On 3/31/2024 8:22 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> shawn wrote:
>
>>>>> Do you remember Maddy? I wish they would have brought her
>>>>> back for S45 instead of Bruce.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first
>>>> person voted out after Bruce left, but I have no
>>>> recollection of her. In fact, scanning the list of early
>>>> exits that season, I don't really recognize any of the
>>>> pre-jury exits by name other than Matthew who got hurt.
>>>
>>> A clear case of illusion of grandeur from the producers.
>>> They interact so much with "superfans" of the show now they
>>> think people are also into memorization of Survivor trivia.
>>
>> The only people likely to be able to that matching game are
>> those that have a perfect memory. I can't imagine anyone
>> else, even a fan of the game, bothering to memorize all the
>> seasons. After all this isn't The Amazing Race where the
>> flags of all the countries they visit in a season often
>> comes into play.
>
> As you REMEMBER there were challenges that tested the players
> memory, but not relating to Survivor trivia.
>
> Those challenges were pretty interesting - I remember I was
> impressed by how many symbols they could remember, as they
> beat me, I, contrary to them well-fed and completely relaxed.

You weren't motivated by the chance to win $1 million. Also, in TAR they
can take notes throughout the race and study them. If teams make good
use of their downtime, tasks such as the flags one, are a lot easier.

--
Brian

On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>
> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person voted
> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.

She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
idoled
out in a 1-0 vote.

On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>
>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person voted
>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>
> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
> idoled
> out in a 1-0 vote.

Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The only
other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah and
Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.

--
Brian

"Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>
>On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>
>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person
>>> voted
>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>
>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
>> idoled
>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>
>Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The only
>other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah and Frannie.
>A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>

Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and such, so
everyone will know she's good if she returns. Same problem would affect
Emily from S45 if she came back. Returning players almost never win unless
it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season (Boston Rob might be the only
exception), and Jeff seems to prefer mostly new players nowadays.

--

On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person
>>>> voted
>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>
>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
>>> idoled
>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>
>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah
>> and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>
>
> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns.  Same problem
> would affect Emily from S45 if she came back.  Returning players almost
> never win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season (Boston
> Rob might be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer mostly new
> players nowadays.
>
> --

I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
"all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season for
the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era
people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over" season
with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid twists. A
couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).

--
Brian

"Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>
>On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person
>>>>> voted
>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>
>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
>>>> idoled
>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>
>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The only
>>> other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah and
>>> Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>
>>
>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and such,
>> so everyone will know she's good if she returns. Same problem would
>> affect Emily from S45 if she came back. Returning players almost never
>> win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season (Boston Rob might
>> be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer mostly new players
>> nowadays.
>>
>> --
>
>I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of "all"
>new players. It would have to be a returning players season for the reasons
>who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era people mixed with
>pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over" season with 20 past players
>who were negatively impacted by stupid twists. A couple of examples would
>be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>

Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at it),
Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no more
returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured player return),
no more this vs. that season or second or third chances, etc. He seems to
really be enamored with the idea of new players with new "stories" we get to
unfold as the season goes on, so I think we'll be forced to endure that
until ratings eventually start to fall.

--

On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first
>>>>>> person voted
>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>
>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she was
>>>>> idoled
>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>
>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>>>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah
>>>> and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
>>> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns.  Same problem
>>> would affect Emily from S45 if she came back.  Returning players
>>> almost never win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season
>>> (Boston Rob might be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer
>>> mostly new players nowadays.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
>> "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season for
>> the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era
>> people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over"
>> season with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid
>> twists. A couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>
>
> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at
> it), Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no more
> returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured player
> return), no more this vs. that season or second or third chances, etc.
> He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new players with new
> "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on, so I think we'll be
> forced to endure that until ratings eventually start to fall.
>
> --

I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.

--
Brian

"Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uuhk5g$3cd48$1@dont-email.me...
>
>On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person
>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing herself
>>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> idoled
>>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>>>>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah
>>>>> and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
>>>> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns. Same problem
>>>> would affect Emily from S45 if she came back. Returning players almost
>>>> never win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season (Boston
>>>> Rob might be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer mostly new
>>>> players nowadays.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
>>> "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season for
>>> the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era
>>> people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over" season
>>> with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid twists. A
>>> couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at it),
>> Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no more
>> returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured player
>> return), no more this vs. that season or second or third chances, etc.
>> He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new players with new
>> "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on, so I think we'll be
>> forced to endure that until ratings eventually start to fall.
>>
>> --
>
>I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.
>

That's a fair point, not to mention that next summer will mark 25 years that
the show has been on the air. It's hard to imagine them not doing
SOMETHING to celebrate such significant milestones which will occur in
back-to-back calendar years (S50 should nominally air in 2026). The only
caveat is that ratings for the show continue to be quite good (more than 4.5
million viewers which isn't nothing), it is the top-rated reality show on
the network and second only to 60 Minutes in non-scripted shows, and the
network probably doesn't want to mess too much with a format that has been
working well for them. It's also hard to come up with a gimmick they can
use that won't undermine Jeff's previous aversion to more gimmicks and his
desire to just label the seasons by the numbers. But mostly it's just hard
to envision what they could possibly do for S50 that would compare with the
S40 all-winners season where only previous winners could appear. Sure,
they could do another All Winners with just the New Era winners along with
the rejects who didn't make S40 cut like Mike Halloway, Tommy Sheehan and
the like, but who really will want to see that? I dunno, we'll have to see
what they come up with.

