On Fri Apr 19 12:04:06 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > The bikes I'm riding at the moment are:
> > 1 Steel Basso Loto with 10 speed Dura Ace
> > 2 Aluminum Specialized Allez with 10 speed Dura Ace
> > 3 Very loight steel Tommasini Fire with Campy 1 speed
> > 4 BMC SLO-01 with Campy 12 speed (this weighs about the samje as the Allez)
> >
> > 5. Though presently out of service the Trek Alpha 1.5 which is a Madone copy in aluminum The short time I used it yesterday the cheapo Look pedals were troublesome so I'll return to Keo Max. The FSA Gossomer (aluminum) EVO cranks are actually lighter than the Campy Super Record 10 speed crankis I have. This is because the connecting shaft is much lighter with the 30 mm shaft vs the Campy 25 mm with a Hertz joint in the middle. The FSA is a four arm version. When it had the Campy 11 speed and the short time it was working with the 10 speed Dura Ace, it steers very well.
> >
> > The bikes I've been trying to sell are:
> >
> > 1. The Cannondale Optimo gravel bike. This is a very nice riding bike but I simply don't have a use for it anymore. It is a 9 speed Dura Ace and if parts weren't so hard to come by, I would use 9 speeds on everything.
> > 2. Ridley Helium with Shimano DI2. My hands are no longer sensitive enough to tell the upshift lever from the downshift lever and I HATE shifting faster when I start a hill. For younger people with full faculties this would be a good climbing bike.
> > 3. Steel normal size tubing Aliverti which looks almoar new. This is also a good riding bike and I did quite a bit of climbing on it. It has a new Campy Chorus 11 speed group with about 300 miles on it. I simply have to reduce my collection to make some room in the garage.
> > 4. If I can get the fork setting work on the Fondriest, I will sell it. I think that it has a Record 11 speed group but I have to get it to work first. I don't dump propblems on others.
> > 5. The BMC SLO-01. This is a great riding bike but we're back to reducing inventory. The Chorus 12 speed works well but again, I don't like so much shifting. Thou it would be nice to have a 13-24 instead of that 11-34. I'm not even sure that the pro's use the 11 even down hills. I caught a closeup of a fast downhill and none of the pro's seem to be in top gear. (the SRAM electric shifters use a 10 tooth rear and they all apppeared to be in the center of the cassette.) The problem is that the human body has more range than the top 7 gears of an 12 speed. So you end up skipping over those too tight gears. Why pay for gears you never use? I even saw a local criterium where several of the Cat 1's were riding 8 speeds and 13-21's whiuch these days requite custom made 127 mm wheels and you have to have your rear triangle respaced to 127.
> >
> > I also have a bunch of parts up for sale on the local Craigslist but absolutely nothing is moving including a complete Campy Centaur group with aero wheels wirh good tires on them (take-offs from the Alpha) The weakness oif the Centaur is that it shifts like the Dura Ace - Three up and on at a time down. The Chorus and above make multiple shifts in both directions. Since you rarely need this, Big Whoop.
> >
> > The ONLY offer I've had for anything wass for the Cannondale and the guy never showed up and later emailed that he had bought a "cheap beginner bike".
> >
> > One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That discourages them and they simply don't return.
> >
> > But you would think that there would be a market for good bikes so why is nothing moving?
>
> Spelling: hirth
>
> https://memim.com/hirth-joint.html
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Thanks, by now you know that the short term memory won't work very well

On Fri Apr 19 15:35:17 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 3:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:41:50 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That discourages them and they simply don't return.
> >>>
> >>> They're probably better off without the group, anyway. Why would
> >>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>
> >>
> >> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >
> > Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> > them following other people.
>
> Yes, that's exactly right. Another very good reason I can't
> stand The Planners.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Well, typically the rides are long enough and the group varied enougyh that you're riding with someone more or less compatible,

On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>> Why would
> >>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>
> >>
> >> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >
> > Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> > them following other people.
>
> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>
> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>
> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>
> Some folks are much more limited.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

There was a great deal of joy riding with a family with a 16 year old boy and 12 year old twin girls that would drop the fasted men in the group. And a group large enough to have a match for most people means that you never have to worry about being droped and having a flat without the proper size patch.

On Sat Apr 20 20:26:51 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
> zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/20/2024 7:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>> Why would
> >>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> >>>> them following other people.
> >>>
> >>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> >>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
> >>>
> >>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> >>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> >>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> >>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
> >>>
> >>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> >>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks are much more limited.
> >>>
> >> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
> >> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
> >> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
> >> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
> >> someone I?d not ridden with much.
> >>
> >> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
> >> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of
> > group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides. I
> > prefer rides where the intent is to challenge each other. The team I
> > rode for in the 90's to early 2000's used to have a group ride midweek
> > in the evenings - a very spirited race-training ride with designated
> > sprint points along the way. At it's peak we would have 30 riders and
> > broke the group up into the hard core riders and people out for an
> > easier ride. There was certainly a lot of banter during the regrouping
> > sections, but once the "action" started it was all business...Pacelines,
> > attacks, even team tactics where we would form into squads to compete
> > against each other. Good times....:)
> >
> > There are a couple of those types of rides in my area, but it doesn't
> > fit my work schedule to make it there without breaking numerous traffic
> > laws. The last mid-week road race ride in my area didn't reform after
> > Covid, but it was fun while it lasted.
> >
> > https://www.strava.com/activities/2597327499
> >
> > Don't let the average speed fool you, that includes easy pace to/from
> > the circuit.
>
> I?d be liability on such a ride, my ability to track where folks are is
> impaired due to brain injury, I do occasionally gate crash folks post ride
> refreshments at the pub, who do similar with a night gravel loop with or
> without company.
> >
> > More recently I've found a few MTB groups that like to push the
> > envelope, 'weekend warrior' rides.
> >
> > https://www.strava.com/activities/7297696050
> >
> > Rip up some single track, wait at the next fork, lather, rinse, repeat.
> > Some banter during the rests while deciding which trail to ride next,
> > but once rolling it's "shut up and ride".
> >
> > Burgers and beer after.
> >
> >
>
> Off road tends to favour smaller groups and that sort of stop start riding
> ie push it on the technical bits, chat on the smooth or stop to regroup and
> so on.
>
> Roger Merriman

I stopped riding in a group mainly because I simply got too slow. But the group was so varied I could have found someone that slow it I tried. Riding down Cull Canyon last Tuesday, I noticed that everyone was riding up as slow as I had.

On Sat Apr 20 12:49:54 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:39:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 4/20/2024 8:09 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>>> Why would
> >>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> >>>>> them following other people.
> >>>>
> >>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
> >>>>
> >>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> >>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some folks are much more limited.
> >>>>
> >>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
> >>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
> >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
> >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
> >>>
> >>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
> >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
> >> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
> >> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
> >> there and pretend that I do.
> >
> >I'll note two points:
> >
> >1) Yet here you are, discussing tons of issues that don't affect you.
>
> Indeed, sometimes I'm happy to discuss issues that don't affect me. I
> never claimed otherwise.
>
> >2) There seems to be very little in life that doesn't annoy you.
>
>
> It's pretty much only nasty people like you who insist that you're
> qualified to tell others what to do who annoy me. Junior Carrington,
> who insults me regularly doesn't even annoy me. He's kind of fun to
> exchange insults with.
>
> I really enjoy my bike rides and working on my bike. I love to write.
> I like to cook and bake, I love being with my family and especially
> watching my grandson play baseball, My wife is a constant source of
> joy. There's been much joy in my life and I look forward to more.

Well, I'm trying to be done with the insults. Liebermann and Flunky only get tit for tat. But Frank is just annoyed at your attitude and I think that I'm somewhat to blame for that. Try and relax and remember how long it has taken me to ease off of the memory losses.

On Sat Apr 20 15:41:01 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>> Why would
> >>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> >>>> them following other people.
> >>>
> >>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> >>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
> >>>
> >>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> >>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> >>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> >>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
> >>>
> >>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> >>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
> >>>
> >>> Some folks are much more limited.
> >>>
> >> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
> >> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
> >> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
> >> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
> >> someone Id not ridden with much.
> >>
> >> Do I ride on my own absolutely! Im generally more technical than my riding
> >> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
> > annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
> > don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
> > there and pretend that I do.
> >
> Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
>
> And anything in between.
>
> It?s not even a binary choice.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

I'm not sure what's going on with the scarier stuff. About the only thing that made me nervous was the nearly straight down stuff with heavy rain ruts in it.

On Sat Apr 20 12:57:51 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>>> Why would
> >>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> >>>>> them following other people.
> >>>>
> >>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
> >>>>
> >>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> >>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some folks are much more limited.
> >>>>
> >>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
> >>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
> >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
> >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
> >>>
> >>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
> >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
> >> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
> >> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
> >> there and pretend that I do.
> >>
> >Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
> >with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
> >so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
> >likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
> >
> >And anything in between.
> >
> >It?s not even a binary choice.
> >
> >Roger Merriman
>
>
> Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
>
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion

You have to remember that riding a carrrike is not like riding a 2 wheeler. It is nice to have someone there if you catch a wheel in a crack and get thrown down the road at 30 mph

On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Why would
> >>>>>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> >>>>>>>> them following other people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> >>>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> >>>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> >>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> >>>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> >>>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some folks are much more limited.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
> >>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
> >>>>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
> >>>>>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
> >>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
> >>>>>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
> >>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
> >>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
> >>>>> there and pretend that I do.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
> >>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
> >>>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
> >>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
> >>>>
> >>>> And anything in between.
> >>>>
> >>>> It?s not even a binary choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
> >>>
> >>
> >> There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
> >> are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a
> >> member of a road club.
> >>
> >> And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
> >> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >
> > floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
> >Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder,
> >not of introversion.
>
> I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.

Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.

On Fri Apr 19 20:33:15 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi
> >> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>> Why would
> >>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >>> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >>
> >> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's
> >> directions have
> >> them following other people.
> >
> > So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most
> > limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in
> > riding with others.
> >
> > On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation
> > with at least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a
> > few roads I'd never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At
> > the group ride's end, I carried on solo for another 16 miles
> > or so at a higher pace.
> >
> > I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding
> > solo, riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for
> > recreation or for utility.
> >
> > Some folks are much more limited.
> >
> That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
>
> Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with
> whomsoever he pleases. Or with no one.
>
> I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35
> years ago and don't miss them, or that sort of conversation,
> at all. Oh, and I am never alone. This week I'm riding
> with Tacitus (I'm reading his 'Histories'), Hannah Arendt
> (just finished her Past and Future) and others. With Billie
> Holiday in the background.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

For the pain-in-the-ass some people are on group rides, I still miss them but I'm too slow now.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat Apr 20 15:41:01 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why would
>>>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>>>>>> them following other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
>>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
>>>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
>>>> someone Id not ridden with much.
>>>>
>>>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! Im generally more technical than my riding
>>>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
>>> there and pretend that I do.
>>>
>> Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
>>
>> And anything in between.
>>
>> It?s not even a binary choice.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what's going on with the scarier stuff. About the only thing
> that made me nervous was the nearly straight down stuff with heavy rain ruts in it.
>

I’m an experienced MTB rider, even on a gravel bike I have all that
knowledge and experience so in general I tone it down a notch particularly
for club rides. As I don’t want to terrify people!

Roger Merriman

On 4/20/2024 11:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>
> The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of
> group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides.

The vast majority of my riding has always been solo, or with my wife on
our tandem. Before the kids moved out, a lot of it was with our kids.

But I have enjoyed many, many social rides, with anywhere from one to
more than a dozen friends. Over the years, most of my best friends met
me through bicycling. I've enjoyed countless hours of really excellent
conversation on "social" bike rides. And because of riding friends, I've
seen sights, explored roads and had good experiences that I'd have
missed on my own.

None of this happens to a person too terrified of others or too
misanthropic to socialize.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/20/2024 9:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> And because of riding friends, I've
> seen sights, explored roads and had good experiences that I'd have
> missed on my own.

+1

On 4/20/2024 7:54 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>>>>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>>>>>>>>>> them following other people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>>>>>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>>>>>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>>>>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>>>>>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>>>>>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
>>>>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
>>>>>>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
>>>>>>>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
>>>>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
>>>>>>>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
>>>>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
>>>>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
>>>>>>> there and pretend that I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
>>>>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
>>>>>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
>>>>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And anything in between.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It?s not even a binary choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
>>>> are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a
>>>> member of a road club.
>>>>
>>>> And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
>>>> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
>>> Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder,
>>> not of introversion.
>>
>> I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.

More evidence that floriduh dumbass has no concept of emapthy

>
>
> Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.

The irony being that you're responding to someone who insists on
remaining anonymous. Gawd, yer a fucking idiot

>
>

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:47:56 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat Apr 20 12:49:54 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:39:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/20/2024 8:09 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Why would
>> >>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>> >>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>> >>>>> them following other people.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>> >>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
>> >>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
>> >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
>> >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
>> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
>> >>>
>> >>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
>> >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Merriman
>> >>
>> >> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
>> >> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
>> >> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
>> >> there and pretend that I do.
>> >
>> >I'll note two points:
>> >
>> >1) Yet here you are, discussing tons of issues that don't affect you.
>>
>> Indeed, sometimes I'm happy to discuss issues that don't affect me. I
>> never claimed otherwise.
>>
>> >2) There seems to be very little in life that doesn't annoy you.
>>
>>
>> It's pretty much only nasty people like you who insist that you're
>> qualified to tell others what to do who annoy me. Junior Carrington,
>> who insults me regularly doesn't even annoy me. He's kind of fun to
>> exchange insults with.
>>
>> I really enjoy my bike rides and working on my bike. I love to write.
>> I like to cook and bake, I love being with my family and especially
>> watching my grandson play baseball, My wife is a constant source of
>> joy. There's been much joy in my life and I look forward to more.
>
>
>
>
>Well, I'm trying to be done with the insults. Liebermann and Flunky only get tit for tat. But Frank is just annoyed at your attitude and I think that I'm somewhat to blame for that. Try and relax and remember how long it has taken me to ease off of the memory losses.

You're not to blame for Krygowski's attitude. He simply can’t stand
being seen as flawed, inferior, weak, or a loser and he knows that's
how I see him.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:53:21 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat Apr 20 12:57:51 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Why would
>> >>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>> >>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>> >>>>> them following other people.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>> >>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
>> >>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
>> >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
>> >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
>> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
>> >>>
>> >>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
>> >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Merriman
>> >>
>> >> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
>> >> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
>> >> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
>> >> there and pretend that I do.
>> >>
>> >Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
>> >with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
>> >so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
>> >likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
>> >
>> >And anything in between.
>> >
>> >It?s not even a binary choice.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>> Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
>>
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
>
>
>
>You have to remember that riding a carrrike is not like riding a 2 wheeler. It is nice to have someone there if you catch a wheel in a crack and get thrown down the road at 30 mph

It seems to me that person would be more likely to do that if they're
gossiping with each other as they ride.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:54:56 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Why would
>> >>>>>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>> >>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>> >>>>>>>> them following other people.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>> >>>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>> >>>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>> >>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>> >>>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>> >>>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
>> >>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
>> >>>>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
>> >>>>>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
>> >>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
>> >>>>>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
>> >>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
>> >>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
>> >>>>> there and pretend that I do.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
>> >>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
>> >>>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
>> >>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And anything in between.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It?s not even a binary choice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
>> >> are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a
>> >> member of a road club.
>> >>
>> >> And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
>> >> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
>> >>
>> >> Roger Merriman
>> >>
>> >
>> > floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
>> >Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder,
>> >not of introversion.
>>
>> I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.
>
>
>Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.
>

Junior and I disagree on most everything and he obviously hates me,
but he seems unafraid to go out and challenge himself and I think he
backs that up. In other words, he's not a phony like Krygowski.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:33:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/20/2024 11:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>
>> The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of
>> group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides.
>
>The vast majority of my riding has always been solo, or with my wife on
>our tandem. Before the kids moved out, a lot of it was with our kids.
>
>But I have enjoyed many, many social rides, with anywhere from one to
>more than a dozen friends. Over the years, most of my best friends met
>me through bicycling.

Probably because bicycling is the only thing you do.

>I've enjoyed countless hours of really excellent
>conversation on "social" bike rides.

Cackling and gossiping.

>And because of riding friends, I've
>seen sights, explored roads and

Following some jerk who has declared himself your group leader and has
made plans for what you will do.

>had good experiences that I'd have
>missed on my own.

Missing small talk gossip is a good experience for me.

>None of this happens to a person too terrified of others or too
>misanthropic to socialize.

Nor does all that jibber jabber, back slapping nonsense happen to a
person who simply doesn't need other people around him all the time to
prop up his self esteem.

Some people actually count the number of people they talk to as if
it's a bragging point.

On 4/21/2024 5:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:33:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Over the years, most of my best friends met
>> me through bicycling.
>
> Probably because bicycling is the only thing you do.

HAHAHAHAHA! :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:58:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/21/2024 5:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:33:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Over the years, most of my best friends met
>>> me through bicycling.
>>
>> Probably because bicycling is the only thing you do.
>
>HAHAHAHAHA! :-)

Yes, I think having no other skill beyond riding a bicycle is pretty
funny, too.

On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>> Why would
> >>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
> >>
> >>
> >> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
> >> just like it in hell for someone else.
> >
> > Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
> > them following other people.
>
> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>
> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>
> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>
> Some folks are much more limited.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.

On Sat Apr 20 21:33:46 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/20/2024 11:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> >
> > The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of
> > group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides.
>
> The vast majority of my riding has always been solo, or with my wife on
> our tandem. Before the kids moved out, a lot of it was with our kids.
>
> But I have enjoyed many, many social rides, with anywhere from one to
> more than a dozen friends. Over the years, most of my best friends met
> me through bicycling. I've enjoyed countless hours of really excellent
> conversation on "social" bike rides. And because of riding friends, I've
> seen sights, explored roads and had good experiences that I'd have
> missed on my own.
>
> None of this happens to a person too terrified of others or too
> misanthropic to socialize.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

You are correct but you have no idea what the lives of others are like and why they are as they are. Remember that no matter how contemptuous of your profession I always agreed that it was absolutely necessary. And I can remember only 4 good teachers through public school.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:44:32 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> >>> Why would
>> >>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>> >> just like it in hell for someone else.
>> >
>> > Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>> > them following other people.
>>
>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>
>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>
>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>
>> Some folks are much more limited.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>
>
>Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.

Krygowski mistakenly believes people are "grumpy" simply because they
don't give him the respect and admiration he, also mistakenly,
believes he deserves. The people he accuses of being "grumpy" seem to
get along fine with almost everybody else.

On 4/22/2024 12:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>
>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>
>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>
>> Some folks are much more limited.
>
> Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.

Oh, I don't doubt there are many reasons our tricycle rider is so
consistently grumpy! It would probably be a sad psychological study.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:03:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/22/2024 12:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>>
>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>>
>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>>
>> Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.
>
>Oh, I don't doubt there are many reasons our tricycle rider is so
>consistently grumpy! It would probably be a sad psychological study.

There's a vast difference between being grumpy and simply not
expressing the respect and admiration a person believes they deserve
when they post ridiculous undocumented brags.

"Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending
multiple classes at various levels for each of the programs described
above. I've also acted as an editorial consultant on two well known
books dealing with those matters. I've written many articles on those
and related topics, and had some of them reprinted by publications in
other states and one other country. I no longer maintain the teaching
certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've written
scripts for and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been
interviewed for newspapers and TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by
request) at city, regional and statewide gatherings."

"I've written articles about dogs vs. bikes, and I
was once quoted on the issue in _Bicycling_ magazine."

"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."

"I've been riding with this club for 35 years now. I've given
workshops
and classes on riding, including group riding. I've written articles
on it for the club newsletter and for other publications. I've had
other cycling instructors compliment my riding, and say they learned
and improved by watching me. Just last night, one member took me aside
and asked me to give tips to a new member who obviously needed advice
on group riding."

"I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
above were not bragging."

--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