I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.

I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.

Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.

Betty

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
>
> I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
>
> Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
>
> Betty

Who exactly is Henry de Umfraville? I've tried to find this name a variety of ways and came up short. How did you happen to land on him, for a question two centuries before his death?

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
>
> I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
>
> Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
>
> Betty

There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> >
> > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> >
> > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Betty
> There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > >
> > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > >
> > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > >
> > > Betty
> > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles

I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.

In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > >
> > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > Betty
> > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
>
> In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].

I'm not sure we can say about the same time as this
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Devon_Feet_of_Fines_Richard_I_Henry_III/dXYDAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamelin+deandon&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover

states this agreement was in 1256

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Betty
> > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee.. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> >
> > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> I'm not sure we can say about the same time as this
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Devon_Feet_of_Fines_Richard_I_Henry_III/dXYDAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamelin+deandon&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover
>
> states this agreement was in 1256

Yes, but the same Mabile Malet. In 1279, Mabel Malet held of John de Mohun of Dunster in Devon ¼ of a knight’s fee at Brydewyk, 1/9 of a knight’s fee at Byeworth and La Fenne, and one knight’s fee in Bratton, Northcumb, and Southcumb. IPM, vol. 2, p. 177. These places were held by Hameline de Deaudon in 1242-1243. Book of Fees, p. 756, 785, 792..

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 3:12:55 PM UTC-4, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betty
> > > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> > >
> > > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> > I'm not sure we can say about the same time as this
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Devon_Feet_of_Fines_Richard_I_Henry_III/dXYDAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamelin+deandon&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > states this agreement was in 1256
> Yes, but the same Mabile Malet. In 1279, Mabel Malet held of John de Mohun of Dunster in Devon ¼ of a knight’s fee at Brydewyk, 1/9 of a knight’s fee at Byeworth and La Fenne, and one knight’s fee in Bratton, Northcumb, and Southcumb. IPM, vol. 2, p. 177. These places were held by Hameline de Deaudon in 1242-1243. Book of Fees, p. 756, 785, 792.

I have been looking for a marriage between the Bonvilles and the St. Clairs of Stapleton by Martock, Somerset. In 1431, William Bonevile, knight, of Sete [Shute] Devonshire held the [St. Clair] manor of Stapulton, Somerset with appurtenances in the hundred of Mertok [Martok] by service of one knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 426. In 1360, Richard Seyncler and wife, Margaret, entered a fine with Richard de Lilleshull, parson of Uffeville and Robert de Wyghthull for the manor of Stapleton, 41 houses, a mill, 2 carrucates, 838 acres of land, 96 acres of meadow, wood, pasture, and rent in Werne, Andredseye, Coker, Budecle, Ichestoke, Chynook, Saltmor, Somerton, and Milton Faucomberge, which would be held by Richard Seyncler and Margaret and their heirs, and if they died without heirs to William de Bonevill and his heirs. Somerset Fines 1347-1399, p. 46; see also IPM, vol. 12, p. 233-234.
https://archive.org/details/pedesfiniumcomm00pleagoog/page/n66/mode/2up

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:12:55 PM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betty
> > > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> > >
> > > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> > I'm not sure we can say about the same time as this
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Devon_Feet_of_Fines_Richard_I_Henry_III/dXYDAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamelin+deandon&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > states this agreement was in 1256
> Yes, but the same Mabile Malet. In 1279, Mabel Malet held of John de Mohun of Dunster in Devon ¼ of a knight’s fee at Brydewyk, 1/9 of a knight’s fee at Byeworth and La Fenne, and one knight’s fee in Bratton, Northcumb, and Southcumb. IPM, vol. 2, p. 177. These places were held by Hameline de Deaudon in 1242-1243. Book of Fees, p. 756, 785, 792.

So Baldwin Malet was living in 1256 and dead by 1279
John Malet of Enmore occurs next
then another Baldwin living in 1303 as heir of John, Baldwin and wife Hawise both living in 1327
next John Malet who has a 1338 marriage covenant with Elizabeth Kingston she living in 1373
next another Baldwin living 1401, dead by 1426 with first wife Elizabeth Trivet

This line by the way is ancestral to both the current British royals, but I don't think this line itself is royal earlier

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 5:28:43 PM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:12:55 PM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible.. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Betty
> > > > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > > > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified.. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> > > >
> > > > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?]..
> > > I'm not sure we can say about the same time as this
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Devon_Feet_of_Fines_Richard_I_Henry_III/dXYDAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamelin+deandon&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > states this agreement was in 1256
> > Yes, but the same Mabile Malet. In 1279, Mabel Malet held of John de Mohun of Dunster in Devon ¼ of a knight’s fee at Brydewyk, 1/9 of a knight’s fee at Byeworth and La Fenne, and one knight’s fee in Bratton, Northcumb, and Southcumb. IPM, vol. 2, p. 177. These places were held by Hameline de Deaudon in 1242-1243. Book of Fees, p. 756, 785, 792.
> So Baldwin Malet was living in 1256 and dead by 1279
> John Malet of Enmore occurs next
> then another Baldwin living in 1303 as heir of John, Baldwin and wife Hawise both living in 1327
> next John Malet who has a 1338 marriage covenant with Elizabeth Kingston she living in 1373
> next another Baldwin living 1401, dead by 1426 with first wife Elizabeth Trivet
>
> This line by the way is ancestral to both the current British royals, but I don't think this line itself is royal earlier

I would not rule out a relationship to Henry I of England, possibly through Sybil de Faleise. Lucie Malet wife of Simon de Meriot and Thomas de Tymeworth held manors that belonged to Hamelin de Deaudon that she held by gift of her grandmother, Mabile Malet. Report & Transactions of the Devonshire Association for the Advancement of Science, Literature and Art, Volume 45 (Plymouth: W. Brendon & Sons, 1913), p. 190, citing Rev. Oswald J. Reichel, Lieut.-Colonel F. B. Prideaux and H. Tapley-Soper, Devon Feet of Fines, Vol. 2. 1 Edward I-43 Edward III. 1272-1369 (Devon and Cornwall Record Society; Exeter, 1939), #830. In 1284-1285, Thomas de Emmeworth [Tymeworth] held one knight’s fee in Bratton of Mabile Malet who held of John de Mohun, who held of Alan de Furneus [Furneaux] who held of Hugh de Courtenay who held in chief. Feudal Aids, vol. 1, p. 321. In 1303, Lucie de Meriet held one knight’s fee in Bratton, Comb, and Godiscote. Feudal Aids, vol. 1, p. 355.

