On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.256425@fx17.iad>):

> On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>
> > > I'm done.
> >
> > Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it and
> > couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.
>
> Didn't even try.
>
> Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.

Of course you’re bored. You’re bored easily - so easily that you never
bother to learn anything that might clash with your preconceptions.

On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
And think even harder (yes,
>>>> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
>>>> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
>>>> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
>>>
>>> Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this trouble.
>>> Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
>>> repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
>>
>> You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?
>
> I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of innocents

His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
justification for' him' to justify it.
..
> And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.

No you don't apparently.

>>>
>>>> Wipe out Hamas, or
>>>> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
>>>> activists ?
>>>> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
>>>> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
>>>
>>> The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding of
>>> Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
>>> world.
>>
>> I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
>> you. Having lived there also helps.
>>
>> So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
>> proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
>> shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
>>
>> geoff
>
> OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now it’s
> clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
> civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their kids,
> rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including infants,
> massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans had
> treated me better than any other population ever did,

Ha ha.

and that maybe my
> perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected leaders” -
> let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all my
> problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
> because, uh, reasons!

Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.

>
> BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?

I don't know, but I am guessing USA.

geoff

On 2024-01-30 11:54, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.256425@fx17.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>
>>>> I'm done.
>>>
>>> Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it and
>>> couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.
>>
>> Didn't even try.
>>
>> Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.
>
> Of course you’re bored. You’re bored easily - so easily that you never
> bother to learn anything that might clash with your preconceptions.

Not at all. But...

******
On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:

> arrogant liberal (redundancy)
*******+

9 days ago, based on the above ***/***, I said to myself, "Alan old
dude, don't waste your time on this dweeb." But - I didn't heed my own
advice. That's on me. I will now.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <wqduN.103737$JLvf.35023@fx44.iad>):

> On 2024-01-30 11:54, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.256425@fx17.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > >
> > > > > I'm done.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it
> > > > and
> > > > couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.
> > >
> > > Didn't even try.
> > >
> > > Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.
> >
> > Of course you’re bored. You’re bored easily - so easily that you never
> > bother to learn anything that might clash with your preconceptions.
>
> Not at all. But...
>
> ******
> On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:
>
> > arrogant liberal (redundancy)
> *******+
>
> 9 days ago, based on the above ***/***, I said to myself, "Alan old
> dude, don't waste your time on this dweeb." But - I didn't heed my own
> advice. That's on me. I will now.

I thought that you weren’t a liberal.

On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> And think even harder (yes,
> > > > > it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> > > > > fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
> > > > > immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
> > > >
> > > > Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
> > > > trouble.
> > > > Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
> > > > repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
> > >
> > > You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?
> >
> > I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of innocents
>
> His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
> justification for' him' to justify it.
> .
> > And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
>
> No you don't apparently.
>
> > > >
> > > > > Wipe out Hamas, or
> > > > > reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
> > > > > activists ?
> > > > > The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> > > > > race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
> > > >
> > > > The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding
> > > > of
> > > > Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
> > > > world.
> > >
> > > I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
> > > you. Having lived there also helps.
> > >
> > > So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
> > > proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
> > > shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
> > >
> > > geoff
> >
> > OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now it’s
> > clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
> > civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
> > kids,
> > rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including infants,
> > massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans had
> > treated me better than any other population ever did,
>
> Ha ha.
>
> and that maybe my
> > perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected leaders” -
> > let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all my
> > problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
> > because, uh, reasons!
>
> Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.

Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded hatred
from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews for
this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very people
who declare this openly.

> > BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
>
> I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
>
> geoff

Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
the river to the sea?

Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of any
leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around that
one. I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.

