On Jan 25, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <LCBsN.169105$yEgf.149514@fx09.iad>):

> On 2024-01-25 17:47, Bill W wrote:
>
> >
> > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
> (Bill: when you've dug yourself into a hole, CW holds the first thing to
> do is: stop digging).

You have differing opinions, so I'm in a hole? Gotcha.

On 2024-01-25 19:35, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <LCBsN.169105$yEgf.149514@fx09.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-25 17:47, Bill W wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
>> (Bill: when you've dug yourself into a hole, CW holds the first thing to
>> do is: stop digging).
>
> You have differing opinions, so I'm in a hole? Gotcha.

It's your kneejerk labeling. When you do that it dilutes and washes
away anything contributory you might have to make.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 26, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <%OPsN.16841$mMj7.7626@fx01.iad>):

> On 2024-01-25 19:35, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 25, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <LCBsN.169105$yEgf.149514@fx09.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-25 17:47, Bill W wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
> > > (Bill: when you've dug yourself into a hole, CW holds the first thing to
> > > do is: stop digging).
> >
> > You have differing opinions, so I'm in a hole? Gotcha.
>
> It's your kneejerk labeling.

Anyone who ever posts anything slightly conservative sounding gets the full
maga treatment here. I’ve never seen you criticize those posts. Why is
that? Those posts should qualify for “knee-jerk” status. I’m pretty
sure you’re just another lockstep liberal, in spite of your denials. That
doesn’t make you evil, just impossible to take seriously.

> When you do that it dilutes and washes
> away anything contributory you might have to make.

Does that also apply to Geoff? I must have overlooked you calling him out,
too.

On 2024-01-26 13:29, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <%OPsN.16841$mMj7.7626@fx01.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-25 19:35, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <LCBsN.169105$yEgf.149514@fx09.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-25 17:47, Bill W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
>>>> (Bill: when you've dug yourself into a hole, CW holds the first thing to
>>>> do is: stop digging).
>>>
>>> You have differing opinions, so I'm in a hole? Gotcha.
>>
>> It's your kneejerk labeling.
>
> Anyone who ever posts anything slightly conservative sounding gets the full
> maga treatment here. I’ve never seen you criticize those posts. Why is
> that? Those posts should qualify for “knee-jerk” status. I’m pretty
> sure you’re just another lockstep liberal, in spite of your denials. That
> doesn’t make you evil, just impossible to take seriously.

More of your judgemental BS.

>
>> When you do that it dilutes and washes
>> away anything contributory you might have to make.
>
> Does that also apply to Geoff? I must have overlooked you calling him out,
> too.

He's been quite moderate IMO - you on the other hand retort with things
like:

QUOTE
On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:

> arrogant liberal (redundancy)

END QUOTE

So - your protests ring hollow.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 26, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <TwWsN.286377$PuZ9.279661@fx11.iad>):

> On 2024-01-26 13:29, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <%OPsN.16841$mMj7.7626@fx01.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-25 19:35, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 25, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > (in article <LCBsN.169105$yEgf.149514@fx09.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-01-25 17:47, Bill W wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”,
> > > > > > all
> > > > > (Bill: when you've dug yourself into a hole, CW holds the first thing to
> > > > > do is: stop digging).
> > > >
> > > > You have differing opinions, so I'm in a hole? Gotcha.
> > >
> > > It's your kneejerk labeling.
> >
> > Anyone who ever posts anything slightly conservative sounding gets the full
> > maga treatment here. I’ve never seen you criticize those posts. Why is
> > that? Those posts should qualify for “knee-jerk” status. I’m pretty
> > sure you’re just another lockstep liberal, in spite of your denials. That
> > doesn’t make you evil, just impossible to take seriously.
>
> More of your judgemental BS.
>
> >
> > > When you do that it dilutes and washes
> > > away anything contributory you might have to make.
> >
> > Does that also apply to Geoff? I must have overlooked you calling him out,
> > too.
>
> He's been quite moderate IMO - you on the other hand retort with things
> like:
>
> QUOTE
> On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:
>
> > arrogant liberal (redundancy)
>
> END QUOTE
>
> So - your protests ring hollow.

Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to differentiate
better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and hate.”
He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?

On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
>>
>>>>>> I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and more
>>>>>> varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge what
>>>>>> suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> What have I said that is right-wing?
>>>>
>>>> Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the likes
>>>> of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort of
>>>> hint.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
>>
>> As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
>> inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
>
> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
> you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is golly
> gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special. You are
> special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things, and
> you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know just
> how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if you’ve
> ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things, or if
> some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all talk.