Lucie Malet was a co-heir of Ralph son of William of Bruneton, another co-heir being Ralph fitz Urse. Documents and extracts illustrating the history of the honour of Dunster. Selected and edited by Sir H.C. Maxwell-Lyte, p. 32-34. Another co-heir of Ralph son of William was Isabel, daughter of John de Boleville or Boneville of West Lydford, Somerset. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 214; Great Chartulary of Glastonbury, vol. 2, p. 429-430. Ralph son of William held Williton, Somerset. Reginald fitz Urse confirmed the grant by William de Faleisia to the church of St. Andrew of Stogursey of 2 parts of the tithe of the demesne of Weleton [Williton, Somerset].

If anyone has access to a copy of Devon Feet of Fines. Volume 2. 1 Edward I-43 Edward III. 1272-1369. Rev. Oswald J. Reichel, Lieut.-Colonel F. B. Prideaux and H. Tapley-Soper (Devon and Cornwall Record Society; Exeter, 1939) I would appreciate a copy of fine number 830 involving Lucie Malet/Meriet/Tymeworth.

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> >
> > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> >
> > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Betty
> Who exactly is Henry de Umfraville? I've tried to find this name a variety of ways and came up short. How did you happen to land on him, for a question two centuries before his death?

Will I have some difficulty with this question, but it has to do with a Henry De Umfraville, who was Lord of Umberleigh, Devon about 1250. I suspect that the documents in total tell a story of the path from 1250- upwards. Umberleigh seems to underlie the riddle of who is who in the zoo for a number of families,

One of the difficulties is that some of the pedigrees were messed up on purpose because of a family squabble. So I will put it out there, my research so far and you may find this interesting or not.
The purpose of the following extensive discussion covering the families of Beaumonts of Sherwell Isle of Wight, Soligny, Wylyngton, and Bassets, their heiresses and lands, and eventual resting place, is to prove sections within each of these families’ pedigrees, and marriages.

Following the Land [Umberleigh] to prove the Pedigree of Wyllington

1. The earliest history begins with Mabel De Soligny, confirmed by British History as the Heiress of Umberleigh, benefactors to the Champernoun Family early on. This is also confirmed in Magna Britanica, Volume 6 noted below..

2. Ralph De Wyllington, who was Lord of Umberleigh in right of his wife Joan Champernowne, of Umberleigh, had at least 2 generations after him that we are missing information for. See the explanation that follows, which does concern the family of Wyllington more than Champernoun.
3. British History Online at Umberleigh Parish states that there were 2 progressive female heirs from Wylington, but that cannot be, as Umberleigh did not leave the Wyllington family nor was it partitioned by Moiety to Heiresses for many generations.

Notes – Continued:

Discussion

It was much later on that Isabel Wylington C 1375 married William Beaumont son of John Beaumont of Sherville. (who already owned Sherwell) No one argues this point, and the Umberleigh Parish article does not explain this incompatibility nor how it transferred from the 2 progressive daughters one a Wyllington to Beaumont; In fact, other records exist that contradict this. The Sir John Wylyngton (b1342), was son of Henry (1314-1349) Ralph the brother of Henrry was married to Margaret Neville according to CP this Ralph Wyllington was claiming to be of Lord of Umberleigh. This claim Cockayne complains of and places them at Cheringham. So there is some explaining to do to figure out how the Beaumont’s got the land from anybody but the Wilyngtons and it turns out that did not happen.

The Beaumont family has the following lands as a result of the Wyllington marriage and their own resources:

1. their own lands of Sherville, (See final Paragraph);
2. (Ralph II Wyllington) Lomene’s Heiresses lands at Gittesham, and
3. Puncharton’s lands at Heandon Puncherton through the Heiress Ermengarde
(marriage of Philip De Beaumont 1280 and Ermengarde Puncherton), and
4. the Umberleigh Lordship from the Soleigny, which the Wyllingtons
had all along from Champernoun); and
5. Philippa Dynham’s Blood of Richard the Fearless came (as she was Mother of the
Beaumont Heiress)

All went to John I Basset of Tehidy B 1384, through the marriage of the heiress, Joanna Beaumont born 1424 .

Ralph III Wyllington b 1239, sits at the head of the Wyllington Visitations of Devon, with his wife named Juliane Lomene, who is given by British History as the Heiress of Gittisham. In Addition, hidden behind this man, his father Ralph II b 1200 who married Joan Champernoun; behind Joan Champernoun 1200, her father William C 1260 heir of Umberleigh; his father Jordan II also Heir who married Mabel Soligny C 1125 Heiress of Umberleigh.

Sherwell remained in the Beaumont family until the Heiress Joanna, above, took it to the Bassets, thereby tying the later Sherwell Beaumonts to the Earls of Leicester. See Beaumont’s notes.

The Wylington Pedigree given on the Basset of Tehidy Visitations of Devon, 1887 Vivian is radically different that the Wylington Pedigree given at page 384 of The Parochial History of Trigg Minor that agrees with my discussion and I believe that Cockayne was incorrect in in his complaint.

