On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 07:32:17 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 8:14:55?AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:53:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>> >> <ne...@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>> >>> visit.
>> >>
>> >> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>> >> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>> >
>> >It's scary! :-)
>> I'm well aware of why Krygowski is so intent on trying to berate me.
>> The explanation is explained below by a professional:
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>> "For narcissists, people can broadly be divided into two groups:
>> targets of their own envy and sources of real or imagined inflating
>> envy from others. [...]
>>
>> But in addition to self-enhancing identification comes a painful sense
>> of frustration. Why does he or she have all this? Why not me? This
>> mobilizes the hostile, bitter component of the envious emotion, in
>> which the object envied needs to be diminished in order to lessen the
>> distance between self and other. For the narcissist, this gap may
>> elicit what has been called “narcissistic injury,” a poignant reminder
>> of shameful inadequacies that he or she tries desperately to deny. "
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shame-guilt-and-their-defenses/202012/the-roots-narcissistic-envy
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>>
>> There's also a professional's explanation for why he attempts to tag
>> me with labels such as "timid," which he knows, full well, does not
>> apply to me.
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>> "Ironically, narcissists’ labels reveal more about the narcissist than
>> their target. One hallmark of narcissism is the frequent use of the
>> defense mechanism of projection. Projection is when we unconsciously
>> attribute to others feelings and judgments that we cannot tolerate
>> recognizing within ourselves. Narcissists’ most-used labels tend to
>> show their deepest fears about themselves."
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/narcissism-demystified/202109/8-ways-narcissists-seek-manipulate-and-dehumanize-you
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>> I also assume that Krygowski is generally afraid to face me directly,
>> knowing that I can handle his attacks and turn them back on him. Thus,
>> he hides under his peek-a-boo blanky expressing his resentment to
>> other people.

>When I mentioned my investments he immediately said that the college was taking well care of him. Since I ride with retired college professors I know that to be a lie. One of them has to take jobs returning commercial trucks from Arizona and Texas to make ends meet.

I thought you didn't like engaging in distracting discussions while
riding?

>I just got the following from UC Berkeley:

Why would UC Berkely send you a solicitation when you never attended
any college?

>"Tom,
>
>Your background and work experience stood out to us as someone who could be a great match for the Berkeley Haas Full-time MBA program.
>
>Here are a few things that differentiate the Berkeley Haas Full-time program:
>
>Top-Ranked: #7 global MBA program by Financial Times (2023).
>Collaborative Culture: The Defining Leadership principles create a supportive environment where students learn from each other's diverse set of perspectives.
>Innovative Curriculum: Leadership driven core and a wide variety of real-world experiential learning opportunities."
>
>Do you suppose that Krygowski gets emails like that? Or Liebermann?

Not me. I suspect my former three colleges would prefer to forget
that I existed. However, I do receive ocassional solicitations from
the Cal Poly Pomona alumni association.
<https://www.cpp.edu/alumni/>

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 11:48:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>
>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>> pedals.
>>
>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>
>The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.

Yeah, I do enjoy making sure that everyone knows that the reason for
your braggs and other posting nonsense is because of your narcissism.

Consider it a free service.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>>> street view:
>>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>>
>> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
>> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
>> irrespective of when it was built.
>
> You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.
>
> First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
> lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
> protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."
>
> Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?

It’s more it’s not connected to the other cycle lanes on Fifth Avenue and
has fairly poor entry and exit I’m assuming it is at least single
direction? Exit in particular looks like exiting the kerb? While checking
for turning traffic? Seems an accident waiting to happen really!

North West Avenue seems to be where most cyclists would ride to/from
looking at the heat map.

>
> The street was perfectly fine before that mess was installed. It's worse
> now because of it.
>
Seems poorly implemented with the caveat of viewing by street view!

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>
>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>> pedals.
>>
>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>
> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>
> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>
It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie slow to
a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
sideways at least that’s the reputation.

Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one out.
At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.

> As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be able to use my
> bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a store, to a library,
> to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change shoes. For me,
> toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work perfectly. YMMV.
>
For similar reasons I use flats for the commute, thought much more
performance oriented shoes for MTB/Gravel biking.

Roger Merriman

On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>> pedals.
>>>
>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>>
>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>
>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
>> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>>
> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie slow to
> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>
> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one out.
> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.

