On 2023-10-09 17:20, JP wrote:
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:00:19 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-10-09 05:28, JP wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-05 13:03, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>> Yazoo <ya...@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
>>>>>> <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good place to read about differences:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the
>>>>>>> ex-F2 drivers in Indycar currently is the tyres. They say
>>>>>>> in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and
>>>>>>> they'll get hotter and hotter and give more grip. Whereas
>>>>>>> they say that if you were to do that with the F1 / F2
>>>>>>> Pirelli rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get
>>>>>>> slipperier as the wheelie goes on, chunks fly off and
>>>>>>> they never come back to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know
>>>>>> that F1 tyres have to be managed well. If driver pushes
>>>>>> them too much they will degrade very quick. Based on what I
>>>>>> learned about the differences, I believe that F1 car is
>>>>>> much more complicated and harder to drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require
>>>>> very different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses
>>>>> (e.g. drafting is much more important). It is my impression
>>>>> that Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
>>>>>
>>>> I think your impression is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Racing on an oval is different from a road course, obviously,
>>>> but it requires just as much skill. Ask Nigel Mansell what he
>>>> thought about the challenges of oval racing.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, the feeder serieses (?) for IndyCar are road
>>>> racing series.
>>>>
>>>> I think by far the biggest factor is the lack of familiarity
>>>> with the tracks that F1 uses. This is what caught Michael
>>>> Andretti out when he tried to move from IndyCars to F1. He had
>>>> plenty of success on IndyCar road courses, but moving straight
>>>> over to F1 and having to learn every circuit from scratch at
>>>> every race just wasn't workable.
>>>
>>> Yes, you’re right Alan, I understand oval racing is quite
>>> difficult, more so than one would expect. For his first year or
>>> so Grosjean didn’t drive any of the oval races but has now become
>>> pretty good.
>>>
>>> Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down
>>> from Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.
>> True. I thought about that when I replied (and checking there's
>> also "World Wide Technology Raceway" in Madison Illinois), but
>> that's still only 3 out of 14 races, and on short ovals at that.
>
>
> Yeah I saw that too when I looked it up. The World Wide Blah Blah is
> a NASCAR track.
>
> I guess maybe they use the shorter ovals to “ease them in.” But the
> short ones can be challenging too because even though they don’t have
> the outright speed you’re always turning. I don’t like to watch them
> because they make me dizzy. But I guess my wife would say that’s a
> natural state for me. ;-)

But that makes them MORE like road racing if anything.

Road racing is all about keeping the most speed through the corners;
that, and how early you can get back on the accelerator.

And this actually holds true for any form of racing other than drag
racing. If you have to turn corners and finish the course faster than
the other guy, a HUGE part of it is how well you handle the corners.
Once the track gets to completely straight (or bends so little it makes
no difference), ANYONE can do exactly what the best racing drivers do:
stay hard on the throttle.

I actually had a buddy who volunteered to be my crew for a few years as
I was learning to race, and he asked me with no hint of sarcasm whether
or not I was full throttle ONCE I WAS ON THE STRAIGHT. He had to take
driver training and experience being the man behind the controls to
appreciate that that simply wasn't what made the difference.

And it's really no different in IndyCar. The difference between flat-out
on the straight and how fast you're going through the corners on a super
speedway might be less, but you still win or lose by:

1. How much speed you carry mid-corner.

2. How early you can get back to full throttle.

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 11:38:43 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> But that makes them MORE like road racing if anything.

fuck off

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:20:46 PM UTC-6, JP wrote:

> I guess maybe

keep on guessing dick hole

> I don’t like to watch them because they make me dizzy.

you sound queer

>But I guess

keep on guessing dick hole

> > Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down from
> > Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.

> True. I thought about that when I replied (and checking there's also
> "World Wide Technology Raceway" in Madison Illinois), but that's still
> only 3 out of 14 races, and on short ovals at that.

NXT does not even run the IMS oval any more. A couple of the lower feeders
run (or used to run) the short oval at Indianapolis Raceway Park (or
whatever it is called now).

As you previously suggested, all of the "official" feeders, like IndyCar, are
now predominantly road and street courses. Some of the drivers, like Alex
Palou, came from other formula feeder systems that indeed have no ovals at
all.

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