On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s.p. sup.
> > > > >
> > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > >
> > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > >
> > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > Honywood Evidences
> > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> >
> > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> This article actually starts some years earlier
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
>
> And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
>
> The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother

I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.

http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm

Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:

William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.

Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
Page 203
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology..s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s.p. sup.
> > > > > >
> > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > >
> > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > >
> > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > Honywood Evidences
> > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > >
> > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> >
> > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
>
> http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
>
> Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
>
> William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
>
> Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> Page 203
> chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
> Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.

I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.

On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 00:51:11 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s.p. sup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > > >
> > > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > > >
> > > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > > >
> > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > > Honywood Evidences
> > > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > > >
> > > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> > >
> > > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> > I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> > There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
> >
> > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
> >
> > Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
> >
> > William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> > All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
> >
> > Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> > Page 203
> > chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
> > Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.
> I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.
Yes I have been looking for a while now for that document using all possible surname spellings on the internet. I have also tried to find out more about the other family members given in tree B. I have never been able to find out much about Bennet's other daughter Joane. I don't know who she married..
Thanks for your time and interest.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:10:52 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 00:51:11 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s.p. sup.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > > > >
> > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > > > Honywood Evidences
> > > > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > > > >
> > > > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > > > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> > > >
> > > > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> > > I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> > > There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William.. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
> > >
> > > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
> > >
> > > Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
> > >
> > > William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> > > All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
> > >
> > > Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> > > Page 203
> > > chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
> > > Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.
> > I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.
> Yes I have been looking for a while now for that document using all possible surname spellings on the internet. I have also tried to find out more about the other family members given in tree B. I have never been able to find out much about Bennet's other daughter Joane. I don't know who she married.
> Thanks for your time and interest.
You might wish to consult a page that Ana Luppertz put together on the Dallingridge family. Her interest focused on the manor of Knelle in East Sussex and the families associated with it, amongst them the Lewknor family. She was a capable researcher. The documents she assembled put to rest, so far as I can see, for example, much of the received pedigree of the Auchers of Kent at this time. Her site is no longer extant on the web but can be found via the Wayback Machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190911020639/http://knightlyfamilies.com/dallingridge.htm

Her page is richly documented and will repay careful, slow reading. She charts the descent of the manor of Sheffield, which interests you, to the Lewknor family. So far as I can tell, glancing through her page again, the primary evidence she cites in depth does not reach as far as your Bennet. She appears to take later generations of the Lewknor family including Bennet from the articles in the Sussex Archaeological Collections which you yourself have noted. Yet her documents do unknot earlier generations of the Lewknor family and may resolve some of your questions.

Have you read through C1/330/38? There might well be reasons why children would not be included, or not include themselves, in suits over land.

Scott Swanson
sswanson@butler.edu

On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 06:04:31 UTC+2, sswa...@butler.edu wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:10:52 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 00:51:11 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s.p.. sup.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > > > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > > > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > > > > Honywood Evidences
> > > > > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > > > > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> > > > >
> > > > > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> > > > I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> > > > There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
> > > >
> > > > Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
> > > >
> > > > William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> > > > All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> > > > Page 203
> > > > chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6..pdf
> > > > Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.
> > > I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.
> > Yes I have been looking for a while now for that document using all possible surname spellings on the internet. I have also tried to find out more about the other family members given in tree B. I have never been able to find out much about Bennet's other daughter Joane. I don't know who she married.
> > Thanks for your time and interest.
> You might wish to consult a page that Ana Luppertz put together on the Dallingridge family. Her interest focused on the manor of Knelle in East Sussex and the families associated with it, amongst them the Lewknor family. She was a capable researcher. The documents she assembled put to rest, so far as I can see, for example, much of the received pedigree of the Auchers of Kent at this time. Her site is no longer extant on the web but can be found via the Wayback Machine:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20190911020639/http://knightlyfamilies.com/dallingridge.htm
>
> Her page is richly documented and will repay careful, slow reading. She charts the descent of the manor of Sheffield, which interests you, to the Lewknor family. So far as I can tell, glancing through her page again, the primary evidence she cites in depth does not reach as far as your Bennet. She appears to take later generations of the Lewknor family including Bennet from the articles in the Sussex Archaeological Collections which you yourself have noted. Yet her documents do unknot earlier generations of the Lewknor family and may resolve some of your questions.
>
> Have you read through C1/330/38? There might well be reasons why children would not be included, or not include themselves, in suits over land.
>
> Scott Swanson
> sswa...@butler.edu
Hi Scott,

Thanks very much for the link to Ana Luppertz's page. I have not seen this before, There is loads of information here.

