Herman wrote:

> That's because you're not very smart and always on the verge of hysterics ('teenage tits' anyone?)

You think Nabokov would've taken issues with this? ;D

I also wonder how Herman would attempt to explain how a Nazi can be pro-Israel ;D

In article <f8177d2f7bf5301bcfc90ab1ca8ecca1@www.novabbs.com>,
Herman <herst@online.nl> wrote:
>You're a standard issue antisemite yourself, constantly telling
>people who just happen to be Jewish how they should feel, do and
>live, because a German kid like you knows what best for Jews.
>That's antisemitism to a T.

Just imagine a random person, not a Jew or someone with any credentials
at all, coming into a group with many active Jews & relatives of
Jews, and constantly lecturing everyone about antisemitism. Leaving
aside what he actually says -- which is horrible -- it's a completely
absurd thing to do. It's worth lingering there a moment. And yes,
he goes right after anyone who appears to be Jewish. And he makes
openly antisemitic jokes. And then tells us they aren't, because
he knows better -- again, based on absolutely nothing.

When I was training to be a certified mediator, plus ongoing training
in the job (which is constant, but I resigned my public post in
2015...), besides various alternative dispute resolution & restorative
justice approaches, one of the major sources was Marshall Rosenberg's
_Nonviolent Communication_. It's a good book, with exercises....
Of course, someone would need to care in the first place, but I
learned it from seasoned pros.

Don't forget, our antisemitic anti-antisemite took a tour through
various other divisive topics before settling on this one (which
"works" so well because of you-know-who...). It's not even his
first choice of things to scream about. His hatred of Muslims does
seem sincere though.

But then, when I was an adolescent, other students were becoming
angry that they wouldn't have a chance to go kill people in Vietnam,
so they started talking about going to kill people in Israel: They
interspersed ethnic slurs for both groups right into the same
sentences where they expressed fondness for Israel & the killing.
It's not a new thing.

Todd:

"Just imagine a random person, not a Jew or someone with any credentials
at all, coming into a group with many active Jews & relatives of
Jews, and constantly lecturing everyone about antisemitism. Leaving
aside what he actually says -- which is horrible -- it's a completely
absurd thing to do."

"Don't forget, our antisemitic anti-antisemite took a tour through
various other divisive topics before settling on this one (which
"works" so well because of you-know-who...). It's not even his
first choice of things to scream about."

Pretty much nails it.

Todd M. McComb wrote:
>
> When I was training to be a certified
> mediator, plus ongoing training in the
> job (which is constant, but I resigned
> my public post in 2015...), besides
> various alternative dispute resolution
> & restorative justice approaches, one
> of the major sources was Marshall
> Rosenberg's _Nonviolent Communication_.

Non-violent communication is difficult
to achieve with violent people.

> It's a good book,

How many copies were sold in Gaza?
Would anyone there even buy a book
authored by a Rosenberg?

> with exercises....

Carefully designed for scripted practice
sessions?

> Of course, someone would need to care
> in the first place, but I learned it
> from seasoned pros.

Are any of the "seasoned pros" coaching
Yahya Sinwar and his team?

The obvious flaw in your discourse is
that in theory, practice and theory are
the same. In practice, they are not.

The other obvious flaw is that different
social groups communicate abd negotiate
differently. Rosenberg's teachings are
probably shaped by his Western education.

It is not obvious to what extent Western
values and principles carry over to other
cultures. It is even no longer obvious if
they carry over to Western civilization.

Cheers

On 28/03/2024 8:33 pm, DeepBlue wrote:
> Herman wrote:
>> You're a standard issue antisemite yourself, constantly telling people
>> who just happen to be Jewish how they should feel, do and live,
>> because a German kid like you knows what best for Jews. That's
>> antisemitism to a T.
> Dutch kids like you and Gerard are no better. Nor are Aussies and
> Pommies like Ray and Andy any better. Everybody and their kin know
> what's best for us Jews ;-)
>> Your occasional use of tourist guide Yiddish is deeply embarrassing.
> There is no such thing as "tourist guide Yiddish". Yiddish speakers
> don't "tour". They visit relatives. Maybe it's time to start plugging
> the holes in your Gouda. Ciao!