That's the opposite of my experience. I used toe clips when I first
started racing, then for about 5 years after than until I switched to Look.

I remember thinking almost immediately how much better it was getting
in, getting out, more confidence that I wasn't going to pop out. I never
went back to toe clips after that except on an urban bike I used to have
(as Andrew notes, just so I didn't have to change shoes). I rode those
Look pedals for about a year until I saw someone with Speedplay. I
started with those in 1993 and have used them ever since.

>
>> As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be able to use my
>> bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a store, to a library,
>> to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change shoes. For me,
>> toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work perfectly. YMMV.
>>
> For similar reasons I use flats for the commute, thought much more
> performance oriented shoes for MTB/Gravel biking.
>
> Roger Merriman

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On 2/15/2024 1:38 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 11:48:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>> pedals.
>>>
>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>>
>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>
> Yeah, I do enjoy making sure that everyone knows that the reason for
> your braggs and other posting nonsense is because of your narcissism.
>
> Consider it a free service.

You certainly are free to make the world aware of your narcissism though
projection.

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On 2/15/2024 2:36 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with
>>>>> clipless
>>>>> pedals.
>>>>
>>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do
>>>> something and
>>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you
>>>> don't get that.
>>>
>>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his
>>> feelings of
>>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every
>>> way possible.
>>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>>
>>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not
>>> afraid of
>>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic
>>> cycling shoes with
>>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in
>>> the day. A
>>> person who can handle those should have no problem with
>>> clipless.
>>>
>> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch
>> folks out ie slow to
>> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they
>> ungracious fall
>> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>>
>> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to
>> catch one out.
>> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe
>> from pedal.
>
> That's the opposite of my experience. I used toe clips when
> I first started racing, then for about 5 years after than
> until I switched to Look.
>
> I remember thinking almost immediately how much better it
> was getting in, getting out, more confidence that I wasn't
> going to pop out. I never went back to toe clips after that
> except on an urban bike I used to have (as Andrew notes,
> just so I didn't have to change shoes). I rode those Look
> pedals for about a year until I saw someone with Speedplay.
> I started with those in 1993 and have used them ever since.
>
>>
>>> As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be
>>> able to use my
>>> bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a
>>> store, to a library,
>>> to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change
>>> shoes. For me,
>>> toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work
>>> perfectly. YMMV.
>>>
>> For similar reasons I use flats for the commute, thought
>> much more
>> performance oriented shoes for MTB/Gravel biking.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>

You were late to that party.

Toeclips for competition largely ended the day Dave Grylls
threw away a gold medal when he pulled out of his clips at
the start of the Team Pursuit race, LA 1984.

https://www.olympedia.org/results/154547
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On 2/15/2024 2:36 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with
>>>>> clipless
>>>>> pedals.
>>>>
>>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do
>>>> something and
>>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you
>>>> don't get that.
>>>
>>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his
>>> feelings of
>>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every
>>> way possible.
>>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>>
>>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not
>>> afraid of
>>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic
>>> cycling shoes with
>>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in
>>> the day. A
>>> person who can handle those should have no problem with
>>> clipless.
>>>
>> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch
>> folks out ie slow to
>> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they
>> ungracious fall
>> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>>
>> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to
>> catch one out.
>> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe
>> from pedal.
>
> That's the opposite of my experience. I used toe clips when
> I first started racing, then for about 5 years after than
> until I switched to Look.
>
> I remember thinking almost immediately how much better it
> was getting in, getting out, more confidence that I wasn't
> going to pop out. I never went back to toe clips after that
> except on an urban bike I used to have (as Andrew notes,
> just so I didn't have to change shoes). I rode those Look
> pedals for about a year until I saw someone with Speedplay.
> I started with those in 1993 and have used them ever since.
>
>>
>>> As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be
>>> able to use my
>>> bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a
>>> store, to a library,
>>> to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change
>>> shoes. For me,
>>> toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work
>>> perfectly. YMMV.
>>>
>> For similar reasons I use flats for the commute, thought
>> much more
>> performance oriented shoes for MTB/Gravel biking.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>

Oh there's video!
End of toeclips at 14:54:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib1WlaTa794

More US Team F-ups at 7:00 BTW.