The same can be said for Beaumont, and the inheritance of Heanton is next to impossible the way that the Bassets have written the pedigree.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > >

I have Hawise as being Hawise de Coffin, who was the heiress of Combe Pyne. It appears her father Elias De Coffin had a wife who was likely the Heiress of Shute. Perhaps the book you mentioned has her name. This Hawise De Coffin had a 1/3 of the Moiety in Dunster. In the Inquisition of Nicholas Bonville Hawise was one of the coheirs of Thomas Sanford. In Miscellanea Geneaol V II New Series Pedigree, Hawise is shown as the Daughter of Thomas De Pyne, instead of the widow of him, but this is not right. Then here is how the Umfraville part comes in.

Matilda De Pyne, daughter of Thomas De Payne was married to John Umfraville, and they died dsp, and this brought in some of the Umfraville lands to the sister Hawise De Pyne. Both Matilda or either of Hawise De Pyne and Matilda de Pyne were benefactors to their 1/2 brother, Nicholas De Bonville. So that is why I am so interested in those latin documents.

John Umfraville was the son of ??? but whatever he had to give over to De Pyne/Bonville was owned by Henry De Umfraville back in the day.

>
> John Umfraville was the son of ??? but whatever he had to give over to De Pyne/Bonville was owned by Henry De Umfraville back in the day.

The property in question that passed down was "Doun Umfraville", Devon, not specifically Umberleigh, but I am sure Umberleigh will also be in there and of course, I am equally interested in that for the reasons I posted.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > >
> > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > >
> > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > >
> > > Betty
> > Who exactly is Henry de Umfraville? I've tried to find this name a variety of ways and came up short. How did you happen to land on him, for a question two centuries before his death?
> Will I have some difficulty with this question, but it has to do with a Henry De Umfraville, who was Lord of Umberleigh, Devon about 1250. I suspect that the documents in total tell a story of the path from 1250- upwards. Umberleigh seems to underlie the riddle of who is who in the zoo for a number of families,
>
> One of the difficulties is that some of the pedigrees were messed up on purpose because of a family squabble. So I will put it out there, my research so far and you may find this interesting or not.
> The purpose of the following extensive discussion covering the families of Beaumonts of Sherwell Isle of Wight, Soligny, Wylyngton, and Bassets, their heiresses and lands, and eventual resting place, is to prove sections within each of these families’ pedigrees, and marriages.
>
> Following the Land [Umberleigh] to prove the Pedigree of Wyllington
>
> 1. The earliest history begins with Mabel De Soligny, confirmed by British History as the Heiress of Umberleigh, benefactors to the Champernoun Family early on. This is also confirmed in Magna Britanica, Volume 6 noted below.
>
> 2. Ralph De Wyllington, who was Lord of Umberleigh in right of his wife Joan Champernowne, of Umberleigh, had at least 2 generations after him that we are missing information for. See the explanation that follows, which does concern the family of Wyllington more than Champernoun.
> 3. British History Online at Umberleigh Parish states that there were 2 progressive female heirs from Wylington, but that cannot be, as Umberleigh did not leave the Wyllington family nor was it partitioned by Moiety to Heiresses for many generations.
>
> Notes – Continued:
>
> Discussion
>
> It was much later on that Isabel Wylington C 1375 married William Beaumont son of John Beaumont of Sherville. (who already owned Sherwell) No one argues this point, and the Umberleigh Parish article does not explain this incompatibility nor how it transferred from the 2 progressive daughters one a Wyllington to Beaumont; In fact, other records exist that contradict this. The Sir John Wylyngton (b1342), was son of Henry (1314-1349) Ralph the brother of Henrry was married to Margaret Neville according to CP this Ralph Wyllington was claiming to be of Lord of Umberleigh. This claim Cockayne complains of and places them at Cheringham. So there is some explaining to do to figure out how the Beaumont’s got the land from anybody but the Wilyngtons and it turns out that did not happen.
>
> The Beaumont family has the following lands as a result of the Wyllington marriage and their own resources:
>
> 1. their own lands of Sherville, (See final Paragraph);
> 2. (Ralph II Wyllington) Lomene’s Heiresses lands at Gittesham, and
> 3. Puncharton’s lands at Heandon Puncherton through the Heiress Ermengarde
> (marriage of Philip De Beaumont 1280 and Ermengarde Puncherton), and
> 4. the Umberleigh Lordship from the Soleigny, which the Wyllingtons
> had all along from Champernoun); and
> 5. Philippa Dynham’s Blood of Richard the Fearless came (as she was Mother of the
> Beaumont Heiress)
>
> All went to John I Basset of Tehidy B 1384, through the marriage of the heiress, Joanna Beaumont born 1424 .
>
> Ralph III Wyllington b 1239, sits at the head of the Wyllington Visitations of Devon, with his wife named Juliane Lomene, who is given by British History as the Heiress of Gittisham. In Addition, hidden behind this man, his father Ralph II b 1200 who married Joan Champernoun; behind Joan Champernoun 1200, her father William C 1260 heir of Umberleigh; his father Jordan II also Heir who married Mabel Soligny C 1125 Heiress of Umberleigh.
>
> Sherwell remained in the Beaumont family until the Heiress Joanna, above, took it to the Bassets, thereby tying the later Sherwell Beaumonts to the Earls of Leicester. See Beaumont’s notes.
>
> The Wylington Pedigree given on the Basset of Tehidy Visitations of Devon, 1887 Vivian is radically different that the Wylington Pedigree given at page 384 of The Parochial History of Trigg Minor that agrees with my discussion and I believe that Cockayne was incorrect in in his complaint.
>
> The same can be said for Beaumont, and the inheritance of Heanton is next to impossible the way that the Bassets have written the pedigree.