On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>> And think even harder (yes,
>>>>>> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
>>>>>> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
>>>>>> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>> Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than a
>>>>> repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
>>>>
>>>> You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?
>>>
>>> I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of innocents
>>
>> His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
>> justification for' him' to justify it.
>> .
>>> And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
>>
>> No you don't apparently.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wipe out Hamas, or
>>>>>> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more extreme
>>>>>> activists ?
>>>>>> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
>>>>>> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
>>>>>
>>>>> The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding
>>>>> of
>>>>> Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
>>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
>>>> you. Having lived there also helps.
>>>>
>>>> So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
>>>> proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
>>>> shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now it’s
>>> clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
>>> civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
>>> kids,
>>> rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including infants,
>>> massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans had
>>> treated me better than any other population ever did,
>>
>> Ha ha.
>>
>> and that maybe my
>>> perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected leaders” -
>>> let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all my
>>> problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
>>> because, uh, reasons!
>>
>> Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.
>
> Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded hatred
> from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews for
> this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very people
> who declare this openly.
>
>>> BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
>>
>> I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
>>
>> geoff
>
> Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
> that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
> the river to the sea?

Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?

>
> Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of any
> leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around that
> one.

Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.

I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
> that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
response vile.

Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.

geoff

On 2024-01-30 17:18, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <wqduN.103737$JLvf.35023@fx44.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-30 11:54, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.256425@fx17.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it
>>>>> and
>>>>> couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't even try.
>>>>
>>>> Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.
>>>
>>> Of course you’re bored. You’re bored easily - so easily that you never
>>> bother to learn anything that might clash with your preconceptions.
>>
>> Not at all. But...
>>
>> ******
>> On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:
>>
>>> arrogant liberal (redundancy)
>> *******+
>>
>> 9 days ago, based on the above ***/***, I said to myself, "Alan old
>> dude, don't waste your time on this dweeb." But - I didn't heed my own
>> advice. That's on me. I will now.
>
> I thought that you weren’t a liberal.

I'm not. But thanks for confirming your comprehension limitations.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <nLguN.103739$JLvf.101049@fx44.iad>):

> On 2024-01-30 17:18, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > (in article <wqduN.103737$JLvf.35023@fx44.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2024-01-30 11:54, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > (in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.256425@fx17.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 2024-01-29 10:07, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 29, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course you’re done. You have no choice now that you’ve Googled it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > couldn’t find the confirmation you sought.
> > > > >
> > > > > Didn't even try.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just bored with you and the subject. You're a boor too.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you’re bored. You’re bored easily - so easily that you never
> > > > bother to learn anything that might clash with your preconceptions.
> > >
> > > Not at all. But...
> > >
> > > ******
> > > On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:
> > >
> > > > arrogant liberal (redundancy)
> > > *******+
> > >
> > > 9 days ago, based on the above ***/***, I said to myself, "Alan old
> > > dude, don't waste your time on this dweeb." But - I didn't heed my own
> > > advice. That's on me. I will now.
> >
> > I thought that you weren’t a liberal.
>
> I'm not. But thanks for confirming your comprehension limitations.

Then what do you care that I used the term, “arrogant liberal”?

On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<U5icnYDNDZN1GCT4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > And think even harder (yes,
> > > > > > > it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> > > > > > > fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
> > > > > > > immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
> > > > > > trouble.
> > > > > > Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?
> > > >
> > > > I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of
> > > > innocents
> > >
> > > His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
> > > justification for' him' to justify it.
> > > .
> > > > And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
> > >
> > > No you don't apparently.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wipe out Hamas, or
> > > > > > > reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more
> > > > > > > extreme
> > > > > > > activists ?
> > > > > > > The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> > > > > > > race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
> > > > > > world.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
> > > > > you. Having lived there also helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
> > > > > proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
> > > > > shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
> > > > >
> > > > > geoff
> > > >
> > > > OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now
> > > > it’s
> > > > clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
> > > > civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
> > > > kids,
> > > > rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including infants,
> > > > massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans
> > > > had
> > > > treated me better than any other population ever did,
> > >
> > > Ha ha.
> > >
> > > and that maybe my
> > > > perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected
> > > > leaders” -
> > > > let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all my
> > > > problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
> > > > because, uh, reasons!
> > >
> > > Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.
> >
> > Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded
> > hatred
> > from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews
> > for
> > this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very
> > people
> > who declare this openly.
> >
> > > > BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
> > >
> > > I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
> > >
> > > geoff
> >
> > Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
> > that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
> > the river to the sea?
>
> Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
> and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?
>
> >
> > Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of any
> > leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around
> > that
> > one.
>
> Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
> diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
> be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.
>
> I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
> > that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
> Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
> find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
> response vile.
>
> Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
> isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.
>
> Geoff

It’s simple. To moral, rational people, some evil actions cannot be judged
within some context. The things Hamas did include those actions. There is no
way at all to explain them away, there is no justification to “condemn”
those actions, and then follow with the word, “however”. Anyone who does
is also evil. Or do you just refuse to believe what they actually did? Were
the videos shown to certain people AI generated fakes? Are you just under the
spell of the Jew hating leftist supporters of Hamas? Again, the likes of you
are why I hate the left.

On 31/01/2024 3:29 pm, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<U5icnYDNDZN1GCT4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>> (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>> And think even harder (yes,
>>>>>>>> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
>>>>>>>> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate and
>>>>>>>> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>> Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more than
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme right-wing ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of
>>>>> innocents
>>>>
>>>> His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
>>>> justification for' him' to justify it.
>>>> .
>>>>> And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
>>>>
>>>> No you don't apparently.
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wipe out Hamas, or
>>>>>>>> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more
>>>>>>>> extreme
>>>>>>>> activists ?
>>>>>>>> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
>>>>>>>> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your understanding
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of the
>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
>>>>>> you. Having lived there also helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
>>>>>> proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population like
>>>>>> shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was allocated ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
>>>>> civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
>>>>> kids,
>>>>> rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including infants,
>>>>> massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans
>>>>> had
>>>>> treated me better than any other population ever did,
>>>>
>>>> Ha ha.
>>>>
>>>> and that maybe my
>>>>> perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected
>>>>> leaders” -
>>>>> let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all my
>>>>> problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
>>>>> because, uh, reasons!
>>>>
>>>> Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.
>>>
>>> Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded
>>> hatred
>>> from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews
>>> for
>>> this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very
>>> people
>>> who declare this openly.
>>>
>>>>> BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
>>> that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
>>> the river to the sea?
>>
>> Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
>> and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?
>>
>>>
>>> Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of any
>>> leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around
>>> that
>>> one.
>>
>> Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
>> diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
>> be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.
>>
>> I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
>>> that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
>> Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
>> find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
>> response vile.
>>
>> Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
>> isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.
>>
>> Geoff
>
> It’s simple. To moral, rational people, some evil actions cannot be judged
> within some context. The things Hamas did include those actions. There is no
> way at all to explain them away, there is no justification to “condemn”
> those actions,

Yes, no justification to 'not condemn' .... I think is what you mean.

>and then follow with the word, “however”.

So no historical background to a situation can even be referred to ?
Denial of history - convenient for you.

>Anyone who does
> is also evil.

Well fuck you too arsehole.

> Or do you just refuse to believe what they actually did? Were
> the videos shown to certain people AI generated fakes? Are you just under
> the spell of the Jew hating leftist supporters of Hamas?

Why do you imagine that anybody thinks anything so ridiculous ? Do you
use such a bizarre assertion to justify your twisted POV ?

> Again, the likes of you
> are why I hate the left.

Well I take that as a complement, considering.

