On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>> >
>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>> >measuring success?
>>> >
>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>> >
>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>
>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>
>>
>>
>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>
>
>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>he regrets doing or not doing?

I recently came cross some numbers:

Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.

https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
$177,400

Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
is driven to disparage others.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.

There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.

-Luns

On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>
> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.

Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
riding a bike. But for cyclists riding in real world urban or suburban
surroundings, triggering traffic lights is a skill worth learning. (And
I'll note the Ohio Bicycle Federation successfully lobbied for a law
that allows cyclists to carefully proceed past red lights that don't
change.)

Around here, at least, the vast majority of traffic sensors are
inductive loops buried in the pavement. It's worth learning the best
placement of one's bicycle for the different loop patterns. And
generally, if an inductive loop fails to detect you, there are tricks
you can use to increase your chances of success.

Cameras are now gaining popularity. If a camera detector doesn't work,
there are some ways that can help your odds. We can discuss details if
people like.

But I'll warn, the discussion might not involve right wing politics,
guns or insults! Would it still be appropriate here?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:17:25 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
>>https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA

>Nope no dam

This shows the dam and spillway.
<https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70385425,-122.05525804,81.20348933a,126.35610161d,35y,61.89189098h,60.41275115t,0r/data=OgMKATA>
Looking back in time with Google Earth Pro, I find that the area
behind the dam was flooded up to about 2019. I found some photos that
showed quite a bit of mud in the area formerly flooded with water.
There's a small pond in the upper left which I guess is the remains of
the water. No clue where Tom's bicycle path is located.
<https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70521068,-122.05524783,76.4840557a,480.82115293d,35y,34.38173018h,60.15388337t,0.00000085r/data=OgMKATA>

>>Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
>>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783

>Nope. No sign.

I keep looking at the Google Earth photos and the photo of the sign.
It might seem like the same place but I can't be certain. Facebook
strips off the EXIF info from all photos so I can't verify the
location. There's no mud visible in the facebook photo.

Tom, if you had posted that link to your photo 12 times since you
posted it to Facebook on Jan 3, your critics and I would have surely
seen it and add appropriate comments. I did a quick search with
Google Groups for the Facebook URL.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto%2F%3Ffbid%3D1063064831504932%26set%3Dpob.100034042758783+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
Nothing found except John's posting. Tom, you're lying (again).

There's also a problem with the Facebook photo. The sign does not
show a shadow while the small trees behind it show very distinctive
shadows. I would call this a bad fake photo.

There might be a problem with my Usenet news provider, Supernews. It
might also be a problem on Tom's end because he just switched to
NewsHosting.com. The only reason I saw his article was that it was
partially included with John's reply. Tom's article did appear in
Google Groups as:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QfPkRcblWoU/m/NjW-v2kWAQAJ>
No clue what happened but I'll try to find out tomorrow.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>>> >
>>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>>> >measuring success?
>>>> >
>>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>>
>>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>>
>>
>>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>>he regrets doing or not doing?
>
>I recently came cross some numbers:
>
>Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.
>
>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
>Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
>$177,400
>
>Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
>is driven to disparage others.

Got a degree, then did nothing with it but stand in front of a
competition free classroom where nobody is going to evaluate his
performance. Riding his bicycle only in group rides or trips to his
job or the grocery store. All he's got to brag about is, "Hey, I can
ride a bicycle pretty good.

Deep down he knows he's a namby-pamby.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>>
>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>
>Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
>riding a bike.

Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
and dismount your bicycle.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:17:25 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>>>> >measuring success?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>>>he regrets doing or not doing?
>>
>>I recently came cross some numbers:
>>
>>Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
>>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>>A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.
>>
>>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>>https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
>>Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
>>$177,400
>>
>>Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
>>is driven to disparage others.
>
>Got a degree, then did nothing with it but stand in front of a
>competition free classroom where nobody is going to evaluate his
>performance. Riding his bicycle only in group rides or trips to his
>job or the grocery store. All he's got to brag about is, "Hey, I can
>ride a bicycle pretty good.
>
>Deep down he knows he's a namby-pamby.