Is this the same Willington family as Ralph de Willingdon m. Olympia, heiress of Humphrey Franchevalier?

In 1361, the Umberleigh Willingtons and the St. Clairs of Ashbrittle, Somerset both held interests in the presentation to the church of Little Torrington, Devon. Bishop Grandison's Register, Part III, p. 1470-1471.
https://archive.org/details/registerofjohnde03exet/page/1470/mode/2up.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:51:34 PM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > >
> > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > Betty
> > > Who exactly is Henry de Umfraville? I've tried to find this name a variety of ways and came up short. How did you happen to land on him, for a question two centuries before his death?
> > Will I have some difficulty with this question, but it has to do with a Henry De Umfraville, who was Lord of Umberleigh, Devon about 1250. I suspect that the documents in total tell a story of the path from 1250- upwards. Umberleigh seems to underlie the riddle of who is who in the zoo for a number of families,
> >
> > One of the difficulties is that some of the pedigrees were messed up on purpose because of a family squabble. So I will put it out there, my research so far and you may find this interesting or not.
> > The purpose of the following extensive discussion covering the families of Beaumonts of Sherwell Isle of Wight, Soligny, Wylyngton, and Bassets, their heiresses and lands, and eventual resting place, is to prove sections within each of these families’ pedigrees, and marriages.
> >
> > Following the Land [Umberleigh] to prove the Pedigree of Wyllington
> >
> > 1. The earliest history begins with Mabel De Soligny, confirmed by British History as the Heiress of Umberleigh, benefactors to the Champernoun Family early on. This is also confirmed in Magna Britanica, Volume 6 noted below.
> >
> > 2. Ralph De Wyllington, who was Lord of Umberleigh in right of his wife Joan Champernowne, of Umberleigh, had at least 2 generations after him that we are missing information for. See the explanation that follows, which does concern the family of Wyllington more than Champernoun.
> > 3. British History Online at Umberleigh Parish states that there were 2 progressive female heirs from Wylington, but that cannot be, as Umberleigh did not leave the Wyllington family nor was it partitioned by Moiety to Heiresses for many generations.
> >
> > Notes – Continued:
> >
> > Discussion
> >
> > It was much later on that Isabel Wylington C 1375 married William Beaumont son of John Beaumont of Sherville. (who already owned Sherwell) No one argues this point, and the Umberleigh Parish article does not explain this incompatibility nor how it transferred from the 2 progressive daughters one a Wyllington to Beaumont; In fact, other records exist that contradict this. The Sir John Wylyngton (b1342), was son of Henry (1314-1349) Ralph the brother of Henrry was married to Margaret Neville according to CP this Ralph Wyllington was claiming to be of Lord of Umberleigh. This claim Cockayne complains of and places them at Cheringham. So there is some explaining to do to figure out how the Beaumont’s got the land from anybody but the Wilyngtons and it turns out that did not happen.
> >
> > The Beaumont family has the following lands as a result of the Wyllington marriage and their own resources:
> >
> > 1. their own lands of Sherville, (See final Paragraph);
> > 2. (Ralph II Wyllington) Lomene’s Heiresses lands at Gittesham, and
> > 3. Puncharton’s lands at Heandon Puncherton through the Heiress Ermengarde
> > (marriage of Philip De Beaumont 1280 and Ermengarde Puncherton), and
> > 4. the Umberleigh Lordship from the Soleigny, which the Wyllingtons
> > had all along from Champernoun); and
> > 5. Philippa Dynham’s Blood of Richard the Fearless came (as she was Mother of the
> > Beaumont Heiress)
> >
> > All went to John I Basset of Tehidy B 1384, through the marriage of the heiress, Joanna Beaumont born 1424 .
> >
> > Ralph III Wyllington b 1239, sits at the head of the Wyllington Visitations of Devon, with his wife named Juliane Lomene, who is given by British History as the Heiress of Gittisham. In Addition, hidden behind this man, his father Ralph II b 1200 who married Joan Champernoun; behind Joan Champernoun 1200, her father William C 1260 heir of Umberleigh; his father Jordan II also Heir who married Mabel Soligny C 1125 Heiress of Umberleigh.
> >
> > Sherwell remained in the Beaumont family until the Heiress Joanna, above, took it to the Bassets, thereby tying the later Sherwell Beaumonts to the Earls of Leicester. See Beaumont’s notes.
> >
> > The Wylington Pedigree given on the Basset of Tehidy Visitations of Devon, 1887 Vivian is radically different that the Wylington Pedigree given at page 384 of The Parochial History of Trigg Minor that agrees with my discussion and I believe that Cockayne was incorrect in in his complaint.
> >
> > The same can be said for Beaumont, and the inheritance of Heanton is next to impossible the way that the Bassets have written the pedigree.
> Is this the same Willington family as Ralph de Willingdon m. Olympia, heiress of Humphrey Franchevalier?
>
> In 1361, the Umberleigh Willingtons and the St. Clairs of Ashbrittle, Somerset both held interests in the presentation to the church of Little Torrington, Devon. Bishop Grandison's Register, Part III, p. 1470-1471.
> https://archive.org/details/registerofjohnde03exet/page/1470/mode/2up.

Sir John /Willington/ of Umberleigh; Knt
eldest of two sons of his father
married Matilda /Carminow/
and left
Isabel /Willington/
"aged 26" when co-heiress of her brother John 1396

this Sir John was the ggggrandson of the above Olympias Franc

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:10:26 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> >
> > John Umfraville was the son of ??? but whatever he had to give over to De Pyne/Bonville was owned by Henry De Umfraville back in the day.
> The property in question that passed down was "Doun Umfraville", Devon, not specifically Umberleigh, but I am sure Umberleigh will also be in there and of course, I am equally interested in that for the reasons I posted.

