Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 23-Mar-24 17:00, charles wrote:
> > In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
> > Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> >> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
> >> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
> >>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
> >>> was the most beloved leader ever.
> >
> >> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were stunned
> >> that the West did not like him or would want to depose him, when they
> >> came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo chamber are out of
> >> touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
> >
> > Like the invasion of Kuwait?
>
> What invasion? Just Special Confiscatory Operation.

What confiscation? There was no need for any.
Kuwait had always been part of Iraq
until imperialist/colonialist agressors
cut it off from where it naturally belonged.

So just reunited,

Jan

In article <1qqw8s8.ek9l4ohxuc8uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> > On 23-Mar-24 17:00, charles wrote:
> > > In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
> > > Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> > >> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
> > >> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
> > >>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
> > >>> was the most beloved leader ever.
> > >
> > >> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were
> > >> stunned that the West did not like him or would want to depose him,
> > >> when they came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo
> > >> chamber are out of touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
> > >
> > > Like the invasion of Kuwait?
> >
> > What invasion? Just Special Confiscatory Operation.

> What confiscation? There was no need for any.
> Kuwait had always been part of Iraq

Always? Until the end of WW1 it and Iraq had been part of the Turkish
(Ottoman) Empire, Iraq as a defined country was created in 1920 along with
Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and TransJordan; Kuwait had already been in
existance since 1914.

> until imperialist/colonialist agressors
> cut it off from where it naturally belonged.

These imperialist/colonialist aggressors never had any palce in the
Netherlands - did they? ISTR a whole load of the East Indies being dutch.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> In article <1qqw8s8.ek9l4ohxuc8uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 23-Mar-24 17:00, charles wrote:
> > > > In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
> > > > Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> > > >> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
> > > >> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
> > > >>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
> > > >>> was the most beloved leader ever.
> > > >
> > > >> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were
> > > >> stunned that the West did not like him or would want to depose him,
> > > >> when they came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo
> > > >> chamber are out of touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
> > > >
> > > > Like the invasion of Kuwait?
> > >
> > > What invasion? Just Special Confiscatory Operation.
>
> > What confiscation? There was no need for any.
> > Kuwait had always been part of Iraq
>
> Always? Until the end of WW1 it and Iraq had been part of the Turkish
> (Ottoman) Empire, Iraq as a defined country was created in 1920 along with
> Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and TransJordan; Kuwait had already been in
> existance since 1914.

Kuwait was already a British protectorate before 1914.
(merely a few tiny gunboats involved, not realy worth talking about)
Those Turks had also moved in only shortly before that.
And you can blame the Portugese if you go further back.
Before that it was just a part of Mesopotamia.

> > until imperialist/colonialist agressors
> > cut it off from where it naturally belonged.
>
> These imperialist/colonialist aggressors never had any palce in the
> Netherlands - did they? ISTR a whole load of the East Indies being dutch.

The Dutch (and the English for a while) did them a great service:
they unified the country and set up a central government.
Just like the British did for India.

They may not be grateful for it, but they are quite nasty
to anyone in any part who wants some regional independence,

Jan

On 26-Mar-24 22:15, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <1qqw8s8.ek9l4ohxuc8uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
>> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 23-Mar-24 17:00, charles wrote:
>>>>> In article <m38r299de4.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net>,
>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>> * Sam Plusnet <KglLN.76876$bml7.30785 @fx10.ams1> :
>>>>>> Wrote on Fri, 22 Mar 2024 19:48:57 +0000:
>>>>>>> Saddam Hussein managed to get 99% (IIRC) in an election. Clearly he
>>>>>>> was the most beloved leader ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>> He really was. The indian immigrant labour force in Iraq were
>>>>>> stunned that the West did not like him or would want to depose him,
>>>>>> when they came back. the perceptions of the West in the echo
>>>>>> chamber are out of touch of the reality, at least at the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like the invasion of Kuwait?
>>>>
>>>> What invasion? Just Special Confiscatory Operation.
>>
>>> What confiscation? There was no need for any.
>>> Kuwait had always been part of Iraq
>>
>> Always? Until the end of WW1 it and Iraq had been part of the Turkish
>> (Ottoman) Empire, Iraq as a defined country was created in 1920 along with
>> Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and TransJordan; Kuwait had already been in
>> existance since 1914.
>
> Kuwait was already a British protectorate before 1914.
> (merely a few tiny gunboats involved, not realy worth talking about)
> Those Turks had also moved in only shortly before that.
> And you can blame the Portugese if you go further back.
> Before that it was just a part of Mesopotamia.

It's time you forgave all those empires. After all...
To Ur is human.

--
Sam Plusnet