But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
- license but never mentions attending collage.
https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/20/2024 10:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I
>>>> can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change
>>>> or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>>
>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is
>> detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle
>> will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two full
>> cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent instance
>> I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from Windemere
>> Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know if I've
>> waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to anticipate this
>> when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off my bike to cross
>> as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>
> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
> riding a bike. But for cyclists riding in real world urban or suburban
> surroundings, triggering traffic lights is a skill worth learning. (And
> I'll note the Ohio Bicycle Federation successfully lobbied for a law
> that allows cyclists to carefully proceed past red lights that don't
> change.)
>
> Around here, at least, the vast majority of traffic sensors are
> inductive loops buried in the pavement. It's worth learning the best
> placement of one's bicycle for the different loop patterns. And
> generally, if an inductive loop fails to detect you, there are tricks
> you can use to increase your chances of success.

What tom glossed over in his rant about waiting for the light to change
is that he was waiting for the crosswalk after he pressed the button.

>
> Cameras are now gaining popularity. If a camera detector doesn't work,
> there are some ways that can help your odds. We can discuss details if
> people like.
>
> But I'll warn, the discussion might not involve right wing politics,
> guns or insults! Would it still be appropriate here?
>

On 2/21/2024 3:18 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>>>
>>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>>
>> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
>> riding a bike.
>
> Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
> and dismount your bicycle.

Maybe if you took that class you wouldnt need to ride a tricycle

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:17:25 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>>>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>>>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>>>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>>>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>>>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>>>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>>>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>>>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>>>>> >measuring success?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>>>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>>>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>>>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>>>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>>>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>>>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>>>>he regrets doing or not doing?
>>>
>>>I recently came cross some numbers:
>>>
>>>Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
>>>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>>>A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.
>>>
>>>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>>>https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
>>>Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
>>>$177,400
>>>
>>>Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
>>>is driven to disparage others.
>>
>>Got a degree, then did nothing with it but stand in front of a
>>competition free classroom where nobody is going to evaluate his
>>performance. Riding his bicycle only in group rides or trips to his
>>job or the grocery store. All he's got to brag about is, "Hey, I can
>>ride a bicycle pretty good.
>>
>>Deep down he knows he's a namby-pamby.
>
>But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
>- license but never mentions attending collage.
>https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/

Interesting question...

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:40:59 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:17:25 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>>>>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>>>>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>>>>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>>>>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>>>>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>>>>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>>>>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>>>>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>>>>>> >measuring success?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>>>>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>>>>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>>>>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>>>>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>>>>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>>>>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>>>>>he regrets doing or not doing?
>>>>
>>>>I recently came cross some numbers:
>>>>
>>>>Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
>>>>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>>>>A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.
>>>>
>>>>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>>>>https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
>>>>Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
>>>>$177,400
>>>>
>>>>Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
>>>>is driven to disparage others.
>>>
>>>Got a degree, then did nothing with it but stand in front of a
>>>competition free classroom where nobody is going to evaluate his
>>>performance. Riding his bicycle only in group rides or trips to his
>>>job or the grocery store. All he's got to brag about is, "Hey, I can
>>>ride a bicycle pretty good.
>>>
>>>Deep down he knows he's a namby-pamby.
>>
>>But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
>>- license but never mentions attending collage.
>>https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/
>
>
>Interesting question...

Does he even have a PE licence?

On 2/21/2024 6:01 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 2/21/2024 3:18 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I
>>>>>> can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change
>>>>>> or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>>>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>>>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>>>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>>>>
>>>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is
>>>> detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle
>>>> will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two
>>>> full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent
>>>> instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from
>>>> Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know
>>>> if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to
>>>> anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off
>>>> my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>>>
>>> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
>>> riding a bike.
>>
>> Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
>> and dismount your bicycle.
>
>  Maybe if you took that class you wouldnt need to ride a tricycle

+1

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:26:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/21/2024 6:01 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 2/21/2024 3:18 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I
>>>>>>> can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change
>>>>>>> or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>>>>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>>>>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>>>>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is
>>>>> detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle
>>>>> will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two
>>>>> full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent
>>>>> instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from
>>>>> Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know
>>>>> if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to
>>>>> anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off
>>>>> my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>>>>
>>>> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
>>>> riding a bike.
>>>
>>> Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
>>> and dismount your bicycle.
>>
>>  Maybe if you took that class you wouldnt need to ride a tricycle
>
>+1

I'm pretty sure I was riding a two wheel bicycle before either of you
two sissy-boys were potty trained.

