This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>
Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>
Andre Jute
Horrified
>

On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>
> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>
> Andre Jute
> Horrified
>>

Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
continues. This is still a work in progress.

Wait for Part Two:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 5:43:25 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> >
> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> >
> Andre Jute
> Horrified
> >

Flunky doesn't believe it. Krygowski is on the borderline. Liebermann doesn't know what to think. BTW. It is unlikely that you can produce a workable vaccine for this since it kills in about 10 days by severe inflammation of the brain.

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> >>
> > Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> >>
> > Andre Jute
> > Horrified
> >>
> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>
>
> Wait for Part Two:
> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>
Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>

On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>
>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Horrified
>>>>
>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>
>>
>> Wait for Part Two:
>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/

>>
> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>
> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>

I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.

To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
wasn't all that bad.

Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
omelette without breaking eggs".

There is never an omelette.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>
>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>
>> Andre Jute
>> Horrified
>>>
>
>Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>continues. This is still a work in progress.
>

Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
Crusades and Inquisition.
Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
European population.

>Wait for Part Two:
>https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 9:40:10 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 5:43:25 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> > >
> > Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > Horrified
> > >
> Flunky doesn't believe it. Krygowski is on the borderline. Liebermann doesn't know what to think. BTW. It is unlikely that you can produce a workable vaccine for this since it kills in about 10 days by severe inflammation of the brain.
>
A guarantee of certain death is no "by the way", Tom. It's a horrifying thought. Especially in the hands of Chinese communists who probably think of the resolve to do mass-murder as a token of their "moral courage". In the summer of 1928, at a children's party (yeah, exactly!) at his dacha, Stalin told a bunch of Cheka that "There is no rest, no point of equilibrium in s socialist state. We move forward or we die in the reaction." It was his justification for killing another 3.5m people in the De-Kulakization, which was basically a crop grab (Stalin's prototryads grabbed the peasants' seed corn as well, condemning them and millions more to death by starvation) to pay for imports of machinery for heavy industry.
>
Flunky is a wishful thinker, insofar as he thinks at all, rather than reflexively emitting stupid pinkocommie slogans. It is precisely dull, envious people like Flunky who're the cannon-fodder for dictatorships of evil men. Krygowski picks navel-fluff and throws it in the wind in dull declarative sentences fit for consumption by 3-year-olds. I don't have any more time for quarter-wits like Flunky and Franky-boy. What these two clowns (and Slow Johnny) say is the true reflection of the aridity and mindless vice of their characters.
>
Andre Jute
Meanwhile, back at the monkey-farm...

On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>
>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Horrified
>>>>
>>
>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>
>
> Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
> Crusades and Inquisition.
> Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
> million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
> Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
> European population.
>
>
>> Wait for Part Two:
>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/

European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
qualified and useful or not.

And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
The King of Spain said, "Not here'.

Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
the blue either.

p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:05:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>
>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> Horrified
>>>>>
>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>
>>>
>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>
>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>
>
>I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>
>To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>wasn't all that bad.
>
>Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>omelette without breaking eggs".
>
>There is never an omelette.

Errr, the phrase "you can't make a omelet without breaking an
egg"predates the Communist system by more then a few years. It is
attributed to François de Charette ands apparently dates, in French,
to 17423. In English to 1796 :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/18/2024 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:05:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>
>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>
>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>
>>>>
>>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>>
>>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>>
>>
>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>
>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>> wasn't all that bad.
>>
>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>
>> There is never an omelette.
>
> Errr, the phrase "you can't make a omelet without breaking an
> egg"predates the Communist system by more then a few years. It is
> attributed to François de Charette ands apparently dates, in French,
> to 17423. In English to 1796 :-)

How did Le Terrore work out? No different from any other
communist regime.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:22:16 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/18/2024 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:05:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>>>
>>>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>>
>>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>>> wasn't all that bad.
>>>
>>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>>
>>> There is never an omelette.
>>
>> Errr, the phrase "you can't make a omelet without breaking an
>> egg"predates the Communist system by more then a few years. It is
>> attributed to François de Charette ands apparently dates, in French,
>> to 17423. In English to 1796 :-)
>
>How did Le Terrore work out? No different from any other
>communist regime.

Actually not very well and the end result was Neapolitan
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:05:56 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> >>>>
> >>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> >>>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> Horrified
> >>>>
> >> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
> >> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
> >> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
> >> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
> >> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
> >> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
> >> continues. This is still a work in progress.
> >>
> >>
> >> Wait for Part Two:
> >> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>
> >>
> > Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
> >>
> > Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
> >>
> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>
> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
> wasn't all that bad.
>
> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
> omelette without breaking eggs".
>
> There is never an omelette.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Stalin destroyed the entire thinking class of Russia because they were the one's with money. Pol Pot killed fully 30% of Cambodians. Liebermann, Scharf, Flunky and Krygowski would cooperate fully with communists. It is said that most people would cooperate in murdering millions as long as they were people that had money. This is the ONE area in which John has a clear advantage - he has lived under an authoritarian government for so long he knows for certain that they can decide not to tolerate him at any moment and for any reason or none.

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> >>>>
> >>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> >>>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> Horrified
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
> >> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
> >> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
> >> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
> >> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
> >> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
> >> continues. This is still a work in progress.
> >>
> >
> > Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
> > Crusades and Inquisition.
> > Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
> > million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
> > Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
> > European population.
> >
> >
> >> Wait for Part Two:
> >> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
> qualified and useful or not.
>
> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
>
> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
> the blue either.
>
> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.

The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land.. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.

But John forces himself to pass around his bullshit on everything.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:50:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>> >>>>
>> >>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>> >>>>
>> >>> Andre Jute
>> >>> Horrified
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>> >> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>> >> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>> >> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>> >> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>> >> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>> >> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
>> > Crusades and Inquisition.
>> > Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
>> > million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
>> > Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
>> > European population.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Wait for Part Two:
>> >> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
>> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
>> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
>> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
>> qualified and useful or not.
>>
>> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
>> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
>> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
>> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
>>
>> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
>> the blue either.
>>
>> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
>> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.
>
>The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.
>

Oh, I guess I didn't understand. After all the Crusaders killed the
entire population of Jerusalem, as many as 40,000 people, and blood
was said to be ankle deep in the streets, after conquering the city in
1099.

And this was to protect the pilgrims?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:35:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:05:56?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>> >>>>
>> >>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>> >>>>
>> >>> Andre Jute
>> >>> Horrified
>> >>>>
>> >> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>> >> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>> >> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>> >> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>> >> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>> >> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>> >> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wait for Part Two:
>> >> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>
>> >>
>> > Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>> >>
>> > Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>> >>
>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>
>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>> wasn't all that bad.
>>
>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>
>> There is never an omelette.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>Stalin destroyed the entire thinking class of Russia because they were the one's with money. Pol Pot killed fully 30% of Cambodians. Liebermann, Scharf, Flunky and Krygowski would cooperate fully with communists. It is said that most people would cooperate in murdering millions as long as they were people that had money. This is the ONE area in which John has a clear advantage - he has lived under an authoritarian government for so long he knows for certain that they can decide not to tolerate him at any moment and for any reason or none.

