Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
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>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ubbj29$1vcr5$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> For the compact foldable ones I had an idea for a frame that sets inside
>> the car.  Lift straight up.  Pin to trolley on rail.  Slide out on
>> extendable rail.  Minimal pulling effort on cart or extend with gas
>> spring.  Lower straight down.  Unfold.  Can be operated with an electric
>> cable winch.   Could possibly be locked in place with vertical jack
>> members, bolted through cargo area bed, or tied into cargo loops
>> depending on specific application.  Light weight foldable carts only,
>> but that is what she wants.
....
> I was thinking something that looks like a roll cage. Maybe two upper
> cross members and 4 support posts (made from two pieces of bent tube),
> and the rail/trolley being mounted on something "like" a full extension
> drawer slide. [...]

Lifting from above might need more clearance than under-rails or a
ramp would take. How deep is the hatch compartment, and how high is
the back lip? Does the Veloster's passenger side back door open into
the hatch area? Would you put the cart in wheels-down and cross-wise
in the hatch area?

If there's room for the cart front to back instead of across, this
might might work for removal: deploy outside ramp; lift front wheel
onto hatch lip or top edge of outside ramp; roll back wheels up inside
ramps and roll cart down outside ramp, using an electric winch like
[1] for control, or using a block and tackle. Inside the car, the
front wheel would sit between the ramps for the back wheels.

[1] <https://www.harborfreight.com/2000-lb-utility-trailer-winch-with-steel-rope-57365.html>

"James Waldby" wrote in message news:ubhr4b$3783g$1@dont-email.me...

Lifting from above might need more clearance than under-rails or a
ramp would take. How deep is the hatch compartment, and how high is
the back lip? Does the Veloster's passenger side back door open into
the hatch area? Would you put the cart in wheels-down and cross-wise
in the hatch area?

If there's room for the cart front to back instead of across, this
might might work for removal: deploy outside ramp; lift front wheel
onto hatch lip or top edge of outside ramp; roll back wheels up inside
ramps and roll cart down outside ramp, using an electric winch like
[1] for control, or using a block and tackle. Inside the car, the
front wheel would sit between the ramps for the back wheels.

[1]
<https://www.harborfreight.com/2000-lb-utility-trailer-winch-with-steel-rope-57365.html>

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An issue with that is the scooters' extremely low ground clearance and not
necessarily smooth bottom that might damage the trunk/hatch water seal. A
floor or door mat could help if you have an extra one to risk and remember
to place it on the lip. I can ride my scooter on the packed gravel in a tire
or foot path but it grounds and out bogs down on the looser shoulders. They
definitely aren't electric ATVs, a Segway is better for that, I consider a
dirt bike best. The Segway factory in NH is on the crest of a steep river
bank above train tracks and a challenging footpath.

Another, at least on mine, is that there isn't a 'proper' way to lift one
rear wheel to slide something under it. The manual specifically warns
against lifting by the thin shell or a wheel. It's the centered handle or
nothing.

I don't have a hoist answer within the stated 10 pound lifting limit,
perhaps a fold-up (for parking) hitch carrier??
An example, not a suggestion:
https://www.discountramps.com/wheelchair-scooter-carrier/p/SC500-V3/

Bob installs it at home, the XYL[*] drives on and off and may need help only
to fold it up for parking.

Based on my scooter I think a person who couldn't lift weight when bent down
due to knee or back problems might manage by winching it up a ramp and
separating or connecting the parts while standing. The problem then is
finding a light enough set of folding ramps.

* YL is Ham Radio for Young Lady (girlfriend), XYL for wife, as in ex young
lady.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:23:57 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>Based on my scooter I think a person who couldn't lift weight when bent down
>due to knee or back problems might manage by winching it up a ramp and
>separating or connecting the parts while standing. The problem then is
>finding a light enough set of folding ramps.

There's several versions of mini-cranes purposely made for this... but
they're usually pictured in a taller hatchback than the Veloster. It
appears to have a rather cramped area where they attach the cranes...

https://www.themobilityresource.com/adaptive-driving-equipment/scooter-lifts/

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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On 8/16/2023 8:01 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:23:57 -0400
> "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Based on my scooter I think a person who couldn't lift weight when bent down
>> due to knee or back problems might manage by winching it up a ramp and
>> separating or connecting the parts while standing. The problem then is
>> finding a light enough set of folding ramps.
>
> There's several versions of mini-cranes purposely made for this... but
> they're usually pictured in a taller hatchback than the Veloster. It
> appears to have a rather cramped area where they attach the cranes...
>
> https://www.themobilityresource.com/adaptive-driving-equipment/scooter-lifts/
>

The clearances are rather tight, and of course it all depends on the
exact cart chosen. The Veloster like many small vehicles is not really
intended to have a hitch, but I believe there may be some hitch options
for it.

I actually have a 12V crane type lift that was given to me by my friend
who used to be in the electric mobility business. My plan was to use it
for heavy vises and rotary tables in the shop in conjunction with a
"tool" cart with the heavier of those items store on top.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:28:28 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>I actually have a 12V crane type lift that was given to me by my friend
>who used to be in the electric mobility business. My plan was to use it
>for heavy vises and rotary tables in the shop in conjunction with a
>"tool" cart with the heavier of those items store on top.

A crane of some sort might be handy for your wife to lift other things
into the back too😉

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI