On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> Volney wrote:
>
> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>
> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
> >>
> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> > with cranks.
> And a fine job you do!
Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?

palsing wrote:

> Volney wrote:
>> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
>> with cranks.
>
> And a fine job you do!

he is my girlfriend. He is more stupid than 𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗡𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗮. He pretends the
Putina is a nazi, which is absurd. The Putina might be a traitor, not
defending good enough against the 𝗸𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 the 𝗰𝗼𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁, but he cannot be
a nazi. He fights the nazis, The 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀 of amrica are nazifying the
fucking fake ukurina 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲_2014. They tested vaccines on Russian Christian
children, for fuck sake. Imaging it. Because is true.

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A senior White House aide has admitted that he believes Joe Biden has
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Megyn Kelly claims she was threatened by Big Pharma giant Moderna after
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𝗜𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹𝗶_𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗻’𝘀_𝗦𝗼𝗻_𝗖𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗺𝘀_𝗗𝗶𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰_𝗜𝗺𝗺𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁𝘆_𝗔𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆_𝗥𝘂𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗢𝘃𝗲𝗿_𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗱𝗮_𝗖𝗼𝗽
The son of an Israeli politician intentionally ran over a police officer
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𝗟𝗶𝗯𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹𝘀_𝗠𝗲𝗹𝘁_𝗗𝗼𝘄𝗻_𝗔𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗦𝗻𝗼𝗼𝗽_𝗗𝗼𝗴𝗴_𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗳𝗶𝗿𝗺𝘀_𝗛𝗲’𝗹𝗹_𝗘𝗻𝗱𝗼𝗿𝘀𝗲_𝗗𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗱_𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗣𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁
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On 2/1/2024 6:35 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>
>>> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
>>> in fact, made of green cheese.
>>>
>> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
>> with cranks.
>
> Yes, but there is no point in overdoing it.
> Why go on forever with feeding an automaton?
>
I just do it until I get bored with them/their ideas, or I find where
their mental infinite loop gets stuck or whatever. For example the
janitor, he has everything backwards mentally and won't get unstuck, so
I really don't bother with him much anymore.

Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
>> Volney wrote:
>>
>> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
>> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
>> >>
>> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
>> > with cranks.

>> And a fine job you do!

> Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?

Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:07 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> >> Volney wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> >> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
> >> >>
> >> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> >> > with cranks.
>
> >> And a fine job you do!
>
> > Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?
> Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?
Do you have to get offended? Getting offended easily is the trait of the stupid and the ideologue defending an ideology. That you believe the Asians discovered America does not mean you know the Americans discovered Europe. In any case, the context of the discovery of the Americas is a different topic from the peopling of the Americas. So, it is your position that Europe discovered the New World.

Am 01.02.2024 um 13:09 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 12:35:19 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
>>>> in fact, made of green cheese.
>>>>
>>> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
>>> with cranks.
>> Yes, but there is no point in overdoing it.
>> Why go on forever with feeding an automaton?
>
> Come on, Jan, it's simple, can be comprehended even
> by such an idiot. Your mad ideology is training you to
> bark at the infidels, so you do.
>

I had recently a related idea:

'the bad guys' (known from all sorts of conspiracies like 9/11, 'The
Great Reset' and so forth) must be partially be built from elitistic
student organisation at 'Ivy League' universities.

One (obvious) example is 'Skull and Bones'.

But the are certainly tons of similar 'honorary societies', which teach
their members to become snobs and to try pushing the infidels into the dust.

These (secret) student organisations will most likely practise
'satanistic' rituals (as kind of brainwashing method).

In reverse: any member of such groups is suspicious, (even the other
students of such ivy league colleges).

TH

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 00:20:45 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 6:35 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> >>> in fact, made of green cheese.
> >>>
> >> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> >> with cranks.
> >
> > Yes, but there is no point in overdoing it.
> > Why go on forever with feeding an automaton?
> >
> I just do it until I get bored with them/their ideas, or I find where
> their mental infinite loop gets stuck or whatever. For example the
> janitor, he has everything backwards mentally and

and can't understand that adjusting clocks to your ISO
idiocy means some "Newton mode"

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/1/2024 6:35 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> >>> in fact, made of green cheese.
> >>>
> >> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> >> with cranks.
> >
> > Yes, but there is no point in overdoing it.
> > Why go on forever with feeding an automaton?
> >
> I just do it until I get bored with them/their ideas, or I find where
> their mental infinite loop gets stuck or whatever. For example the
> janitor, he has everything backwards mentally and won't get unstuck, so
> I really don't bother with him much anymore.

