On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:23:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2024 10:11 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/17/2024 6:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2024 9:33 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2024 1:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Government services for the actual taxpayers? Surely
>>>>>> you jest!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2835683/nyc-plans-to-give-pre-paid-credit-cards-to-migrants-to-tune-of-53-million/
>>>>>
>>>>> No wonder the borders are full of folks trying to get
>>>>> across. -) Free
>>>>> money, dinner in the big hotels...
>>>>
>>>> It's terrible. Of course it's not actually true, like
>>>> most "news" in the Washington Examiner or New York Post.
>>>>
>>>> No credit cards are being given out. It's debit cards
>>>> that can be used for food and baby supplies. They will
>>>> replace the food boxes that are currently being supplied
>>>> to those in need and will save an estimated $7.2 million
>>>> annually.
>>>>
>>>> Too many people that lack critical thinking skills will
>>>> believe social media posts or stories in right-wing media
>>>> outlets, without doing any fact checking.
>>>
>>> Right, like the free new cars allegedly being given to
>>> illegal immigrants
>>
>> I wonder how many of those rumors are started by Russian
>> troll farms.
>>
>
>I for one had not heard nor read that.
>The long list of outrages is enough without writing fiction.

+1

On 2/17/2024 12:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 10:11 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wonder how many of those rumors are started by Russian troll farms.
>>
>
> I for one had not heard nor read that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/17/2024 12:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> When there is no bike lane stripe or barrier, the total width of asphalt
>> is the same, but the _clean_ width is greater. Motorists do occasionally
>> drive over the rightmost part of the pavement when there are no cyclists
>> there. The motorists' tires and moving air tend to kick debris off the
>> road. Cyclists should give thanks for a service they provide for free.
>>
>> With a paint stripe, the debris layer begins maybe 6" to 12" to the
>> right of the stripe. With concrete barriers, it begins immediately at
>> the barrier. That's unless the jurisdiction spent money for equipment
>> and manpower to keep things swept, which is very rare IME.
>>
> This is all true but in my experience the debris comes from motorists, the
> old cycleway which is some distance from the road bar one flyover where it
> gets a light coating in glass/plastic and sand!
>
> But rest of it stays fairly clean only needing really vegetation cut back,
> or leaves swept away which seems to happen maybe twice a year?

Correct, most (not all) obstructions and debris have to do with
motoring, so paths well separated from roadways have much less. But IME
those well separated paths are much more seldom installed, probably
because of land acquisition problems and costs. And if they are still
closely parallel to the roadway, they cause problems at intersections,
where cyclists will be crossing side streets in surprising locations
where turning motorists are accelerating away from their turns.

The segregation demands I hear are almost always for bike lanes that use
the original roadway pavement, but are "protected" by at the very least,
paint stripes. The loudest cries are for posts and/or concrete. That
sort of facility does fall victim to road debris.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 12:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> When there is no bike lane stripe or barrier, the total width of asphalt
>>> is the same, but the _clean_ width is greater. Motorists do occasionally
>>> drive over the rightmost part of the pavement when there are no cyclists
>>> there. The motorists' tires and moving air tend to kick debris off the
>>> road. Cyclists should give thanks for a service they provide for free.
>>>
>>> With a paint stripe, the debris layer begins maybe 6" to 12" to the
>>> right of the stripe. With concrete barriers, it begins immediately at
>>> the barrier. That's unless the jurisdiction spent money for equipment
>>> and manpower to keep things swept, which is very rare IME.
>>>
>> This is all true but in my experience the debris comes from motorists, the
>> old cycleway which is some distance from the road bar one flyover where it
>> gets a light coating in glass/plastic and sand!
>>
>> But rest of it stays fairly clean only needing really vegetation cut back,
>> or leaves swept away which seems to happen maybe twice a year?
>
> Correct, most (not all) obstructions and debris have to do with
> motoring, so paths well separated from roadways have much less. But IME
> those well separated paths are much more seldom installed, probably
> because of land acquisition problems and costs. And if they are still
> closely parallel to the roadway, they cause problems at intersections,
> where cyclists will be crossing side streets in surprising locations
> where turning motorists are accelerating away from their turns.
>
> The segregation demands I hear are almost always for bike lanes that use
> the original roadway pavement, but are "protected" by at the very least,
> paint stripes. The loudest cries are for posts and/or concrete. That
> sort of facility does fall victim to road debris.
>
Those seem to get cleaned fairly regularly, or at least I have seen the wee
sweeper vans being used. This said at urban speeds the debris doesn’t seem
to spray that far, I’d expect the Embankment for example to be largely
clear for that reason as it’s mostly separated a few feet so enough to be
clear or motor debris, and indeed I can’t recall seeing anything other than
a few leaves in the Autumn.