I'm more worried about the Amish, the Sami, and other minority groups
who don't go around reminding people who they are, to bother with those
who spend their whole time trying to promote themselves constantly and
incessantly to the point of utter boredom.

Ray Hall, Taree

Pseudo DeepBlue wrote:

'Non-violent communication is difficult
to achieve with violent people.

How many copies were sold in Gaza?'

Perhaps you're mixing medication with alcohol? It would be obvious to any sane and sober reader that Todd was referring to communication on this newsgroup when he was talking about

"one of the major sources was Marshall Rosenberg's
"Nonviolent Communication". It's a good book"

Of course, when you're drunk you talk about inflicting violence on RMCR members here. Also, recently your little butt boy talked about posting here while intoxicated and getting his Mozarts mixed up, or whatever.

However what you're doing now is acting as if the Gaza - Israel war occurs here, making it impossible to have non-violent discussions. That is a demagogue's move out of the fascist handbook just sayin'.

Raymond Hall wrote:

> I'm more worried about the Amish, the
> Sami, and other minority groups who
> don't go around reminding people who
> they are,

You don't care about the Armenians? The
Kurds? The Roma? The Uyghurs? The Maori?
Or even the Aborigines in your backyard?

No wonder you don't care about the Jews
or the Rohynga or the Yazidi !!!

Cheers!

On 3/26/2024 7:01 AM, Raymond Hall wrote:
> On 26/03/2024 3:38 pm, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>>> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>>>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>>>
>>>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and 'Netanyahu is a murderer."
>>>>
>>>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may be a crook, but he's not running around shooting people.The war in Gaza on the other hand IS pointless slaughter.
>>>
>>> And guess who is leading the country !!
>>>
>>
>> As in the U.S, and other democracies, the Israeli Prime Minister does not have unilateral authority to wage war.  He needs help. It follows, then, if he is a murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the overwhelming majority of the Israeli people.  And then there are Jews in the diaspora, many or most of whom support the war.  All murderers.  I'm surprised you have not pointed that out to us.
>
> He is a far right leader,

Meaning he is too conservative for your liking.

>and NOT supported overwhelmingly by the Israeli people.

The Israeli people HAVE overwhelmingly supported the war.

> His cabinet consists very largely of far right politicians whose aim, even before the Hamas attack, would by default be the elimination of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

Zero evidence for this. Just too ridiculous.

> Don't mess with the facts. Hatred exists on both sides,

It's not 50-50 as you seem to be implying. If overnight, the citizens of Israel truly believed that a Palestinian state Gaza and the WB would truly be a peace partner, I bet 75% or more Israeli's wold support it. They don't because the proposition is ludicrous. The leaders of the Palestinians (and their populace ad evidenced by elections and polls) seen to destroy Israel; to gain a state alongside Israel only as a step towards Israeli's destruction. My God, they say so openly.

> and has for a long time, and Israel has done nothing to heal long festering wounds.

How do you heal someone from wanting to kill you?

> Israel is aided enormously by the US, so the Israelis under the PM and his bunch of cronies have carte blanche approval to do what they like. And they are doing it.

Yet they are doing nothing that previous (and leftist) governments haven't done.

>
> Of course, I expect no other response from you.

I've responded as I choose and how I have responded in the past. I would love for you respond point by point, but I don't think you will. You will just response with memes.

So please just let it rest, and let DK and his little nazi butt boy say what they like, but there are those here who are simply appalled by their attitude to the deaths and starvation of tens of 1000s of people, aside from their quite obvious bias and idiotic blather. You may live in a bubble, but there are those in this world who don't.
>
> And lastly, you, and the dynamic duo of idiots, do not speak for all Jewish people. You speak for the rabid element only.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