Yes, that was the one I had in mind.
There is no point in even looking at it,

What some of those loonies/nutters/cranks/etc. here fail to see
is that they need to be at least somewhat amusing to get replied to,

Jan

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 14:55:37 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On 2/1/2024 6:35 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> > >>> in fact, made of green cheese.
> > >>>
> > >> I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> > >> with cranks.
> > >
> > > Yes, but there is no point in overdoing it.
> > > Why go on forever with feeding an automaton?
> > >
> > I just do it until I get bored with them/their ideas, or I find where
> > their mental infinite loop gets stuck or whatever. For example the
> > janitor, he has everything backwards mentally and won't get unstuck, so
> > I really don't bother with him much anymore.
> Yes, that was the one I had in mind.
> There is no point in even looking at it,
> What some of those loonies/nutters/cranks/etc. here fail to see
> is that they need to be at least somewhat amusing to get replied to,

Oh, I'm sure that a direct proof of inconsistency
of the moronic mumble of your beloved idiot
guru - is not amusing you at all. Your answer
wouldn't include anything interesting anyway,
poor halfbrain.

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-8, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:07 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > >> Volney wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> > >> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
> > >> >>
> > >> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> > >> > with cranks.
> >
> > >> And a fine job you do!
> >
> > > Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?
> > Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?

> Do you have to get offended? Getting offended easily is the trait of the stupid and the ideologue defending an ideology. That you believe the Asians discovered America does not mean you know the Americans discovered Europe. In any case, the context of the discovery of the Americas is a different topic from the peopling of the Americas. So, it is your position that Europe discovered the New World.

Now you jump to yet another conclusion, again without any supporting evidence!

J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I just do it until I get bored with them/their ideas, or I find where
>> their mental infinite loop gets stuck or whatever. For example the
>> janitor, he has everything backwards mentally and won't get unstuck, so
>> I really don't bother with him much anymore.
>
> Yes, that was the one I had in mind.There is no point in even looking at
> it, What some of those loonies/nutters/cranks/etc. here fail to see is
> that they need to be at least somewhat amusing to get replied to, Jan

lol, these two doctor scientists here (both PhDs) are calling the 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆
victeria nazi nuland for 𝗮_𝘄𝗮𝗿_𝗽𝗶𝗴. Lol, unbelievable true. But the Putina
is 𝗮_𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗼𝗿, capturing the nazis, sending them on paid vacation in Turkey.
With alot of work to be done in Siberia, the rest of their fucking life.
The putina should be replaced long ago. He is a corrupted WEF young global
leader. He was in bed with clauss schwab anal.

2024-02-01_𝗗𝗮𝗶𝗹𝘆_𝗧𝗡
𝗜𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹𝗶𝘀_𝗪𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗼_𝗦𝘁𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗽𝗶𝗹𝗲_𝗙𝗼𝗼𝗱_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗣𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗘𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗶𝘁𝘆_𝗕𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗼𝘂𝘁
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/I9XND5cUr7o8

but of course, the Einstine didn't have the mental capacity to undrestand
what Relativity was, and where it's coming from. He thought it was
something else. Total unprepared and unqualified for the task.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-8, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:07 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > > >> Volney wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> > > >> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> > > >> > with cranks.
> > >
> > > >> And a fine job you do!
> > >
> > > > Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?
> > > Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?
>
> > Do you have to get offended? Getting offended easily is the trait of the stupid and the ideologue defending an ideology. That you believe the Asians discovered America does not mean you know the Americans discovered Europe. In any case, the context of the discovery of the Americas is a different topic from the peopling of the Americas. So, it is your position that Europe discovered the New World.
> Now you jump to yet another conclusion, again without any supporting evidence!
Now, whose lying?

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-8, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:07 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > > >> Volney wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
> > > >> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
> > > >> > with cranks.
> > >
> > > >> And a fine job you do!
> > >
> > > > Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?
> > > Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?
>
> > Do you have to get offended? Getting offended easily is the trait of the stupid and the ideologue defending an ideology. That you believe the Asians discovered America does not mean you know the Americans discovered Europe. In any case, the context of the discovery of the Americas is a different topic from the peopling of the Americas. So, it is your position that Europe discovered the New World.
> Now you jump to yet another conclusion, again without any supporting evidence!
Wouldn't the honest thing to do be to say, yes, Larry, you're right. I was confusing the peopling of America with the discovery of America, and I obviously did not know the Americans discovered Europe before Columbus.

Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-8, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:07 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
>> > > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:08 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
>> > > >> Volney wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > On 1/31/2024 3:42 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> It's hopeless, Volney, you'll never convince him that the moon is not,
>> > > >> >> in fact, made of green cheese.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> > I know. But often I like to argue with cranks for the sake of arguing
>> > > >> > with cranks.
>> > >
>> > > >> And a fine job you do!
>> > >
>> > > > Would you care to defend your position that the Europeans discovered America and not the other way around?
>> > > Where did you get the idea that this was my position? Why do you keep making crap up as you go along?
>>
>> > Do you have to get offended? Getting offended easily is the trait of the stupid and the ideologue defending an ideology. That you believe the Asians discovered America does not mean you know the Americans discovered Europe. In any case, the context of the discovery of the Americas is a different topic from the peopling of the Americas. So, it is your position that Europe discovered the New World.
>> Now you jump to yet another conclusion, again without any supporting evidence!
> Wouldn't the honest thing to do be to say, yes, Larry, you're right. I was confusing the peopling of America with the discovery of America, and I obviously did not know the Americans discovered Europe before Columbus.

Larry, you dim bulb, I never made any kind of claim regarding the discovery of America, none whatsoever. You are just making shit up as you go along... which is all you ever do!

You are a waste of perfectly good air!

Am 17.01.2024 um 04:30 schrieb Laurence Clark Crossen:
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:14:13 AM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Hi NG
>>
>> I had recently read a book about GR and found it astonishing, what
>> Einstein and Ehrenfest said about observers on a rotating disk.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrenfest_paradox
>>
>>
>>
>> To me it is selfevident, that observers on a rotating disk would
>> encounter some kind of outwards acceleration, if that disk rotates.
>>
>> Also the rigid disk itself would ecounter 'length elongation' (radius
>> gets longer), because the centrifugal acceleration tends to tear the
>> disk apart.
>>
>> But neither of these effects were mentioned, while the similarity to
>> gravitation assumed.
>>
>> But as far as I know, gravitation pulls into the opposite direction
>> (towards the center).
>>
>> And: the observer could not possibly regard his rotating disk as at
>> rest, because he had trouble to stay on his feet and on the disk, if
>> that disk rotates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TH
> That is a good and sufficient refutation.
> Also,
> Refutation:
> 1. If there were (and it did not involve every layer of the disc contracting), then the pi ratio of radius to circumference would no longer exist.
> 2. Then, it would no longer be a circle.
> 3. Therefore, length contraction is again disproven by proving to be self-contradictory nonsense.
> There is no such thing as length contraction.
>
> This is all any intelligent and (self-) educated person needs to know to be a real scientist instead of a fool (relativist).

Well, it is one thing how we humans think, that nature behaves and
another how nature thinks about the same topic.

People make all sorts of errors and many of them are very persistent.

But there exist certain principles about how to deal with them.

One says:

if something is wrong, the opposite is not necessarily true.

Or:

a wrong explanation does not mean, that the phenomenon explained does
not exist.

Therefore, an error made by Ehrenfest does not prove, that length
contraction does not exist.

TH

>

Am 27.01.2024 um 16:30 schrieb Richard Hachel:
> Le 27/01/2024 à 07:39, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Mathematics: 2+2=4.
>>>
>>> This is what I have been saying for 40 years, but no one has ever wanted
>>> to believe me.
>>
>> I pretty certain, that there wasn't that much resistence to this
>> equation.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> Yes, you know people are crazy.
>
Well, yes, but not that crazy.

In '1984' the #big brother# requested to say, that 2+2 =5.

But usually 2+2=4.

From this we can draw the conclusion: big brother has not finished the
second grade in school.

