According to the logic of the antisemites (Herman et al), they want Israel to watch Jews get rape-murdered and then do nothing... be gentle to Hamas (modern day Nazis) and their supporters; give them more money, more aid - best: decolonize Israel and reward them a Palestinian state for their barbaric acts... which is what Ray wants wholeheartedly lol

Notsure01 wrote:

> Probably nothing.

Quite the contrary, you can preach self
restraint, peace and civility to Hamas.

Who knows, you might be able to convince
them better than you managed with r.m.c.r.

Ciao!

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> According to the logic of the antisemites
> (Herman et al), they want Israel to watch
> Jews get rape-murdered and then do nothing...
> be gentle to Hamas (modern day Nazis) and
> their supporters; give them more money, more
> aid - best: decolonize Israel and reward them
> a Palestinian state for their barbaric acts...
> which is what Ray wants wholeheartedly lol

There is a Palestinian state. It is named
Jordan. It is also worth mentioning that
more Arabs were killed by Arabs and more
Muslims were killed by Muslims than by
all other nations or religions combined.

Ciao!

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> According to the logic of the antisemites
>> (Herman et al), they want Israel to watch
>> Jews get rape-murdered and then do nothing...
>> be gentle to Hamas (modern day Nazis) and
>> their supporters; give them more money, more
>> aid - best: decolonize Israel and reward them
>> a Palestinian state for their barbaric acts...
>> which is what Ray wants wholeheartedly lol

> There is a Palestinian state. It is named
> Jordan. It is also worth mentioning that
> more Arabs were killed by Arabs and more
> Muslims were killed by Muslims than by
> all other nations or religions combined.

All true. Islam made them crazy (but that's another topic).

> Ciao!

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> Herman wrote:

>> The war in Gaza on the other
>> hand IS pointless slaughter.

> *Says Herman, the expert on
> middle east, who never spent
> a day in Israel ;)

Herman is an expert in slaughters.
He slaughters music for a living
using his fiddle.

Cheers

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
> Just a word on the complexity of the matter:
>
> Terrorists and their helpers invaded Israel
> on 10/7 and butchered Jews and took Israeli
> civilians as hostages.

You forgot to mention firing thousands of
rockets into Israel some of which reached
as far as Tel-Aviv and beyond. This was
far more than an isolated terror attack
by a group of barbarians. It was Gaza as
a nation attacking Israel as a nation. It
was a clear act of war in any possible
interpretation of international law.

> The population in Gaza did not try to
> stop Hamas, but actually cheered them
> on. Now Israel has vowed to free the
> hostages and eliminate Hamas - as any
> sensible person would do.

The population of Gaza IS Hamas. They
elected Hamas as their government with
a higher percentage of the vote than
Mussolini, Hitler or Tojo.

> There is nothing complex about this;
> this is good vs evil, plain and simple.
> You are just too blind to see, because
> you are obviously deluded yourself.

What else is new?

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
> Instead of calling Herman out on his
> antisemitism, you call me out for
> having problems with Herman's
> antisemitism -- are you retarded?
<

He is not. Keep in mind the approved
r.m.c.r. usage is "BRAINFUCKED".

cHEERS

DeepBlue wrote:
>
> Notsure01 wrote:

>> Probably nothing.
>
> Quite the contrary, you can preach self
> restraint, peace and civility to Hamas.
>
> Who knows, you might be able to convince
> them better than you managed with r.m.c.r.

Hey NotSure,

Did you book your flight to Qatar yet?

Ciao!

On 3/23/2024 7:47 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
> On 24/03/2024 7:32 am, Herman wrote:
>> "I believe a case could be made to respond to statements like "israelis are Nazis" when they appear here."
>>
>> Notsure, no one has ever made such statements here. I sure didn't. I have said judeonazi is a nazi; he calls himself a nazi.
>>
>> You're trying to talk to two severily disturbed people who make up stuff just as a license to hate.
>>
>> "Andy, Herman, Ray, or Pluted Poop who call Netanyahu a "murderer" every time they open their mouths? "
>
> The facts never ever got in the way of preventing the little nazi shit from venting his hatred of those that call murderers murderers. Simple but true. Everything this cretin says is laughable. Maybe his mummy can confiscate his pc for a spell.
>
>>
>> This never happened. Do note the quotation marks  -