geoff

On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<V8mcnUdKgYiMUiT4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 31/01/2024 3:29 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<U5icnYDNDZN1GCT4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > And think even harder (yes,
> > > > > > > > > it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> > > > > > > > > fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
> > > > > > > > trouble.
> > > > > > > > Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme
> > > > > > > right-wing ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of
> > > > > > innocents
> > > > >
> > > > > His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
> > > > > justification for' him' to justify it.
> > > > > .
> > > > > > And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
> > > > >
> > > > > No you don't apparently.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wipe out Hamas, or
> > > > > > > > > reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more
> > > > > > > > > extreme
> > > > > > > > > activists ?
> > > > > > > > > The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> > > > > > > > > race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your
> > > > > > > > understanding
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
> > > > > > > you. Having lived there also helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
> > > > > > > proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was
> > > > > > > allocated ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now
> > > > > > it’s
> > > > > > clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
> > > > > > civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
> > > > > > kids,
> > > > > > rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including
> > > > > > infants,
> > > > > > massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > treated me better than any other population ever did,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ha ha.
> > > > >
> > > > > and that maybe my
> > > > > > perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected
> > > > > > leaders” -
> > > > > > let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
> > > > > > because, uh, reasons!
> > > > >
> > > > > Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded
> > > > hatred
> > > > from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews
> > > > for
> > > > this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very
> > > > people
> > > > who declare this openly.
> > > >
> > > > > > BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
> > > > >
> > > > > geoff
> > > >
> > > > Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
> > > > that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
> > > > the river to the sea?
> > >
> > > Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
> > > and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of
> > > > any
> > > > leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around
> > > > that
> > > > one.
> > >
> > > Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
> > > diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
> > > be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.
> > >
> > > I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
> > > > that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
> > > Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
> > > find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
> > > response vile.
> > >
> > > Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
> > > isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> >
> > It’s simple. To moral, rational people, some evil actions cannot be judged
> > within some context. The things Hamas did include those actions. There is no
> > way at all to explain them away, there is no justification to “condemn”
> > those actions,
>
> Yes, no justification to 'not condemn' .... I think is what you mean.

I meant what I wrote - there were more words after that.
>
>
> > and then follow with the word, “however”.
>
> So no historical background to a situation can even be referred to ?
> Denial of history - convenient for you.

I said nothing of the sort, and you should know it. Following a rote
condemnation with some “explanation” for monstrous behavior is not
intended as a history lesson, it’s a way to maintain your liberal status
without upsetting the crackpots openly supporting Hamas.

> > Anyone who does
> > is also evil.
>
> Well fuck you too arsehole.
>
> > Or do you just refuse to believe what they actually did? Were
> > the videos shown to certain people AI generated fakes? Are you just under
> > the spell of the Jew hating leftist supporters of Hamas?
>
> Why do you imagine that anybody thinks anything so ridiculous ? Do you
> use such a bizarre assertion to justify your twisted POV ?

No human could see those videos, or acknolwledge that they exist, and still
try to justify what happened. Only a subhuman with zero morals, with no moral
center at all could do it. Enjoy the company you’ve joined.

On 2024-01-30 20:56, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <nLguN.103739$JLvf.101049@fx44.iad>):
>
>> On 2024-01-30 17:18, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article <wqduN.103737$JLvf.35023@fx44.iad>):
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-30 11:54, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 30, 2024, Alan Browne wrote
>>>>> (in article <GZ6uN.273479$Wp_8.25642
>>>> ******
>>>> On 2024-01-21 13:09, Bill W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> arrogant liberal (redundancy)
>>>> *******+
>>>>
>>>> 9 days ago, based on the above ***/***, I said to myself, "Alan old
>>>> dude, don't waste your time on this dweeb." But - I didn't heed my own
>>>> advice. That's on me. I will now.
>>>
>>> I thought that you weren’t a liberal.
>>
>> I'm not. But thanks for confirming your comprehension limitations.
>
> Then what do you care that I used the term, “arrogant liberal”?