TH

Am 24.01.2024 um 06:55 schrieb Volney:
> On 1/23/2024 5:11 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 23/01/2024 à 17:58, Volney a écrit :
>>> On 1/22/2024 3:51 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>> Le 22/01/2024 à 19:31, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> As for the whole sentence, I am continually amazed that crackpots
>>>>> (not just Thomas Heger -- also "Dr." Hachel, Lou, patdolan, etc.)
>>>>> see themselves as professors qualified to "correct" Einstein's
>>>>> "errors".
>>>>
>>>> I think you're the weirdo. To deify a man as you do, when he is only
>>>> 27 years old, a common copyist of the greatest mathematician in the
>>>> world, I believe that one must not have an intellect beyond reproach.
>>>>
>>>> You are, you, a crackpot.
>>>>
>>> No, the opposite is true. Claiming scientists "deify" or "worship"
>>> Einstein or claim that relativity is a "religion" or "cult" are
>>> CLASSIC signs of a relativity crackpot. Classic. Congratulations for
>>> admitting your crackpottedness.
>>
>> Einstein is not a scientist, but a prophet.
>
> There you go again, proving to us that you are a full-blown crackpot.
> Or maybe just a bit less than full-blown crackpot since you wrote
> 'prophet' and not 'god'.
>>
>> It is also very interesting to note this incredible coincidence.
>>
>> 1905: separation of Church and State. The state finds itself without
>> christian God.
>
> Separation of church and state is from the United States Bill of Rights,
> 1789, not 1905. And probably elsewhere as a concept before that.
>
>> 1905: a new prophet appears on the world scene.
>
> There you go, firmly establishing yourself as a crackpot.
>>
>> However, it is not difficult to dismantle the theory of relativity,
>> even in front of the world's biggest pundits.
>>
>> I mean logically, scientifically, mathematically.
>
> Mathematically consistent, fully supported scientifically. And quite
> logical when going through the relativity papers.
>>
>> But then we will be confronted with a huge religious problem.
>>
>> Physicists will immediately behave like religious fundamentalists and
>> how many times have I heard: “If our prophet was wrong, we would know
>> it”.
>
> Which "physicist" even uses the word "prophet"? None?
>>
>> The problem is that, with the theory wonderfully tinged with bullshit
>> plastering, even the world's greatest physicists are getting caught.
>
> Where?
>>
>> Wanting to explain where the errors are then becomes an insurmountable
>> task.
> What errors?

Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).

The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
Planck took it for real.

I personally think, this particular paper and the subsequent
'deification' of Einstein were part of a plot.

This plot was apparently meant to derail physics in general and bring
members of a certain hidden 'club' into a better position within the
competion for fame and money in the scientific community.

So, it will be by no means allowed to criticise this paper (or the
author) for all physicists, who want stay in office or profession.

But some pyhsicists did that anyhow, like e.g. Herbert Dingle.

Those got expelled from 'the church' and got mobbed and harrassed till
the end of their lives.

Also this particular group of the UseNet apperently serves the same
purpose and absorbs all sorts of critique, which flows in year after
year without any effect whatever.

This shall go on for all time being (according to plan).

BUT:

even if people are mostly stupid, some are not. And a few of these few
will bring down this plot.

TH

Den 21.02.2024 07:39, skrev Thomas Heger:
>
> Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).
>
> The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
> serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
> Planck took it for real.
>
> I personally think, this particular paper and the subsequent
> 'deification' of Einstein were part of a plot.
>
> This plot was apparently meant to derail physics in general and bring
> members of a certain hidden 'club' into a better position within the
> competion for fame and money in the scientific community.
>
> So, it will be by no means allowed to criticise this paper (or the
> author) for all physicists, who want stay in office or profession.
>
> But some pyhsicists did that anyhow, like e.g. Herbert Dingle.
>
> Those got expelled from 'the church' and got mobbed and harrassed till
> the end of their lives.
>
> Also this particular group of the UseNet apperently serves the same
> purpose and absorbs all sorts of critique, which flows in year after
> year without any effect whatever.
>
> This shall go on for all time being (according to plan).
>
> BUT:
>
> even if people are mostly stupid, some are not. And a few of these few
> will bring down this plot.
>
>
> TH
>
>
>

One of your better, Thomas!

Keep it up, the sky is the limit, now you have barely passed Neptune!

