Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:
>I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
>"The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or greyish to light-orange."
>underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals, otters, and beavers.
>All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur to varying extents.

So why don't you change it? Anyone can.

But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?

On 2024-02-06 17:44:55 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:

> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
>>  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
>> "The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright
>> orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The
>> underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or
>> greyish to light-orange."
>> underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and
>> coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals,
>> otters, and beavers.
>> All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur
>> to varying extents.
>
> So why don't you change it? Anyone can.

Good question. Last edit in December 2023, so apparently Daud Deden
hasn't yet learned about editing Wikipedia.
>
> But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 12:45:02 PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
> >"The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or greyish to light-orange.."
> >underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals, otters, and beavers.
> >All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur to varying extents.
> So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
>
> But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?
As I said, it doesn't accept edits made on a public library computer. It still hasn't been corrected, despite ithers reading my comment. Proves that wiki is unreliable and sometimes plainly wrong.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 1:33:20 PM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-02-06 17:44:55 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>
> > Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >> I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
> >> "The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright
> >> orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The
> >> underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or
> >> greyish to light-orange."
> >> underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and
> >> coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals,
> >> otters, and beavers.
> >> All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur
> >> to varying extents.
> >
> > So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
> Good question.

It was the first time asked. By the third, it is idiotic.

Last edit in December 2023, so apparently Daud Deden
> hasn't yet learned about editing Wikipedia.

Done did, as I've reported twice here already.

> > But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
> in England until 1987.
"Addled"

Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:09:55 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 1:33:20?PM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2024-02-06 17:44:55 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>>
>> > Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
>> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> >> I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
>> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
>> >> "The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright
>> >> orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The
>> >> underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or
>> >> greyish to light-orange."
>> >> underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and
>> >> coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals,
>> >> otters, and beavers.
>> >> All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur
>> >> to varying extents.
>> >
>> > So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
>> Good question.
>
>It was the first time asked. By the third, it is idiotic.
>
> Last edit in December 2023, so apparently Daud Deden
>> hasn't yet learned about editing Wikipedia.
>
>Done did, as I've reported twice here already.

You this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwfp is you?
Doesn't look like you style, however.

>> > But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?

Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:03:02 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 12:45:02?PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
>> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> >I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
>> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
>> >"The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or greyish to light-orange."
>> >underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals, otters, and beavers.
>> >All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur to varying extents.
>> So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
>>
>> But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?
>As I said, it doesn't accept edits made on a public library computer.

Seeing the link you gave, with the m in it, you are working on a
smartphone. So go online with 4G for a moment, and edit. Or make an
account, there it will also work from a library.

> It still hasn't been corrected, despite ithers reading my comment. Proves
> that wiki is unreliable and sometimes plainly wrong.

If a book by a scholar uses the term "underfur", that may be the going
term among scholars. If so, that is what Wikipedia should use too.
Even if it may be incorrect.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:29:26 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:03:02 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 12:45:02?PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> >> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >> >I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
> >> >"The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or greyish to light-orange."
> >> >underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals, otters, and beavers.
> >> >All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur to varying extents.
> >> So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
> >>
> >> But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?
> >As I said, it doesn't accept edits made on a public library computer.
> Seeing the link you gave, with the m in it, you are working on a
> smartphone. So go online with 4G for a moment, and edit. Or make an
> account, there it will also work from a library.

"This ip has been blocked from editing"
Same message whether from 4G phone data or library pc wifi. I tried to login, same result. I tried to register, same result.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3A2600%3A387%3A9%3A3%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F64&type=block

2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:0/64 apparently is my ip
, located in texas, but i'm in miami FL

> > It still hasn't been corrected, despite ithers reading my comment. Proves
> > that wiki is unreliable and sometimes plainly wrong.
> If a book by a scholar uses the term "underfur", that may be the going
> term among scholars. If so, that is what Wikipedia should use too.
> Even if it may be incorrect.
Underfur is a specific term used with guard hairs (the overfur).
Ventral fur is abdominal, as opposed to dorsal fur.
The wrong word was applied, and will only create confusion.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:25:28 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:09:55 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 1:33:20?PM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2024-02-06 17:44:55 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
> >>
> >> > Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:04:58 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> >> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >> >> I'd like to correct the word 'underfur' to 'ventral fur' in the following cite:
> >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey
> >> >> "The proboscis monkey has a long coat; the fur on the back is bright
> >> >> orange, reddish brown, yellowish brown or brick-red.[12][13] The
> >> >> underfur [DD: actually ventral fur] is light-grey, yellowish, or
> >> >> greyish to light-orange."
> >> >> underfur: the fine, soft, thick, hairy coat under the longer and
> >> >> coarser outer hair (aka guard hair) only in certain animals, as seals,
> >> >> otters, and beavers.
> >> >> All anthropoids (monkeys and apes) lack underfur, all have ventral fur
> >> >> to varying extents.
> >> >
> >> > So why don't you change it? Anyone can.
> >> Good question.
> >
> >It was the first time asked. By the third, it is idiotic.
> >
> > Last edit in December 2023, so apparently Daud Deden
> >> hasn't yet learned about editing Wikipedia.
> >
> >Done did, as I've reported twice here already.
> You this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwfp is you?
No.
> Doesn't look like you style, however.
> >> > But note the references 12 and 13. Is the word used there?

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:04:28 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> Post #3
The loss of -om, -os in IE daughter tongues:
(I like the last comment, by W Dozorsky)

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-virtually-all-Indo-European-languages-with-some-exceptions-like-Old-Norse-and-Lithuanian-lose-the-usual-masculine-ending-OS-Was-it-phonetic-evolution-or-something-else?ch=10&oid=22833773&share=93e23538&srid=RPhZF&target_type=question

Sigma sum (of) all

History
The shape (Σς) and alphabetic position of sigma is derived from the Phoenician letter 𐤔 (shin).

Sigma's original name may have been san, but due to the complicated early history of the Greek epichoric alphabets, san came to be identified as a separate letter in the Greek alphabet, represented as Ϻ.[2]Herodotus reports that "san" was the name given by the Dorians to the same letter called "sigma" by the Ionians.[i][3]

According to one hypothesis,[4] the name "sigma" may continue that of Phoenician samekh (𐤎), the letter continued through Greek xi, represented as Ξ. - Wiki

Phoenician letter: The Greek letter "sigma" is derived from the Phoenician letter "shin". The name "sigma" may come from the Semitic word for "fish," which is also the shape of the Phoenician letter. Another hypothesis is that "sigma" may come from the Phoenician letter "samekh," which is represented as Ξ in Greek as "xi".

Power: "Sigma" means "power, or powerful one".

Mathematics: In mathematics, "sigma" is usually used to mean "sum". -AI

sigma

18th letter of the Greek alphabet, corresponding to Latin S; the name is a metathesis of Hebrew samekh. In uncial writing, shaped like an S or a C. - Online etym

Xyuambua ~ opening through, sum

Greek

Ana.baino up.go to come/go/step up, ascend; Mly naik
ana.bol.ic to throw up Mly buang atas

Kata.baino down.go to come/go/step down, descend; Mly turun
cata.bol.ic to throw down Mly buang dibawah

meta.bol.ic transition, change Mly menukar, tukar
Meta.ballein over.throw ballistics??
metabole "a change," from metaballein "to change," from meta "change" (see meta-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach"

meta-
word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from Greek meta (prep.) "in the midst of; in common with; by means of; between; in pursuit or quest of; after, next after, behind," in compounds most often meaning "change" of place, condition, etc. This is from PIE *me- "in the middle" (source also of German mit, Gothic miþ, Old English mið "with, together with, among").

The notion of "changing places with" probably led to the senses of "change of place, order, or nature," which was a principal meaning of the Greek word when used as a prefix (but it also denoted "community, participation; in common with; pursuing").

The third, modern, sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics (q.v.) as "science of that which transcends the physical

Just found this on ridgeback dog linking Mesopotamia hunting dog, Phu Quoc ridgeback and Rhodesian ridgeback/Khoi lion hound:
http://www.glenaholm.com/origins-of-the-breed/
The Mesopotamian Hunting Dog was brought down the east coast of Africa in the course of tribal migration over several centuries and part of the movement was deflected towards the west. We must assume that these dogs carried the ridge gene and that eventually they reached the Cape and acquired the name of Hottentot Hunting Dog, serving a very useful purpose with the Khoisan in a semi-domesticated environment.

Evidence (DD: non-genetic) of the first domesticated dogs on our planet goes back to 4500 BC in Egyptian tombs, and in 1729 AD we have a written record of ridged dogs at the Cape. Apart from Africa the only other place where ridged dogs are found is Phu Quoc in the gulf of Thailand.

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:04:51 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> Greek
>
> Ana.baino up.go to come/go/step up, ascend; Mly naik
> ana.bol.ic to throw up Mly buang atas
>
> Kata.baino down.go to come/go/step down, descend; Mly turun
> cata.bol.ic to throw down Mly buang dibawah
>
> meta.bol.ic transition, change Mly menukar, tukar
> Meta.ballein over.throw ballistics??
> metabole "a change," from metaballein "to change," from meta "change" (see meta-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach" https://www.etymonline.com/word/*gwele-
Was set/put up dome mongolu/mengelap/gwele--> bolle bua(ng/h/t), boleh can do
Njambuangdualua dwelling swelling

>
> meta-
> word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from Greek meta (prep.) "in the midst of; in common with; by means of; between; in pursuit or quest of; after, next after, behind," in compounds most often meaning "change" of place, condition, etc. This is from PIE *me- "in the middle" (source also of German mit, Gothic miþ, Old English mið "with, together with, among").
>
> The notion of "changing places with" probably led to the senses of "change of place, order, or nature," which was a principal meaning of the Greek word when used as a prefix (but it also denoted "community, participation; in common with; pursuing").
>
> The third, modern, sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics (q.v.) as "science of that which transcends the physical

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:25:29 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:04:51 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > Greek
> >
> > Ana.baino up.go to come/go/step up, ascend; Mly naik
> > ana.bol.ic to throw up Mly buang atas
> >
> > Kata.baino down.go to come/go/step down, descend; Mly turun
> > cata.bol.ic to throw down Mly buang dibawah
> >
> > meta.bol.ic transition, change Mly menukar, tukar
> > Meta.ballein over.throw ballistics??
> > metabole "a change," from metaballein "to change," from meta "change" (see meta-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach" https://www.etymonline.com/word/*gwele-
> Was set/put up dome mongolu/mengelap/gwele--> bolle bua(ng/h/t), boleh can do
> Njambuangdualua dwelling swelling
> >
> > meta-
> > word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from Greek meta (prep..) "in the midst of; in common with; by means of; between; in pursuit or quest of; after, next after, behind," in compounds most often meaning "change" of place, condition, etc. This is from PIE *me- "in the middle" (source also of German mit, Gothic miþ, Old English mið "with, together with, among").
> >
> > The notion of "changing places with" probably led to the senses of "change of place, order, or nature," which was a principal meaning of the Greek word when used as a prefix (but it also denoted "community, participation; in common with; pursuing").
> >
> > The third, modern, sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics (q.v.) as "science of that which transcends the physical

Seems clear that meta.bolic links to pro.mise/com.mit/miss.ion but gets scrambled, perhaps due to elision? commetabolic?