On 4/04/2024 9:26 am, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/26/2024 7:01 AM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>> On 26/03/2024 3:38 pm, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>>>> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>>>>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>>>>
>>>>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and 'Netanyahu is a murderer."
>>>>>
>>>>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may be a crook, but he's not
>>>>> running around shooting people.The war in Gaza on the other hand IS
>>>>> pointless slaughter.
>>>>
>>>> And guess who is leading the country !!
>>>>
>>>
>>> As in the U.S, and other democracies, the Israeli Prime Minister does
>>> not have unilateral authority to wage war.  He needs help. It
>>> follows, then, if he is a murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the
>>> overwhelming majority of the Israeli people.  And then there are Jews
>>> in the diaspora, many or most of whom support the war.  All
>>> murderers.  I'm surprised you have not pointed that out to us.
>>
>> He is a far right leader,
>
> Meaning he is too conservative for your liking.
>
>
>> and NOT supported overwhelmingly by the Israeli people.
>
> The Israeli people HAVE overwhelmingly supported the war.

A different answer this time, which is also untrue. Only a large
contingent of those in league with the rabid Zionist leadership, can one
use the word "overwhelmingly". Is it really necessary to post links to
the anti-war demonstrations taking place in Israel as we speak? In fact,
one would be more correct to say anti-Zionist government demonstrations.
There are and have been many similar demonstrations taking place in many
other parts of the world, as I am sure you will take care not to mention.

>> His cabinet consists very largely of far right politicians whose aim,
>> even before the Hamas attack, would by default be the elimination of
>> the Palestinian people in Gaza.
>
> Zero evidence for this.  Just too ridiculous.

There are 70 years of evidence but you will refute all the evidence.

>
>> Don't mess with the facts. Hatred exists on both sides,
>
> It's  not 50-50 as you  seem to be implying.  If overnight, the citizens
> of Israel truly believed that a Palestinian state Gaza and the WB would
> truly be a peace partner, I bet 75% or more Israeli's wold support it.
> They don't because the proposition is ludicrous.  The leaders of the
> Palestinians (and their populace ad evidenced by elections and polls)
> seen to destroy Israel; to gain a state alongside Israel only as a step
> towards Israeli's destruction. My God, they say so openly.

Want to say anything about the Israeli intentions towards Palestinians?
Don't bother, because it is all being played out as we speak.

>> and has for a long time, and Israel has done nothing to heal long
>> festering wounds.
>
> How do you heal someone from wanting to kill you?

Israel and its leaders, as I say again and again, have done absolutely
zero towards fostering anything other than hatred. In fact one could
more easily argue they have encouraged it.
>
>
>> Israel is aided enormously by the US, so the Israelis under the PM and
>> his bunch of cronies have carte blanche approval to do what they like.
>> And they are doing it.
>
> Yet they are doing nothing that previous (and leftist) governments
> haven't done.

Why bother putting in the word "leftist" when everybody and their dog
knows that with moderate leadership, the situation might well be
different now.

>>
>> Of course, I expect no other response from you.
>
> I've responded as I choose and how I have responded in the past.  I
> would love for you respond point by point, but I don't think you will.
> You will just response with memes.

I have also responded, as I believe in the truth. Not emanating from
clear bias as you always show, which to some extent is understandable.
But that doesn't make it true.

>
>  So please just let it rest, and let DK and his little nazi butt boy
> say what they like, but there are those here who are simply appalled by
> their attitude to the deaths and starvation of tens of 1000s of people,
> aside from their quite obvious bias and idiotic blather. You may live in
> a bubble, but there are those in this world who don't.
>>
>> And lastly, you, and the dynamic duo of idiots, do not speak for all
>> Jewish people. You speak for the rabid element only.
>>
>> Ray Hall, Taree

So once again, please let it rest. At least you try to formulate
answers, which coming from you is partly understandable, and which will
never be apparent from the two pathetic fascist loving buffoons here.

Ray Hall, Taree

On 4/3/2024 7:08 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
> On 4/04/2024 9:26 am, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/26/2024 7:01 AM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2024 3:38 pm, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 3/24/2024 7:35 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:
>>>>> On 25/03/2024 7:55 am, Herman wrote:
>>>>>> You don't see the difference between these two statements?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The war in Gaza is slaughter" and 'Netanyahu is a murderer."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The latter is just gas. Netanyahu may be a crook, but he's not running around shooting people.The war in Gaza on the other hand IS pointless slaughter.
>>>>>
>>>>> And guess who is leading the country !!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As in the U.S, and other democracies, the Israeli Prime Minister does not have unilateral authority to wage war.  He needs help. It follows, then, if he is a murderer, so is his cabinet, as well as the overwhelming majority of the Israeli people.  And then there are Jews in the diaspora, many or most of whom support the war.  All murderers.  I'm surprised you have not pointed that out to us.
>>>
>>> He is a far right leader,
>>
>> Meaning he is too conservative for your liking.
>>
>>
>>> and NOT supported overwhelmingly by the Israeli people.
>>

No Prime Minister in recent memory has been supported overwhelming by the Israeli people. That is a strange standard by which to judge the legitimacy of a government. Do Australian elections require, say, a 2/3 majority to elect anyone?

>> The Israeli people HAVE overwhelmingly supported the war.
>
> A different answer this time, which is also untrue. Only a large contingent of those in league with the rabid Zionist leadership, can one use the word "overwhelmingly". Is it really necessary to post links to the anti-war demonstrations taking place in Israel as we speak? In fact, one would be more correct to say anti-Zionist government demonstrations. There are and have been many similar demonstrations taking place in many other parts of the world, as I am sure you will take care not to mention.
>

These demonstrations are not like those against the Vietnam war in the 60s and 70s. The crowds are made up people with several different goals. There are those who are first and foremost anti-Netanyahu, for reasons not necessarily related to the war. There are those who are primarily interested in the release of the hostages, as if there is something Israel can do unilaterally to accomplish that. They are generally leftists or oppose Netanyahu anyway and are using the war and the hostages to try to bring him down. Not all of the hostage families support these demonstrations, either.

Citing Aljazeera, an Israeli poll in March indicated 81.5% of respondents favored military pressure on Hamas as the best way to secure the release of the hostages.

>
>>> His cabinet consists very largely of far right politicians whose aim, even before the Hamas attack, would by default be the elimination of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
>>
>> Zero evidence for this.  Just too ridiculous.
>
> There are 70 years of evidence but you will refute all the evidence.
>

Specifying "70 years" is not evidence. In the past there were some Israeli settlers in Gaza. Israel removed them. There is no significant support for taking over Gaza. You seem to making this up. Again.

>>
>>> Don't mess with the facts. Hatred exists on both sides,
>>
>> It's  not 50-50 as you  seem to be implying.  If overnight, the citizens of Israel truly believed that a Palestinian state Gaza and the WB would truly be a peace partner, I bet 75% or more Israeli's wold support it. They don't because the proposition is ludicrous.  The leaders of the Palestinians (and their populace ad evidenced by elections and polls) seen to destroy Israel; to gain a state alongside Israel only as a step towards Israeli's destruction. My God, they say so openly.
>
> Want to say anything about the Israeli intentions towards Palestinians? Don't bother, because it is all being played out as we speak.

I have, and i will again, and you will ignore what I say again. As Dan as said, Israel was invaded on Oct. 7 by the government of a neighboring entity. It has responded with a plan to eliminate the enemy, Hamas, or at least it's rule over Gaza. This was PRECISELY the allied objective in WWII. To eliminate the Nazis from power. There was no genocide. There were civilian casualties, of course, but they came as a result of pursuing the legitimate war aim. Same for the war in Japan.

You always say, "this is clear," or "that is clear." Well, the reason for your everlasting mischaracterization of simple facts regarding Israel is also clear.

>
>>> and has for a long time, and Israel has done nothing to heal long festering wounds.
>>
>> How do you heal someone from wanting to kill you?
>
> Israel and its leaders, as I say again and again, have done absolutely zero towards fostering anything other than hatred. In fact one could more easily argue they have encouraged it.
>>

Of course, you've got this 100% backward. Must be a record.

>>
>>> Israel is aided enormously by the US, so the Israelis under the PM and his bunch of cronies have carte blanche approval to do what they like.

Do you even read the newspapers?

And they are doing it.
>>
>> Yet they are doing nothing that previous (and leftist) governments haven't done.
>
> Why bother putting in the word "leftist" when everybody and their dog knows that with moderate leadership, the situation might well be different now.

My point in saying leftist is that left-leaning governments in Israel have generally had no difference in policy towards the Palestinians than right-leaning governments. There is no particular reason to think a 'moderate" government would either.