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

Le 21/02/2024 à 07:35, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>
> Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).
>
> The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
> serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
> Planck took it for real.
>
> I personally think, this particular paper and the subsequent
> 'deification' of Einstein were part of a plot.
>
> This plot was apparently meant to derail physics in general and bring
> members of a certain hidden 'club' into a better position within the
> competion for fame and money in the scientific community.
>
> So, it will be by no means allowed to criticise this paper (or the
> author) for all physicists, who want stay in office or profession.
>
> But some pyhsicists did that anyhow, like e.g. Herbert Dingle.
>
> Those got expelled from 'the church' and got mobbed and harrassed till
> the end of their lives.
>
> Also this particular group of the UseNet apperently serves the same
> purpose and absorbs all sorts of critique, which flows in year after
> year without any effect whatever.
>
> This shall go on for all time being (according to plan).
>
> BUT:
>
> even if people are mostly stupid, some are not. And a few of these few
> will bring down this plot.

The word conspiracy is perhaps a bit strong, I don't know, but it's clear
that here, seen from France, we still find a lot of weird things.

To say that Einstein was a “genius” does not hold water. He was much
weaker than Poincaré, the best mathematician of his time, and capable
to write quality works for THREE SCIENCES (physics, mathematics,
philosophy), and it's still very strange.

I think that, like Saint Paul in Christianity, Einstein is a media
creation, desired at a time when world wars were flourishing and European
tensions were constantly growing.

But also where Christianity began to collapse (law of 1905 in France).
Jesus Christ had to be replaced by another prophet, and Poincaré was far
too “serious”.

As for errors, there are a lot of errors, not omissions, in his articles,
proof that he perhaps did not really understand relativity (otherwise, he
would have talked, for example, about the spatial zoom effect, given the
right equations for accelerated frames of reference, and the right
transformations for rotating frames of reference. Nothing has been done of
all this, and I even have, today, all the difficulty in the world to
explain how we should see the things, as people are stuck in sometimes
absurd relativistic theological considerations.

R.H.

On 2/21/2024 1:39 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 24.01.2024 um 06:55 schrieb Volney:
>> On 1/23/2024 5:11 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> Le 23/01/2024 à 17:58, Volney a écrit :
>>>> On 1/22/2024 3:51 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>>> Le 22/01/2024 à 19:31, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the whole sentence, I am continually amazed that crackpots
>>>>>> (not just Thomas Heger -- also "Dr." Hachel, Lou, patdolan, etc.)
>>>>>> see themselves as professors qualified to "correct" Einstein's
>>>>>> "errors".
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you're the weirdo. To deify a man as you do, when he is only
>>>>> 27 years old, a common copyist of the greatest mathematician in the
>>>>> world, I believe that one must not have an intellect beyond reproach.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are, you, a crackpot.
>>>>>
>>>> No, the opposite is true. Claiming scientists "deify" or "worship"
>>>> Einstein or claim that relativity is a "religion" or "cult" are
>>>> CLASSIC signs of a relativity crackpot. Classic. Congratulations for
>>>> admitting your crackpottedness.
>>>
>>> Einstein is not a scientist, but a prophet.
>>
>> There you go again, proving to us that you are a full-blown crackpot.
>> Or maybe just a bit less than full-blown crackpot since you wrote
>> 'prophet' and not 'god'.
>>>
>>>   It is also very interesting to note this incredible coincidence.
>>>
>>> 1905: separation of Church and State. The state finds itself without
>>> christian God.
>>
>> Separation of church and state is from the United States Bill of Rights,
>> 1789, not 1905. And probably elsewhere as a concept before that.
>>
>>> 1905: a new prophet appears on the world scene.
>>
>> There you go, firmly establishing yourself as a crackpot.
>>>
>>> However, it is not difficult to dismantle the theory of relativity,
>>> even in front of the world's biggest pundits.
>>>
>>> I mean logically, scientifically, mathematically.
>>
>> Mathematically consistent, fully supported scientifically. And quite
>> logical when going through the relativity papers.
>>>
>>> But then we will be confronted with a huge religious problem.
>>>
>>> Physicists will immediately behave like religious fundamentalists and
>>> how many times have I heard: “If our prophet was wrong, we would know
>>> it”.
>>
>> Which "physicist" even uses the word "prophet"? None?
>>>
>>> The problem is that, with the theory wonderfully tinged with bullshit
>>> plastering, even the world's greatest physicists are getting caught.
>>
>> Where?
>>>
>>> Wanting to explain where the errors are then becomes an insurmountable
>>> task.

>> What errors?
>
> Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).

Now you are back to 'finding errors' in Einstein's paper and not the
translation?
>
> The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
> serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
> Planck took it for real.