Destroys your credibility, obviously.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 1/02/2024 9:05 am, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> (in article<V8mcnUdKgYiMUiT4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>> On 31/01/2024 3:29 pm, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>> (in article<U5icnYDNDZN1GCT4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>> (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
>>>>>>> (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>> And think even harder (yes,
>>>>>>>>>> it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
>>>>>>>>>> fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
>>>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>>>> Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme
>>>>>>>> right-wing ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of
>>>>>>> innocents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
>>>>>> justification for' him' to justify it.
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you don't apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wipe out Hamas, or
>>>>>>>>>> reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more
>>>>>>>>>> extreme
>>>>>>>>>> activists ?
>>>>>>>>>> The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
>>>>>>>>>> race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your
>>>>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region than
>>>>>>>> you. Having lived there also helps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
>>>>>>>> proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was
>>>>>>>> allocated ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now
>>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>>> clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
>>>>>>> civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of their
>>>>>>> kids,
>>>>>>> rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including
>>>>>>> infants,
>>>>>>> massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those Cubans
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> treated me better than any other population ever did,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha ha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and that maybe my
>>>>>>> perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected
>>>>>>> leaders” -
>>>>>>> let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
>>>>>>> because, uh, reasons!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded
>>>>> hatred
>>>>> from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say Jews
>>>>> for
>>>>> this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very
>>>>> people
>>>>> who declare this openly.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really saying
>>>>> that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know, from
>>>>> the river to the sea?
>>>>
>>>> Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
>>>> and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of
>>>>> any
>>>>> leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around
>>>>> that
>>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
>>>> diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
>>>> be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.
>>>>
>>>> I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
>>>>> that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
>>>> Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
>>>> find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
>>>> response vile.
>>>>
>>>> Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
>>>> isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> It’s simple. To moral, rational people, some evil actions cannot be judged
>>> within some context. The things Hamas did include those actions. There is no
>>> way at all to explain them away, there is no justification to “condemn”
>>> those actions,
>>
>> Yes, no justification to 'not condemn' .... I think is what you mean.
>
> I meant what I wrote - there were more words after that.
>>
>>
>>> and then follow with the word, “however”.
>>
>> So no historical background to a situation can even be referred to ?
>> Denial of history - convenient for you.
>
> I said nothing of the sort, and you should know it. Following a rote
> condemnation with some “explanation” for monstrous behavior is not
> intended as a history lesson, it’s a way to maintain your liberal status
> without upsetting the crackpots openly supporting Hamas.
>
>>> Anyone who does
>>> is also evil.
>>
>> Well fuck you too arsehole.
>>
>>> Or do you just refuse to believe what they actually did? Were
>>> the videos shown to certain people AI generated fakes? Are you just under
>>> the spell of the Jew hating leftist supporters of Hamas?
>>
>> Why do you imagine that anybody thinks anything so ridiculous ? Do you
>> use such a bizarre assertion to justify your twisted POV ?
>
> No human could see those videos, or acknolwledge that they exist, and still
> try to justify what happened. Only a subhuman with zero morals, with no moral
> center at all could do it. Enjoy the company you’ve joined.