It just happened, didn't it?

  with DK this usually means he's making it up.
>> Perhaps the only solution is to post about classical music, a subject in which both gentlemen do not have any interest whatsoever in.
>
> The little nazi fool's music taste is so boring, and full of stodge, and repetitively ridiculous, he might actually believe we care. We don't.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>
>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and 'Netanyahu is a murderer."
>>
>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may be a crook, but he's not running around shooting people.The war in Gaza on the other hand IS pointless slaughter.
>
> And guess who is leading the country !!
>

As in the U.S, and other democracies, the Israeli Prime Minister does not have unilateral authority to wage war. He needs help. It follows, then, if he is a murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the overwhelming majority of the Israeli people. And then there are Jews in the diaspora, many or most of whom support the war. All murderers. I'm surprised you have not pointed that out to us.
i

>
>  The only thing that will come of it is one or two new
>> generations of terrorists.
>
> Maybe more. And it will be deserved.
>

It does not follow the fact that there are successive generations of terrorists stems from attempts to eradicate them in real time.

>
>> I'm not keeping books on people, but I don't think Andy or Ray had a habit of deleting their posts. Just keep on making up things; however, the only one you're fooling is your little butt boy.
>
> The little butt boy and his followers will make anything up. Nothing new about that.
>
>
>> I know Marc S, who has since then properly renamed himself a Nazi, used to delete virtually everything he posted, because of his habit of writing absolute nonsense and then changing his mind.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

DeepBlue wrote:
>
> Notsure01 wrote:

>> Probably nothing.
>
> Quite the contrary, you can preach self
> restraint, peace and civility to Hamas.
>
> Who knows, you might be able to convince
> them better than you managed with r.m.c.r.

>Hey NotSure,

>Did you book your flight to Qatar yet?

Dan, you are quite correct. In general, you have surely surmised by now that, for me, “my grand piano doesn’t reach the full seven octaves” (or should I say that “most of the methods on my objects are throwing exceptions”).

Certainly, most normal people would have already realized that it is foolish for anyone to expect to achieve peace at RMCR - let alone in the Middle East.

And how senseless is it for me to preach to others about avoiding this topic — while right this minute I’m perpetuating the discussion!

But I’m also baffled why you and Marc seem to think that I am taking sides on this debate when I’m just (foolishly) trying to tone down the acrimony.

Seems to me to be two separate issues here - the Gaza War/Antisemitism/Palestine - and how we all interact on RMCR.

For the first issue, I'm not sure what to think. But since you and Marc are asking my opinions, I'll reluctantly provide some thoughts.

I’m not an expert in the history of the conflict, but my impression is that the western media decades ago was uniformly pro-Israeli, but is now uniformly anti-Israel. For now, all the people I know are appalled by the suffering in Gaza - while not considering how they would react if their own country were to be attacked.

I feel that is very wrong to accuse anyone here of antisemitism when they are just motivated by basic human empathy - and it is hard to not reach the conclusion that the Israeli army under the leadership of an extreme right wing government is now using much more force than necessary , probably as a deterrent.

But what Hamas did in October is unspeakably evil. The media seems to have already forgotten what Hamas did - the unbelievable savagery of their attack and that they are continuing to hold innocent hostages. Hamas controls the media in Gaza and the reporting is so obviously slanted - I remember how during the first week of the conflict we were told that a drought is about to happen, then we were told that Israel deliberately destroyed a hospital and killed hundreds only to learn that an errant Islamic Jihad missile had set fire to a parking lot.

Before anyone points out that these are just a set of rambling, incoherent thoughts - I realize that. The fact that I haven't posted previously or responded to other posts is because I realize quite well my ignorance about these issues.

And before I posted my original thread, I also realized that I wasn't expressing anything that folks don't already understand, and that it would rightfully be labelled preaching - when in my feeble way my hope is to simply preserve RMCR.

This brings us to the second point, how folks act on RMCR. This is an unmoderated group, so I have no right to tell you what to do. But it is an unmoderated group so I can express my viewpoint about fellow RMCRers freely.

For sure, those poting on the Gaza war have reached a perspective on this issue after a lot of careful consideration and research.

But after thoughtfully reaching a position on issues, wouldn't it be better to express a viewpoint in a way that would convince others? Otherwise, what is the point of posting? Does it accomplish anything to insult other people?

My feeling is that there are numerous folks who follow RMCR frequently who seldom or never post, and there are certainly several active participants still. To me, it seems obvious that people will be reluctant to participate here if all they see is arguing and insults - and not even about music!

As I have stated (too) frequently, Music is a key part of my life, and RMCR - with its unique set of knowledgable experts- has been a great resource. My only motivation is to help ensure its survival.

Now please excuse me - I have an appointment coming up with my mental therapist - or is it the piano tuner?

Notsure01 wrote:
>
> But I’m also baffled why you and
> Marc seem to think that I am
> taking sides on this debate

Please don't mix me and Marc S.
We definitely do not think the
same.

It was pretty obvious since the
moment you landed in this ng
that the only "side" you are
promoting is yourself.

> when I’m just (foolishly)
> trying to tone down the
> acrimony.

See? You ARE taking sides! ;-)

Cheers!

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> NotSure, look at the following:
>
> Pluted Pup wrote:
>
>> All Jews say that Jews are always right,
>> and victims of Jews are always wrong.
>
> -- How about you advice Pluted and the
> other antisemites to get some manners -
> seems you lack them yourself ;)

Manners are useless when one has no brain.
Or when one's brain is pluted.

On 26/03/2024 3:38 pm, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>>
>>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and 'Netanyahu is a murderer."
>>>
>>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may be a crook, but he's not
>>> running around shooting people.The war in Gaza on the other hand IS
>>> pointless slaughter.
>>
>> And guess who is leading the country !!
>>
>
> As in the U.S, and other democracies, the Israeli Prime Minister does
> not have unilateral authority to wage war.  He needs help. It follows,
> then, if he is a murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the
> overwhelming majority of the Israeli people.  And then there are Jews in
> the diaspora, many or most of whom support the war.  All murderers.  I'm
> surprised you have not pointed that out to us.

He is a far right leader, and NOT supported overwhelmingly by the
Israeli people. His cabinet consists very largely of far right
politicians whose aim, even before the Hamas attack, would by default be
the elimination of the Palestinian people in Gaza. Don't mess with the
facts. Hatred exists on both sides, and has for a long time, and Israel
has done nothing to heal long festering wounds. Israel is aided
enormously by the US, so the Israelis under the PM and his bunch of
cronies have carte blanche approval to do what they like. And they are
doing it.

Of course, I expect no other response from you. So please just let it
rest, and let DK and his little nazi butt boy say what they like, but
there are those here who are simply appalled by their attitude to the
deaths and starvation of tens of 1000s of people, aside from their quite
obvious bias and idiotic blather. You may live in a bubble, but there
are those in this world who don't.

And lastly, you, and the dynamic duo of idiots, do not speak for all
Jewish people. You speak for the rabid element only.

Ray Hall, Taree

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>> Just a word on the complexity of the matter:
>>
>> Terrorists and their helpers invaded Israel
>> on 10/7 and butchered Jews and took Israeli
>> civilians as hostages.

> You forgot to mention firing thousands of
> rockets into Israel some of which reached
> as far as Tel-Aviv and beyond. This was
> far more than an isolated terror attack
> by a group of barbarians. It was Gaza as
> a nation attacking Israel as a nation. It
> was a clear act of war in any possible
> interpretation of international law.

Yes, like the Germans invading Poland or Russians invading the Ukraine.

What is interesting to note here though is, the Germans (I'm speaking generally, not about individuals) as opposed to the Muslims from Gaza, sort of tried to hide the atrocities they committed, while the people in Gaza shared videos of them butchering Jews, shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God I do not want to hear this anymore) with their families -- and this was all celebrated in Gaza, not just in Gaza, but within muslim communities around the world, even in Europe.