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/15/2024 4:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 2:36 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>>>> pedals.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>>>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>>>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>>>
>>>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
>>>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes
>>>> with
>>>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
>>>> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>>>>
>>> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie
>>> slow to
>>> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
>>> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>>>
>>> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one
>>> out.
>>> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.
>>
>> That's the opposite of my experience. I used toe clips when I first
>> started racing, then for about 5 years after than until I switched to
>> Look.
>>
>> I remember thinking almost immediately how much better it was getting
>> in, getting out, more confidence that I wasn't going to pop out. I
>> never went back to toe clips after that except on an urban bike I used
>> to have (as Andrew notes, just so I didn't have to change shoes). I
>> rode those Look pedals for about a year until I saw someone with
>> Speedplay. I started with those in 1993 and have used them ever since.
>>
>>>
>>>> As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be able to use my
>>>> bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a store, to a
>>>> library,
>>>> to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change shoes. For me,
>>>> toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work perfectly. YMMV.
>>>>
>>> For similar reasons I use flats for the commute, thought much more
>>> performance oriented shoes for MTB/Gravel biking.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
> You were late to that party.

Yes, I was. During the Fitchburg Longsjo classic in 1986 one of the
riders in the cat 3 field riding next to me pulled out of his Time
pedals accelerating out of the corner. His calf came down on the
chainring and ripped the flesh down the the achilles tendon. That scared
me off of clipless pedals until I saw more and more riders using them
without issues. I finally made the switch in 1991.
>
> Toeclips for competition largely ended the day Dave Grylls threw away a
> gold medal when he pulled out of his clips at the start of the Team
> Pursuit race, LA 1984.
>
> https://www.olympedia.org/results/154547

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:09:26 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>> pedals.
>>>
>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>>
>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>
>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
>> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>>
>It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie slow to
>a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
>sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>
>Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one out.
>At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.

One fall likke that might be enough to frighten an insecure individual
to never try them again.
<snip>
>
>Roger Merriman

On 2/15/2024 10:02 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

<snip>

> If they're friends with you, they probably aren't much brighter than you
> so it makes sense they horribly mismanaged their life. An acquaintance
> of mine is a retired professor of electrical and Computer Engineering at
> Boston university. He's living comfortable in Andover Massachusetts.
> Your presupposition that every retired professor is broke is just
> projection on your part.

I looked at the University of California pension calculator and looked
at the salaries of experienced tenured professors (at Transparent
California).

They take your average monthly earnings for the past 36 months, and
factor in your age and years of employment to calculate your monthly
pension benefit.

An experienced professor at UC makes a little more than $300,000 per
year, or $25,000 per month (higher for the college of law and college of
medicine). If he or she retires at age 60, with 30 years of service,
their monthly pension would be $18,750.

I know one professor who retired from San Jose City College (a community
college) in 2008. According to Transparent California
<https://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/all/>, in 2022 his pension
was over $150K per year.

Can't speak for other States of course, and other states are not as
transparent as California when it comes to public records, but it's
pretty safe to say that retired professors are not suffering financially
if they retire at a reasonable age after a reasonable number of years of
service.

When I was in college, I know that many electrical engineering
professors had summer gigs at tech companies where I assume they were
being well paid.

On 2/15/2024 5:33 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 10:02 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> If they're friends with you, they probably aren't much
>> brighter than you so it makes sense they horribly
>> mismanaged their life. An acquaintance of mine is a
>> retired professor of electrical and Computer Engineering
>> at Boston university. He's living comfortable in Andover
>> Massachusetts. Your presupposition that every retired
>> professor is broke is just projection on your part.
>
> I looked at the University of California pension calculator
> and looked at the salaries of experienced tenured professors
> (at Transparent California).
>
> They take your average monthly earnings for the past 36
> months, and factor in your age and years of employment to
> calculate your monthly pension benefit.
>
> An experienced professor at UC makes a little more than
> $300,000 per year, or $25,000 per month (higher for the
> college of law and college of medicine). If he or she
> retires at age 60, with 30 years of service, their monthly
> pension would be $18,750.
>
> I know one professor who retired from San Jose City College
> (a community college) in 2008. According to Transparent
> California
> <https://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/all/>, in 2022
> his pension was over $150K per year.
>
> Can't speak for other States of course, and other states are
> not as transparent as California when it comes to public
> records, but it's pretty safe to say that retired professors
> are not suffering financially if they retire at a reasonable
> age after a reasonable number of years of service.
>
> When I was in college, I know that many electrical
> engineering professors had summer gigs at tech companies
> where I assume they were being well paid.
>

Makes free medical for illegals look cheap!
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On 2/15/2024 12:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>
> He said he was "riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic
> during a pouring thunderstorm."
>
> Why would anyone post such a detailed anecdote if not to brag.