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 4:17:32 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 2:11:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:45:57 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >So I was wrong when I said that the Cull Canyon Dam had been filed in completely with mud?
> >> Yes, you were wrong, as usual.
> >> >That they had a SIGN saying "Keep out, deep mud"?
> >> Show me a photo of that sign and the mud and I might believe you.
> >>
> >> Oh wait. I may have found photos of your mud and sign. Is this it?
> >> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-sign-with-22keep-out---deep-mud22-in-a-muddy-pond/1-65d51d7812ff418fbad24ca910768c5c>
> >> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-sign-with-22keep-out---deep-mud22-in-a-muddy-pond-/1-65d51e826ada44e2ab065011057db456>
> >> >If you conwsider about an average of one completed project a year to be a short list over a 50 year career I suppose it is a short list.
> >> 50 year? Your online resume shows your career started in 1984 and
> >> ended in 2014. That would be 30 years (minus 4 years to recover from
> >> a bicycle accident).
> >> >Perhaps you can tell me one project you've EVER completed.
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
> >> I believe that I may have offered to provide you with a list of
> >> products I helped design. I need to leave now for a final eye
> >> inspection with my ophthalmologist. I'll see if I can find my product
> >> list or create a new one. Remind me if I forget.
> >> >The problem is that you're all mouth.
> >> Text to speech software can help you hear what my mouth produces.
> >> >And I would shut it for you if your vaccinations weren't going to do all of the work instead.
> >> Poorly veiled threat. I'll ignoring it.
> >> >Why don't you "prove" that the vaccinations haven't increased cancer 4 fold by showing us a graph of cancers between 1975 and 2020?
> >> Because you were the liar who made that claim and then didn't bother
> >> citing your sources or providing any substantiation. Do you really
> >> expect me to prove YOUR points? You also didn't bother reading the
> >> two links I provided that explains why cancer statistics during the
> >> years of the pandemic were problematic.
> >> --
> >> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> >Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
> >
> >https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA
> Nope no dam
> >
> >Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
> >
> >https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783
> Nope. No sign.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

A 90 year old cannot see a dam. All it takes is to look at Cull Creek entering a spillway on the uphill side of the dam but your vision is obviously too poor to make that out. The same with the sign that says "Danger - Keep Out - Deep Mud". If you had any eyesight you would also notice that there is no water in Cull Creek. That is because something like 100 gallons a minute are flowing into the mud basin.

When I had eyes as bad as yours I had them fixed. Or maybe you don't understand that Google Earth foreshortens things. Ie must make you miserable to be blind.