Others with less distance separated them would get more spray and require
more frequent cleaning though lot of these not only are major routes in but
touristy in some sections ie they will be cleaned very frequently and have
rapid responses to any reports.

As with most things you have to plan these things out which include
maintenance and cleaning. Or your setting yourself up to fail.

Roger Merriman

On 2/17/2024 3:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

<snip>

> Right, like the free new cars allegedly being given to illegal immigrants

Donald Trump said that Democrats want to give illegal immigrants cars.
This was on October 18th 2018 in Mesa Arizona. He did not say that they
were necessarily new cars, but he did ask if the cars would be Rolls Royces.

Trump says a lot of stupid things, and unfortunately some of his minions
believe him.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
> is often not the same thing.

<snip>

True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
Post, and the Epoch times.

Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2/17/2024 6:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> As with most things you have to plan these things out which include
> maintenance and cleaning. Or your setting yourself up to fail.

Yes. It would be a bit better if they would plan and budget for
maintenance.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
>> is often not the same thing.
>
><snip>
>
>True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
>publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
>Post, and the Epoch times.
>
>Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
>not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
>fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.

Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 6:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>
>> As with most things you have to plan these things out which include
>> maintenance and cleaning. Or your setting yourself up to fail.
>
> Yes. It would be a bit better if they would plan and budget for
> maintenance.
>

Since cycle infrastructure tends to be urban roads so do tend to get
regular cleaning both the road way and pavement, and if not? Why not?

Yes London has some mini sweeper vans they can use on the segregated
cycleways but I’ve seen them cleaned pavements etc as well so clearly not
just for them.

Roger Merriman

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 3:55:38 AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
> >> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
> >> is often not the same thing.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
> >publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
> >Post, and the Epoch times.
> >
> >Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
> >not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
> >fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
> Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"

Yup, that, and democrats are trying to take your guns, biden wants open borders, the government is giving free cars to illegal immigrants, there's a pizza place in washing DC where deocrats a running a child sex slve ring....the list goes on.

On 2/18/2024 5:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/17/2024 6:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>
>>> As with most things you have to plan these things out which include
>>> maintenance and cleaning. Or your setting yourself up to fail.
>>
>> Yes. It would be a bit better if they would plan and budget for
>> maintenance.
>>
>
> Since cycle infrastructure tends to be urban roads so do tend to get
> regular cleaning both the road way and pavement, and if not? Why not?

Roads in our area seem to get swept twice per year. That's enough for
motor vehicle passage, since car tires are not harmed by (say) 1/4" bits
of broken glass. It's not enough for bike facilities.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/17/2024 3:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 12:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/17/2024 10:11 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how many of those rumors are started by Russian
>>> troll farms.
>>>
>>
>> I for one had not heard nor read that.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
>

To be clear, my comment pertained to the snipped subject,
"free new cars allegedly being given to illegal immigrants",
not to the perhaps negligible Russian web efforts.

IMHO Russian and other post-Soviet criminals are extremely
skilled and ruthlessly effective in financial manipulation
and web wrecking but not so much in opinion influence. Your
opinion may differ, which is fine, as much is speculative in
that regard.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/17/2024 7:19 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 3:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Right, like the free new cars allegedly being given to
>> illegal immigrants
>
> Donald Trump said that Democrats want to give illegal
> immigrants cars. This was on October 18th 2018 in Mesa
> Arizona. He did not say that they were necessarily new cars,
> but he did ask if the cars would be Rolls Royces.
>
> Trump says a lot of stupid things, and unfortunately some of
> his minions believe him.
>

AFAIK you are right; there are no government programs for
free autos at this time. There are charities doing that now:
https://www.ridesforrefugees.org/

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/17/2024 7:26 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more
>> and more,
>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the
>> average guy knows
>> is often not the same thing.
>
> <snip>
>
> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from
> right-wing publications like The Washington Examiner,
> Washington Times, New York Post, and the Epoch times.
>
> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain
> that you're not getting the whole story and it's a good idea
> to run it through a fact checker, at least if you actually
> care to know the truth.
>

Rant duly noted.