It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
president who proudly displays all those factors.

geoff

On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:

> Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to differentiate
> better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and hate.”
> He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
> than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?

That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
look into.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
> > >
> > > > > > > I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and more
> > > > > > > varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge what
> > > > > > > suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > What have I said that is right-wing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the likes
> > > > > of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort of
> > > > > hint.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
> > >
> > > As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
> > > inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
> >
> > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
> > you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is golly
> > gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special. You
> > are
> > special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things, and
> > you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know just
> > how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if you’ve
> > ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things, or if
> > some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all talk.
>
> It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
> with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
> president who proudly displays all those factors.
Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are you
aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?

On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):

> On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
>
> > Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
> > differentiate
> > better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and hate.”
> > He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
> > than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
>
> That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
> If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
> look into.

Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know things
without any effort. Save me some time.

On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
>>
>>> Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
>>> differentiate
>>> better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and hate.”
>>> He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
>>> than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
>>
>> That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
>> If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
>> look into.
>
> Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know things
> without any effort. Save me some time.

First off, I'm not a liberal.

Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
explaining is going to help you.

Any good colleges offering night classes for "adult" students near you?
They probably have something to fill you.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):

> On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
> > > > differentiate
> > > > better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and
> > > > hate.”
> > > > He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
> > > > than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
> > >
> > > That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
> > > If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
> > > look into.
> >
> > Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know
> > things
> > without any effort. Save me some time.
>
> First off, I'm not a liberal.

At least you have a sense of humor.

> Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
> explaining is going to help you.

You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I was
curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.

On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and more
>>>>>>>> varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge what
>>>>>>>> suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>> What have I said that is right-wing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the likes
>>>>>> of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort of
>>>>>> hint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
>>>>
>>>> As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
>>>> inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
>>>
>>> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
>>> you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is golly
>>> gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special. You
>>> are
>>> special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things, and
>>> you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know just
>>> how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if you’ve
>>> ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things, or if
>>> some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all talk.
>>
>> It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
>> with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
>> president who proudly displays all those factors.
> Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
> those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are you
> aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
> maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?

Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.

geoff

On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
>>>>> differentiate
>>>>> better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and
>>>>> hate.”
>>>>> He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more moderate
>>>>> than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
>>>>
>>>> That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
>>>> If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
>>>> look into.
>>>
>>> Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know
>>> things
>>> without any effort. Save me some time.
>>
>> First off, I'm not a liberal.
>
> At least you have a sense of humor.
>
>> Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
>> explaining is going to help you.
>
> You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
> help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I was
> curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.

I'm not here to educate you. And with the above it's clear that finding
the person who can could be a personal challenge for you - but as I
mentioned (and you snipped) there is likely a college nearby with some
night classes that might help you.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 28, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<qQOdnbE2HbS6uCv4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and more
> > > > > > > > > varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge what
> > > > > > > > > suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > > What have I said that is right-wing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the likes
> > > > > > > of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > hint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
> > > > >
> > > > > As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
> > > > > inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
> > > >
> > > > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
> > > > you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is
> > > > golly
> > > > gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special. You
> > > > are
> > > > special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things,
> > > > and
> > > > you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know
> > > > just
> > > > how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if
> > > > you’ve
> > > > ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things, or
> > > > if
> > > > some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all
> > > > talk.
> > >
> > > It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
> > > with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
> > > president who proudly displays all those factors.
> > Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
> > those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are
> > you
> > aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
> > maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?
>
> Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.
>
> Geoff

Those words are pretty negative, but also would be far too kind for the
despicable likes of you. You can’t even condemn the targeting of innocents
for mass murder, torture and rape? What a fucking pig. You are why I hate the
left.

On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):

> On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > (in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
> > > > > > differentiate
> > > > > > better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and
> > > > > > hate.”
> > > > > > He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more
> > > > > > moderate
> > > > > > than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
> > > > >
> > > > > That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
> > > > > If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
> > > > > look into.
> > > >
> > > > Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know
> > > > things
> > > > without any effort. Save me some time.
> > >
> > > First off, I'm not a liberal.
> >
> > At least you have a sense of humor.
> >
> > > Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
> > > explaining is going to help you.
> >
> > You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
> > help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I
> > was
> > curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.
>
> I'm not here to educate you.

Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because you
are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line generally
agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and
the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
among us.

On 2024-01-28 12:34, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
<S>
>>>> Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
>>>> explaining is going to help you.
>>>
>>> You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
>>> help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I
>>> was
>>> curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.
>>
>> I'm not here to educate you.
>
> Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because you

You're correct that I can't educate you. But that's not my problem.

> are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line generally
> agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and

You should know that differences of such things are not discrete, but
fall at different places on a smoothish, non-linear continuum.

> the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
> among us.

Indirect insults aren't any classier than the direct kind - esp. when
poorly and wrongly aimed.

Funny how you keep snipping away the suggestion that you attend some
night classes to brush up your understanding of things...

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <SXztN.301654$c3Ea.195788@fx10.iad>):

> On 2024-01-28 12:34, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> <S>
> > > > > Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
> > > > > explaining is going to help you.
> > > >
> > > > You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
> > > > help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I
> > > > was
> > > > curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.
> > >
> > > I'm not here to educate you.
> >
> > Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because you
>
> You're correct that I can't educate you. But that's not my problem.
>
> > are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line
> > generally
> > agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and
>
> You should know that differences of such things are not discrete, but
> fall at different places on a smoothish, non-linear continuum.

Please, I’m asking nicely. Just tell me your version of the difference, and
then cite your source. But I think we both know that the source is somewhere
in your head only. I know that “right-wing” is intended as some sort of
pejorative, but it’s meaningless without some definition from the person
using it.

> > the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
> > among us.
>
> Indirect insults aren't any classier than the direct kind - esp. when
> poorly and wrongly aimed.
>
> Funny how you keep snipping away the suggestion that you attend some
> night classes to brush up your understanding of things...

Just sparing you the embarrassment of anyone seeing it over and over again.
Out of kindness, I’ll give you a tip: no need for night school for you, you
can just Google “right-wing” before you go on looking ignorant. It’s so
easy.

On 2024-01-28 19:59, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <SXztN.301654$c3Ea.195788@fx10.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-28 12:34, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>>>> (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>> <S>
>>>>>> Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
>>>>>> explaining is going to help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
>>>>> help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not here to educate you.
>>>
>>> Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because you
>>
>> You're correct that I can't educate you. But that's not my problem.
>>
>>> are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line
>>> generally
>>> agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and
>>
>> You should know that differences of such things are not discrete, but
>> fall at different places on a smoothish, non-linear continuum.
>
> Please, I’m asking nicely. Just tell me your version of the difference, and
> then cite your source. But I think we both know that the source is somewhere
> in your head only. I know that “right-wing” is intended as some sort of
> pejorative, but it’s meaningless without some definition from the person
> using it.

Weak. (Wrong too).

>
>>> the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
>>> among us.
>>
>> Indirect insults aren't any classier than the direct kind - esp. when
>> poorly and wrongly aimed.
>>
>> Funny how you keep snipping away the suggestion that you attend some
>> night classes to brush up your understanding of things...
>
> Just sparing you the embarrassment of anyone seeing it over and over again.
> Out of kindness, I’ll give you a tip: no need for night school for you, you
> can just Google “right-wing” before you go on looking ignorant. It’s so
> easy.

Google huh? The confirmation bias seeking engine. I'm sure you're very
familiar with it.

I'm done.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <SINtN.258087$7sbb.115157@fx16.iad>):

> On 2024-01-28 19:59, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <SXztN.301654$c3Ea.195788@fx10.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-28 12:34, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > (in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > > > (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > <S>
> > > > > > > Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
> > > > > > > explaining is going to help you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed
> > > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not here to educate you.
> > > >
> > > > Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because
> > > > you
> > >
> > > You're correct that I can't educate you. But that's not my problem.
> > >
> > > > are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line
> > > > generally
> > > > agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and
> > >
> > > You should know that differences of such things are not discrete, but
> > > fall at different places on a smoothish, non-linear continuum.
> >
> > Please, I’m asking nicely. Just tell me your version of the difference,
> > and
> > then cite your source. But I think we both know that the source is somewhere
> > in your head only. I know that “right-wing” is intended as some sort of
> > pejorative, but it’s meaningless without some definition from the person
> > using it.
>
> Weak. (Wrong too).
>
> >
> > > > the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
> > > > among us.
> > >
> > > Indirect insults aren't any classier than the direct kind - esp. when
> > > poorly and wrongly aimed.
> > >
> > > Funny how you keep snipping away the suggestion that you attend some
> > > night classes to brush up your understanding of things...
> >
> > Just sparing you the embarrassment of anyone seeing it over and over again.
> > Out of kindness, I’ll give you a tip: no need for night school for you,
> > you
> > can just Google “right-wing” before you go on looking ignorant. It’s
> > so
> > easy.
>
> Google huh? The confirmation bias seeking engine. I'm sure you're very
> familiar with it.
>
> I'm done.

Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it and
couldn’t find the confirmation you sought. But nice try anyway. BTW,
another characteristic of liberals is that they are forbidden to ever admit
that they might be wrong about anything. It might be time to stop claiming
that you are conservative. Unless you meant that you are a conservative
dresser, or something.

On 29/01/2024 6:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<qQOdnbE2HbS6uCv4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>> (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and more
>>>>>>>>>> varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge what
>>>>>>>>>> suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>> What have I said that is right-wing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the likes
>>>>>>>> of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> hint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
>>>>>> inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”, all
>>>>> you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is
>>>>> golly
>>>>> gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special. You
>>>>> are
>>>>> special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things,
>>>>> and
>>>>> you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know
>>>>> just
>>>>> how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if
>>>>> you’ve
>>>>> ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things, or
>>>>> if
>>>>> some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all
>>>>> talk.
>>>>
>>>> It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
>>>> with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
>>>> president who proudly displays all those factors.
>>> Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
>>> those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are
>>> you
>>> aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
>>> maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?
>>
>> Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.
>>
>> Geoff
>
> Those words are pretty negative, but also would be far too kind for the
> despicable likes of you. You can’t even condemn the targeting of innocents
> for mass murder, torture and rape? What a fucking pig. You are why I hate the
> left.
>
>

Why are you calling me a fucking pig for your *imagined* failure on my
part of condemning the Hamas terrorists who carried out that evil attack
? Of course I condemn it, in the strongest of terms and on several
grounds. But that statement of yours,... well, I won't bother posting
here what I think of you in response.

I don't think too many people of any persuasion wouldn't condemn the
actions of those conservative religo/political fanatics.

However (and by no means any excuse for the Hamas violence), try
thinking hard about was gave rise to Hamas. And think even harder (yes,
it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
immoral extreme response has been will achieve. Wipe out Hamas, or
reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
activists ?

The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
race/nationality. Ring a bell ?

On 29/01/2024 6:34 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <kxutN.314255$xHn7.300450@fx14.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-27 21:31, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <AUhtN.256281$7sbb.143452@fx16.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-27 12:54, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>>>> (in article <0i8tN.255546$7sbb.230421@fx16.iad>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-01-26 23:48, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here’s a little something he wrote: "I certainly feel able to
>>>>>>> differentiate
>>>>>>> better than some who have an agenda based on privilege, greed, and
>>>>>>> hate.”
>>>>>>> He’s referring to conservatives, right? You feel that’s more
>>>>>>> moderate
>>>>>>> than what I wrote? Are you digging yourself into a hole?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That wasn't aimed at conservatives, that was aimed at the right wing.
>>>>>> If you don't know the difference, that is probably something you should
>>>>>> look into.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don’t you explain it to me? You’re a liberal, so you just know
>>>>> things
>>>>> without any effort. Save me some time.
>>>>
>>>> First off, I'm not a liberal.
>>>
>>> At least you have a sense of humor.
>>>
>>>> Secondly, if you haven't figured out the difference yet, no amount of
>>>> explaining is going to help you.
>>>
>>> You are right, no amount of explaining from a clueless liberal is going to
>>> help. I asked you to explain it to me because you are clearly clueless. I
>>> was
>>> curious what sort of nonsense you might come up with. You disappointed me.
>>
>> I'm not here to educate you.
>
> Likely because you understand that you can’t, and you can’t because you
> are wrong, and that is rooted in ignorance. There is no bright-line generally
> agreed on distinction between “right-wing” and “conservative”, and
> the only people who don’t understand that are the MSNBC addicts who live
> among us.