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:54:46 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:17:25 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
> >>https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255..97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA
>
> >Nope no dam
> This shows the dam and spillway.
> <https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70385425,-122.05525804,81.20348933a,126..35610161d,35y,61.89189098h,60.41275115t,0r/data=OgMKATA>
> Looking back in time with Google Earth Pro, I find that the area
> behind the dam was flooded up to about 2019. I found some photos that
> showed quite a bit of mud in the area formerly flooded with water.
> There's a small pond in the upper left which I guess is the remains of
> the water. No clue where Tom's bicycle path is located.
> <https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70521068,-122.05524783,76.4840557a,480.82115293d,35y,34.38173018h,60.15388337t,0.00000085r/data=OgMKATA>
> >>Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
> >>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783
>
> >Nope. No sign.
> I keep looking at the Google Earth photos and the photo of the sign.
> It might seem like the same place but I can't be certain. Facebook
> strips off the EXIF info from all photos so I can't verify the
> location. There's no mud visible in the facebook photo.
>
> Tom, if you had posted that link to your photo 12 times since you
> posted it to Facebook on Jan 3, your critics and I would have surely
> seen it and add appropriate comments. I did a quick search with
> Google Groups for the Facebook URL.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto%2F%3Ffbid%3D1063064831504932%26set%3Dpob.100034042758783+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
> Nothing found except John's posting. Tom, you're lying (again).
>
> There's also a problem with the Facebook photo. The sign does not
> show a shadow while the small trees behind it show very distinctive
> shadows. I would call this a bad fake photo.
>
> There might be a problem with my Usenet news provider, Supernews. It
> might also be a problem on Tom's end because he just switched to
> NewsHosting.com. The only reason I saw his article was that it was
> partially included with John's reply. Tom's article did appear in
> Google Groups as:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QfPkRcblWoU/m/NjW-v2kWAQAJ>
> No clue what happened but I'll try to find out tomorrow.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, your mind is showing. You are absolutely certain that I would take a picture from somewhere else in order to fool you. You are just as certain that I don't have any money. You also believe that I am taking a bicycle path up Cull Canyon rather than the road. Your mind is so screwed up that you are indeed one pitiful creature trying their hardest to believe they aren't.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:45:27 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:40:59 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:17:25 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:22:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue Feb 20 14:46:13 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:50:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:36:10 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>Liebermann, you are a damned fool and comment just to try and make yourself look smart when you aren't smart and were never successful because of it. Do you know trhat I feel sorry for you and youur stupid antics attempting to get SOMEONE, ANYONE, to think you're smart. And the bottom line is that you are smarter than Flunky and just about as successful.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >The search for self-esteem is a sure sign of its absence. So, how do
>>>>>>>> >you measure your success? The large bank account that probably
>>>>>>>> >doesn't exist? The short list of successful products you "designed"?
>>>>>>>> >The amazing feats of bicycle riding that have been demonstrated to be
>>>>>>>> >unlikely? The rather odd physics and electronics explanation of how
>>>>>>>> >things work? The rather miserable success rate of your bicycle
>>>>>>>> >repairs and purchases? The large (about 13) number of bicycles
>>>>>>>> >crammed into your small garage? The small number of individuals in
>>>>>>>> >RBT who agree with you? Which of these do you use as your metric for
>>>>>>>> >measuring success?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>But stop trying to make me look wrong because it is rare and you never know the correction.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >I don't try to make you "look" wrong. I try to prove that you are
>>>>>>>> >wrong. Statistically, I think I can demonstrate that you are ALWAYS
>>>>>>>> >wrong. I really should post a list of "amazing facts" by Tom Kunich.
>>>>>>>> >If the lack of quality of your facts isn't sufficient, perhaps the
>>>>>>>> >huge quantity will suffice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for me, I measure my success by noting how very seldom I regret the
>>>>>>>> things I've done. For the most part, I wouldn't have wanted my life to
>>>>>>>> have gone any other way. A happy man is a successful man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We could always take Frank's measure of success - "how many patents do you have" If he really meant that he could be nothing but a failure since he has NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clearly, Frank Krygowski is not a happy man. I wonder how many things
>>>>>>he regrets doing or not doing?
>>>>>
>>>>>I recently came cross some numbers:
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom's residence in a self described "slum"
>>>>>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>>>>>A 3 bedroom, 2 bath house valued at $835,925.
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>>>>>https://www.trulia.com/home/29-ohio-ave-poland-oh-44514-34816270
>>>>>Frank's Residence described as a 3 bedroom 1 bath house valued at
>>>>>$177,400
>>>>>
>>>>>Which probably tells you all you need to know about Frank and why he
>>>>>is driven to disparage others.
>>>>
>>>>Got a degree, then did nothing with it but stand in front of a
>>>>competition free classroom where nobody is going to evaluate his
>>>>performance. Riding his bicycle only in group rides or trips to his
>>>>job or the grocery store. All he's got to brag about is, "Hey, I can
>>>>ride a bicycle pretty good.
>>>>
>>>>Deep down he knows he's a namby-pamby.
>>>
>>>But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
>>>- license but never mentions attending collage.
>>>https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/
>>
>>
>>Interesting question...
>
>Does he even have a PE licence?