In contrast to the muslims, the Germans (speaking generally, not about individuals) were still influenced by Christianity to some degree (*I know the Christians treated Jews very inhumanely, and I despise them for that), so they still seemed to have some feeling of shame for what they were doing, even though it was buried deep inside of them -- but the Muslims, they really have no shame - this is related to Islam.
If Hamas had been victorious, the people in Gaza wouldn't be crying as they are doing now; no, they would be celebrating the death of Jews and the destruction of Israel (as they did on 10/7) -- similar to how the Germans would have celebtrated Hitler if he had been victorious btw. Only after they lost, they were like "Oh, no I did not support Hitler blablablabla and he forced us blablablabla".

>> The population in Gaza did not try to
>> stop Hamas, but actually cheered them
>> on. Now Israel has vowed to free the
>> hostages and eliminate Hamas - as any
>> sensible person would do.

> The population of Gaza IS Hamas. They
> elected Hamas as their government with
> a higher percentage of the vote than
> Mussolini, Hitler or Tojo.

Yes.

>> There is nothing complex about this;
>> this is good vs evil, plain and simple.
>> You are just too blind to see, because
>> you are obviously deluded yourself.

> What else is new?

A German Zionist? ;)

DeepBlue wrote:

> Notsure01 wrote:

>> Probably nothing.

> Quite the contrary, you can preach self
> restraint, peace and civility to Hamas.

> Who knows, you might be able to convince
> them better than you managed with r.m.c.r.

lol

> Ciao!

Notsure01 wrote:

> But I’m also baffled why you and Marc seem to think that I am taking sides on this debate when I’m just (foolishly) trying to tone down the acrimony.

Funny how you can't even acknowledge that say for example pluted's antisemitism makes rmcr a very unpleasant place for decent people - instead you focus on me. You are too stupid to see your own shortcomings.

Did I ever ehar you say anything about Gerard? No
Anything about Herman? No - well except for telling us we should be taking Herman as an example; sure why not, let's all be friendly with rabid antisemites as Herman is.
Etc etc

Sure you are taking sides lol...

You are essentially letting evil unfold - by not condemning the antisemitism here.

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> Notsure01 wrote:

>> But I’m also baffled why you and Marc seem to think that I am taking sides on this debate when I’m just (foolishly) trying to tone down the acrimony.

> Funny how you can't even acknowledge that say for example pluted's antisemitism makes rmcr a very unpleasant place for decent people - instead you focus on me. You are too stupid to see your own shortcomings.

> Did I ever ehar you say anything about Gerard? No
> Anything about Herman? No - well except for telling us we should be taking Herman as an example; sure why not, let's all be friendly with rabid antisemites as Herman is.
> Etc etc

> Sure you are taking sides lol...

> You are essentially letting evil unfold - by not condemning the antisemitism here.

As Dan has pointed out so astutely, it is foolish to expect any results when you are an anonymous person on the Internet proposing that someone else change their behavior... consider that even after 48 years of marriage my wife has had little success with me - and she has access to numerous incentives and disincentives...

This is why I feel that it is not worthwhile for me to respond to every controversial statement at RMCR...

And just to clarify, when I mention taking sides, I'm referring to the quandary of what should be done about the war in Gaza. I see the validity of parts of all of the perspectives being expressed here - but still think I'm not qualified to draw any conclusions or propose any solutions.

As for the interaction here at RMCR, I firmly believe that the nastiness and as well as the enormous attention to this OT topic is hurting participation at RMCR.

To put it charitably, you are clearly a person who is thoughtful, and carefully considers other people's motivations and your own. You seem familiar with philosophers and intellectuals, and are certainly willing to engage on the controversial issues of the day. Because of this, and since you are asking me, I humbly offer a suggestion:

As you pointed out in another recent thread:

>The thing with Schubert for me is also... like, he finds a beautiful melody (as in D935 No.2) and then repeats it without end... Don't >think much of this...

A case could be made for your pointing out someone's prejudices here - but not to do it endlessly!

Now I need your help - I'm told I really am Brainfucked - and you are recommending that I Fuck Off - but once I do that, what will happen to my Brain???

Notsure01 wrote:

> As Dan has pointed out so astutely,
> it is foolish to expect any results
> when you are an anonymous person on
> the Internet proposing that someone
> else change their behavior...

Don't kid yourself. It is just as hard
to convince people of anything when one
is a known person -- especially when
one's arguments are weak and one's
case is non-existent.

Another point you seem to miss is that
this is a 3 millennia conflict between
two major religions -- not a quarrel
about a parking space.