John de Umfraville heir to his brother Henry - Torrington and Kelminton Devon
https://archive.org/details/calendarinquisi00offigoog/page/264/mode/2up?q=umfraville

Is this John de Umfraville of Penmark the same person? According to the source he is, but I have not checked the notes.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Inventory_of_the_Ancient_Monuments_in/mhnYtVAUhQEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+de+umfraville%22+devon&pg=PA280&printsec=frontcover

John de Umfraville of Penmark is identified in the 1307 IPM of Alice de Clare.
https://archive.org/details/calendarofinquis04grea/page/322/mode/2up?q=umframvile

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:49:56 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:10:26 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > >
> > > John Umfraville was the son of ??? but whatever he had to give over to De Pyne/Bonville was owned by Henry De Umfraville back in the day.
> > The property in question that passed down was "Doun Umfraville", Devon, not specifically Umberleigh, but I am sure Umberleigh will also be in there and of course, I am equally interested in that for the reasons I posted.
> John de Umfraville heir to his brother Henry - Torrington and Kelminton Devon
> https://archive.org/details/calendarinquisi00offigoog/page/264/mode/2up?q=umfraville
>
> Is this John de Umfraville of Penmark the same person? According to the source he is, but I have not checked the notes.
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Inventory_of_the_Ancient_Monuments_in/mhnYtVAUhQEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+de+umfraville%22+devon&pg=PA280&printsec=frontcover
>
> John de Umfraville of Penmark is identified in the 1307 IPM of Alice de Clare.
> https://archive.org/details/calendarofinquis04grea/page/322/mode/2up?q=umframvile

I don't believe this is the same branch of the family. This is a Welsh branch. I have the Umfreville book and they are pretty much dealt with there. I have the book on Great Torrington too, and they have a Devon branch, but I cannot identify this John who was likely a brother of Henry or a son. I will check the first one you gave as I think this is the answer to the question. Thanks very much.

Yes, it is the answer, and now I have to find what John did with it. It is the Lapford and Doun and is of interest.

> > The same can be said for Beaumont, and the inheritance of Heanton is next to impossible the way that the Bassets have written the pedigree.
> Is this the same Willington family as Ralph de Willingdon m. Olympia, heiress of Humphrey Franchevalier?
>
> In 1361, the Umberleigh Willingtons and the St. Clairs of Ashbrittle, Somerset both held interests in the presentation to the church of Little Torrington, Devon. Bishop Grandison's Register, Part III, p. 1470-1471.
> https://archive.org/details/registerofjohnde03exet/page/1470/mode/2up.

Yes, it is. I did not have any further back than Olympia, als Chevalier. So that is why I guess. I did not have the whole name.

>
> In 1361, the Umberleigh Willingtons and the St. Clairs of Ashbrittle, Somerset both held interests in the presentation to the church of Little Torrington, Devon. Bishop Grandison's Register, Part III, p. 1470-1471.
> https://archive.org/details/registerofjohnde03exet/page/1470/mode/2up.

I see that. This agrees with what I said

Ralph III Wyllington b 1239, sits at the head of the Wyllington Visitations of Devon, with his wife named Juliane Lomene, who is given by British History as the Heiress of Gittisham. In Addition, hidden behind this man, his father Ralph II b 1200 who married Joan Champernoun; behind Joan Champernoun 1200, her father William C 1260 heir of Umberleigh; his father Jordan II also Heir who married Mabel Soligny C 1125 Heiress of Umberleigh.

So this proves my point then that the Basset pedigree for Willington is not true, and the one in Trigg Minor is true. Thanks very much for that. So for Umberleigh, we pretty much have the line correct. Now if I could just find Lapford Doun from John Umfraville. I think it is just not a significant property and it is spelled several ways, as is Umfraville, making the search even more challenging.

Cheers. Betty.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > >
> > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > Betty
> > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
>
> In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].

Hawise I am quite sure is Coffin, as she was the heiress of Coffin Pyne. I would not get hung up on the name so much as I believe it is all part of the same family. In fact, they changed the name after this period of time to Coffin Pyne. I will have a look at what you sent here to see if any of this changes or adds to my work. Thanks very much.

Hawise's father was Elias De Coffin, [who had the daughter Hawise who married Thomas De Pyne] who is said to be married to the heiress of Shute but I do not have her name. Have you run across this? The History of the Pyne family indicates that Oliver De Pyne settled at East Doun about 1397. So that is why the interest in Lapford Doun. In amongst the British Online History stuff, it appears that Lapford Doun and East Doun were in the same location. So from John Umfraville to Oliver -- how did they get it? So that is quite a spread in time, but hopefully we can trace it.

Magna Brittania P 137 [unfortunately, I did not record the volume, and only have an image, said that Combe Pyne went from Coffin to Pyne and then to Umphraville and to Bonville. But how Shute fits into this, I am unsure.

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 7:29:41 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Betty
> > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee.. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> >
> > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> Hawise I am quite sure is Coffin, as she was the heiress of Coffin Pyne. I would not get hung up on the name so much as I believe it is all part of the same family. In fact, they changed the name after this period of time to Coffin Pyne. I will have a look at what you sent here to see if any of this changes or adds to my work. Thanks very much.
>
> Hawise's father was Elias De Coffin, [who had the daughter Hawise who married Thomas De Pyne] who is said to be married to the heiress of Shute but I do not have her name. Have you run across this? The History of the Pyne family indicates that Oliver De Pyne settled at East Doun about 1397. So that is why the interest in Lapford Doun. In amongst the British Online History stuff, it appears that Lapford Doun and East Doun were in the same location. So from John Umfraville to Oliver -- how did they get it? So that is quite a spread in time, but hopefully we can trace it.
>
> Magna Brittania P 137 [unfortunately, I did not record the volume, and only have an image, said that Combe Pyne went from Coffin to Pyne and then to Umphraville and to Bonville. But how Shute fits into this, I am unsure.