Interesting that Krygowski missed this chance to back up his claims
with a few braggs.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:53:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 4:17:32?PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 2:11:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:45:57 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >So I was wrong when I said that the Cull Canyon Dam had been filed in completely with mud?
>> >> Yes, you were wrong, as usual.
>> >> >That they had a SIGN saying "Keep out, deep mud"?
>> >> Show me a photo of that sign and the mud and I might believe you.
>> >>
>> >> Oh wait. I may have found photos of your mud and sign. Is this it?
>> >> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-sign-with-22keep-out---deep-mud22-in-a-muddy-pond/1-65d51d7812ff418fbad24ca910768c5c>
>> >> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-sign-with-22keep-out---deep-mud22-in-a-muddy-pond-/1-65d51e826ada44e2ab065011057db456>
>> >> >If you conwsider about an average of one completed project a year to be a short list over a 50 year career I suppose it is a short list.
>> >> 50 year? Your online resume shows your career started in 1984 and
>> >> ended in 2014. That would be 30 years (minus 4 years to recover from
>> >> a bicycle accident).
>> >> >Perhaps you can tell me one project you've EVER completed.
>> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
>> >> I believe that I may have offered to provide you with a list of
>> >> products I helped design. I need to leave now for a final eye
>> >> inspection with my ophthalmologist. I'll see if I can find my product
>> >> list or create a new one. Remind me if I forget.
>> >> >The problem is that you're all mouth.
>> >> Text to speech software can help you hear what my mouth produces.
>> >> >And I would shut it for you if your vaccinations weren't going to do all of the work instead.
>> >> Poorly veiled threat. I'll ignoring it.
>> >> >Why don't you "prove" that the vaccinations haven't increased cancer 4 fold by showing us a graph of cancers between 1975 and 2020?
>> >> Because you were the liar who made that claim and then didn't bother
>> >> citing your sources or providing any substantiation. Do you really
>> >> expect me to prove YOUR points? You also didn't bother reading the
>> >> two links I provided that explains why cancer statistics during the
>> >> years of the pandemic were problematic.
>> >> --
>> >> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>> >
>> >Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
>> >
>> >https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA
>> Nope no dam
>> >
>> >Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
>> >
>> >https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783
>> Nope. No sign.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>A 90 year old cannot see a dam. All it takes is to look at Cull Creek entering a spillway on the uphill side of the dam but your vision is obviously too poor to make that out. The same with the sign that says "Danger - Keep Out - Deep Mud". If you had any eyesight you would also notice that there is no water in Cull Creek. That is because something like 100 gallons a minute are flowing into the mud basin.
>
>When I had eyes as bad as yours I had them fixed. Or maybe you don't understand that Google Earth foreshortens things. Ie must make you miserable to be blind.

Nope Tommy, you posted a reference
https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA

I looked at your reference... no dam.
End of story.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/21/2024 5:27 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:45:27 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:40:59 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
>>>> - license but never mentions attending collage.
>>>> https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/

:-) John, one doesn't get an Ohio Professional Engineering license
without an appropriate degree in engineering. See
https://peps.ohio.gov/wps/wcm/connect/gov/a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2/PE+Licensure+Guidelines+Sept+2022.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE.Z18_M1HGGIK0N0JO00QO9DDDDM3000-a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2-oefmY3.

>>> Interesting question...
>>
>> Does he even have a PE licence?
>
>
> Interesting that Krygowski missed this chance to back up his claims
> with a few braggs.

The framed license is above my desk as I type. So is the one for
Pennsylvania. Of course I can post and link to a photo - but I'm back in
the usual conundrum: If I don't post evidence, I'm making things up. If
I do post evidence, I'm bragging.

This is like arguing with fourth graders.

Why don't John and the tricycle rider post about their educations? (I
suspect it's because they match Tom's.)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 08:28:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:53:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>A 90 year old cannot see a dam. All it takes is to look at Cull Creek entering a spillway on the uphill side of the dam but your vision is obviously too poor to make that out. The same with the sign that says "Danger - Keep Out - Deep Mud". If you had any eyesight you would also notice that there is no water in Cull Creek. That is because something like 100 gallons a minute are flowing into the mud basin.
>>
>>When I had eyes as bad as yours I had them fixed. Or maybe you don't understand that Google Earth foreshortens things. Ie must make you miserable to be blind.
>
>Nope Tommy, you posted a reference
>https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA
>
> I looked at your reference... no dam.
>End of story.

Not quite the end. I found the missing dam. Bring up the Google
Earth photo again. This time tilt the viewing angle from the default
of directly from about to something where you can see 3D objects by
depressing AND HOLDING DOWN the middle mouse button while moving the
mouse downward. You should see something like this:
<https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70385129,-122.05526012,81.28319227a,207.33115899d,35y,61.89188971h,60.41338441t,-0r/data=OgMKATA>
The roads go over the top of the dam. The concrete thing near the
intersection is part of the dam. The spillway (Cull Creek) goes under
the road.

I posted that and some other details on Tuesday, but my now worthless
Usenet server decided it would be a good day to eat all my outgoing
messages followed by replying to request that they fix the problem
with yet another obnoxious reply. I've been involved with Supernews
since about 1996 and this is the first time they had such server
failures and acted in such a manner. I'll be shopping for a
replacement shortly. Good companies don't seem to last forever.