Then again, apparently people who "read" the New York Times
lack comprehension or retention as a brief summary of their
recent reportage (and WaPo's) in March 2017 caused an uproar
when consolidated into a brief summary:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/05/mark_levin_the_evidence_is_overwhelming_that_obama_spied_on_trump.html#!
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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/18/2024 2:55 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
>>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
>>> is often not the same thing.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
>> publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
>> Post, and the Epoch times.
>>
>> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
>> not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
>> fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
>
>
> Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"

Exactly.

The Administrative State within our US government is more a
threat to the nation than all the Russians together:

https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/news/cia-and-foreign-intelligence-agencies-illegally-targeted-26-trump-associates-before-2016-russia-collusion-claims-report/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/18/2024 7:35 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 3:55:38 AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
>>>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
>>>> is often not the same thing.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
>>> publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
>>> Post, and the Epoch times.
>>>
>>> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
>>> not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
>>> fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
>> Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"
>
> Yup, that, and democrats are trying to take your guns, biden wants open borders, the government is giving free cars to illegal immigrants, there's a pizza place in washing DC where deocrats a running a child sex slve ring....the list goes on.

uh, you conflated actual policy positions with pure idiotic
fantasy there.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/18/2024 5:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2024 6:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As with most things you have to plan these things out which include
>>>> maintenance and cleaning. Or your setting yourself up to fail.
>>>
>>> Yes. It would be a bit better if they would plan and budget for
>>> maintenance.
>>>
>>
>> Since cycle infrastructure tends to be urban roads so do tend to get
>> regular cleaning both the road way and pavement, and if not? Why not?
>
> Roads in our area seem to get swept twice per year. That's enough for
> motor vehicle passage, since car tires are not harmed by (say) 1/4" bits
> of broken glass. It's not enough for bike facilities.
>
If true that’s quite significantly less than london or even surrounding
areas sweep/litter pick etc which is at least monthly.

Nor limited to places like London or home countries even the Welsh Valley
towns which are closer to Youngstown ie coal and steel towns very similarly
date of founding and so on, and largest is close ish to Youngstown in size.

Even Tom’s hell hole gets regularly street cleaning would seem! Ie at least
twice a month, this seems to be a Youngstown or perhaps rust belt thing?
I’m aware that American city can get more dilapidated due to well political
choices.

That’s not to say that for example the Welsh Valleys aren’t in places Grim
and have empty streets and so on, but services are generally maintained.

Roger Merriman

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 5:19:14 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 3:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Right, like the free new cars allegedly being given to illegal immigrants
> Donald Trump said that Democrats want to give illegal immigrants cars.
> This was on October 18th 2018 in Mesa Arizona. He did not say that they
> were necessarily new cars, but he did ask if the cars would be Rolls Royces.
>
> Trump says a lot of stupid things, and unfortunately some of his minions
> believe him.
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

I never saw Trump say anything about it but I did hear Gavin Loathsome say that they should have cars so that they could get to work. And my next door neighbors turned up with new cars - they aren't new anymore but they were after they got here. California now has a $68 BILLION deficit and states are not supposed to have deficits. California only has a $300 Billion gross domestic product now and every day more and more businesses are running for other states. Famous restaurants are closing by the dozens. Breakfast joints are even getting scarce. I looked for a place yesterday morning as I tried to take my wife out to breakfast every place had lines out the doors and waiting in the rain. I finally remembered a little Vietnamese place that had a seating. But despite being the cheapest place around, the cost of bacon and eggs, coffee and tea, was $30

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 5:26:25 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
> > largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
> > is often not the same thing.
> <snip>
>
> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
> publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
> Post, and the Epoch times.
>
> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
> not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
> fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Steven, wake up. It was NOT a myth that California taxpayers were paying for cars for illegal aliens. How the hell can you not know that when my NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS got new cars! These people are washing dishes in restaurants! How do they get a new Ford and Honda SUV?