No, the number is zero errors, and you ignored my request to post the
most obvious, egregious, stupidest error in that paper, in order to show
you actually found one valid error.
>
> I personally think, this particular paper and the subsequent
> 'deification' of Einstein were part of a plot.

Since there was no 'deification' of Einstein and no errors, there's
obviously no plot. And since you now claim 'deification' of Einstein,
you now are back to your higher rating on the crackpot scale, instead of
merely calling him a 'prophet'.
>
> This plot was apparently meant to derail physics in general and bring
> members of a certain hidden 'club' into a better position within the
> competion for fame and money in the scientific community.
>
> So, it will be by no means allowed to criticise this paper (or the
> author) for all physicists, who want stay in office or profession.

Plot? 'Hidden club'? Not allowed to criticize the paper? Sounds like a
touch of paranoid schizophrenia to me. But I am not a psychiatrist.>
> But some pyhsicists did that anyhow, like e.g. Herbert Dingle.

Dingle made a mistake. His argument was t′ = γt and t = γt′ which is
inconsistent for γ≠1, a contradiction in SR. But the actual claim of SR
is that t′ = γt at x = 0, and t = γt′ at x′ = 0, which are not
contradictory statements.
>
> Those got expelled from 'the church' and got mobbed and harrassed till
> the end of their lives.

More of that church/religion/cult/worship crackpottery, plus that
conspiracy theory paranoia again.
>
> Also this particular group of the UseNet apperently serves the same
> purpose and absorbs all sorts of critique, which flows in year after
> year without any effect whatever.
>
> This shall go on for all time being (according to plan).

The group sci.physics.relativity was created to divert relativity
nonsense out of sci.physics, which was still a good place for physics
discussions.
>
> BUT:
>
> even if people are mostly stupid, some are not. And a few of these few
> will bring down this plot.

There is no 'plot', no matter what your paranoia tells you.

Volney wrote:

>>
>> Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).

> Now you are back to 'finding errors' in Einstein's paper and not the
> translation?
>>
>> The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
>> serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
>> Planck took it for real.

> No, the number is zero errors

The mumble of your idiot guru was not even consistent.
You've got a direct proof and your peans to his
next-to-infinite wisdom are not changing that at
all, stupid Mike.

Am 21.02.2024 um 23:53 schrieb Volney:

>>>> Physicists will immediately behave like religious fundamentalists and
>>>> how many times have I heard: “If our prophet was wrong, we would know
>>>> it”.
>>>
>>> Which "physicist" even uses the word "prophet"? None?
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that, with the theory wonderfully tinged with bullshit
>>>> plastering, even the world's greatest physicists are getting caught.
>>>
>>> Where?
>>>>
>>>> Wanting to explain where the errors are then becomes an insurmountable
>>>> task.
>
>>> What errors?
>>
>> Einstein's 1905 paper is FULL of errors (I have counted 428 errors).
>
> Now you are back to 'finding errors' in Einstein's paper and not the
> translation?
>>
>> The number is so extremely large and the type of errors range from
>> serious to stupid, that I would not believe for a second, that Max
>> Planck took it for real.
>
> No, the number is zero errors, and you ignored my request to post the
> most obvious, egregious, stupidest error in that paper, in order to show
> you actually found one valid error.
>>
>> I personally think, this particular paper and the subsequent
>> 'deification' of Einstein were part of a plot.
>
> Since there was no 'deification' of Einstein and no errors, there's
> obviously no plot. And since you now claim 'deification' of Einstein,
> you now are back to your higher rating on the crackpot scale, instead of
> merely calling him a 'prophet'.

Sure it was, since Einstein was made kind of 'pop star of physics'.

This required coordinated efforts of large parts of the mainstream media
of that time.

But his fame was NOT caused by his paper(-s), because almost nobody had
read them and those who did had critisised them.

This fact alone would be sufficiant to raise eyebrows and be sceptical
about the narrative.

But it went far further than simple fame and presence in the media.

Einstein's face was printed on stamps, posters and money. TV-shows,
schools and kindergardens were named after him.

So, Einstein was efficiently 'deified'.

But still nobody read his papers.

This was actually unnecessary, because popular versions of his theories
were writen and printed into tons of very nice books with pritty
pictures for TV-shows, schools and kindergardens.

So, nobody needed to read his papers, let alone criticise them.