Here's a copy of the lost message:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
>>https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA

>Nope no dam

This shows the dam and spillway.
<https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70385425,-122.05525804,81.20348933a,126.35610161d,35y,61.89189098h,60.41275115t,0r/data=OgMKATA>
Looking back in time with Google Earth Pro, I find that the area
behind the dam was flooded up to about 2019. I found some photos that
showed quite a bit of mud in the area formerly flooded with water.
There's a small pond in the upper left which I guess is the remains of
the water. No clue where Tom's bicycle path is located.
<https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70521068,-122.05524783,76.4840557a,480.82115293d,35y,34.38173018h,60.15388337t,0.00000085r/data=OgMKATA>

>>Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
>>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783

>Nope. No sign.

I keep looking at the Google Earth photos and the photo of the sign.
It might seem like the same place but I can't be certain. Facebook
strips off the EXIF info from all photos so I can't verify the
location. There's no mud visible in the Facebook photo.

Tom, if you had posted that link to your photo 12 times since you
posted it to Facebook on Jan 3, your critics and I would have surely
seen it and add appropriate comments. I did a quick search with
Google Groups for the Facebook URL.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto%2F%3Ffbid%3D1063064831504932%26set%3Dpob.100034042758783+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
Nothing found except John's posting. Tom, you're lying (again).

There's also a problem with the Facebook photo. The sign does not
show a shadow while the small trees behind it show very distinctive
shadows. I would call this a bad fake photo.

There might be a problem with my Usenet news provider, Supernews. It
might also be a problem on Tom's end because he just switched to
NewsHosting.com. The only reason I saw his article was that it was
partially included with John's reply. Tom's article did appear in
Google Groups as:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QfPkRcblWoU/m/NjW-v2kWAQAJ>
No clue what happened but I'll try to find out tomorrow.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 8:58:21 p.m. UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/21/2024 5:27 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:45:27 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> > <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:40:59 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> >> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
> >>>> - license but never mentions attending collage.
> >>>> https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/
> :-) John, one doesn't get an Ohio Professional Engineering license
> without an appropriate degree in engineering. See
> https://peps.ohio.gov/wps/wcm/connect/gov/a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2/PE+Licensure+Guidelines+Sept+2022.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE.Z18_M1HGGIK0N0JO00QO9DDDDM3000-a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2-oefmY3.
> >>> Interesting question...
> >>
> >> Does he even have a PE licence?
> >
> >
> > Interesting that Krygowski missed this chance to back up his claims
> > with a few braggs.
> The framed license is above my desk as I type. So is the one for
> Pennsylvania. Of course I can post and link to a photo - but I'm back in
> the usual conundrum: If I don't post evidence, I'm making things up. If
> I do post evidence, I'm bragging.
>
> This is like arguing with fourth graders.
>
> Why don't John and the tricycle rider post about their educations? (I
> suspect it's because they match Tom's.)
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

So many of these threads remind me of fourth graders or younger arguing in a schoolyard. Lots of noise but little of substance. It's sad really as this used to be such a great and useful BICYCLING related newsgroup.

Cheers

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:54:46?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:17:25 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:52:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>Why do you claim that That dam wasn't filled in with mud when it is clearly visible on Google Earth?
>> >>https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70429821,-122.05628952,76.5306297a,255.97127499d,35y,44.42002901h,0t,0r/data=OgMKATA
>>
>> >Nope no dam
>> This shows the dam and spillway.
>> <https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70385425,-122.05525804,81.20348933a,126.35610161d,35y,61.89189098h,60.41275115t,0r/data=OgMKATA>
>> Looking back in time with Google Earth Pro, I find that the area
>> behind the dam was flooded up to about 2019. I found some photos that
>> showed quite a bit of mud in the area formerly flooded with water.
>> There's a small pond in the upper left which I guess is the remains of
>> the water. No clue where Tom's bicycle path is located.
>> <https://earth.google.com/web/@37.70521068,-122.05524783,76.4840557a,480.82115293d,35y,34.38173018h,60.15388337t,0.00000085r/data=OgMKATA>
>> >>Why do you claim that there isn't a sign when I have shown it a dozen or more times?
>> >>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pob.100034042758783
>>
>> >Nope. No sign.
>> I keep looking at the Google Earth photos and the photo of the sign.
>> It might seem like the same place but I can't be certain. Facebook
>> strips off the EXIF info from all photos so I can't verify the
>> location. There's no mud visible in the facebook photo.
>>
>> Tom, if you had posted that link to your photo 12 times since you
>> posted it to Facebook on Jan 3, your critics and I would have surely
>> seen it and add appropriate comments. I did a quick search with
>> Google Groups for the Facebook URL.
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto%2F%3Ffbid%3D1063064831504932%26set%3Dpob.100034042758783+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
>> Nothing found except John's posting. Tom, you're lying (again).
>>
>> There's also a problem with the Facebook photo. The sign does not
>> show a shadow while the small trees behind it show very distinctive
>> shadows. I would call this a bad fake photo.
>>
>> There might be a problem with my Usenet news provider, Supernews. It
>> might also be a problem on Tom's end because he just switched to
>> NewsHosting.com. The only reason I saw his article was that it was
>> partially included with John's reply. Tom's article did appear in
>> Google Groups as:
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QfPkRcblWoU/m/NjW-v2kWAQAJ>
>> No clue what happened but I'll try to find out tomorrow.