I failed to mention that the 2 daughters of Thomas Pyne, Matilda and Hawise, were beneficiaries of Combe Pyne, and they both died dsp. They were the benefactors to their half brother Nicholas. Matilda Pyne had been married to John Umfraville, THE John Umfraville, and was heiress of Lapford Down from him, and this Matilda passed to her sister and her sister passed it to her half brother Nicholas Bonville. So as John was the brother of Henry, and we have the Inquisition now showing that, the chain is unbroken.

So I guess now we have the full story on Lapford Down.

So also, Hawise De Coffin had a 1/3 of the moiety in Dunster from Thomas Sanford. I don't know how she got that other than through her Mother who is UNKNOWN, heiress of Shute. So if we can solve that, I think we have it licked.

Cheers.

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 7:40:13 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 7:29:41 AM UTC-7, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betty
> > > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> > >
> > > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> > Hawise I am quite sure is Coffin, as she was the heiress of Coffin Pyne.. I would not get hung up on the name so much as I believe it is all part of the same family. In fact, they changed the name after this period of time to Coffin Pyne. I will have a look at what you sent here to see if any of this changes or adds to my work. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Hawise's father was Elias De Coffin, [who had the daughter Hawise who married Thomas De Pyne] who is said to be married to the heiress of Shute but I do not have her name. Have you run across this? The History of the Pyne family indicates that Oliver De Pyne settled at East Doun about 1397. So that is why the interest in Lapford Doun. In amongst the British Online History stuff, it appears that Lapford Doun and East Doun were in the same location. So from John Umfraville to Oliver -- how did they get it? So that is quite a spread in time, but hopefully we can trace it.
> >
> > Magna Brittania P 137 [unfortunately, I did not record the volume, and only have an image, said that Combe Pyne went from Coffin to Pyne and then to Umphraville and to Bonville. But how Shute fits into this, I am unsure.
> I failed to mention that the 2 daughters of Thomas Pyne, Matilda and Hawise, were beneficiaries of Combe Pyne, and they both died dsp. They were the benefactors to their half brother Nicholas. Matilda Pyne had been married to John Umfraville, THE John Umfraville, and was heiress of Lapford Down from him, and this Matilda passed to her sister and her sister passed it to her half brother Nicholas Bonville. So as John was the brother of Henry, and we have the Inquisition now showing that, the chain is unbroken.
>
> So I guess now we have the full story on Lapford Down.
>
> So also, Hawise De Coffin had a 1/3 of the moiety in Dunster from Thomas Sanford. I don't know how she got that other than through her Mother who is UNKNOWN, heiress of Shute. So if we can solve that, I think we have it licked.
>
> Cheers.

I reread my earlier stuff here and I have messed up quite a bit. It was a while ago I worked on this. Isolda De Pyne had nothing to do with the Moiety..

It was Hawise De Coffin, whose father was Elias. Elias likely had a sister Hawise who married Sir John Mohun, and that is how Elias became the heir of his sister and her husband, dsp, and downstream Elias's daughtere Hawise De Coffin married Thomas De Pyne, taking the moiety downstream to the 2 daughters, and then from them to the son of Nicholas, as Nicholas himself the 1/2 brother was already deceased I believe. This came from Collections towards a Description of Devon, page 126.

Also Inquisition of Nicholas Bonville the son, 16 Apr 2 Henry VII whereby Edmund Larder his cousin is his heir aged 7, and he holds Comb Pyne.

Source for Coheiresses of Thomas De Pyne - at
Daniel Lysons and Samuel Lysons, 'Parishes: Salcombe Regis - Silverton', in Magna Britannia: Volume 6, Devonshire (London, 1822), pp. 430-451. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/magna-britannia/vol6/pp430-451 [accessed 10 June 2023].

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:29:41 AM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Betty
> > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee.. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> >
> > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> Hawise I am quite sure is Coffin, as she was the heiress of Coffin Pyne. I would not get hung up on the name so much as I believe it is all part of the same family. In fact, they changed the name after this period of time to Coffin Pyne. I will have a look at what you sent here to see if any of this changes or adds to my work. Thanks very much.
>
> Hawise's father was Elias De Coffin, [who had the daughter Hawise who married Thomas De Pyne] who is said to be married to the heiress of Shute but I do not have her name. Have you run across this? The History of the Pyne family indicates that Oliver De Pyne settled at East Doun about 1397. So that is why the interest in Lapford Doun. In amongst the British Online History stuff, it appears that Lapford Doun and East Doun were in the same location. So from John Umfraville to Oliver -- how did they get it? So that is quite a spread in time, but hopefully we can trace it.
>
> Magna Brittania P 137 [unfortunately, I did not record the volume, and only have an image, said that Combe Pyne went from Coffin to Pyne and then to Umphraville and to Bonville. But how Shute fits into this, I am unsure.

In 1225, Alpesia, the widow of Geoffrey de Sancto Claro [of Stapleton] entered into an agreement with Elias Coffin and wife, Alice, regarding 15 shillings rent in Piplepan [Pupelpenne]. Somerset Pedes Finum, vol.1, p. 47. Pupelpenne was a St. Clair manor held by John Lanceline or Lancelevee who married Hawise, sister of Ralph de Sancto Claro.