Nope, Tommy gets it wrong again. The Pol Pot government killed
something in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 million people, said to be
1/4 of the population in his effort to create an agrarian socialist
republic.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/18/2024 6:36 PM, shitstain proved once again that I live rent free
in his head:
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 9:40:10 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 5:43:25 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>
>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Horrified
>>>>
>> Flunky doesn't believe it. Krygowski is on the borderline. Liebermann doesn't know what to think. BTW. It is unlikely that you can produce a workable vaccine for this since it kills in about 10 days by severe inflammation of the brain.
>>
> A guarantee of certain death is no "by the way", Tom. It's a horrifying thought. Especially in the hands of Chinese communists who probably think of the resolve to do mass-murder as a token of their "moral courage". In the summer of 1928, at a children's party (yeah, exactly!) at his dacha, Stalin told a bunch of Cheka that "There is no rest, no point of equilibrium in s socialist state. We move forward or we die in the reaction." It was his justification for killing another 3.5m people in the De-Kulakization, which was basically a crop grab (Stalin's prototryads grabbed the peasants' seed corn as well, condemning them and millions more to death by starvation) to pay for imports of machinery for heavy industry.
>>
> Flunky is a wishful thinker, insofar as he thinks at all, rather than reflexively emitting stupid pinkocommie slogans. It is precisely dull, envious people like Flunky who're the cannon-fodder for dictatorships of evil men.

Funny, I don't see myself or any of my peers (intellectual liberal
democrat voters in Massachusetts) marching lockstep to a personality
cult wearing maga hats, gloming on to silly notions spoon-fed to them by
propaganda outlets: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1744897719578055029

> Krygowski picks navel-fluff and throws it in the wind in dull declarative sentences fit for consumption by 3-year-olds. I don't have any more time for quarter-wits like Flunky and Franky-boy.

Except that you do, constantly, as is in evidence by this very posting.
Much in the same way you declared recently you won't going to waste any
more time on me, subsequently creating not just one, but two entire
discussion threads dedicated to me.

What these two clowns (and Slow Johnny) say is the true reflection of
the aridity and mindless vice of their characters.
>>
> Andre Jute
> Meanwhile, back at the monkey-farm,

andre gleefully smears the poo flung at him by the monkeys all over his
nether regions...

--
Add xx to reply

On 1/19/2024 8:37 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 1/18/2024 6:36 PM, shitstain proved once again that I live rent free
> in his head:
>>
>> Krygowski picks navel-fluff and throws it in the wind in dull
>> declarative sentences fit for consumption by 3-year-olds. I don't have
>> any more time for quarter-wits like Flunky and Franky-boy.
>
> Except that you do, constantly, as is in evidence by this very posting.

I hadn't noticed that Jute was still mentioning my name. I seldom bother
to read his posts.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/18/2024 9:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:22:16 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2024 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:05:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>>>
>>>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>>>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>>>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>>>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>>>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>>>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>>>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>>>> wasn't all that bad.
>>>>
>>>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>>>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>>>
>>>> There is never an omelette.
>>>
>>> Errr, the phrase "you can't make a omelet without breaking an
>>> egg"predates the Communist system by more then a few years. It is
>>> attributed to François de Charette ands apparently dates, in French,
>>> to 17423. In English to 1796 :-)
>>
>> How did Le Terrore work out? No different from any other
>> communist regime.
>
> Actually not very well and the end result was Neapolitan

As noted in the general rule of political events by Polybios.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/18/2024 11:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:50:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
>>>> Crusades and Inquisition.
>>>> Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
>>>> million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
>>>> Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
>>>> European population.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
>>> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
>>> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
>>> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
>>> qualified and useful or not.
>>>
>>> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
>>> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
>>> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
>>> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
>>>
>>> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
>>> the blue either.
>>>
>>> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
>>> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.
>>
>> The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.
>>
>
> Oh, I guess I didn't understand. After all the Crusaders killed the
> entire population of Jerusalem, as many as 40,000 people, and blood
> was said to be ankle deep in the streets, after conquering the city in
> 1099.
>
> And this was to protect the pilgrims?

Yes that happened[1].
One battle in a few hundred years with extreme examples on
both sides as strength, resources and strategy rose and
fell. Culminating in Vienna and Lepanto after which a sort
of detente (except for the Armenians).