Or those attempting to obfuscate.

geoff

On Jan 29, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<qW6dnY3ZAsefqSX4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 29/01/2024 6:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<qQOdnbE2HbS6uCv4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and
> > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge
> > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > > > > What have I said that is right-wing?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the
> > > > > > > > > likes
> > > > > > > > > of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > hint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
> > > > > > > inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”,
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is
> > > > > > golly
> > > > > > gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if
> > > > > > you’ve
> > > > > > ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all
> > > > > > talk.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
> > > > > with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
> > > > > president who proudly displays all those factors.
> > > > Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
> > > > those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are
> > > > you
> > > > aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
> > > > maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?
> > >
> > > Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> >
> > Those words are pretty negative, but also would be far too kind for the
> > despicable likes of you. You can’t even condemn the targeting of innocents
> > for mass murder, torture and rape? What a fucking pig. You are why I hate
> > the
> > left.
>
> Why are you calling me a fucking pig for your *imagined*

Hardly imagined. See below.

> failure on my
> part of condemning the Hamas terrorists who carried out that evil attack
> ? Of course I condemn it, in the strongest of terms and on several
> grounds. But that statement of yours,... well, I won't bother posting
> here what I think of you in response.
>
> I don't think too many people of any persuasion wouldn't condemn the
> actions of those conservative religo/political fanatics.
>
> However

.... of course. “However”. If you saw video of an IDF soldier point blank
executing an infant, would you “condemn it in the strongest possible
terms”, and then follow immediately with “however”? Be honest.

> (and by no means any excuse for the Hamas violence),

Of course - the required disclaimer, even though that’s exactly what you
are about to do.

> try
> thinking hard about was gave rise to Hamas.

And stop there? Why? What gave rise to whatever gave rise to Hamas? And on
and on it goes. You stop there because that is what your liberal handlers
have commanded. Liberal followers like yourself never think at all about what
they are repeating. There is no independent thought, and it’s so obvious.
Everything you’ve written I could just watch MSNBC to see it first. You
really need to expand your sources. Just throw in a little right leaning
anything to see if some brain cells wake up.

> And think even harder (yes,
> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.

Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this trouble.
Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.

> Wipe out Hamas, or
> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
> activists ?
> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?

The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding of
Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
world.

On 30/01/2024 4:09 pm, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 29, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<qW6dnY3ZAsefqSX4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 29/01/2024 6:29 am, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<qQOdnbE2HbS6uCv4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>> (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>>>> (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>> What have I said that is right-wing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the
>>>>>>>>>> likes
>>>>>>>>>> of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some sort
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> hint.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
>>>>>>>> inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”,
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is
>>>>>>> golly
>>>>>>> gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right things,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if
>>>>>>> you’ve
>>>>>>> ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all
>>>>>>> talk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a problem
>>>>>> with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
>>>>>> president who proudly displays all those factors.
>>>>> Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any of
>>>>> those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And are
>>>>> you
>>>>> aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the left -
>>>>> maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?
>>>>
>>>> Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> Those words are pretty negative, but also would be far too kind for the
>>> despicable likes of you. You can’t even condemn the targeting of innocents
>>> for mass murder, torture and rape? What a fucking pig. You are why I hate
>>> the
>>> left.
>>
>> Why are you calling me a fucking pig for your *imagined*
>
> Hardly imagined. See below.
>
>> failure on my
>> part of condemning the Hamas terrorists who carried out that evil attack
>> ? Of course I condemn it, in the strongest of terms and on several
>> grounds. But that statement of yours,... well, I won't bother posting
>> here what I think of you in response.
>>
>> I don't think too many people of any persuasion wouldn't condemn the
>> actions of those conservative religo/political fanatics.
>>
>> However
>
> ... of course. “However”. If you saw video of an IDF soldier point blank
> executing an infant, would you “condemn it in the strongest possible
> terms”, and then follow immediately with “however”? Be honest.
>
>> (and by no means any excuse for the Hamas violence),
>
> Of course - the required disclaimer, even though that’s exactly what you
> are about to do.
>
>> try
>> thinking hard about was gave rise to Hamas.
>
> And stop there? Why? What gave rise to whatever gave rise to Hamas? And on
> and on it goes. You stop there because that is what your liberal handlers
> have commanded. Liberal followers like yourself never think at all about what
> they are repeating. There is no independent thought, and it’s so obvious.
> Everything you’ve written I could just watch MSNBC to see it first. You
> really need to expand your sources. Just throw in a little right leaning
> anything to see if some brain cells wake up.
>
>> And think even harder (yes,
>> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
>> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
>> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
>
> Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this trouble.
> Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
> repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.

You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?

>
>> Wipe out Hamas, or
>> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
>> activists ?
>> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
>> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
>
> The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding of
> Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
> world.
>
>

I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
you. Having lived there also helps.

So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?

geoff

On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote

>> I'm done.
>
> Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it and
> couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.

Didn't even try.

Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 30/01/2024 4:09 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<qW6dnY3ZAsefqSX4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 29/01/2024 6:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 28, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<qQOdnbE2HbS6uCv4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 28/01/2024 6:52 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 26, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > (in article<q4GdnSGe-ZofDSn4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 26/01/2024 11:47 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article<Nbicncklbfd_SS_4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 25/01/2024 5:33 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that my sources and opinions are based on a wider and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > varied gammut than yours, and/or you choose to only acknowledge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suits your right-wing pred*i*lections.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > > > > > > What have I said that is right-wing?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Labeling anything just one or two goose-steps to the left of (the
> > > > > > > > > > > likes
> > > > > > > > > > > of) GOP attitudes as left-wing and arrogantly liberal gives some
> > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > hint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I assume it’s okay to call you left-wing?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As you like. If that means that I have a problem with inequality,
> > > > > > > > > inequity, xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed, etc - then OK.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have wondered why I keep using the term “arrogant liberal”,
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > you need to do is read what you just wrote up there. All I can say is
> > > > > > > > golly
> > > > > > > > gee, you are against bad things. In your mind that makes you special.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > special. All liberals are special. You all know to say the right
> > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > you never stop saying them. It is oh so important for everyone to know
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > how good and smart y’all are. I’m convinced. But I do wonder if
> > > > > > > > you’ve
> > > > > > > > ever asked yourself if conservatives might also be against bad things,
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > some liberals might actually not be against those things, and are all
> > > > > > > > talk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It appears many US right-wingers appear to not have so much of a
> > > > > > > problem
> > > > > > > with those things in that many appear happy to nominate and vote for a
> > > > > > > president who proudly displays all those factors.
> > > > > > Do any voters on the left also vote for any politicians who display any
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > those traits? I mean... in your world, wherever that might exist. And
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > aware of any recent displays of virulent hatred and racism from the
> > > > > > left -
> > > > > > maybe thinking about after Oct 7? Anything at all?
> > > > >
> > > > > Only hatred of virulent extremism, racism and fascism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > Those words are pretty negative, but also would be far too kind for the
> > > > despicable likes of you. You can’t even condemn the targeting of
> > > > innocents
> > > > for mass murder, torture and rape? What a fucking pig. You are why I hate
> > > > the
> > > > left.
> > >
> > > Why are you calling me a fucking pig for your *imagined*
> >
> > Hardly imagined. See below.
> >
> > > failure on my
> > > part of condemning the Hamas terrorists who carried out that evil attack
> > > ? Of course I condemn it, in the strongest of terms and on several
> > > grounds. But that statement of yours,... well, I won't bother posting
> > > here what I think of you in response.
> > >
> > > I don't think too many people of any persuasion wouldn't condemn the
> > > actions of those conservative religo/political fanatics.
> > >
> > > However
> >
> > ... of course. “However”. If you saw video of an IDF soldier point blank
> > executing an infant, would you “condemn it in the strongest possible
> > terms”, and then follow immediately with “however”? Be honest.
> >
> > > (and by no means any excuse for the Hamas violence),
> >
> > Of course - the required disclaimer, even though that’s exactly what you
> > are about to do.
> >
> > > try
> > > thinking hard about was gave rise to Hamas.
> >
> > And stop there? Why? What gave rise to whatever gave rise to Hamas? And on
> > and on it goes. You stop there because that is what your liberal handlers
> > have commanded. Liberal followers like yourself never think at all about
> > what
> > they are repeating. There is no independent thought, and it’s so obvious.
> > Everything you’ve written I could just watch MSNBC to see it first. You
> > really need to expand your sources. Just throw in a little right leaning
> > anything to see if some brain cells wake up.
> >
> > > And think even harder (yes,
> > > it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> > > fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
> > > immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
> >
> > Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this trouble.
> > Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
> > repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
>
> You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?

I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of innocents.
And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.

> >
> > > Wipe out Hamas, or
> > > reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
> > > activists ?
> > > The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> > > race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
> >
> > The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding of
> > Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
> > world.
>
> I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
> you. Having lived there also helps.
>
> So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
> proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
> shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
>
> geoff