Below is what I have on Shute:

In 1228, Lucas de Shete held Schute, Devon of John Bisset and wife, Alice. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 79, 100. Alice, wife of John Bisset was Alice Basset, daughter of Thomas Basset, brother of Gilbert Basset of Headington, Oxfordshire. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 127, 184. Honors and Knights Fees, vol. 2, p. 286. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. Thomas Basset married Philippa, daughter and co-heir of William Maubanc of Wich Malbank Cheshire. Honors and Knights’ Fees, vol. 2, p. 286. Alice, daughter of Thomas Basset married: (1) William Malet [?]; (2) Thomas Sanford; and (3) John Biset. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. The post-mortem inquisition of Thomas de Saunford found that he held 1/6 of Wicum Malbancum (Wich Malbank or Nantwich) Cheshire. IPM, vol. 3, p. 392. At his death, Thomas de Saunford also held Whyteford, Devon (in Shute) of the heirs of Alice Byset. IPM, vol. 3, p. 392.

In 1242-1243, Reginald de Valle Torta and Alice Basseth held in Culiton [Colyton] 2 knights’ fees of Walter de Dunstanvill. Book of Fees, p. 782. In 1244, Alice Bassett held the manor of Wyteford in the Hundred of Culinton. Book of Fees, p. 1385.

In 1254-1256, a jury was called to decide if Richard de Tubervill, brother of Roger de Reyni, held in demesne a carucate of land in Dulverton, Somerset which land was held by Robert de Schete [Shute] who also held land known as Cumb. Somerset Pleas, vol. 1, p. 428-432. Robert claimed that Richard gave the land to Robert shortly before Richard’s death.

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:29:41 AM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:29:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Goff wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-4, Betty Gorrie wrote:
> > > > > > I ordered the files from National Archives, and I have about 50 pages in all. I believe they are the Inquisition of Henry Umfraville about 1461 and his widow about 1466/67.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking to solve the issue of the wife of Nicholas Bonville, who was an heiress of Thomas Sandford, I believe by her mother. Now this is Isolda De Pyne, and her father was Simon De Pyne. I think he was married to a Courtenay, as it has to be one of the downstream of Alice Basset and Thomas Sandford. This would also help me solve the issue of the wife of Henry Pomerai, which their pedigrees call Isolda De Bathia (sp?). They say that she was the wife of Pomerai, and they had a daughter Johanna, who married Geoffrey de Aubermarle. Someplace in the same Pomerai document, they say his mother was Isolda De Bathia as well. So, we know that is not possible. So it is likely one of these ladies was Isolda De Pyne.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now Isolda de Pyne was the heiress of a part of the Courtenay moiety in Dunster, Somerset. So this Henry Umfraville died 1461 or so, but apparently, the history of the property is contained in this Latin document. If anyone can assist with this translation, I would be happy to email the documents to them, provided that I also get a copy of the translation. Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betty
> > > > > There is a book called _The Story of Shute: The Bonvilles and Poles_ by Marion Ferguson Bridie (Axminster, England, 1955). Some of these Poles were the ones who settled early in Taunton, Massachusetts, which the book mentions, and quotes from an old letter mentioning two youths (unnamed) who were to be sent over to New England.
> > > > https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/285938-the-story-of-shute-the-bonvilles-and-poles
> > > I have Nicholas de Boneville as the husband of Hawise, widow of Thomas de Pyn, and their son as Nicholas de Boneville, father of William de Boneville of Shute, Devon. In 1280, King Edward I and Queen Eleanor entered a fine with Thomas de Pyn and wife, Hawise, for the manor of Dulverton, Somerset, by which Thomas and Hawise held the manor for life, with the manor passing to the King and Queen upon the death of Thomas and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 1, p. 254. The 1295 post-mortem inquisition of Nicholas de Boneville found that his son, Nicholas, age 2 was his heir for the lands he held of his inheritance. IPM, vol. 3, p. 165-166. He held Schete [Shute] and Combe, Devon of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise. In Somerset, he held Lydiard Punchardun of the inheritance of his wife, Hawise, held of Sir John de Moyun of the barony of Dunsterr by service of ¼ of a knight’s fee. Those lands were not held of his inheritance so no heir was specified. Nicholas also held Dulverton, Somerset, a moiety (share) of the manor including a Hundred held of the King in chief by service of 1/3 of a knight’s fee, also of the inheritance of his wife, who held the share jointly with Thomas de Pyn, her former husband. The 1331 post-mortem inquisition of Hawise de Pyne found that Nicholas de Bolevyle, age 30 or more, was her heir for 1/3 of the manor of Dulverton, Somerset. IPM, vol. 7, p. 209. No inquisition was held outside of Somerset and Lidiard Punchardun was not included.
> > >
> > > In 1284-1285, Mabile Malet and Thomas de Pyn [in right of his wife, Hawise] held Lydiard Punchardun of John de Moun by service of ½ a knight’s fee. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 284. Around the same time, Roger de Claville and wife, Joan, entered an agreement with Baldwin Malet and wife Mabile regarding the division of the property of Hamelin Deandon, father of Joan and Mabile, that granted to Baldwin and Mabile, Lidyard as her reasonable part. Arthur Malet, Notices of an English Branch of the Malet Family (London: Harrison & Sons, 1885), p. 114. Baldwin Malet and Mabile were succeeded by their son, John Malet of Enmore, described in two notices as John Malet, son and heir of Baldwin Malet. Arthur Malet, Notices, p. 32-33. In 1303, Baldwin Malet of Enmore was the heir of John Malet of Enmore. Feudal Aids, vol. 4, p. 301. In 1327, Baldwin Malet [of Enmore] and wife, Hawise, entered a fine with John atte Wode for a house, 2 carucates of land, 10 acres meadow, 20 acres wood, 20 acres pasture, 2d. rent, and ½ a mill in Lydiard Punchardon, which John acknowledged to be the right of Baldwin and Hawise. Somerset Fines, vol. 2, p. 44.Claims were made by William de Loughteburgh, and wife, Hawise, and Nicholas de Holeuylle [Boleville/Boneville?].
> > Hawise I am quite sure is Coffin, as she was the heiress of Coffin Pyne.. I would not get hung up on the name so much as I believe it is all part of the same family. In fact, they changed the name after this period of time to Coffin Pyne. I will have a look at what you sent here to see if any of this changes or adds to my work. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Hawise's father was Elias De Coffin, [who had the daughter Hawise who married Thomas De Pyne] who is said to be married to the heiress of Shute but I do not have her name. Have you run across this? The History of the Pyne family indicates that Oliver De Pyne settled at East Doun about 1397. So that is why the interest in Lapford Doun. In amongst the British Online History stuff, it appears that Lapford Doun and East Doun were in the same location. So from John Umfraville to Oliver -- how did they get it? So that is quite a spread in time, but hopefully we can trace it.
> >
> > Magna Brittania P 137 [unfortunately, I did not record the volume, and only have an image, said that Combe Pyne went from Coffin to Pyne and then to Umphraville and to Bonville. But how Shute fits into this, I am unsure.
> In 1225, Alpesia, the widow of Geoffrey de Sancto Claro [of Stapleton] entered into an agreement with Elias Coffin and wife, Alice, regarding 15 shillings rent in Piplepan [Pupelpenne]. Somerset Pedes Finum, vol.1, p. 47. Pupelpenne was a St. Clair manor held by John Lanceline or Lancelevee who married Hawise, sister of Ralph de Sancto Claro.
>
> Below is what I have on Shute:
>
> In 1228, Lucas de Shete held Schute, Devon of John Bisset and wife, Alice.. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 79, 100. Alice, wife of John Bisset was Alice Basset, daughter of Thomas Basset, brother of Gilbert Basset of Headington, Oxfordshire. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 127, 184. Honors and Knights Fees, vol. 2, p. 286. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. Thomas Basset married Philippa, daughter and co-heir of William Maubanc of Wich Malbank Cheshire. Honors and Knights’ Fees, vol. 2, p. 286. Alice, daughter of Thomas Basset married: (1) William Malet [?]; (2) Thomas Sanford; and (3) John Biset. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. The post-mortem inquisition of Thomas de Saunford found that he held 1/6 of Wicum Malbancum (Wich Malbank or Nantwich) Cheshire. IPM, vol. 3, p. 392. At his death, Thomas de Saunford also held Whyteford, Devon (in Shute) of the heirs of Alice Byset. IPM, vol. 3, p. 392.
>
> In 1242-1243, Reginald de Valle Torta and Alice Basseth held in Culiton [Colyton] 2 knights’ fees of Walter de Dunstanvill. Book of Fees, p. 782. In 1244, Alice Bassett held the manor of Wyteford in the Hundred of Culinton. Book of Fees, p. 1385.
>
> In 1254-1256, a jury was called to decide if Richard de Tubervill, brother of Roger de Reyni, held in demesne a carucate of land in Dulverton, Somerset which land was held by Robert de Schete [Shute] who also held land known as Cumb. Somerset Pleas, vol. 1, p. 428-432. Robert claimed that Richard gave the land to Robert shortly before Richard’s death.

