Would you call the event in Russia an election?

It's being discussed in the German language group.

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Bertel, Denmark

On 17/03/2024 14:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>

Special Voting Operation

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Phil B

Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>

No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.

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Phil wrote:

>> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>>
>> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>>
>
> Special Voting Operation

Nice!

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Bertel, Denmark

El Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:00:44 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:

> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.

Yeah, I just saw that.

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On 2024-03-17 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>
Definitely not!

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In article <ut6t2c$3i8ka$1@dont-email.me>,
Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>Would you call the event in Russia an election?

Political scientists describe this sort of system of government as
"competitive authoritarianism" but I'm not sure if they have a
particular term of art for sham elections. A feature of many such
states is that the ruling party is genuinely popular and doesn't
actually need to cheat to win elections, but there are strong
incentives for local officials who actually count the ballots to fake
the results anyway, because the flow of power is actually top-down
rather than bottom-up.

-GAWollman

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On 18/03/24 01:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.

I believe there's more than one candidate. Putin doesn't poison all of
his opponents, only the ones with a chance of defeating him.

--
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Newcastle, NSW

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:06:17 -0000 (UTC),
wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <ut6t2c$3i8ka$1@dont-email.me>,
>Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
>Political scientists describe this sort of system of government as
>"competitive authoritarianism" but I'm not sure if they have a
>particular term of art for sham elections. A feature of many such
>states is that the ruling party is genuinely popular and doesn't
>actually need to cheat to win elections, but there are strong
>incentives for local officials who actually count the ballots to fake
>the results anyway, because the flow of power is actually top-down
>rather than bottom-up.
>
>-GAWollman

I recall reading that in the USSR, the Communist Party
provided the candidate for any office, and he could be
rejected if there were sufficient "no" votes. I don't
recall if there could be or would be more than one candidate
offered. The Party would then offer someone else.

I've read that in the 2016 election, more people decided based
on 'against' than 'for'; the 'hate both' vote contained most of
the 'undecided' people; they broke strongly for Trump.

In 2020, Biden had a bigger lead, and the 'hate both' vote
broke somewhat against Trump.

Trump remains the bully, liar and cheat that he was widely
seen as, even by Republicans, before 2017. Therefore,
his chance of winning depends on driving up the negatives
on Biden - well, they've done that - and keeping them high.

In 2016, in the similar situation, Republicans had the Benghazi
hearings going, which were unfair and disingenuous, but
stopped short of outright lies. it was Trump alone who lied,
who spread disinformation to the mainstream media, though
'social media' was full of much crap. Biden seems to have been
a tougher target in the Covid year of 2020 (I don't know why).

Disinformation has already been rampant from Republicans,
who now have declared war on mainstream median with
their 'fact-checkers' and insistence on consistency. And they
fight against fact-checking on social media.

Trump glibly announces that gasoline is $8 per gallon (or $6)
(compared to, under $4). The economy is in the best shape
in years by unemployment, employment, wage gains, growth,
and stock market; and inflation is better than in the rest of the
Western world, not much above the 2% target at 3%; but
you won't hear than from the Fox entertainers or most
Republican politicians. Disinformation in the echo chamber.

--
Rich Ulrich

Le 17/03/2024 à 14:20, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
> Phil wrote:
>
>>> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>>>
>>> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>>
>> Special Voting Operation
>
> Nice!

+1

Do Russians vote by putting a Z on the ballot paper?

Peter Moylan wrote:

>> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>>
>> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>
> I believe there's more than one candidate. Putin doesn't poison all of
> his opponents, only the ones with a chance of defeating him.

Yes, there were three others. But I don't call them real candidates.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Den 17-03-2024 kl. 15:00 skrev Bertel Lund Hansen:
> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>
> It's being discussed in the German language group.

"Presidential ritual" has been used on more than one occasion.

/Anders, Denmark

Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

> Would you call the event in Russia an election?

An affirmation of a confirmation by the super stratum.
bt

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>>
>> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>
> No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.

Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
stamping:
https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m

Phil
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Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:

> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
> > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
> >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
> >>
> >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
> >
> > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
>
> Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
> stamping:
> <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
>
> Phil

"Instance has been rate limited.
Use another instance or try again later."

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10:51 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>
> > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
> > > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
> > >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
> > >>
> > >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
> > >
> > > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
> >
> > Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
> > stamping:
> > <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
> >
> > Phil
>
> "Instance has been rate limited.
> Use another instance or try again later."
>
Same here; I guess it's about he opposition "disappearing".

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Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10:51 +0000
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>>
>> > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
>> > > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>> > >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>> > >>
>> > >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>> > >
>> > > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
>> >
>> > Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
>> > stamping:
>> > <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
>> >
>> > Phil
>>
>> "Instance has been rate limited.
>> Use another instance or try again later."
>>
> Same here; I guess it's about he opposition "disappearing".

A very popular politician can make that happen.
There has never been such a popular politician in the West, save Adolf Hitler at his peak in peacetime Germany.
That way, it is possible to compare Putin with Hitler.
bt

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10:51 +0000
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
> >
> > > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
> > > > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
> > > >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
> > > >>
> > > >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
> > > >
> > > > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
> > >
> > > Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than
> > > just rubber stamping:
> > > <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
> > >
> > > Phil
> >
> > "Instance has been rate limited.
> > Use another instance or try again later."
> >
> Same here; I guess it's about he opposition "disappearing".

To be fair, that URL now works for me.

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On 22-Mar-24 0:53, bertitaylor wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10:51 +0000
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
>>> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
>>> > > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>> > >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>>> > >> > >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>>> > >
>>> > > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
>>> > > Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
>>> > stamping:
>>> >
>>> <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
>>> > > Phil
>>>
>>> "Instance has been rate limited. Use another instance or try again
>>> later."
>>>
>> Same here; I guess it's about he opposition "disappearing".
>
> A very popular politician can make that happen.
> There has never been such a popular politician in the West, save Adolf
> Hitler at his peak in peacetime Germany.
> That way, it is possible to compare Putin with Hitler. bt

Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he was
the most beloved leader ever.

--
Sam Plusnet

* Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
> was the most beloved leader ever.

He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.

In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
> > Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
> > was the most beloved leader ever.

> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
> that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
> came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
> touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.

Like the invasion of Kuwait?

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On 23-Mar-24 17:00, charles wrote:
> In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
>> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
>>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
>>> was the most beloved leader ever.
>
>> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
>> that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
>> came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
>> touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
>
> Like the invasion of Kuwait?

What invasion? Just Special Confiscatory Operation.

--
Sam Plusnet

charles explained :
> In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
>> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
>>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
>>> was the most beloved leader ever.
>
>> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
>> that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
>> came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
>> touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
>
> Like the invasion of Kuwait?

Well, he can be extremely popular at home because his goals are to say,
"fuck off, West, this is my country". And he apparently misread what
the West was signalling about his plans ahead of time.

/dps

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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10:51 +0000
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>> > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
>> > > Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>> > >> Would you call the event in Russia an election?
>> > >>
>> > >> It's being discussed in the German language group.
>> > >
>> > > No, it's a sham, the rubber-stamping of a foregone conclusion.
>> >
>> > Oh, come on, there's way more effort put into it than just rubber
>> > stamping:
>> > <https://nitter.privacydev.net/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m>
>>
>> "Instance has been rate limited.
>> Use another instance or try again later."
>
> Same here; I guess it's about he opposition "disappearing".

Apologies, this should work instead:
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1770235829853761886#m

But the TL;DDL is: security cam footage of a Russkie polling station,
comically suspicious-looking box stuffing aplenty, accompanied by
shittyflute.

Phil
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Madhu <enometh@meer.net> writes:
> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
>> was the most beloved leader ever.
>
> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
> that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
> came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
> touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.

Technically, "Indians loved him" isn't a great supporting argument when
discussing whether Iraqis loved him.

From the Iraqis I knew, offspring of those in a state of diaspora after
the coup, I didn't get any pro-Saddam sentiments at all.

Phil
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gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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