mission (n.)1590s, "a sending abroad" (as an agent), originally of Jesuits, from Latin missionem (nominative missio) "act of sending, a dispatching; a release, a setting at liberty; discharge from service, dismissal," noun of action from past-participle stem of mittere "to release, let go; send, throw," which de Vaan traces to a PIE *m(e)ith- "to exchange, remove," also source of Sanskrit methete, mimetha "to become hostile, quarrel," Gothic in-maidjan "to change;" he writes, "From original 'exchange', the meaning developed to 'give, bestow' ... and 'let go, send'.
promise (n.)c. 1400, promisse, "a solemn pledge; a vow; a declaration in reference to the future made by one person to another, assuring the latter that the former will do, or not do, a specified act," from Old French promesse "promise, guarantee, assurance" (13c.) and directly from Latin promissum "a promise," noun use of neuter past participle of promittere "send forth; let go; foretell; assure beforehand, promise," from pro "before" (from PIE root *per- (1) "forward," hence "in front of, before") + mittere "to release, let go; send, throw" (see mission).
Commit Borrowed from Latin committō (“to bring together, join, compare, commit (a wrong), incur, give in charge, etc.”), from com- (“together”) + mittō (“to send”).

mitl @ Azt: missile
--
DD ~ David ~ Da'ud ~ Diode ~ ∆^¥°∆

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:25:29 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:04:51 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > Greek
> > >
> > > Ana.baino up.go to come/go/step up, ascend; Mly naik
> > > ana.bol.ic to throw up Mly buang atas
> > >
> > > Kata.baino down.go to come/go/step down, descend; Mly turun
> > > cata.bol.ic to throw down Mly buang dibawah
> > >
> > > meta.bol.ic transition, change Mly menukar, tukar
> > > Meta.ballein over.throw ballistics??
> > > metabole "a change," from metaballein "to change," from meta "change" (see meta-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach" https://www.etymonline.com/word/*gwele-
> > Was set/put up dome mongolu/mengelap/gwele--> bolle bua(ng/h/t), boleh can do
> > Njambuangdualua dwelling swelling
> > >
> > > meta-
> > > word-forming element of Greek origin meaning 1. "after, behind; among, between," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from Greek meta (prep.) "in the midst of; in common with; by means of; between; in pursuit or quest of; after, next after, behind," in compounds most often meaning "change" of place, condition, etc. This is from PIE *me- "in the middle" (source also of German mit, Gothic miþ, Old English mið "with, together with, among").
> > >
> > > The notion of "changing places with" probably led to the senses of "change of place, order, or nature," which was a principal meaning of the Greek word when used as a prefix (but it also denoted "community, participation; in common with; pursuing").
> > >
> > > The third, modern, sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics (q.v.) as "science of that which transcends the physical
> Seems clear that meta.bolic links to pro.mise/com.mit/miss.ion but gets scrambled, perhaps due to elision? commetabolic?
>
> mission (n.)1590s, "a sending abroad" (as an agent), originally of Jesuits, from Latin missionem (nominative missio) "act of sending, a dispatching; a release, a setting at liberty; discharge from service, dismissal," noun of action from past-participle stem of mittere "to release, let go; send, throw," which de Vaan traces to a PIE *m(e)ith- "to exchange, remove," also source of Sanskrit methete, mimetha "to become hostile, quarrel," Gothic in-maidjan "to change;" he writes, "From original 'exchange', the meaning developed to 'give, bestow' ... and 'let go, send'.
> promise (n.)c. 1400, promisse, "a solemn pledge; a vow; a declaration in reference to the future made by one person to another, assuring the latter that the former will do, or not do, a specified act," from Old French promesse "promise, guarantee, assurance" (13c.) and directly from Latin promissum "a promise," noun use of neuter past participle of promittere "send forth; let go; foretell; assure beforehand, promise," from pro "before" (from PIE root *per- (1) "forward," hence "in front of, before") + mittere "to release, let go; send, throw" (see mission).
> Commit Borrowed from Latin committō (“to bring together, join, compare, commit (a wrong), incur, give in charge, etc.”), from com- (“together”) + mittō (“to send”).
>
> mitl @ Azt: missile
> --
> DD ~ David ~ Da'ud ~ Diode ~ ∆^¥°∆

omit (v.)
early 15c., omitten, "fail to use or do, fail or neglect to mention or speak of, to disregard," from Latin omittere "let go, let fall," figuratively "lay aside, disregard," from assimilated form of ob (here perhaps intensive) + mittere "let go, send" (see mission).

Mario P remarked to me on the commonalities of European languages in some words he found at this website:

https://www.indifferentlanguages.com/words/mom
Mom/mama most similar, , then dad/papa similar but sister/brother, nose dissimilar

Outside Europe there is much more divergence, Ibu, mbo, baba, emak, oka...

https://x.com/weirddalle/status/1759230932614021304?s=20
(0n editing Wikipedia)

Sun, 18 Feb 2024 21:45:15 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>https://x.com/weirddalle/status/1759230932614021304?s=20
>(0n editing Wikipedia)

Strange though it may seem, in general it actually is reliable. And
very comprehensive. And so is Wiktionary.

Just like the various Linux distributions and other FOSS (free and
open source software) are high-quality, well able to compete with paid
Windows and Mac products.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On 2024-02-19, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

>>(0n editing Wikipedia)
>
> Strange though it may seem, in general it actually is reliable. And
> very comprehensive. And so is Wiktionary.

The various language editions of Wiktionary are a mixed bag.

The French edition is very good for French (where TLFi is a bit
overwhelming), not so much for anything else. The German edition
is inferior to DWDS.de for German and very incomplete even for
English. I don't think the Spanish and Italian editions cover their
respective languages very well. The English edition has by far the
best overall coverage, but still trails off quickly.

Etymology is always to be taken with a grain of salt, but that
applies to traditional dictionaries as well.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:48:54 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:

>On 2024-02-19, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>
>>>(0n editing Wikipedia)
>>
>> Strange though it may seem, in general it actually is reliable. And
>> very comprehensive. And so is Wiktionary.
>
>The various language editions of Wiktionary are a mixed bag.
>
>The French edition is very good for French (where TLFi is a bit
>overwhelming), not so much for anything else. The German edition
>is inferior to DWDS.de for German and very incomplete even for
>English. I don't think the Spanish and Italian editions cover their
>respective languages very well. The English edition has by far the
>best overall coverage, but still trails off quickly.
>
>Etymology is always to be taken with a grain of salt, but that
>applies to traditional dictionaries as well.

I usually consult Wikipedia in any language I can read (English,
Dutch, German, Portuguese, Interlingua, sometimes also French, Spanish
or Esperanto), sometimes even in alanguage I need DeepL or GT for
(Hungarian, Russian, Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish for example), but of
Wiktionary I only ever, with very few exceptions, use the English
version. If Google or DuckDuckGo finds me the Dutch version first, I
always click through to the English, because it is the only one with
comprehensive etymologies, and I ALWAYS want to see the etymology,
even if mostly interested in meaning, conjugation or pronunciation.

--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:48:54 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:

>DWDS.de

Ja, digitales Wörterbuch der deutsche Sprache, punkt de. Immer leicht
das wieder zu finden wenn ich es schon wieder mal vergessen habe.

También así: dle.rae.es: dicionario de lengua española, Real Academia
de España, e.s. ¡Muy fácil!

En ook rmn.nl, Reinigingsbedrijf Midden-Nederland, to check when to
put the various kinds of dustbins in the street for garbage
collection.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:07:22 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:

>digitales Wörterbuch der deutsche Sprache

der deutscheNNN Sprache. So concentrated on doing it right, that I did
it wrong.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On 2024-02-19, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

>>DWDS.de
>
> También así: dle.rae.es: dicionario de lengua española, Real Academia
> de España, e.s. ¡Muy fácil!

Another one for the collection:

Den Danske Ordbog
https://ordnet.dk/ddo

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:56:27 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:

>On 2024-02-19, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>
>>>DWDS.de
>>
>> También así: dle.rae.es: dicionario de lengua española, Real Academia
>> de España, e.s. ¡Muy fácil!
>
>Another one for the collection:
>
>Den Danske Ordbog
>https://ordnet.dk/ddo

Ordnung muss sein!
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On 2024-02-20, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

>>Den Danske Ordbog
>>https://ordnet.dk/ddo
>
> Ordnung muss sein!

No, that's a "wordbook". Old Norse lost initial /w/ (but not /hw/)
before back vowels. Compare wolf ~ ulf, Woden ~ Odin.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de