> consider that even after 48 years of
> marriage my wife has had little success
> with me - and she has access to numerous
> incentives and disincentives...

If you kept your job for 48 years you
must be a very pliable programmer.

> This is why I feel that it is not
> worthwhile for me to respond to
> every controversial statement at
> RMCR...

Then why do you keep making them?
You started.

> And just to clarify, when I mention
> taking sides, I'm referring to the
> quandary of what should be done about
> the war in Gaza. I see the validity of
> parts of all of the perspectives being
> expressed here - but still think I'm
> not qualified to draw any conclusions
> or propose any solutions.

Then why don't you shut up?

> As for the interaction here at RMCR, I
> firmly believe that the nastiness and
> as well as the enormous attention to
> this OT topic is hurting participation
> at RMCR.

"Participation" is not a goal. It is
nothing more than your fantasy. The
folks who want t participate will do
so no matter what others tell them.

> To put it charitably, you are clearly
> a person who is thoughtful, and carefully
> considers other people's motivations and
> your own. You seem familiar with philosophers
> and intellectuals, and are certainly willing
> to engage on the controversial issues of the
> day. Because of this, and since you are asking
> me, I humbly offer a suggestion:
>
> As you pointed out in another recent thread:
>
>> The thing with Schubert for me is also... like,
>> he finds a beautiful melody (as in D935 No.2)
>> and then repeats it without end... Don't think
>> much of this...
>
> A case could be made for your pointing out
> someone's prejudices here - but not to do it
> endlessly!

Isn't this the very point of counterpoint?

> Now I need your help - I'm told I really am
> Brainfucked - and you are recommending that
> I Fuck Off - but once I do that, what will
> happen to my Brain???

The remaining bits of your brain will be handed
over to the coroner to determine the specific
cause of brainfuck.

Ciao!

Frank Berger wrote:
>
> On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>>
>>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and
>>> "Netanyahu is a murderer."

Both sentences are not only untrue, but
also completely stupid.

>>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may
>>> be a crook, but he's not running around
>>> shooting people.The war in Gaza on the
>>> other hand IS pointless slaughter.
>>
>> And guess who is leading the country !!
>>
>
> As in the U.S, and other democracies, the
> Israeli Prime Minister does not have
> unilateral authority to wage war.

Less so in fact than POTUS. In Israel there is
no equivalent to presidential executive orders.
All decisions are made by the entire Cabinet.

> He needs help. It follows, then, if he is a
> murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the
> overwhelming majority of the Israeli people.
> And then there are Jews in the diaspora, many
> or most of whom support the war. All murderers.
> I'm surprised you have not pointed that out to
> us.

Don't give them any ideas. They might take you
at face value.

>>> The only thing that will come of it is one
>>> or two new generations of terrorists.
>>
>> Maybe more. And it will be deserved.

This has not happened in Germany or in Japan
after they were defeated in WWII. Keeping my
fingers crossed.

Cheers!

Notsure01 wrote:

> As Dan has pointed out so astutely, it is foolish to expect any results when you are an anonymous person on the Internet proposing that someone else change their behavior... consider that even after 48 years of marriage my wife has had little success with me - and she has access to numerous incentives and disincentives...

You're beating around the bush, running away from taking responsibility. You failed to recognize and condemn the antisemitism displayed by pluted - he did not talk about Israel, he made generalizations about Jews; more specifically: Jews are always lying.

Sure we won't change him -- he is already too fucked in the head. But we can stop communicating with him and bring his antisemitism to the attention of others.

Now if you can't see any contradictions with Ray and Herman calling me and the Jews Nazis, while being friendly to pluted to talks like a nazi... you need to open your eyes a little bit...

> This is why I feel that it is not worthwhile for me to respond to every controversial statement at RMCR...

You felt it was worthwhile to make a thread basically about me lol

> And just to clarify, when I mention taking sides, I'm referring to the quandary of what should be done about the war in Gaza. I see the validity of parts of all of the perspectives being expressed here - but still think I'm not qualified to draw any conclusions or propose any solutions.

"I see validity of parts of all of the perspectives" ... aren't you a good fellow? If everyone was just like you, we would have world-peace...

> As for the interaction here at RMCR, I firmly believe that the nastiness and as well as the enormous attention to this OT topic is hurting participation at RMCR.

I believe antisemites hurt the participation at RMCR... Nastiness directed at antisemites is perfectly justified - it's too little actually ;)

> To put it charitably, you are clearly a person who is thoughtful, and carefully considers other people's motivations and your own. You seem familiar with philosophers and intellectuals, and are certainly willing to engage on the controversial issues of the day. Because of this, and since you are asking me, I humbly offer a suggestion:

> As you pointed out in another recent thread:

>>The thing with Schubert for me is also... like, he finds a beautiful melody (as in D935 No.2) and then repeats it without end... Don't >think much of this...

> A case could be made for your pointing out someone's prejudices here - but not to do it endlessly!

Tell that to the antisemites ;) I will not stop ridiculing them until they either change their minds or they're dead.

> Now I need your help - I'm told I really am Brainfucked - and you are recommending that I Fuck Off - but once I do that, what will happen to my Brain???

NotSure

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>> A case could be made for your pointing out someone's prejudices here - but not to do it endlessly!

> Tell that to the antisemites ;) I will not stop ridiculing them until they either change their minds or they're dead.

Antisemites have been repeatign themselves endlessly for 3k years - someone needs to shut them up.

"if you can't see any contradictions with Ray and Herman calling me and the Jews Nazis"

What anyone on this newsgroup can see is you're acting out your massive delusions here. Check the name you're writing under. You're calling yourself a nazi. In addition you're frequently calling for an entire nation to be flattened, destroyed and exterminated, quipping it wouldn't be genocide, because there are enough Arabs left. So that's what people are seeing.

I never called "the Jews" nazis. You're making up straw men all the time, because you're a head case. You should get offline and check yourself in a mental institution. Anyone can see your seriously bonkers.

You're also imaging you're going to change the history of antisemitism by indulging in hatred on a tiny little music newsgroup? How about stopping your own ethnic hatred, coming clean (not here, please) about what your grandparents did for Hitler.

You're a standard issue antisemite yourself, constantly telling people who just happen to be Jewish how they should feel, do and live, because a German kid like you knows what best for Jews. That's antisemitism to a T. Your occasional use of tourist guide Jiddish is deeply embarrassing.

Mr Pup has perhaps written some iffy things (I don't keep books on people, why would I?) but other than that there is ero antisemtism here, apart from your good self. you're confusing people who do not like senseless killing in Israel and Gaza with antisemitism. That's because you're not very smart and always on the verge of hysterics ('teenage tits' anyone?)

You're taking huge advantage of the fact this group is an unmoderated free-for-all, and yet you're desperately trying to censor every nano-meter of bandwidth here.

A lot of this you're doing to try and get a pat on the head from the other resident hater slash censor, but of course that's never going to happen.

Herman wrote:

> You're a standard issue antisemite yourself,
> constantly telling people who just happen
> to be Jewish how they should feel, do and
> live, because a German kid like you knows
> what best for Jews. That's antisemitism to
> a T.

Dutch kids like you and Gerard are no better.
Nor are Aussies and Pommies like Ray and
Andy any better. Everybody and their
kin know what's best for us Jews ;-)

> Your occasional use of tourist guide
> Yiddish is deeply embarrassing.

There is no such thing as "tourist guide
Yiddish". Yiddish speakers don't "tour".
They visit relatives.

Maybe it's time to start plugging the
holes in your Gouda.

Ciao!

Herman wrote:

> "if you can't see any contradictions with Ray and Herman calling me and the Jews Nazis"

> What anyone on this newsgroup can see is you're acting out your massive delusions here. Check the name you're writing under. You're calling yourself a nazi. In addition you're frequently calling for an entire nation to be flattened, destroyed and exterminated, quipping it wouldn't be genocide, because there are enough Arabs left. So that's what people are seeing.

1) I did not tell Jews how to feel; they can feel however they like. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies.

Let me help you with another example (which btw I have already provided): If I see someone saying africans are monkeys, I will call him out on that. If I see people - no matter if they're african or non-african - not taking issues with racism, I will call them out on that too. That's not racist ;) Just as it is not antisemitic to be confused by Jews who seemingly have no problem with antisemitism (see point 2).