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide

[1] One might make the same argument about Japanese children
who burned to death in Curtis LeMay's firebombings which
were much more lethal than the two atom bombings combined. I
wouldn't make that argument but you might.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/18/2024 11:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:35:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:05:56?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>>>
>>>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>>>
>>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>>
>>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>>> wasn't all that bad.
>>>
>>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>>
>>> There is never an omelette.
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> Stalin destroyed the entire thinking class of Russia because they were the one's with money. Pol Pot killed fully 30% of Cambodians. Liebermann, Scharf, Flunky and Krygowski would cooperate fully with communists. It is said that most people would cooperate in murdering millions as long as they were people that had money. This is the ONE area in which John has a clear advantage - he has lived under an authoritarian government for so long he knows for certain that they can decide not to tolerate him at any moment and for any reason or none.
>
> Nope, Tommy gets it wrong again. The Pol Pot government killed
> something in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 million people, said to be
> 1/4 of the population in his effort to create an agrarian socialist
> republic.
>

As I noted above, in order to consolidate political power.

Back to the original issue, I strongly doubt that several
millions dead of his own people and/or foreigners would give
Mr Xi pause in deploying a more lethal bioweapon shortly.
Its just not a limiting factor in communist theory.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:41:25 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/18/2024 11:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:50:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
>>>>> Crusades and Inquisition.
>>>>> Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
>>>>> million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
>>>>> Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
>>>>> European population.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
>>>> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
>>>> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
>>>> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
>>>> qualified and useful or not.
>>>>
>>>> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
>>>> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
>>>> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
>>>> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
>>>>
>>>> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
>>>> the blue either.
>>>>
>>>> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
>>>> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>> John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.
>>>
>>> The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I guess I didn't understand. After all the Crusaders killed the
>> entire population of Jerusalem, as many as 40,000 people, and blood
>> was said to be ankle deep in the streets, after conquering the city in
>> 1099.
>>
>> And this was to protect the pilgrims?
>
>Yes that happened[1].
>One battle in a few hundred years with extreme examples on
>both sides as strength, resources and strategy rose and
>fell. Culminating in Vienna and Lepanto after which a sort
>of detente (except for the Armenians).
>
>https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide
>
>
>[1] One might make the same argument about Japanese children
>who burned to death in Curtis LeMay's firebombings which
>were much more lethal than the two atom bombings combined. I
>wouldn't make that argument but you might.

That was in direct response to Tommy's assertion that the Crusader
were really just good guys They weren't. They grabbed land and started
kingdoms, just like people did in the rest of the world. The Knights
Templar were started primarily to guard and help pilgrims that were
ignored by the bulk of the Crusaders.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/19/2024 9:26 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:41:25 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2024 11:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:50:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
>>>>>> Crusades and Inquisition.
>>>>>> Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
>>>>>> million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
>>>>>> Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
>>>>>> European population.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>>> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
>>>>> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
>>>>> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
>>>>> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
>>>>> qualified and useful or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
>>>>> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
>>>>> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
>>>>> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
>>>>> the blue either.
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
>>>>> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>> John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.
>>>>
>>>> The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, I guess I didn't understand. After all the Crusaders killed the
>>> entire population of Jerusalem, as many as 40,000 people, and blood
>>> was said to be ankle deep in the streets, after conquering the city in
>>> 1099.
>>>
>>> And this was to protect the pilgrims?
>>
>> Yes that happened[1].
>> One battle in a few hundred years with extreme examples on
>> both sides as strength, resources and strategy rose and
>> fell. Culminating in Vienna and Lepanto after which a sort
>> of detente (except for the Armenians).
>>
>> https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide
>>
>>
>> [1] One might make the same argument about Japanese children
>> who burned to death in Curtis LeMay's firebombings which
>> were much more lethal than the two atom bombings combined. I
>> wouldn't make that argument but you might.
>
> That was in direct response to Tommy's assertion that the Crusader
> were really just good guys They weren't. They grabbed land and started
> kingdoms, just like people did in the rest of the world. The Knights
> Templar were started primarily to guard and help pilgrims that were
> ignored by the bulk of the Crusaders.