>Liebermann, your mind is showing.

Yep, it's difficult to hide. However, I'll confess to wearing a Greek
fisherman's hat while using my desktop computer.

>You are absolutely certain that I would take a picture from somewhere
>else in order to fool you.

I'm not absolutely certain of anything. I deal in probabilities.

I don't know where the Facebook picture was taken. It's not up to me
to prove that you faked the photo. It's your photo, so you get to
demonstrate that it's genuine. You can start by explaining why there
is no shadow behind the sign while there are shadows behind the trees.

>You are just as certain that I don't have any money.

I'm not certain, but it's likely. The major indication is that you
don't act like someone who has real money (millions). People change
when they have money. Mostly, the become more conservative discussing
their wealth because wealth attracts attention and attention attracts
thieves, crooks, scammers, tax collectors, etc. Another indication is
that you have demonstrated that the amazing facts you regurgitate in
RBT have consistently been proven wrong or at least unlikely. The
number of lies, fabrications, and contrived numbers is truly
astronomical. With such a track record of falsehood, it's fairly easy
for me to assume that your wealth is an illusion.

>You also believe that I am taking a bicycle path up Cull Canyon
>rather than the road.

Actually, I thought about that looking at the Google Earth photos. The
road is an obvious path for bicycle riding. When you previous claimed
that there were blackened burn marks on the Cull Canyon roadway where
EV's had burned to the ground, it was obvious that you were riding on
the road and not on the bicycle path. I wouldn't give this guesswork
a "probable" but I think it's "possible" that you preferred to ride on
the roadway.

>Your mind is so screwed up that you are indeed one pitiful
>creature trying their hardest to believe they aren't.

Why would I want and what would I do with your pity?

BTW, "one pitiful creature" is singular. Therefore, I suggest you
replace the word "their" with "its" or "his", and "they aren't" with
"he isn't".

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:58:15 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/21/2024 5:27 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:45:27 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:40:59 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But did he get a degree? He brags about a PE - professional Engineer
>>>>> - license but never mentions attending collage.
>>>>> https://www.studyforfe.com/blog/how-to-obtain-a-pe-license-without-a-degree/
>
>:-) John, one doesn't get an Ohio Professional Engineering license
>without an appropriate degree in engineering. See
>https://peps.ohio.gov/wps/wcm/connect/gov/a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2/PE+Licensure+Guidelines+Sept+2022.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE.Z18_M1HGGIK0N0JO00QO9DDDDM3000-a79a8dc0-dcad-4ff0-a0e6-3107d17fffc2-oefmY3.
>
>>>> Interesting question...
>>>
>>> Does he even have a PE licence?
>>
>>
>> Interesting that Krygowski missed this chance to back up his claims
>> with a few braggs.
>
>The framed license is above my desk as I type. So is the one for
>Pennsylvania. Of course I can post and link to a photo - but I'm back in
>the usual conundrum: If I don't post evidence, I'm making things up. If
>I do post evidence, I'm bragging.

<LOL> Krygowski brags about his PE, but refuses to back it up,
because, he says, *that* would be bragging.

>This is like arguing with fourth graders.

Krygowski doesn't back up any of his brags. Makes one wonder if
they're true.

But never mind, state issued licenses are remarkably easy to verify.

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

>Why don't John and the tricycle rider post about their educations? (I
>suspect it's because they match Tom's.)

Unlike you, people with healthy self-esteem don't have any need to
brag.

....and I should also point out that bragging about an education is
only done by people who aren't able to brag about what they did with
their education.... In your case, Krygowski, what you did with your
education appears to be zilch.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 10:33:01 AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:26:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/21/2024 6:01 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> >> On 2/21/2024 3:18 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I
> >>>>>>> can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change
> >>>>>>> or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
> >>>>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
> >>>>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
> >>>>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is
> >>>>> detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle
> >>>>> will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two
> >>>>> full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent
> >>>>> instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from
> >>>>> Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know
> >>>>> if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to
> >>>>> anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off
> >>>>> my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
> >>>> riding a bike.
> >>>
> >>> Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
> >>> and dismount your bicycle.
> >>
> >> Maybe if you took that class you wouldnt need to ride a tricycle
> >
> >+1
> I'm pretty sure I was riding a two wheel bicycle before either of you

<eyeroll>
more undocumented anecdotes from the floriduh dumbass

> two sissy-boys were potty trained.

1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a closeted queer, afraid people will find out.

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 4:04:24 AM UTC-5,floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:58:15 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >The framed license is above my desk as I type. So is the one for
> >Pennsylvania. Of course I can post and link to a photo - but I'm back in
> >the usual conundrum: If I don't post evidence, I'm making things up. If
> >I do post evidence, I'm bragging.
> <LOL> Krygowski brags about his PE, but refuses to back it up,
> because, he says, *that* would be bragging.

lol...yeah, you really are that dumb - 4th grade reading comprehension on display again.

> >This is like arguing with fourth graders.
> Krygowski doesn't back up any of his brags. Makes one wonder if
> they're true.

<eyeroll>
fucking liar. When he does you accuse him of bragging.

>
> But never mind, state issued licenses are remarkably easy to verify.
>
> https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

OK, did you verify it?
Probably not, it takes more than a 4th grade reading level

> >Why don't John and the tricycle rider post about their educations? (I
> >suspect it's because they match Tom's.)
> Unlike you, people with healthy self-esteem don't have any need to
> brag.

I guess that says a lot about kunich, not so much about Frank,

> ...and I should also point out that bragging about an education is
> only done by people who aren't able to brag about what they did with
> their education....

<eyeroll> assumes facts not in evidence

> In your case, Krygowski, what you did with your
> education appears to be zilch.

<chuckle>
proud and willful ignorance on display again - floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:58:08 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 10:33:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:26:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/21/2024 6:01 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> >> On 2/21/2024 3:18 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:19:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2/20/2024 7:55 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:19:20?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:39:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I have a lot of stop signs and stop lights on the way I ride so I
>> >>>>>>> can spend 5 or more minutes at a stop waiting for lights to change
>> >>>>>>> or traffic whose turn it is to pass.
>> >>>>>> Wrong (as usual). Recommended cycle length in California is 120
>> >>>>>> seconds. Typical is 80 to 180 seconds. None of the signals I've seen
>> >>>>>> have ever taken your 5 min (300 seconds) to cycle.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There are intersections where green is given only if a vehicle is
>> >>>>> detected. Often the vehicle sensor is calibrated such that a bicycle
>> >>>>> will not register, and I've had instances of waiting through two
>> >>>>> full cycles of the light without getting a green. The most recent
>> >>>>> instance I can remember was waiting for a left turn arrow from
>> >>>>> Windemere Parkway onto Camino Tassajara in San Ramon. I don't know
>> >>>>> if I've waited a full 5 minutes though, and now knowing to
>> >>>>> anticipate this when there are no left-turning cars, I just hop off
>> >>>>> my bike to cross as a pedestrian rather than wait for a cycle.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some here have simple minded fun claiming there's nothing to learn about
>> >>>> riding a bike.
>> >>>
>> >>> Krygowski's bicycling classes will also instruct you on how to mount
>> >>> and dismount your bicycle.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe if you took that class you wouldnt need to ride a tricycle
>> >
>> >+1
>> I'm pretty sure I was riding a two wheel bicycle before either of you
>
><eyeroll>
>more undocumented anecdotes from the floriduh dumbass

See the "I'm pretty sure" reference, Dummy. IOW, it was only my
opinion.

>> two sissy-boys were potty trained.
>
>1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a closeted queer, afraid people will find out.

I was not aware that being a sissy is the same thing as being "queer,"
but you seem to know more about being "queer" than I, so I will defer
to your implied definition and say that I don't have any reason to
believe you are "queer."

I was only referring to what seems to be Krygowski and your only
non-employment related accomplishments. That'd be riding bicycles,
something that many women and children do.