On Thu Feb 29 04:41:00 2024 John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:08:44 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed Feb 28 05:32:30 2024 John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:00:22 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue Feb 27 04:53:38 2024 John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:15:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon Feb 26 04:55:58 2024 John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 11:22:29 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 10:58:10 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>On 2/24/2024 9:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On 2/24/2024 12:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On 2/19/2024 9:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> I know there are people concerned about bird and bat
> >> >> >> >>>>> fatalities by wind turbines. Despite my love of both
> >> >> >> >>>>> birds and bats, I'm not very worried, for several reasons.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> One reason is context, or comparisons. If someone says
> >> >> >> >>>>> "These turbines killed 4000 birds per year," my question
> >> >> >> >>>>> is "How do other factors compare?" And there are many
> >> >> >> >>>>> other factors.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> For example, there have been several articles in the
> >> >> >> >>>>> public press lately on birds killed by flying into
> >> >> >> >>>>> skyscrapers, often at night. For that reason, there are
> >> >> >> >>>>> calls to have skyscraper lights turned off as soon as
> >> >> >> >>>>> possible. How do skyscraper deaths compare with turbine
> >> >> >> >>>>> deaths?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Example: Flaco, the Eurasian Eagle Owl released from a zoo
> >> >> >> >>>> by vandals, recently died in New York City. He wasn't hit
> >> >> >> >>>> by a wind turbine. He ran into a skyscraper.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> "As many as 230,000 birds a year die in New York City when
> >> >> >> >>>> they hit windows, according to the National Audubon Society."
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/23/nyregion/flaco-owl-central-park-zoo-dead.html
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> And that number is only for New York City. Add numbers for
> >> >> >> >>>> Chicago, Cleveland, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, etc.
> >> >> >> >>>> etc. I think the number of wind turbine deaths is likely
> >> >> >> >>>> tiny by comparison.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> More on that theme. From
> >> >> >> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/science/that-cuddly-kitty-of-yours-is-a-killer.html
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> "... domestic cats in the United States ... kill a median of
> >> >> >> >>> 2.4 billion birds and 12.3 billion mammals a year..."
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Again, that dwarfs the wind turbine bird death count.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>I stipulated earlier that I personally am not moved by
> >> >> >> >>non-comestible fauna deaths.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>But discounting windmill eagle, bat and wild bird deaths by
> >> >> >> >>noting cat kills are greater is like noting that since gold
> >> >> >> >>mining produces more mercury pollution than coal power
> >> >> >> >>plants, we ought to emulate China and build more coal-steam
> >> >> >> >>power plants. OK, that's an argument I suppose but not
> >> >> >> >>compelling maybe.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I look at it differently. The first step to solving a problem is to
> >> >> >> >blame someone or something. The second step is to determine if there
> >> >> >> >is a problem worth solving. That's what counting dead birds and their
> >> >> >> >associated causes is all about. Since an overwhelmingly large number
> >> >> >> >of dead birds are caused by cats and a much smaller number caused by
> >> >> >> >wind turbines, I would think that bird kills by cats is the more
> >> >> >> >important problem and worthy of solving first. Once we have dealt
> >> >> >> >with the cats, only then should we worry about the wind turbines.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> :-) Has anyone ever counted the birds ingested by super sonic
> >> >> >> aircraft? Damn! Zipping along at those speeds they must be killing
> >> >> >> millions on just a since flight.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> John B.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >John Slocomb, the only man in the world that believes that raptors fly at 60,000 feet above the groumd.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/03/01/airplane-bird-wildlife-collisions-airport-safety-searchable-database/11304772002/
> >> >> https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/operations-disrupted-ohare-plane-hits-bird-takeoff/
> >> >> https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-01-11/national/socialAffairs/Tway-flight-aborts-landing-after-bird-strike-Wednesday/1956178
> >> >> https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-airliners-birds-013109-2009jan31-story.html
> >> >> https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/american-airlines-flight-forced-turn-back-after-striking-bird
> >> >>
> >> >> And there is more if you want them.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> John B.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Slocomb, I know that you can use Google. But We are not impressed
> >> with a half dozen cases of aircraft damage due to wildlife when
> >> Commercial aircraft spend the overwhelming majority of the trip time
> >> FAR above the level that birds fly. Let's just say that as usual you
> >> are entirely unimpressive.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lets see.... Tommy posts, "John Slocomb, the only man in the world
> >> that believes that raptors fly at 60,000 feet above the ground.
> >>
> >>
> >> I refute his post with references and he tells us that " We are not
> >> impressed with a half dozen cases of aircraft damage due to wildlife "
> >>
> >> Sure, Tommy aren't impressed but the pilots and crews of the planes
> >> involved certainly were. Enough to abort the flight.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The idiot thinks that millions of people are killed each year from bird collisions. Why the airline industry is so concerned about it that the will run a pickup out onto the runway to shoo congrgations of birds off. The fact is that no passenger has been harmed from Slocombs pure ignorance. Out of 45000 yearly flights in the USA each year the most that has happened were 1007 motors damaged, That 2% of the flights. And in most cases the damsge was not even known until afterr landing at their destination because the drive on an engine was below normal.
> >
> Nope Tommy... as I wrote above "Has anyone ever counted the birds
> ingested by super sonic aircraft?"
>
> There is a difference between people and birds Tommy, although they
> both have two legs.
>
>
> >Slocomb claims to have beeen a crew chief for maintenance on a bomber in the Air Force and says something like this! He continues to make it plain why he never rose above the rank of Master Sargeant.
>
> and you never rose above the rank of what? A2C?
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
>