Yes and especially regarding the Templars, who are a prime
example of a wronged group in world history.

https://www.history.com/news/why-friday-the-13th-spelled-doom-for-the-knights-templar

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:44:18 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/18/2024 11:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:35:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:05:56?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/18/2024 4:44 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:13:19?PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>> Horrified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
>>>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
>>>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
>>>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
>>>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
>>>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
>>>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait for Part Two:
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taking an economic viewpoint: If China wants to be the manufacturer and supplier of goods to the world, it's counterproductive to kill people, or cause lockdowns, among their customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Mao's victims took a good part of China's brainpower with them. A Chinese composer told me that in Mao's anti-sutural revolution, his mother's hands were smashed by her students. She was a professor of piano. Without teachers, the students who smashed her hands had no careers; a couple he knew about died of starvation. Smart people breed smart children. -- AJ
>>>>>>
>>>> I didn't excuse or support any of the campaigns above.
>>>>
>>>> To understand current domestic policy in china, one may do
>>>> well to consider recent precedents. China nuclear theory,
>>>> when I was young and they first developed nuclear weapons,
>>>> was that china is a large country where, at that time, the
>>>> most advanced technology in most of it was an oxcart. China
>>>> already had extensive underground cities for top CCP members
>>>> and the PLA so the assumption was that 'nuclear devastation'
>>>> wasn't all that bad.
>>>>
>>>> Or as communists frequently note, "You can't make an
>>>> omelette without breaking eggs".
>>>>
>>>> There is never an omelette.
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>> Stalin destroyed the entire thinking class of Russia because they were the one's with money. Pol Pot killed fully 30% of Cambodians. Liebermann, Scharf, Flunky and Krygowski would cooperate fully with communists. It is said that most people would cooperate in murdering millions as long as they were people that had money. This is the ONE area in which John has a clear advantage - he has lived under an authoritarian government for so long he knows for certain that they can decide not to tolerate him at any moment and for any reason or none.
>>
>> Nope, Tommy gets it wrong again. The Pol Pot government killed
>> something in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 million people, said to be
>> 1/4 of the population in his effort to create an agrarian socialist
>> republic.
>>
>
>As I noted above, in order to consolidate political power.
>
>Back to the original issue, I strongly doubt that several
>millions dead of his own people and/or foreigners would give
>Mr Xi pause in deploying a more lethal bioweapon shortly.
>Its just not a limiting factor in communist theory.

And the U.S. developed chemical warfare weapons from as early as 1918
and the U.S. last chemical warfare device was finally destroyed in
July of 2023. Many things are done in times of war for many reasons.

Read, for example, why the U.S. entered into the
Spanish war. Or the U.S. military intervention into central America
during the Banana wars. Notably Honduras, where the United Fruit
Company and Standard Fruit Company dominated the country's key banana
export sector and associated land holdings and railways, saw insertion
of American troops in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924 and 1925.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/19/2024 9:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Back to the original issue, I strongly doubt that several millions dead
> of his own people and/or foreigners would give Mr Xi pause in deploying
> a more lethal bioweapon shortly.

It's weird to call COVID a Chinese "bioweapon." What would be the logic
of releasing a "bioweapon" that had such terrible effects on the Chinese
economy? See
https://www.chinacenter.net/2023/china-currents/22-1/the-covid-19-pandemics-impact-on-the-chinese-economy/