I posted that because some people here had claimed I rode only in my
suburban village.

According to this yapping Floridian Yorkshire terrier, I'm not allowed
to refute lies.

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On 2/15/2024 12:58 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:32:07 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>> I have no idea of Frank uses clipless or not yes he has an old bike but
>> clipless isn’t that new technology by any means.
>
> He's said several times that he does not use clipless, and he seems to
> profess the notion that the only reason that people don't do something
> is because they're afraid to do it.

No, that's not true. I profess the notion that the only reason our
Florida tricycle rider doesn't do something is because he's afraid of
doing it. Most other people are much less timid. They usually have more
logical reasons for their choices.

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On 2/15/2024 1:54 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>>>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>>>> street view:
>>>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>>>
>>> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
>>> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
>>> irrespective of when it was built.
>>
>> You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.
>>
>> First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
>> lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
>> protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."
>>
>> Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?
>
> It’s more it’s not connected to the other cycle lanes on Fifth Avenue and
> has fairly poor entry and exit I’m assuming it is at least single
> direction?

Nope. It's definitely bi-directional. It was shown that way right from
the beginning, in the conceptual drawings presented in a public meeting.
That's one of the many factors cyclists complained about from the start
when it was just a concept looking for grant funding.

> Exit in particular looks like exiting the kerb? While checking
> for turning traffic? Seems an accident waiting to happen really!

That's true of the exit heading east, toward town center, for those
wrong-way cyclists. BTW, those would be the least knowledgeable
cyclists, giving them a real puzzle. Those with better knowledge would
ride as I do, in the normal lanes.

> North West Avenue seems to be where most cyclists would ride to/from
> looking at the heat map.
>
>>
>> The street was perfectly fine before that mess was installed. It's worse
>> now because of it.
>>
> Seems poorly implemented with the caveat of viewing by street view!

It is poor indeed.

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- Frank Krygowski

On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>> pedals.
>>>
>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>>
>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>
>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
>> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>>
> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie slow to
> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>
> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one out.
> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.

Yes, I use toe clips and straps with flat soled shoes, including my
cycling shoes.

But in my time trial days, I used toe clips and straps with cycling
shoes plus cleats - the blocky cleats that grabbed an edge of the pedal.
Something like this:
https://steel-vintage.com/products/classic-pedal-cleats-detail

With those, one had to reach down and loosen the leather strap before
freeing one's foot from the pedal. Since I used them only for the time
trials, it wasn't hard to remember. I'd have too little strength to
stand at the end of a time trial anyway, so I'd be riding in circles for
a while until I caught my breath. Plenty of time to loosen straps.

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On 2/15/2024 3:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> Makes free medical for illegals look cheap!

The alternative is worse. That's why, in 1986, President Reagan signed
the law that requires hospitals to treat poor people and illegal aliens.
It was called the "Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act." It
requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care
regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or legal status. It
applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is nearly every
hospital.

Hopefully you realize just exactly which entities are behind allowing
more illegal immigration into the U.S., and why. Agribusiness,
construction interests, and hospitality companies, contribute big bucks
to politicians to ensure constant flow of illegal immigrants that can be
easily exploited.

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:38:52 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 1:54 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>>>>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>>>>> street view:
>>>>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>>>>
>>>> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
>>>> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
>>>> irrespective of when it was built.
>>>
>>> You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.
>>>
>>> First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
>>> lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
>>> protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."
>>>
>>> Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?
>>
>> It’s more it’s not connected to the other cycle lanes on Fifth Avenue and
>> has fairly poor entry and exit I’m assuming it is at least single
>> direction?
>
>Nope. It's definitely bi-directional. It was shown that way right from
>the beginning, in the conceptual drawings presented in a public meeting.
>That's one of the many factors cyclists complained about from the start
>when it was just a concept looking for grant funding.