On Jan 31, 2024, geoff wrote
(in article<MQydnRxXdqvjXCf4nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 1/02/2024 9:05 am, Bill W wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > (in article<V8mcnUdKgYiMUiT4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> >
> > > On 31/01/2024 3:29 pm, Bill W wrote:
> > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > (in article<U5icnYDNDZN1GCT4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 31/01/2024 11:29 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > (in article<2VidnRHCm-WDxST4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 31/01/2024 5:51 am, Bill W wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2024, geoff wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article<A82dne05rb_iIyX4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > And think even harder (yes,
> > > > > > > > > > > it may be an effort for you) what the far-right (ie
> > > > > > > > > > > fascist/nazi/whatever) current Israeli government's indiscriminate
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > immoral extreme response has been will achieve.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh I forgot, Netanyahu is conservative, and so the root of all this
> > > > > > > > > > trouble.
> > > > > > > > > > Simple thoughts come so easily to liberals. And being nothing more
> > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > repeater outlet for the leftist media comes easily to you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You somehow don't agree that he is conservative, and extreme
> > > > > > > > > right-wing ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don’t agree his being a conservative justifies mass murder of
> > > > > > > > innocents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His acknowledged right-wing conservative views seem sufficient
> > > > > > > justification for' him' to justify it.
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > And I don’t know what you might mean by “extreme right wing”.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No you don't apparently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wipe out Hamas, or
> > > > > > > > > > > reinforce its base with a new and larger generation of even more
> > > > > > > > > > > extreme
> > > > > > > > > > > activists ?
> > > > > > > > > > > The only way to prevent the above would be to exterminate the whole
> > > > > > > > > > > race/nationality. Ring a bell ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The *only* way? I think you are severely deficient in your
> > > > > > > > > > understanding
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Hamas and Palestinians and pretty much everything about that part of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > world.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm clearly have a much better grasp on the reality of the region
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > you. Having lived there also helps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So you'd be happy if, say, persecuted Cubans were set up in a large
> > > > > > > > > proportion of your country, then proceeded to treat your population
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > shit and also encroach on the small territory your nation was
> > > > > > > > > allocated ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OH MY GOD!!! Why didn’t you say so? When you put it like that, now
> > > > > > > > it’s
> > > > > > > > clear that I would carefully find as many innocent non-military Cuban
> > > > > > > > civilians as possible, rape, torture and kill parents in front of
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > kids,
> > > > > > > > rape torture and kill kids in front of their parents - including
> > > > > > > > infants,
> > > > > > > > massacre men and women of all ages, even while knowing that those
> > > > > > > > Cubans
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > treated me better than any other population ever did,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ha ha.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and that maybe my
> > > > > > > > perception of them might be wrong, and that maybe my “elected
> > > > > > > > leaders” -
> > > > > > > > let’s call them... is Hamas taken?... might be the real cause of all
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > problems. And all this while knowing that you would defend my actions,
> > > > > > > > because, uh, reasons!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many may indeed be driven to do such heinous things in the
> > > > > > > circumstances.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or maybe just the sorts of people who are indoctrinated into unbounded
> > > > > > hatred
> > > > > > from birth, and taught that everyone of a certain group, let’s say
> > > > > > Jews
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > this example, must be wiped from the face of the earth. Maybe the very
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who declare this openly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BTW, what is “my country” in your wheezing analogy?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know, but I am guessing USA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not my country, “my country" in your little fable. Are you really
> > > > > > saying
> > > > > > that all of Israel is actually the Palestinian’s country? You know,
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the river to the sea?
> > > > >
> > > > > Once was, now isn't. 2 small bits of it still are, are under occupation,
> > > > > and are increasingly encroached upon. Don't you know that ?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not answer my original question? Where I asked if you could think of
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > leftists who supported Hamas’s murders? You seem to have danced around
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Must have missed that specific question amongst the rest of your
> > > > > diatribe. No I can't, but that's hardly relevant - I'm sure there would
> > > > > be some, as equally there would be plenty of rightists.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wondered why you failed to criticize those folks, but it’s clear
> > > > > > that the reason is that you are one of them. Be proud.
> > > > > Did I (wrong)? Do you assume I wouldn't have ? I have said here that I
> > > > > find their action vile. As I also find the nature and extent of the
> > > > > response vile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proud ? Dunno about that, but I am comfortable with my outlook which
> > > > > isn't that which you rather nastily attempt to asperse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > It’s simple. To moral, rational people, some evil actions cannot be
> > > > judged
> > > > within some context. The things Hamas did include those actions. There is
> > > > no
> > > > way at all to explain them away, there is no justification to
> > > > “condemn”
> > > > those actions,
> > >
> > > Yes, no justification to 'not condemn' .... I think is what you mean.
> >
> > I meant what I wrote - there were more words after that.
> > >
> > >
> > > > and then follow with the word, “however”.
> > >
> > > So no historical background to a situation can even be referred to ?
> > > Denial of history - convenient for you.
> >
> > I said nothing of the sort, and you should know it. Following a rote
> > condemnation with some “explanation” for monstrous behavior is not
> > intended as a history lesson, it’s a way to maintain your liberal status
> > without upsetting the crackpots openly supporting Hamas.
> >
> > > > Anyone who does
> > > > is also evil.
> > >
> > > Well fuck you too arsehole.
> > >
> > > > Or do you just refuse to believe what they actually did? Were
> > > > the videos shown to certain people AI generated fakes? Are you just under
> > > > the spell of the Jew hating leftist supporters of Hamas?
> > >
> > > Why do you imagine that anybody thinks anything so ridiculous ? Do you
> > > use such a bizarre assertion to justify your twisted POV ?
> >
> > No human could see those videos, or acknolwledge that they exist, and still
> > try to justify what happened. Only a subhuman with zero morals, with no
> > moral
> > center at all could do it. Enjoy the company you’ve joined.
>
> Again, who is attempting to JUSTIFY those actions ?
>
> Pointing out the historic background is not the same thing at all -
> clearly difficult for you to comprehend.
>
> Geoff