2) I also do tell non-Jews the same as non-Jews -- to confront antisemitism. That's not antisemitic you retard.

As I've already explained, my name was chosen as an ironic gesture, because you called me a Nazi. Noone but a deluded idiot like you would think I'm serious.

How come if I'm a Nazi and Pluted is a Nazi, that we don't get along lol? While you and pluted get along quite well:That's because you're an antisemite Herman, and you don't take any issues with a Nazi like pluted - no you're friendly with him.

Gaza is not nation you retard, it is a part of "Fakestine", and Fakestine is no nation either, it never was and it never will be -- they screwed it up. They could've had their nation in 1948, but instead they chose to wage war against Israel to destroy it; and all they did until now is repeating a cycle: Start a war with Israel => get wrecked => start to cry and point fingers at the Israelis.

> I never called "the Jews" nazis. You're making up straw men all the time, because you're a head case. You should get offline and check yourself in a mental institution. Anyone can see your seriously bonkers.

Israelis are Jews and you said what Israelis did reminded you of what the Nazis did.

This is antisemitism as defined by IHRC.

You said the following:

Herman wrote:
> It's a scorched earth strategy. In case food trucks have a chance of getting close to starving Palestinians, groups of settlers block the roads because they want Palestinians to leave or die. This has been going on for a long time.
> The beauty of this genocidal strategy is that not everything is coming down from central command, soldiers and civilians do this because they're happily working towards the complete obliteration of Palestinian life.
> It's the same as with those Polish, Lithuanian and Ukrainian villagers back in 1943 who were only too happy to help the SS shoot Jews in ditches because these people were bugging them.

So what you're doing here is: You say the Israelis are just like the Ukrainian villagers who happily helped the SS shoot Jews -- this is drawing comparisons between Israelis and Nazis.

Furthmore you are claiming that Israel is committing a genocide, while no official body recognized this. Germany (despite their retarded politics concerning Israel) actually went against this in the court.

And a bunch of other things you got wrong...

> You're also imaging you're going to change the history of antisemitism by indulging in hatred on a tiny little music newsgroup? How about stopping your own ethnic hatred, coming clean (not here, please) about what your grandparents did for Hitler.

I'm just here in my spare-time, it's not my life, as it is yours ;)

Care to show me where I showcased ethnic hatred? Criticizing islam is not racism, just as criticizing Christianity is not racism -- it's religious criticism.

> You're a standard issue antisemite yourself, constantly telling people who just happen to be Jewish how they should feel, do and live, because a German kid like you knows what best for Jews. That's antisemitism to a T. Your occasional use of tourist guide Jiddish is deeply embarrassing.

You're making things up as explained above.

> Mr Pup has perhaps written some iffy things (I don't keep books on people, why would I?) but other than that there is ero antisemtism here, apart from your good self. you're confusing people who do not like senseless killing in Israel and Gaza with antisemitism. That's because you're not very smart and always on the verge of hysterics ('teenage tits' anyone?)

Mr Pup literally said - as I've quoted in this thread:

> Pluted Pup wrote:

>> All Jews say that Jews are always right, and
>> victims of Jews are always wrong.

Can't get anymore antisemitic than this. And I'm the only one who pointed it out, yet you think I'm an antisemite - get a grip Herman.

-- Actually I'm not hysterical, you are reacting hysterically just because I mentioned "teenage tits" -- This is also another case where you got things awfully wrong:

I am against the mutilation of children - healthy breasts of minors are beign cut off in the name of transgender-ideology.

So you don't condemn pluted's antisemitism, but me ;)
And you don't condemn the mutilation of children, but me speaking about it?

Anyone who has a clear mind, can clearly see how ridiculous you are.

> You're taking huge advantage of the fact this group is an unmoderated free-for-all, and yet you're desperately trying to censor every nano-meter of bandwidth here.

Actually the antisemites seem to be taking advantage of this ;D

> A lot of this you're doing to try and get a pat on the head from the other resident hater slash censor, but of course that's never going to happen.

Huh? Generally I'm on good terms with Dan, I do not need his pat -- I've criticized Dan massively - obviously I don't give a shit about what Dan thinks of me.

You are making a whole lot of stuff up