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:35:48 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 3:55:38 AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
> > >> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
> > >> is often not the same thing.
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
> > >publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
> > >Post, and the Epoch times.
> > >
> > >Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
> > >not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
> > >fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
> > Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"
> Yup, that, and democrats are trying to take your guns, biden wants open borders, the government is giving free cars to illegal immigrants, there's a pizza place in washing DC where deocrats a running a child sex slve ring.....the list goes on.

Are you REALLY that stupid? https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/biden-announces-new-gun-control-measures-heres-what-his-executive-order-will-do/?sh=1d6105bf4db0

Funny how the Supreme Court has had something like TEN gun control bills that they have had to turn back! I suggest that your mental condition is now so low that there isn't anything you won't lie about. Until the Republicans announced the FISA bill coming into Congress, the Democrats wanted to monitor EVERY single communication in this country and ALREADY the CIA is monitoring every single communication outside of the US. You claim to be an EE and you will deny that the FISA bill isn't to monitor YOUR communications. And education has turned to absolute garbage under the Democrats. They want kids to NOT know how to read and write. YOU are and idiot of the first water!

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2024 2:55 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
> >>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
> >>> is often not the same thing.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
> >> publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
> >> Post, and the Epoch times.
> >>
> >> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
> >> not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
> >> fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
> >
> >
> > Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"
> Exactly.
>
> The Administrative State within our US government is more a
> threat to the nation than all the Russians together:
>
> https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/news/cia-and-foreign-intelligence-agencies-illegally-targeted-26-trump-associates-before-2016-russia-collusion-claims-report/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

These people do not understand what is going on and they DO NOT BELIEVE it is happening. They are monitoring EVERY communication in the world and they don't believe it is possible.

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:33:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/18/2024 2:55 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:26:21 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/2024 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Yes, you may "know" this and I may "know" this, but, more and more,
>>>> largely through the advent of the Internet, what the average guy knows
>>>> is often not the same thing.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> True. Sadly, too many people believe the fake news from right-wing
>>> publications like The Washington Examiner, Washington Times, New York
>>> Post, and the Epoch times.
>>>
>>> Anytime a story seems far-fetched you can be pretty certain that you're
>>> not getting the whole story and it's a good idea to run it through a
>>> fact checker, at least if you actually care to know the truth.
>>
>>
>> Do you mean like the Trump_Russia_Piss_recordings?"
>
>
>Exactly.
>
>The Administrative State within our US government is more a
>threat to the nation than all the Russians together:
>
>https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/news/cia-and-foreign-intelligence-agencies-illegally-targeted-26-trump-associates-before-2016-russia-collusion-claims-report/

+1

On 2/18/2024 12:54 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 5:19:14 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
>>
>> Donald Trump said that Democrats want to give illegal immigrants cars.
>> This was on October 18th 2018 in Mesa Arizona. He did not say that they
>> were necessarily new cars, but he did ask if the cars would be Rolls Royces.
>>
>> Trump says a lot of stupid things, and unfortunately some of his minions
>> believe him.
>
> I never saw Trump say anything about it but I did hear Gavin Loathsome say that they should have cars so that they could get to work. And my next door neighbors turned up with new cars - they aren't new anymore but they were after they got here.

Did you ask your neighbors about their new cars? Seems easy enough to do.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/18/2024 12:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Steven, wake up. It was NOT a myth that California taxpayers were paying for cars for illegal aliens. How the hell can you not know that when my NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS got new cars! These people are washing dishes in restaurants! How do they get a new Ford and Honda SUV?

Did you ask them? Seems easy enough, if you can be temporarily civil.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/18/2024 1:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> These people do not understand what is going on and they DO NOT BELIEVE it is happening. They are monitoring EVERY communication in the world and they don't believe it is possible.

Better stop posting, Tom!!!

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