Anorther undocumented claim.

What cyclists complained about it?

...and why complain? One doesn't have to use it if they're afraid of
it.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:01:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 3:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>>>> pedals.
>>>>
>>>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>>>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>>>
>>> The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
>>> inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
>>> Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.
>>>
>>> About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
>>> them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
>>> cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
>>> person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.
>>>
>> It’s the exiting from the clipless that seems to catch folks out ie slow to
>> a stop, turn foot to un clip and it doesn’t so they ungracious fall
>> sideways at least that’s the reputation.
>>
>> Clips are from memory a fair bit easier and less likely to catch one out.
>> At least in terms of not being able to remove your shoe from pedal.
>
>Yes, I use toe clips and straps with flat soled shoes, including my
>cycling shoes.
>
>But in my time trial days, I used toe clips and straps with cycling
>shoes plus cleats - the blocky cleats that grabbed an edge of the pedal.
>Something like this:
>https://steel-vintage.com/products/classic-pedal-cleats-detail
>
>With those, one had to reach down and loosen the leather strap before
>freeing one's foot from the pedal. Since I used them only for the time
>trials, it wasn't hard to remember. I'd have too little strength to
>stand at the end of a time trial anyway, so I'd be riding in circles for
>a while until I caught my breath. Plenty of time to loosen straps.

<SIGH> Another undocumented claim from Krygowski. I'll believe it when
he posts a picture of him using them.

I'm wondering, why he claimed to have needed "plenty of time to loosen
straps." Does it take time to reach down and flick the strap buckle on
one side so you can put your foot down and stop. It also seems to me
that stopping and putting one's foot down takes less strength than
riding around in circles.

Frankly, I think the whole story is a fabrication.

The reference to having to remember them might be a clue as to why he
rejects clipless pedals. Forgetting that you're clipped in can be very
embarrassing, and narcissists don't like being embarrassed.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:34:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 12:58 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:32:07 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I have no idea of Frank uses clipless or not yes he has an old bike but
>>> clipless isn’t that new technology by any means.
>>
>> He's said several times that he does not use clipless, and he seems to
>> profess the notion that the only reason that people don't do something
>> is because they're afraid to do it.
>
>No, that's not true. I profess the notion that the only reason our
>Florida tricycle rider doesn't do something is because he's afraid of
>doing it. Most other people are much less timid. They usually have more
>logical reasons for their choices.

As I said, and Krygowski verified above, he believes that the only
reason that people don't do something is because they're afraid to do
it.

....and yet, he doesn't use clipless pedals, nor own a gun.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:58:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 12:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>> He said he was "riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic
>> during a pouring thunderstorm."
>>
>> Why would anyone post such a detailed anecdote if not to brag.
>
>I posted that because some people here had claimed I rode only in my
>suburban village.

....and you just had to add that you rode "in 5 PM Friday rush hour
traffic during a pouring thunderstorm," didn't you?

>According to this yapping Floridian Yorkshire terrier, I'm not allowed
>to refute lies.

Bragging and exaggerating is such second nature to a narcissist that
they don't even know when they're doing it.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 1:54 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>>>>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>>>>> street view:
>>>>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>>>>
>>>> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
>>>> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
>>>> irrespective of when it was built.
>>>
>>> You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.
>>>
>>> First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
>>> lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
>>> protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."
>>>
>>> Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?
>>
>> It’s more it’s not connected to the other cycle lanes on Fifth Avenue and
>> has fairly poor entry and exit I’m assuming it is at least single
>> direction?
>
> Nope. It's definitely bi-directional. It was shown that way right from
> the beginning, in the conceptual drawings presented in a public meeting.
> That's one of the many factors cyclists complained about from the start
> when it was just a concept looking for grant funding.

On my thats um really not thought through, if it’s a bi-direction needs to
be easy to enter exit. Do have some broadly similar ie need to cross to a
short cycleway/path and then cross the road back, unsurprising these are
quite old and tic box examples and rarely used.