So well, we have a first name for Ellis's wife, Alice. So Sandford's daughter;s marriages given by Sir William Pole is backed up by the Transactions of Devon which is nice. I think everthing else I have is in line with this.. Thanks a lot for your help.

Kind regards, Betty

> > Below is what I have on Shute:
> >
> > In 1228, Lucas de Shete held Schute, Devon of John Bisset and wife, Alice. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 79, 100. Alice, wife of John Bisset was Alice Basset, daughter of Thomas Basset, brother of Gilbert Basset of Headington, Oxfordshire. Devon Fines, vol. 1, p. 127, 184. Honors and Knights Fees, vol.. 2, p. 286. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. Thomas Basset married Philippa, daughter and co-heir of William Maubanc of Wich Malbank Cheshire. Honors and Knights’ Fees, vol. 2, p. 286. Alice, daughter of Thomas Basset married: (1) William Malet [?]; (2) Thomas Sanford; and (3) John Biset. Transactions of the Devonshire Association, vol. 29, p. 467. The post-mortem inquisition of Thomas de Saunford found that he held 1/6 of Wicum Malbancum (Wich Malbank or Nantwich) Cheshire. IPM, vol.. 3, p. 392. At his death, Thomas de Saunford also held Whyteford, Devon (in Shute) of the heirs of Alice Byset. IPM, vol. 3, p. 392.
> >
> > In 1242-1243, Reginald de Valle Torta and Alice Basseth held in Culiton [Colyton] 2 knights’ fees of Walter de Dunstanvill. Book of Fees, p. 782. In 1244, Alice Bassett held the manor of Wyteford in the Hundred of Culinton. Book of Fees, p. 1385.
> >
> > In 1254-1256, a jury was called to decide if Richard de Tubervill, brother of Roger de Reyni, held in demesne a carucate of land in Dulverton, Somerset which land was held by Robert de Schete [Shute] who also held land known as Cumb. Somerset Pleas, vol. 1, p. 428-432. Robert claimed that Richard gave the land to Robert shortly before Richard’s death.
> So well, we have a first name for Ellis's wife, Alice. So Sandford's daughter;s marriages given by Sir William Pole is backed up by the Transactions of Devon which is nice. I think everthing else I have is in line with this.. Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Kind regards, Betty

I looked at everything, and I now am aware of the significance that Alice Basset and John Biset ALSO held SHUTE not just Whytford, and therefore all we really know about Elias's wife is that her name was Alice. This Alice last name unknown, is not the heiress of SHUTE. I was being too tunnel visioned.