--

On 4/2/2024 3:35 PM, Rick wrote:
> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uuhk5g$3cd48$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first
>>>>>>>> person voted
>>>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing
>>>>>>> herself
>>>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44,
>>>>>>> she was
>>>>>>> idoled
>>>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>>>>>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are
>>>>>> Sarah and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
>>>>> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns.  Same
>>>>> problem would affect Emily from S45 if she came back.  Returning
>>>>> players almost never win unless it's an all-returnee or
>>>>> half-returnee season (Boston Rob might be the only exception), and
>>>>> Jeff seems to prefer mostly new players nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
>>>> "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season
>>>> for the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New
>>>> Era people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over"
>>>> season with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid
>>>> twists. A couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at
>>> it), Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no
>>> more returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured
>>> player return), no more this vs. that season or second or third
>>> chances, etc. He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new
>>> players with new "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on, so
>>> I think we'll be forced to endure that until ratings eventually start
>>> to fall.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.
>>
>
> That's a fair point, not to mention that next summer will mark 25 years
> that the show has been on the air.   It's hard to imagine them not doing
> SOMETHING to celebrate such significant milestones which will occur in
> back-to-back calendar years (S50 should nominally air in 2026). The only
> caveat is that ratings for the show continue to be quite good (more than
> 4.5 million viewers which isn't nothing), it is the top-rated reality
> show on the network and second only to 60 Minutes in non-scripted shows,
> and the network probably doesn't want to mess too much with a format
> that has been working well for them.    It's also hard to come up with a
> gimmick they can use that won't undermine Jeff's previous aversion to
> more gimmicks and his desire to just label the seasons by the numbers.
> But mostly it's just hard to envision what they could possibly do for
> S50 that would compare with the S40 all-winners season where only
> previous winners could appear.    Sure, they could do another All
> Winners  with just the New Era winners along with the rejects who didn't
> make S40 cut like Mike Halloway, Tommy Sheehan and the like, but who
> really will want to see that?  I dunno, we'll have to see what they come
> up with.
>
> --

There's been rumors for several years that S50 will be a Legends season
which would be cool but I don't see that happening. Would Hatch play?
Would Jeff want Russell back? What incentive would have to be offered to
people such as Tony, Boston Rob, Sandra, and Parv to get them to play
again? A $5 million pot with a $100K appearance fee? Another problem
with doing a Legends season is no one from the New Era can be considered
a legend. By this time next year we should know what they've decided to do.

--
Brian

"Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uuidh4$3lqea$1@dont-email.me...
>
>On 4/2/2024 3:35 PM, Rick wrote:
>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uuhk5g$3cd48$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
>>>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>>>>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first
>>>>>>>>> person voted
>>>>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing
>>>>>>>> herself
>>>>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> idoled
>>>>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>>>>>>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah
>>>>>>> and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
>>>>>> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns. Same problem
>>>>>> would affect Emily from S45 if she came back. Returning players
>>>>>> almost never win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season
>>>>>> (Boston Rob might be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer
>>>>>> mostly new players nowadays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
>>>>> "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season for
>>>>> the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era
>>>>> people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over"
>>>>> season with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid
>>>>> twists. A couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at
>>>> it), Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no
>>>> more returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured player
>>>> return), no more this vs. that season or second or third chances, etc.
>>>> He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new players with new
>>>> "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on, so I think we'll be
>>>> forced to endure that until ratings eventually start to fall.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.
>>>
>>
>> That's a fair point, not to mention that next summer will mark 25 years
>> that the show has been on the air. It's hard to imagine them not doing
>> SOMETHING to celebrate such significant milestones which will occur in
>> back-to-back calendar years (S50 should nominally air in 2026). The only
>> caveat is that ratings for the show continue to be quite good (more than
>> 4.5 million viewers which isn't nothing), it is the top-rated reality
>> show on the network and second only to 60 Minutes in non-scripted shows,
>> and the network probably doesn't want to mess too much with a format that
>> has been working well for them. It's also hard to come up with a
>> gimmick they can use that won't undermine Jeff's previous aversion to
>> more gimmicks and his desire to just label the seasons by the numbers.
>> But mostly it's just hard to envision what they could possibly do for S50
>> that would compare with the S40 all-winners season where only previous
>> winners could appear. Sure, they could do another All Winners with
>> just the New Era winners along with the rejects who didn't make S40 cut
>> like Mike Halloway, Tommy Sheehan and the like, but who really will want
>> to see that? I dunno, we'll have to see what they come up with.
>>
>> --
>
>There's been rumors for several years that S50 will be a Legends season
>which would be cool but I don't see that happening. Would Hatch play? Would
>Jeff want Russell back? What incentive would have to be offered to people
>such as Tony, Boston Rob, Sandra, and Parv to get them to play again? A $5
>million pot with a $100K appearance fee? Another problem with doing a
>Legends season is no one from the New Era can be considered a legend. By
>this time next year we should know what they've decided to do.
>

Problem with doing a "Legends" season is they basically already did that
through a combination of "Game Changers" and "Winners at War". And other
than Hatch and Hantz (neither of whom is likely to be invited), who else
would qualify as a legend that didn't appear on one of the earlier two
seasons? After a while, it gets a little bit absurd bringing the same
"greatest players" or all-stars or whatever you want to call them back over
and over for yet another iteration.

Now what would be interesting to me and to fans of the international
versions would be some kind of All-Star or Greatest Player season that
included players from the US, Australian and South African seasons, along
with perhaps a token player or two from the UK and New Zealand seasons all
competing against one another. I think it would be possible to have, say,
five players from the US, five from Oz, five from SA and maybe two from NZ
and one from the recent UK season. Now THAT would be pretty interesting and
could perhaps be simulcast in all five countries, which would be a
legitimate world-wide event. Could it happen? Maybe. It's been talked
about from time to time and I think there is enough synergy between the
various English-language versions that perhaps some variant of what I'm
talking about could be pulled off.

Am I going to hold my breath on this? No. But it would definitely fit the
bill as something worthy enough of the US show's 25th anniversary or 50th
season celebration.

--

"Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uuidh4$3lqea$1@dont-email.me...

On 4/2/2024 3:35 PM, Rick wrote:
> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uuhk5g$3cd48$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
>>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>>>> "Brian Smith" wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first person
>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing
>>>>>>> herself
>>>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44, she
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> idoled
>>>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining. The
>>>>>> only other people from S44 that I would like to see again are Sarah
>>>>>> and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to win IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts and
>>>>> such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns. Same problem
>>>>> would affect Emily from S45 if she came back. Returning players
>>>>> almost never win unless it's an all-returnee or half-returnee season
>>>>> (Boston Rob might be the only exception), and Jeff seems to prefer
>>>>> mostly new players nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season of
>>>> "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players season for
>>>> the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a season of New Era
>>>> people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do a "Screwed Over" season
>>>> with 20 past players who were negatively impacted by stupid twists. A
>>>> couple of examples would be Danny (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look at
>>> it), Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons, no more
>>> returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured player
>>> return), no more this vs. that season or second or third chances, etc.
>>> He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new players with new
>>> "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on, so I think we'll be
>>> forced to endure that until ratings eventually start to fall.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.
>>
>
> That's a fair point, not to mention that next summer will mark 25 years
> that the show has been on the air. It's hard to imagine them not doing
> SOMETHING to celebrate such significant milestones which will occur in
> back-to-back calendar years (S50 should nominally air in 2026). The only
> caveat is that ratings for the show continue to be quite good (more than
> 4.5 million viewers which isn't nothing), it is the top-rated reality show
> on the network and second only to 60 Minutes in non-scripted shows, and
> the network probably doesn't want to mess too much with a format that has
> been working well for them. It's also hard to come up with a gimmick
> they can use that won't undermine Jeff's previous aversion to more
> gimmicks and his desire to just label the seasons by the numbers. But
> mostly it's just hard to envision what they could possibly do for S50 that
> would compare with the S40 all-winners season where only previous winners
> could appear. Sure, they could do another All Winners with just the
> New Era winners along with the rejects who didn't make S40 cut like Mike
> Halloway, Tommy Sheehan and the like, but who really will want to see
> that? I dunno, we'll have to see what they come up with.
>
> --

On 4/2/2024 8:39 PM, Rick wrote:
> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uuidh4$3lqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 4/2/2024 3:35 PM, Rick wrote:
>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uuhk5g$3cd48$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2024 8:23 AM, Rick wrote:
>>>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufp9f$2uo7n$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/1/2024 5:58 PM, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>> "Brian Smith"  wrote in message news:uufg57$2p0vo$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/1/2024 4:55 PM, Zeppo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, Rick wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I just looked up that season and see she was the first
>>>>>>>>>> person voted
>>>>>>>>>> out after Bruce left, but I have no recollection of her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She was the young woman who caught my attention by describing
>>>>>>>>> herself
>>>>>>>>> as “feral” in the pre-game interview. As to her demise in S44,
>>>>>>>>> she was
>>>>>>>>> idoled
>>>>>>>>> out in a 1-0 vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maddy was great. She came to play and she's very entertaining.
>>>>>>>> The only other people from S44 that I would like to see again
>>>>>>>> are Sarah and Frannie. A Mattless Frannie would be a threat to
>>>>>>>> win IMHO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except Frannie has become pretty visible, appearing on podcasts
>>>>>>> and such, so everyone will know she's good if she returns.  Same
>>>>>>> problem would affect Emily from S45 if she came back.  Returning
>>>>>>> players almost never win unless it's an all-returnee or
>>>>>>> half-returnee season (Boston Rob might be the only exception),
>>>>>>> and Jeff seems to prefer mostly new players nowadays.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't mean to imply I want to see these guys again in a season
>>>>>> of "all" new players. It would have to be a returning players
>>>>>> season for the reasons who stated. I'd actually like to see a
>>>>>> season of New Era people mixed with pre-S40 people. They could do
>>>>>> a "Screwed Over" season with 20 past players who were negatively
>>>>>> impacted by stupid twists. A couple of examples would be Danny
>>>>>> (S41) and Victoria (S38).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately (or maybe it's fortunate, depending on how you look
>>>>> at it), Jeff's current mindset seems to be no more "theme" seasons,
>>>>> no more returning player seasons (except for the occasional injured
>>>>> player return), no more this vs. that season or second or third
>>>>> chances, etc. He seems to really be enamored with the idea of new
>>>>> players with new "stories" we get to unfold as the season goes on,
>>>>> so I think we'll be forced to endure that until ratings eventually
>>>>> start to fall.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I can't see CBS letting S50 go to waste and I doubt Jeff will either.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a fair point, not to mention that next summer will mark 25
>>> years that the show has been on the air.   It's hard to imagine them
>>> not doing SOMETHING to celebrate such significant milestones which
>>> will occur in back-to-back calendar years (S50 should nominally air
>>> in 2026). The only caveat is that ratings for the show continue to be
>>> quite good (more than 4.5 million viewers which isn't nothing), it is
>>> the top-rated reality show on the network and second only to 60
>>> Minutes in non-scripted shows, and the network probably doesn't want
>>> to mess too much with a format that has been working well for
>>> them.    It's also hard to come up with a gimmick they can use that
>>> won't undermine Jeff's previous aversion to more gimmicks and his
>>> desire to just label the seasons by the numbers. But mostly it's just
>>> hard to envision what they could possibly do for S50 that would
>>> compare with the S40 all-winners season where only previous winners
>>> could appear.    Sure, they could do another All Winners  with just
>>> the New Era winners along with the rejects who didn't make S40 cut
>>> like Mike Halloway, Tommy Sheehan and the like, but who really will
>>> want to see that?  I dunno, we'll have to see what they come up with.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> There's been rumors for several years that S50 will be a Legends
>> season which would be cool but I don't see that happening. Would Hatch
>> play? Would Jeff want Russell back? What incentive would have to be
>> offered to people such as Tony, Boston Rob, Sandra, and Parv to get
>> them to play again? A $5 million pot with a $100K appearance fee?
>> Another problem with doing a Legends season is no one from the New Era
>> can be considered a legend. By this time next year we should know what
>> they've decided to do.
>>
>
> Problem with doing a "Legends" season is they basically already did that
> through a combination of "Game Changers" and "Winners at War".   And
> other than Hatch and Hantz (neither of whom is likely to be invited),
> who else would qualify as a legend that didn't appear on one of the
> earlier two seasons?  After a while, it gets a little bit absurd
> bringing the same "greatest players" or all-stars or whatever you want
> to call them back over and over for yet another iteration.

Yeah, a "Legends" season would definitely require inviting people back
we've already seen a million times.

> Now what would be interesting to me and to fans of the international
> versions would be some kind of All-Star or Greatest Player season that
> included players from the US, Australian and South African seasons,
> along with perhaps a token player or two from the UK and New Zealand
> seasons all competing against one another.   I think it would be
> possible to have, say, five players from the US, five from Oz, five from
> SA and maybe two from NZ and one from the recent UK season.  Now THAT
> would be pretty interesting and could perhaps be simulcast in all five
> countries, which would be a legitimate world-wide event.   Could it
> happen?  Maybe.  It's been talked about from time to time and I think
> there is enough synergy between the various English-language versions
> that perhaps some variant of what I'm talking about could be pulled off.
>
> Am I going to hold my breath on this?  No.  But it would definitely fit
> the bill as something worthy enough of the US show's 25th anniversary or
> 50th season celebration.

I was going to mention this idea but after some reflection decided it
would look bad to celebrate the 50th season of the U.S. version by
showcasing foreign versions.

--
Brian