Though one does connect wee park and school so do see small kids so has
that use I guess!
>
>> Exit in particular looks like exiting the kerb? While checking
>> for turning traffic? Seems an accident waiting to happen really!
>
> That's true of the exit heading east, toward town center, for those
> wrong-way cyclists. BTW, those would be the least knowledgeable
> cyclists, giving them a real puzzle. Those with better knowledge would
> ride as I do, in the normal lanes.

The junction into North West Avenue would put me off, ie need to check
behind as you turn and exit the kerb.
>
>> North West Avenue seems to be where most cyclists would ride to/from
>> looking at the heat map.
>>
>>>
>>> The street was perfectly fine before that mess was installed. It's worse
>>> now because of it.
>>>
>> Seems poorly implemented with the caveat of viewing by street view!
>
> It is poor indeed.
>

Roger Merriman

Am Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:

>On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>> visit.
>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>
>>> It's scary! :-)
>>
>> You have family in Cologne?
>
>Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>roads.

Right. But it's little more complicated to explain, at least in this
case. Reason is, that very connection it almost optimal for establishing
the narrative told by segregation fans. But as always, the devil is in
the details.

Bonn and Cologne are located at the Rhine river. Rivers don't have
towpaths for a long time now, riverside ways are now popular, instead.
These most often are broad, free of crossings and are popular as wide
promenades near and within cities, mostly car traffic free, for these
reasons. You need a bridge to cross a river, though, spanning both this
promenade and the river. In other words, the paths that run alongside
rivers, canals or coastlines deliver exactly what fans of cycle paths
want, namely ultimate separation.

Unfortunately, as one might easily guess, using that as a general model
for "biycle infrastructure" is grossly misleading, because most trips
neither start nor end at a river and even when they do, riding along a
river promenade most often isn't the best choice, or even good choice.

Often that route is neither continuous, nor safe, nor fast enough,
especially for longer trips. My long time commute crossing the Rhine,
for example, was essentially riding through the city to the central of
three bridges, crossing the river and then finally riding up an ascent
to a local hill at the edge of the Siebengebirge. Dig up a river and
they will come? Sorry, just kidding.

Earnestly, even in this almost ideal example for bike infrastructure
advocates, finding an optimal route for a road bicyclce gets you a route
not touching that riverside course, because there are many better routes
that avoid the river meanders and avoid most of its twists and turns.

Unfortunately, those better roads often got inferiour, but mandatory
"bicycle infrastructure", and so are usuable only for those who have
enough thick skin (and riding capabilities) for handing the harrasments
to be expected.

In short: that very infrastructure creates a lot of pain and fear that
makes people cry for more.

It is quite easy to demonstrate this practically with a routing software
of your choice. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader, for now.

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On 2/16/2024 4:13 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:58:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/2024 12:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>
>>> He said he was "riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic
>>> during a pouring thunderstorm."
>>>
>>> Why would anyone post such a detailed anecdote if not to brag.
>>
>> I posted that because some people here had claimed I rode only in my
>> suburban village.
>
> ...and you just had to add that you rode "in 5 PM Friday rush hour
> traffic during a pouring thunderstorm," didn't you?
>
>> According to this yapping Floridian Yorkshire terrier, I'm not allowed
>> to refute lies.
>
> Bragging and exaggerating is such second nature to a narcissist that
> they don't even know when they're doing it.

lol...kitty yapping at frank once again begging for his attention and
acceptance

You chased him around looking for his latest posts and it this thread
posted three nonsensical whiny (and frankly embarrassing) posts designed
only to get his attention that you're so desperate for

4:09 AM
4:11 AM
4:13 am

Talk about having a life so pathetic and empty you have nothing better
to do that chase another person around the web.
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On 2/16/2024 1:10 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 3:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Makes free medical for illegals look cheap!
>
> The alternative is worse. That's why, in 1986, President Reagan signed
> the law that requires hospitals to treat poor people and illegal aliens.
> It was called the "Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act." It
> requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care
> regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or legal status. It
> applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is nearly every
> hospital.
>
> Hopefully you realize just exactly which entities are behind allowing
> more illegal immigration into the U.S., and why. Agribusiness,
> construction interests, and hospitality companies, contribute big bucks
> to politicians to ensure constant flow of illegal immigrants that can be
> easily exploited.
>

+1

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2021/11/17/the-trump-organization-sought-to-hire-87-foreign-workers-at-mar-a-lago-this-year
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