I have read the C1/380/38 doc on AALT. It is short (2 pages, images 65 & 66) but difficult to read as the document is damaged. I couldn't see any mention of Bennett.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 06:04:31 UTC+2, sswa...@butler.edu wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:10:52 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 00:51:11 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d.s..p. sup.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > > > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > > > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > > > > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > > > > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > > > > > Honywood Evidences
> > > > > > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > > > > > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> > > > > I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> > > > > There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
> > > > >
> > > > > William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> > > > > All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> > > > > Page 203
> > > > > chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
> > > > > Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.
> > > > I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.
> > > Yes I have been looking for a while now for that document using all possible surname spellings on the internet. I have also tried to find out more about the other family members given in tree B. I have never been able to find out much about Bennet's other daughter Joane. I don't know who she married.
> > > Thanks for your time and interest.
> > You might wish to consult a page that Ana Luppertz put together on the Dallingridge family. Her interest focused on the manor of Knelle in East Sussex and the families associated with it, amongst them the Lewknor family. She was a capable researcher. The documents she assembled put to rest, so far as I can see, for example, much of the received pedigree of the Auchers of Kent at this time. Her site is no longer extant on the web but can be found via the Wayback Machine:
> >
> > https://web.archive.org/web/20190911020639/http://knightlyfamilies.com/dallingridge.htm
> >
> > Her page is richly documented and will repay careful, slow reading. She charts the descent of the manor of Sheffield, which interests you, to the Lewknor family. So far as I can tell, glancing through her page again, the primary evidence she cites in depth does not reach as far as your Bennet. She appears to take later generations of the Lewknor family including Bennet from the articles in the Sussex Archaeological Collections which you yourself have noted. Yet her documents do unknot earlier generations of the Lewknor family and may resolve some of your questions.
> >
> > Have you read through C1/330/38? There might well be reasons why children would not be included, or not include themselves, in suits over land.
> >
> > Scott Swanson
> > sswa...@butler.edu
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thanks very much for the link to Ana Luppertz's page. I have not seen this before, There is loads of information here.
>
> I have read the C1/380/38 doc on AALT. It is short (2 pages, images 65 & 66) but difficult to read as the document is damaged. I couldn't see any mention of Bennett.
I did look at C1/330/38. It is, as you say, hard to read except for the memorandum. It appears, if I have been able to read it aright, that Richard Lewknor’s last will and testament enfoeffed to uses feoffees to carry out a chain of provisions amongst certain named children. The chancery suit focuses on that provision alone, and, were Bennett not part of the chain of provisions, she had no reason to be part of the suit. There might have been other provisions in the will in her behalf, or she might have received her portion at the time of her marriage. We just don’t know. In any case, her absence from the suit does not prove or suggest that she was not Richard’s daughter, just that she was not caught up in that particular provision of Richard’s will. (Neither, of course, does this explanation, if it be right, proves that she was his daughter.) C1/330/39 [image 67] appears to be the response of the feoffees, John Lewknor, clerk, John [Apester], and Thomas Thacher. Again, if I have read aright, they claim that Richard never enfeoffed them. It’s typical of these suits that every party accused every other party of lying.