>> This plot was apparently meant to derail physics in general and bring
>> members of a certain hidden 'club' into a better position within the
>> competion for fame and money in the scientific community.
>>
>> So, it will be by no means allowed to criticise this paper (or the
>> author) for all physicists, who want stay in office or profession.
>
> Plot? 'Hidden club'? Not allowed to criticize the paper?

Well, yes, sounds like that.

But, unfortunately, if have not found out, who is actually behind this plot.

TH

Den 22.02.2024 08:41, skrev Thomas Heger:
>
> Einstein was made kind of 'pop star of physics'.
>
> This required coordinated efforts of large parts of the mainstream media
> of that time.
>
> But his fame was NOT caused by his paper(-s), because almost nobody had
> read them and those who did had critisised them.
>
> This fact alone would be sufficiant to raise eyebrows and be sceptical
> about the narrative.
>
> But it went far further than simple fame and presence in the media.
>
> Einstein's face was printed on stamps, posters and money. TV-shows,
> schools and kindergardens were named after him.
>
> So, Einstein was efficiently 'deified'.
>
> But still nobody read his papers.
>
> This was actually unnecessary, because popular versions of his theories
> were writen and printed into tons of very nice books with pritty
> pictures for TV-shows, schools and kindergardens.

Good catch!

The children in the kindergartens are brainwashed
with popular books about relativity.
What a shame!

>
> So, nobody needed to read his papers, let alone criticise them.
>

Keep keeping it up!
The sky is the limit, you have now passed Pluto and are
far into the Kuiper Belt.

I am sure you with a little effort can make it to Heaven
where you may meet the God Einstein.

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

On Thursday 22 February 2024 at 11:24:23 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 22.02.2024 08:41, skrev Thomas Heger:
> >
> > Einstein was made kind of 'pop star of physics'.
> >
> > This required coordinated efforts of large parts of the mainstream media
> > of that time.
> >
> > But his fame was NOT caused by his paper(-s), because almost nobody had
> > read them and those who did had critisised them.
> >
> > This fact alone would be sufficiant to raise eyebrows and be sceptical
> > about the narrative.
> >
> > But it went far further than simple fame and presence in the media.
> >
> > Einstein's face was printed on stamps, posters and money. TV-shows,
> > schools and kindergardens were named after him.
> >
> > So, Einstein was efficiently 'deified'.
> >
> > But still nobody read his papers.
> >
> > This was actually unnecessary, because popular versions of his theories
> > were writen and printed into tons of very nice books with pritty
> > pictures for TV-shows, schools and kindergardens.
> Good catch!
>
> The children in the kindergartens are brainwashed
> with popular books about relativity.
> What a shame!

Right, poor fanatic halfbrain. A shame. Though The
Shit is rather starting its job in the middle of primary
school.

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Thursday 22 February 2024 at 11:24:23 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > Den 22.02.2024 08:41, skrev Thomas Heger:
> > >
> > > Einstein was made kind of 'pop star of physics'.
> > >
> > > This required coordinated efforts of large parts of the mainstream media
> > > of that time.
> > >
> > > But his fame was NOT caused by his paper(-s), because almost nobody had
> > > read them and those who did had critisised them.
> > >
> > > This fact alone would be sufficiant to raise eyebrows and be sceptical
> > > about the narrative.
> > >
> > > But it went far further than simple fame and presence in the media.
> > >
> > > Einstein's face was printed on stamps, posters and money. TV-shows,
> > > schools and kindergardens were named after him.
> > >
> > > So, Einstein was efficiently 'deified'.
> > >
> > > But still nobody read his papers.
> > >
> > > This was actually unnecessary, because popular versions of his theories
> > > were writen and printed into tons of very nice books with pritty
> > > pictures for TV-shows, schools and kindergardens.
> > Good catch!
> >
> > The children in the kindergartens are brainwashed
> > with popular books about relativity.
> > What a shame!
> Right, poor fanatic halfbrain. A shame. Though The
> Shit is rather starting its job in the middle of primary
> school.
Yes, the man has been deified in the minds of his defenders, or they would recognize the obvious and unmistakable faults of his relativity. For example, a scientific model cannot explain causation when it involves the reification fallacy. People like Tom Roberts are doing math divorced from physics when they use such models as curved space. That cannot explain causation any more than measuring where the clown's nose stopped can explain why he stopped suddenly.