more thrown by the first sentence. Does "horror" belong where
>>>>>>>>>> it is?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's weird, I agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>>>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>>>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>>>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on how local the newsletter is. I'd be surprised
>>>>>>> if there weren't other "Hunter Valley"s in the world, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The author didn't feel the need to specify in which "Newcastle" the
>>>>>> case was being heard. There may be more Newcastles than Hunter
>>>>>> Valleys (though I feel disinclined to do the research).
>>>>>
>>>>> Without looking it up, I can think of 3 Newcastles (NSW, on Tyne, under
>>>>> Lyme). This is the first Hunter Valley I've heard of but it sounds like
>>>>> a likely place name.
>>>
>>>> I have read that postal sorters complain that Newcastle-under-Lyme
>>>> people just write "Newcastle" on enveopes, whereas people from the much
>>>> larger and better known Newcastle-upon-Tyne usually write
>>>> ”Newcastle-upon-Tyne".
>>
>> The postcode would fix that: NE(various numbers) vs ST5.
>>
>>
>>> In Wales, there's Newcastle Emlyn - just to confuse the issue.
>>
>> SA38
>>
>
> At least it isn't likely to be confused with Newcastle, Ontario

Or the Pope's Newcastle in the south of France.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

[ ...]
>>>>
>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>
> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle people
> know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably don't. Most of
> the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state. They've heard of
> Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.

Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-03-16 08:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> [ ...]
>>>>>
>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>
>> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle people
>> know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably don't. Most of
>> the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state. They've heard of
>> Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.
>
> Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
> didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
> husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
> engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
> live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
> Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
> occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.
>

That threw me, until I Googled "toronto australia".

--
All social problems have a technical solution.
That solution may or may not be socially acceptable.

On 2024-03-16 17:14:56 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2024-03-16 08:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>
>>> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>> [ ...]
>>>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>
>>> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle people
>>> know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably don't. Most of
>>> the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state. They've heard of
>>> Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.
>>
>> Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
>> didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
>> husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
>> engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
>> live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
>> Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
>> occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.
>>
>
> That threw me, until I Googled "toronto australia".

I thought it might! To save everyone the trouble of Googling it; it's a
suburb of Newcastle on Lake Macquarie.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 17/03/24 04:14, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2024-03-16 08:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>
>>> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>> [ ...]
>>>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>
>>> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle people
>>> know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably don't. Most of
>>> the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state. They've heard of
>>> Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.
>>
>> Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
>> didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
>> husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
>> engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
>> live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
>> Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
>> occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.
>
> That threw me, until I Googled "toronto australia".

Pronounced Tronno.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 2024-03-16 17:14, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/03/24 04:14, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16 08:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>>
>>>> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>
>>> [ ...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers be
>>>>> expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales? Even
>>>>> I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps I'm
>>>>> cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several years.
>>>>
>>>> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle people
>>>> know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably don't. Most of
>>>> the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state. They've heard of
>>>> Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.
>>>
>>> Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
>>> didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
>>> husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
>>> engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
>>> live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
>>> Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
>>> occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.
>>
>> That threw me, until I Googled "toronto australia".
>
> Pronounced Tronno.
>

Pretty much the same here, though it's moore like "Tronna", when they
are using the name, as opposed to using 'the GTA' (Greater Toronto Area).

--
I just sold my homing pigeon on eBay for the fifteenth time.

On 17/03/24 01:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-14 22:44:05 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>> On 14/03/24 22:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> [ ...]
>>>>>
>>> Incidentally, if this is a local newsletter cannot its readers
>>> be expected to know that the Hunter Valley is in New South Wales?
>>> Even I, on the other side of the world, know that, though perhaps
>>> I'm cheating because my sister lived in Muswellbrook for several
>>> years.
>>
>> The phrasing is typical for a Sydney-based reporter. Newcastle
>> people know where Muswellbrook is, but Sydney people probably
>> don't. Most of the time they act as if Sydney is the entire state.
>> They've heard of Hunter Valley wines, but that's about it.
>
> Something that has just occurred to me (though I'm surprised that I
> didn't think of it before). When my sister was in Muswellbrook her
> husband, John Willis, worked in a power station in that region as an
> engineer. After a few years in England they returned to Australia to
> live in Toronto, and he worked as an engineer in a power station in
> Newcastle. Given your own background in engineering in Newastle it
> occurs to me that you may have encountered one another.

I might well have met him, but the name doesn't ring a bell. Based in
Toronto, he probably worked at a power station further down the lake.
Eraring, perhaps.

When I first came to Newcastle I considered living in Toronto. I could
have rented a house that was right on the lake, quite cheaply. At the
time, though, a half-hour commute sounded excessive.

With rising traffic levels, that commute time doesn't seem extreme any more.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW