Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>
>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>> Doctor to sign off that they didn’t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>
>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>> to have ignored medical advice…
>>
>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>> and so on.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> In California, it's:
> <https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/your-physician-is-required-to-notify-the-dmv-if-you-have-been-diagnosed-with/>
> lapse of consciousness
> Alzheimer’s disease
> cataracts
> dementia
> diabetes
> macular degeneration
> and probably some others (i.e. epilepsy).
>
> I recently had cataract eye surgery. 3.7 million other drivers in the
> US, 7 million in Europe, and maybe a total of 20 million world side
> have cataract surgery each year. In spite of being on the list of
> medical problems that might cause problems, I received no written
> material or oral lectures on the dangers of driving with cataracts,
> except after initial inspection (dilated pupils), two surgeries (one
> for each eye) and post-op inspection (drugged). That's probably for
> good reason as neither the medical profession or the state DMV are
> likely to be thrilled with the prospect of dealing with medical exams
> and paperwork for such a large number of cataract patients. During
> the months prior to the two surgeries, I was on my own and accepting
> my own risks.
>
> I will confess that I did some driving before the surgeries. At
> night, the glare was sufficient that I was a hazard to life and limb.
> During the day, driving was barely tolerable. Coming back from the
> initial inspection with dilated pupils, I chose to drive the back
> roads, which had much less traffic (and much less sunlight). Even so,
> I came very close to hitting various things on the way home.
>
> With a 258 million population in the US over age 18, and 3.7 million
> cataract surgeries per year in the USA, that's 1.4% of the over 18
> population driving around with impaired eyesight due to cataracts for
> 1 to 2 months per year.
>
> "Association of Cataract Surgery With Traffic Crashes"
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6142973/>
> "These results suggest cataract surgery is associated with a patient’s
> reduced subsequent risk of serious traffic crash as a driver."
>
>
Doesn’t seem (cursory look at DVLA website and quick search) that Cataract
either pre or after surgery is something they are worried about possibly
the risks associated aren’t high?

Roger Merrriman
>
>
>
>

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:38:53 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>>>
>>> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>>>
>>> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are caught but
>>> delay conviction and punishment interminably, by tactics like
>>> countless court delays and appeals. (That usually applies only to the
>>> wealthy, of course.)
>>>
>>> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not caught
>>> usually have their behavior affected, in that they have to take steps
>>> to avoid being caught. That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
>>>
>>> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or Port-Au-Prince.
>>>
>>>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>>>
>>>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>>>
>>> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says "You're not
>>> allowed to do that" yet freely provides equipment designed to do just
>>> that, there are bound to be law breakers.
>>>
>>> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take away or
>>> restrict the equipment?
>>>
>>> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale of cars
>>> capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be regulated. In fact,
>>> current new cars usually "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and
>>> in principle could be limited to the legal speed at any location.
>>>
>>> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities and
>>> suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads" that encourage high speeds,
>>> via wide lanes, open vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>>>
>>> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which there are
>>> many? They range from narrower lane width, landscaping, traffic lights
>>> synchronized for the benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered
>>> intersections, horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical
>>> diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but uncomfortable
>>> at 30 mph.
>>>
>>> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd have gone
>>> airborne and the fun would have been over. It's much more effective
>>> than relying on a "good guy with a squad car."
>>>
>>
>> So you're recommending collective punishment of the populace for crimes
>> not yet committed? Really?
>
>??
>
>"I can't drive as fast as I imagine in my fantasies! I'm being
>punished!" makes no sense to me.

Some people seem to like being told what to do.

>It seems no different than "I can't wander into a bike shop and take
>anything I want! I'm being punished!"

Stealing someone else's property is very different.

>Speeders seem to have unrealistic estimates of the amount of time
>they're saving, and unrealistic estimates of the importance of their time.

It's almost never about saving time. If you don't know that, you're
probably not going to understand the endorphins, adrenalin...
whatever... of pushing the speed envelope.

>"Outa my way! I gotta get home FAST! 'Oprah' reruns start at five!"

Like I said above.

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>
>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>
>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>> Doctor to sign off that they didn’t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>
>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>> to have ignored medical advice…
>>
>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>> and so on.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
> of outside interence in my personal live.
>

Ignorance would seem to be bliss!

Florida unsurprisingly like all states has driving regulations and
restrictions around Epilepsy which it’s a 6 month gap after a Seizure, plus
as with most states need a doctor to sign off that your safe after this,
which is broadly in line with Uk.

I’d expect similar with other significant conditions.

Roger Merriman

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:23:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>>
>>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>>
>>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>>> Doctor to sign off that they didn?t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>>
>>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>>> to have ignored medical advice?
>>>
>>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
>> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
>> of outside interence in my personal live.
>>
>
>Ignorance would seem to be bliss!
>
>Florida unsurprisingly like all states has driving regulations and
>restrictions around Epilepsy which it’s a 6 month gap after a Seizure, plus
>as with most states need a doctor to sign off that your safe after this,
>which is broadly in line with Uk.
>
>I’d expect similar with other significant conditions.
>
>Roger Merriman
>
>
I guess I didn't understand that it just about epilepsy

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:32:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:23:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>>>
>>>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>>>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>>>> Doctor to sign off that they didn?t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>>>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>>>
>>>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>>>> to have ignored medical advice?
>>>>
>>>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>>>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>>>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
>>> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
>>> of outside interence in my personal live.
>>>
>>
>>Ignorance would seem to be bliss!
>>
>>Florida unsurprisingly like all states has driving regulations and
>>restrictions around Epilepsy which it’s a 6 month gap after a Seizure, plus
>>as with most states need a doctor to sign off that your safe after this,
>>which is broadly in line with Uk.
>>
>>I’d expect similar with other significant conditions.
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>I guess I didn't understand that it just about epilepsy

Although I still couldn't live in the UK..

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:23:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>>>
>>>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>>>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>>>> Doctor to sign off that they didn?t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>>>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>>>
>>>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>>>> to have ignored medical advice?
>>>>
>>>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>>>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>>>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
>>> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
>>> of outside interence in my personal live.
>>>
>>
>> Ignorance would seem to be bliss!
>>
>> Florida unsurprisingly like all states has driving regulations and
>> restrictions around Epilepsy which it’s a 6 month gap after a Seizure, plus
>> as with most states need a doctor to sign off that your safe after this,
>> which is broadly in line with Uk.
>>
>> I’d expect similar with other significant conditions.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>>
> I guess I didn't understand that it just about epilepsy
>

It’s the most serious in terms of driving ie having a seizure so most
places will have some sort of restrictions in terms of driving. As far as I
can tell Florida relies on medical reviews if someone is flagged as
possible not safe to drive either by a lay person or medical professional
anomalously apparently.

But ultimately all of this stuff ends up at same place ie a medical
judgement where they clearly is nuance.

Roger Merriman

On 3/25/2024 5:23 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>>
>>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>>
>>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>>> Doctor to sign off that they didn’t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>>
>>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>>> to have ignored medical advice…
>>>
>>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
>> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
>> of outside interence in my personal live.
>>
>
> Ignorance would seem to be bliss!

:-) Not in the case of this tricycle path rider. He demonstrates plenty
of ignorance, but he also displays constant grumpiness. Both are true no
matter what subject is under discussion.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:20:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/25/2024 5:23 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:53:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:51:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/24/2024 1:52 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my
>>>>>>>>>> normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know how well that turned out:
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>>>>>>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>>>>>>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>>>>>>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flunky believed that to be funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
>>>>>>>>> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
>>>>>>>>> types.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Severe concussion isn?t a diagnosis, concussion is a mild brain injury,
>>>>>>>> which may or may not leave cognitive impairments, if so it?s diagnosed as
>>>>>>>> Post Concussion Syndrome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As ever these things are notoriously difficult to give prognosis ie level
>>>>>>>> of physical injury or even the Glasgow coma Score (and similar) give only a
>>>>>>>> broad idea of the level of cognitive impairment and thus disability.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of bit types being way off the bell curve now, ie my memory is
>>>>>>>> dreadful, I take parts with me or have the reference number or take bike to
>>>>>>>> bike shop and say I want one of these please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
>>>>>>>>> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It?s less the brain injury assuming no loss of consciousness as it?s mild
>>>>>>>> that is what concussion means, I for example had to wait 6 months and the
>>>>>>>> DVLA needed a medical report etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but getting seizures and medication for it, which very much would be
>>>>>>>> reportable in the UK, and absolutely no way he?d keep his license. Which
>>>>>>>> would need to be surrender to the authorities and wait x time until no
>>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can?t believe that American is any less lax in this regard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would depend largely on which part of this vast nation you live,
>>>>>>> but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know that tommy wrecked 4
>>>>>>> cars before his license came under review, then may even have continued
>>>>>>> to drive after it was pulled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In uk the NHS has resisted efforts to force them to inform the DVLA as well
>>>>>> doctor/patient confidentiality. As it stands it?s up to you to inform the
>>>>>> DVLA which if one does then after x period you can start driving even
>>>>>> before medical documentation and you have your physical license back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If though you don?t and are discovered will quite apart from a hefty fine
>>>>>> (potentially) will have to wait for every form (and their is multiple!) etc
>>>>>> to be processed and your physical license back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> You need a doctor's permission to drive?
>>>>
>>>> Other way around at least personally I was advised not to drive for 6
>>>> months and to inform the DVLA as significant head injury, and needed the
>>>> Doctor to sign off that they didn?t have any concerns at the end of the 6
>>>> months, other conditions and so will vary.
>>>>
>>>> The medical bods will not tell the DVLA but clearly if one was discovered
>>>> to have ignored medical advice?
>>>>
>>>> But other medical conditions such as diabetes or epilepsy or even some
>>>> conditions with eyes will require checks or simply such as epilepsy that
>>>> needs to be X gap (I think a year?) after last seizure before one can drive
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> I couldn't live in the UK.. or most anywhere else othrr than the USA.
>>> It's even getting less comfortable for me in the USA. I'm not a fan
>>> of outside interence in my personal live.
>>>
>>
>> Ignorance would seem to be bliss!
>
>:-) Not in the case of this tricycle path rider. He demonstrates plenty
>of ignorance, but he also displays constant grumpiness. Both are true no
>matter what subject is under discussion.

<EYEROLL> Krygowski spits up plenty of irony with that nonsense....

Krygowski is a guy who is constantly attacks and berates me for things
that I do that don't affect him in any tangible way... <LOL> and he
calls me grumpy.

As for ignorance, it seems that he considers riding a bicycle is
something to brag about...

" there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ

On 3/25/2024 4:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 12:40 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>>>>
>>>> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are caught but
>>>> delay conviction and punishment interminably, by tactics like
>>>> countless court delays and appeals. (That usually applies only to
>>>> the wealthy, of course.)
>>>>
>>>> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not caught
>>>> usually have their behavior affected, in that they have to take
>>>> steps to avoid being caught. That counts as at least some beneficial
>>>> effect.
>>>>
>>>> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or Port-Au-Prince.
>>>>
>>>>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>>>>
>>>> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says "You're not
>>>> allowed to do that" yet freely provides equipment designed to do
>>>> just that, there are bound to be law breakers.
>>>>
>>>> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take away or
>>>> restrict the equipment?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale of cars
>>>> capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be regulated. In
>>>> fact, current new cars usually "know" the speed limit wherever they
>>>> are, and in principle could be limited to the legal speed at any
>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities and
>>>> suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads" that encourage high
>>>> speeds, via wide lanes, open vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>>>>
>>>> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which there
>>>> are many? They range from narrower lane width, landscaping, traffic
>>>> lights synchronized for the benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered
>>>> intersections, horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even
>>>> vertical diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but
>>>> uncomfortable at 30 mph.
>>>>
>>>> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd have gone
>>>> airborne and the fun would have been over. It's much more effective
>>>> than relying on a "good guy with a squad car."
>>>>
>>>
>>> So you're recommending collective punishment of the populace for
>>> crimes not yet committed? Really?
>>
>> By that logic, we should all be able to own one of these
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan
>>
>>
>
> Even better, Ukraine is fielding an autonomous four wheel offroad actual
> Browning MA-2:
>
> https://taskandpurpose.com/news/machine-gun-robot-ukraine-russia/
>
> [prior art starts with the French (!) in 1915, but this is a very well
> developed version]

Seems to me conflating the practical application of something designed
to effect a tactical combat advantage with the general populations
alleged rights to such devices in peacetime is pretty silly.

>

--
Add xx to reply

On 3/26/2024 6:34 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 4:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/25/2024 12:40 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others
>>>>> are caught but delay conviction and punishment
>>>>> interminably, by tactics like countless court delays
>>>>> and appeals. (That usually applies only to the wealthy,
>>>>> of course.)
>>>>>
>>>>> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who
>>>>> are not caught usually have their behavior affected, in
>>>>> that they have to take steps to avoid being caught.
>>>>> That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or
>>>>> Port-Au-Prince.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says
>>>>> "You're not allowed to do that" yet freely provides
>>>>> equipment designed to do just that, there are bound to
>>>>> be law breakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not
>>>>> take away or restrict the equipment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the
>>>>> sale of cars capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds
>>>>> can be regulated. In fact, current new cars usually
>>>>> "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and in
>>>>> principle could be limited to the legal speed at any
>>>>> location.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in
>>>>> cities and suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads"
>>>>> that encourage high speeds, via wide lanes, open
>>>>> vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of
>>>>> which there are many? They range from narrower lane
>>>>> width, landscaping, traffic lights synchronized for the
>>>>> benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered intersections,
>>>>> horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical
>>>>> diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but
>>>>> uncomfortable at 30 mph.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier,
>>>>> he'd have gone airborne and the fun would have been
>>>>> over. It's much more effective than relying on a "good
>>>>> guy with a squad car."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're recommending collective punishment of the
>>>> populace for crimes not yet committed? Really?
>>>
>>> By that logic, we should all be able to own one of these
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Even better, Ukraine is fielding an autonomous four wheel
>> offroad actual Browning MA-2:
>>
>> https://taskandpurpose.com/news/machine-gun-robot-ukraine-russia/
>>
>> [prior art starts with the French (!) in 1915, but this is
>> a very well developed version]
>
> Seems to me conflating the practical application of
> something designed to effect a tactical combat advantage
> with the general populations alleged rights to such devices
> in peacetime is pretty silly.
>
>>
>

Which is the essence of politics. We consider the same facts
in the same world and conclude differently.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:26:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/26/2024 6:34 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 3/25/2024 4:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2024 12:40 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others
>>>>>> are caught but delay conviction and punishment
>>>>>> interminably, by tactics like countless court delays
>>>>>> and appeals. (That usually applies only to the wealthy,
>>>>>> of course.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who
>>>>>> are not caught usually have their behavior affected, in
>>>>>> that they have to take steps to avoid being caught.
>>>>>> That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or
>>>>>> Port-Au-Prince.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says
>>>>>> "You're not allowed to do that" yet freely provides
>>>>>> equipment designed to do just that, there are bound to
>>>>>> be law breakers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not
>>>>>> take away or restrict the equipment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the
>>>>>> sale of cars capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds
>>>>>> can be regulated. In fact, current new cars usually
>>>>>> "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and in
>>>>>> principle could be limited to the legal speed at any
>>>>>> location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in
>>>>>> cities and suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads"
>>>>>> that encourage high speeds, via wide lanes, open
>>>>>> vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of
>>>>>> which there are many? They range from narrower lane
>>>>>> width, landscaping, traffic lights synchronized for the
>>>>>> benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered intersections,
>>>>>> horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical
>>>>>> diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but
>>>>>> uncomfortable at 30 mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier,
>>>>>> he'd have gone airborne and the fun would have been
>>>>>> over. It's much more effective than relying on a "good
>>>>>> guy with a squad car."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're recommending collective punishment of the
>>>>> populace for crimes not yet committed? Really?
>>>>
>>>> By that logic, we should all be able to own one of these
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Even better, Ukraine is fielding an autonomous four wheel
>>> offroad actual Browning MA-2:
>>>
>>> https://taskandpurpose.com/news/machine-gun-robot-ukraine-russia/
>>>
>>> [prior art starts with the French (!) in 1915, but this is
>>> a very well developed version]
>>
>> Seems to me conflating the practical application of
>> something designed to effect a tactical combat advantage
>> with the general populations alleged rights to such devices
>> in peacetime is pretty silly.
>>
>>>
>>
>
>Which is the essence of politics. We consider the same facts
>in the same world and conclude differently.

In order to consider the same facts, we'd have to be exposed to the
same facts, which seems to be a major problem nowdays.

On Wed Mar 6 11:32:37 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:08:14 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, of course I know that now. But at the time I couldn't even find my normal MD GP and had to use Google Maps to find everything.
>
> I know how well that turned out:
> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>
> >Flunky believed that to be funny.
>
> I agree. Methinks it's really funny how a TBI (traumatic brain
> injury) could make you unable to understand different driver bit
> types. Also, how you were allegedly allowed to drive after wrecking
> one car, much less after trashing 4 cars.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

What do you know about bicycles when your "proof" that you're a bicyclist is a Strave ride showing that you rode one mile and a picture of a wrecking yard bicycle that didn't even have handlebar tape on it? This is not your engineering job of replacing ink jet printer cartrdges and your belief that you know everything about anything only proves that you know nothing about anything. You have told us everything about Cull Canyon and the weekly ride I do over the 27 miles from home anbd the 1440 feet of climbing despiute the fact that you're never been to the bay area and couldn't find Cull Canyon without Google Maps.

Stop your bull shitting about anything and everything. You have long since surpassed Flunky and his idiotic belief that you can ride 25 mph on flat road at 200 watts output when with a Full Time Power of 298 watts on a power meter I couldn't hold a steady 18 mph.

When I recommended that people NOT get those vaccinations you immediately ran out and were vaccinated. Now the journals are full of studies showing that probably 80% of all of the excess deaths were from the vaccines and not the harmless disease. Entire books have been written. And my prediction that there will be an AIDS-like response to the vaccines that cannot be undone is showing to be true. Csancers of every type are reported hy the Japanese medical journal to be up 2 or 3% PER cancer type or about a 30% rise. And a large percentage of them are Turbo Cancers meaning that they can no longer be treated by the time they are discovered. And it is positively the vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. You have a badly damaged immune system so this is a serious danger to you.

Your belief that I cannot have been an engineer because I don't have a degree is exposed by your own statement that the only reason you went to college was to gain a reprive from the Vietnam draft. It even took you six years to get a four year degree (or in my case 0 years to achieve a 4 year degree) plainly showing where your interests lay.

Knowing nothing about money because you never had any, you don't even believe that I went from $35/mth in the Air Force to $233,000 a year as an electronics engineer. My investments are now worth well over $1.1 million and I made a phone call and got $10,000 for some dental work. What do you do if you have some unexpected expenses like a broken tooth that I am replacing with an implant?

You really have to get your head out of your ass. You're probably eating bread and water while I and my wife am eating in a restaurant most evenings. I pick up the check and put a 20% tip on it every time. I own my home. I do not have to chop wood for a fire to heat the house. I may have a junky looking SUV but it only has 60,000 miles on it and is paid for. Each year I get a rebate on my taxes because I invested properly. I just sold $23,000 in T-bills for a profit and bought another $15,000 in new ones at a higher interest rate.

In the meantime you can't afford to buy clothes except at the Goodwill.

So stop pretending to be smart because you're not.

On Mon Mar 25 11:54:29 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>
> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>
> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are caught but
> delay conviction and punishment interminably, by tactics like countless
> court delays and appeals. (That usually applies only to the wealthy, of
> course.)
>
> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not caught
> usually have their behavior affected, in that they have to take steps to
> avoid being caught. That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
>
> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or Port-Au-Prince.
>
> > ... as in the weekend
> > news in Seattle:
> >
> > https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>
> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says "You're not
> allowed to do that" yet freely provides equipment designed to do just
> that, there are bound to be law breakers.
>
> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take away or
> restrict the equipment?
>
> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale of cars
> capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be regulated. In fact,
> current new cars usually "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and
> in principle could be limited to the legal speed at any location.
>
> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities and suburbs,
> why design freeway-like "stroads" that encourage high speeds, via wide
> lanes, open vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>
> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which there are
> many? They range from narrower lane width, landscaping, traffic lights
> synchronized for the benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered
> intersections, horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical
> diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but uncomfortable at
> 30 mph.
>
> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd have gone
> airborne and the fun would have been over. It's much more effective than
> relying on a "good guy with a squad car."
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, here and in most fities law breakers are now celebrated either with no charges at all of if charged they are usually (USUALLY) released without bail. What is happening in NewYork right now? Illegals are surrounding city hall and demanding the release of criminals. Here no bail releases have lead to CONSEQUITIVE murders.

My wife is a meeter and greeter at a church in Oakland's most dangerous areas and the congregation pays for three teams of armed guards. If you think that this isn't coming to you if you vote Democrat then go ahead and do so and discover the ugly truth yourself. And remember, you don't approve of the 2nd Amendment so don't go crying to the police.

On 4/19/2024 4:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Stop your bull shitting about anything and everything.

Tom, please tattoo that sentence on the back of your hand. Re-read it
frequently whenever you start typing.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/19/2024 4:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Frank, here and in most fities law breakers are now celebrated either with no charges at all of if charged they are usually (USUALLY) released without bail. What is happening in NewYork right now? Illegals are surrounding city hall and demanding the release of criminals. Here no bail releases have lead to CONSEQUITIVE murders.

Tom, can you hire a teenager to show you how to use Spell Check?

Then have that teenager teach you a bit about not getting suckered by
weird social media clickbait.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-city-hall-luxury-hotels-473023396539

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/19/2024 7:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 4:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Frank, here and in most fities law breakers are now celebrated either
>> with no charges at all of if charged they are usually (USUALLY)
>> released without bail. What is happening in NewYork right now?
>> Illegals are surrounding city hall and demanding the release of
>> criminals. Here no bail releases have lead to CONSEQUITIVE murders.
>
> Tom, can you hire a teenager to show you how to use Spell Check?

On a good day you have problems spelling" - tommy
dumbass..meanwhile..fities...CONSEQUITIVE

or is this tommy dumbasses 'refudiate' moment?

>
> Then have that teenager teach you a bit about not getting suckered by
> weird social media clickbait.

The only teenagers willing to have any interaction with tommy dumbass
would be those thinking they could rob him.Imagine their disappointment
once they realize he's just a cranky old bitch living off SS retirement.

>
> https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-city-hall-luxury-hotels-473023396539

As previously noted - tommy dumbass swallows anything ejaculated from
right-wing media