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 6:41:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/18/2024 11:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:50:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:50:52?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 1/18/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:13:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/17/2024 7:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>>> This could have no justification except as a bio-weapon.
> >>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/01/17/the-chinese-have-cooked-up-another-covid-strain-thats-beyond-irresponsible-n2633738
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Makes me wonder if the Chinese can really be so stupid that they don't understand that their current economic problems, just like those in the rest of the world, stem from the Chinese COVID Pandemic. To make such a gross mistake twice...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>>> Horrified
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stalin had no problem with 6~8 million dead in Holmodor to
> >>>>> consolidate political power. Pol Pot exterminated about 1/3
> >>>>> of all Cambodians the same. Mao's Great Leap Forward removed
> >>>>> some 30 million 'useless mouths' from the population. So
> >>>>> far Xi has only brought economic decline and a moderate
> >>>>> death toll. The purge of his high ranking CCP enemies
> >>>>> continues. This is still a work in progress.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Not to forget the acts of the Holy Roman Church with their Holy Wars,
> >>>> Crusades and Inquisition.
> >>>> Deaths in the Crusades, for example, were estimated to be from 2 to 6
> >>>> million from Western Europe during a period when the population of
> >>>> Western Europe was 60 to 70 million. From 3 - 10% of the Western
> >>>> European population.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Wait for Part Two:
> >>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/covid-19-strain-kills-100-of-infected-mice-in-chinese-lab-study/
> >>> European crusades were not unlike any nation or empire of
> >>> the period. Also note that the first began as the formerly
> >>> benign caliphate began persecuting robbing, killing pilgrims
> >>> to Jerusalem. No draft either, willing volunteers,
> >>> qualified and useful or not.
> >>>
> >>> And I've explained the Spanish Inquisition here previously.
> >>> Following the Protestant trend in Northern Europe, some 1/3
> >>> of German speaking people were killed in sectarian conflict.
> >>> The King of Spain said, "Not here'.
> >>>
> >>> Nice? A model for us? Defensible? No, but not just out of
> >>> the blue either.
> >>>
> >>> p.s. The interested reader may find a brief review of moslem
> >>> conquest, slavery and religious persecution enlightening.
> >>> --
> >>> Andrew Muzi
> >>> a...@yellowjersey.org
> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >> John looks up stuff on google and believes it to be true. He never read any books explaining the Crusades because that would have meant he had to actually read something written by experts on the subject. And horror of horrors if he should listen to an expert on anything. This is why he retired as a Master Sargant.
> >>
> >> The Crusaders protected the pilgrims going and returning from the holy land. They built castles (one of which is still standing I believe) and fortresses to protect the routes to and from Nazareth. They did not kill indiscriminately but usually thieves and robbers along the route and made treaties with what are now called 'Palestinians' To allow Pilgrims access to the Holy Land. This was a benefit to the local authorities since the pilgrims were relatively rich and the locals relatively poor.
> >>
> >
> > Oh, I guess I didn't understand. After all the Crusaders killed the
> > entire population of Jerusalem, as many as 40,000 people, and blood
> > was said to be ankle deep in the streets, after conquering the city in
> > 1099.
> >
> > And this was to protect the pilgrims?
> Yes that happened[1].
> One battle in a few hundred years with extreme examples on
> both sides as strength, resources and strategy rose and
> fell. Culminating in Vienna and Lepanto after which a sort
> of detente (except for the Armenians).
>
> https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide
>
>
> [1] One might make the same argument about Japanese children
> who burned to death in Curtis LeMay's firebombings which
> were much more lethal than the two atom bombings combined. I
> wouldn't make that argument but you might.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"At the Council of Piacenza in 1095, Pope Urban II received envoys from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I asking Western Christians for assistance in liberating large parts of the Eastern Roman Empire from the Seljuk Turks who had conquered large parts of the region since 1070."

This means that both the Crusaders and the Eastern Roman Empire attacked Jerusalem together to rid themselves of the Turks. Unlike Slocomb's statements that the entire population of Jerusalem was exterminated. Medieval warfare was not a controlled warfare like WW II which itself had rather extreme crimes committed by both sides. Slocomb simply cannot keep himself from saying stupid things. The Battle of Jerusalem only lasted a month and a half in a time when sieges commonly lasted years. I wonder that Slocomb isn't developing Alzheimer's.