On Thursday, 24 August 2023 at 05:29:02 UTC+2, sswa...@butler.edu wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 06:04:31 UTC+2, sswa...@butler.edu wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:10:52 AM UTC-4, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 00:51:11 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 23:04:09 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:55:14 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-7, Gillian Mckenna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 20 August 2023 at 19:45:57 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Bargham Manor descended through the Tregoz
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp143-159
> > > > > > > > > > > See IPM of Joan late the wife of Edward St John
> > > > > > > > > > > Writ 22 Nov 10R2
> > > > > > > > > > > Edward, son of her son Richard, and aged 8 is her heir
> > > > > > > > > > > she held Bargham Manor
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/6/66/Tregoz-9.jpg
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In this chart her heir, this Edward is said to have d..s.p. sup.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This Edward died 1400 s.p. his heir was his uncle John then "Aet 30" the fifth son of Sir Henry Tregoz and Joan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This John only held his properties a short time, himself dying 1405 also s.p.
> > > > > > > > > When his heir is found to be Thomas Lewknor son of Roger son of Joan daughter of Margaret (Tregoz) D'Oyley, the sister of his father
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This then explains how Bargham Manor came to the Lewknors
> > > > > > > > > and ended up in the hands of Richard Lewknor at his 1503 death
> > > > > > > > On the flip side we have an article in Top. et Gen. V2 1853 which states that the lands of Bennet were divided by her [distant] heirs in 1540
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=EKhWAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q=bennett%20honywood%20moyle&f=false
> > > > > > > > Top.and.Gen. V2, 1853, pg 269
> > > > > > > > Honywood Evidences
> > > > > > > > "dead by 7 Oct 31H8 (1539-40) when her heirs divided her lands"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If that document could be found, we could know what her lands actually were at that time
> > > > > > > This article actually starts some years earlier
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/CBwIAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA569&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the accounts *appear* to be copied from a folio written by Robert /Honywood/ of Royton, co Kent 1545-1627
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The person in question Benedicta "Bennet" Lewknor would be his great-grandmother
> > > > > > I have tried to find the sources behind the Top & Gen document but have not had any success.
> > > > > > There are errors in the tree B. Alice Barnes (Bennet's daughter) married firstly Richard Woodward (who was a widower) and they had a son William. This William Woodward and wife Alice had two children Richard Woodward & Joane Woodward. This information comes from the will of Richard Woodward written 21 February 1516 & proved 9 February 1517, the husband of Alice Barnes. Therefore there is a generation missing from tree B and Joane Woodward is not mentioned. Maybe Joane died young, however, some online trees have her married to Robert Thurston of Challock. I can find no sources for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk52/page%2009.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bennet inherited lands/properties from her husbands:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Barnes of Wye in his will dated 27 Nov 1479 & proved 18 Dec 1479. (Tyler Kent records, Ancestry)
> > > > > > All lands & tenements for life in Wye and Eastbridge. All lands & tenements in Aldington until daughter Alice reaches 20 yrs. Woods in Heleghergrove bought from John Rose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas Twysden of Great Chart written 12 Oct 15OO & proved 18 Jan 1500/1
> > > > > > Page 203
> > > > > > chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://kentarchaeology.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/files/archcant/1860%203%20Miscellanea_6.pdf
> > > > > > Lands and woods in Rokyng, all lands & tenements and Buxforde Melle situated in Great Chart. Lands & tenements in Shadokys-Herst & Kyngissnorth.
> > > > > I think until we find the document where Bennet's lands are divided among her heirs, we cannot know what lands she held at her own death.
> > > > Yes I have been looking for a while now for that document using all possible surname spellings on the internet. I have also tried to find out more about the other family members given in tree B. I have never been able to find out much about Bennet's other daughter Joane. I don't know who she married.
> > > > Thanks for your time and interest.
> > > You might wish to consult a page that Ana Luppertz put together on the Dallingridge family. Her interest focused on the manor of Knelle in East Sussex and the families associated with it, amongst them the Lewknor family.. She was a capable researcher. The documents she assembled put to rest, so far as I can see, for example, much of the received pedigree of the Auchers of Kent at this time. Her site is no longer extant on the web but can be found via the Wayback Machine:
> > >
> > > https://web.archive.org/web/20190911020639/http://knightlyfamilies.com/dallingridge.htm
> > >
> > > Her page is richly documented and will repay careful, slow reading. She charts the descent of the manor of Sheffield, which interests you, to the Lewknor family. So far as I can tell, glancing through her page again, the primary evidence she cites in depth does not reach as far as your Bennet. She appears to take later generations of the Lewknor family including Bennet from the articles in the Sussex Archaeological Collections which you yourself have noted. Yet her documents do unknot earlier generations of the Lewknor family and may resolve some of your questions.
> > >
> > > Have you read through C1/330/38? There might well be reasons why children would not be included, or not include themselves, in suits over land.
> > >
> > > Scott Swanson
> > > sswa...@butler.edu
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Thanks very much for the link to Ana Luppertz's page. I have not seen this before, There is loads of information here.
> >
> > I have read the C1/380/38 doc on AALT. It is short (2 pages, images 65 & 66) but difficult to read as the document is damaged. I couldn't see any mention of Bennett.
> I did look at C1/330/38. It is, as you say, hard to read except for the memorandum. It appears, if I have been able to read it aright, that Richard Lewknor’s last will and testament enfoeffed to uses feoffees to carry out a chain of provisions amongst certain named children. The chancery suit focuses on that provision alone, and, were Bennett not part of the chain of provisions, she had no reason to be part of the suit. There might have been other provisions in the will in her behalf, or she might have received her portion at the time of her marriage. We just don’t know. In any case, her absence from the suit does not prove or suggest that she was not Richard’s daughter, just that she was not caught up in that particular provision of Richard’s will. (Neither, of course, does this explanation, if it be right, proves that she was his daughter.) C1/330/39 [image 67] appears to be the response of the feoffees, John Lewknor, clerk, John [Apester], and Thomas Thacher. Again, if I have read aright, they claim that Richard never enfeoffed them. It’s typical of these suits that every party accused every other party of lying.