>
>>>
>>> Of course, I expect no other response from you.
>>
>> I've responded as I choose and how I have responded in the past.  I would love for you respond point by point, but I don't think you will. You will just response with memes.
>
> I have also responded, as I believe in the truth. Not emanating from clear bias as you always show, which to some extent is understandable. But that doesn't make it true.
>
>>
>>   So please just let it rest, and let DK and his little nazi butt boy say what they like, but there are those here who are simply appalled by their attitude to the deaths and starvation of tens of 1000s of people, aside from their quite obvious bias and idiotic blather. You may live in a bubble, but there are those in this world who don't.
>>>
>>> And lastly, you, and the dynamic duo of idiots, do not speak for all Jewish people. You speak for the rabid element only.
>>>
>>> Ray Hall, Taree
>
> So once again, please let it rest. At least you try to formulate answers, which coming from you is partly understandable, and which will never be apparent from the two pathetic fascist loving buffoons here.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

You let it rest.

In today's news:

the IDF uses an Artificial Intelligence program called Lavender, which had initially set the number of Palestinians to be killed at 37.000 and the number of collatoral casualties at five per one designated killing. This collatoral nr may rise to fifteen.

IDF snipers shoot and kill Palestinian kids as young as three years old, according to surgeons of international organisations who are presented with toddlers with single bullet wounds to the head or cgest. This means there are actual IDF troops who zero in on kids in this age range and pull the trigger.

The six World Central Kitchen workers were deliberated killed; the IDF were in touch about their mission and knew who they were as they were shooting. Israel kills whoever is on a humanitarian mission to bring food to Gaza. Famine is a weapon.

139 journalists and reporters have been killed so far in Gaza. Netanyuhu has just shut down Al Jazeera's station in Israel. Israelis live in an information vacuum - which btw one can tell by people at RMCR denying that food transports are blocked at the Gaza border, a fact which Israel denies - which also brings to mind FBs repeated question why one would believe the numbers about Palestinian deaths Gaza puts out; who could believe what a Palestianian says? This question wasn't asked about Netanyahu, somehow.

On 4/04/2024 11:02 am, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/3/2024 7:08 PM, Raymond Hall wrote:

> I have, and i will again, and you will ignore what I say again.  As Dan
> as said, Israel was invaded on Oct. 7 by the government of a neighboring
> entity.  It has responded with a plan to eliminate the enemy, Hamas, or
> at least it's rule over Gaza.  This was PRECISELY the allied objective
> in WWII.  To eliminate the Nazis from power.  There was no genocide.
> There were civilian casualties, of course, but they came as a result of
> pursuing the legitimate war aim.  Same for the war in Japan.
>
> You always say, "this is clear," or "that is clear."  Well, the reason
> for your everlasting mischaracterization of simple facts regarding
> Israel is also clear.

It is very clear to all people of good faith and good intentions.
Obviously you don't agree. What else is new? As for DK and his little
bum boy, they are no better than those in Germany who supported the
holocaust. There is no distinction between them, none whatsoever. Life
is cheap to them, as long as it isn't theirs.

>>>> and has for a long time, and Israel has done nothing to heal long
>>>> festering wounds.
>>>
>>> How do you heal someone from wanting to kill you?
>>
>> Israel and its leaders, as I say again and again, have done absolutely
>> zero towards fostering anything other than hatred. In fact one could
>> more easily argue they have encouraged it.
>>>
>
> Of course, you've got this 100% backward.  Must be a record.

Of course it goes without saying that you don't, or you do and totally
ignore what you choose to ignore. But again what else is new?

Ray Hall, Taree

On 4/04/2024 11:11 am, Herman wrote:
> In today's news:
>
> the IDF uses an Artificial Intelligence program called Lavender, which
> had initially set the number of Palestinians to be killed at 37.000 and
> the number of collatoral casualties at five per one designated killing.
> This collatoral nr may rise to fifteen.
> IDF snipers shoot and kill Palestinian kids as young as three years old,
> according to surgeons of international organisations who are presented
> with toddlers with single bullet wounds to the head or cgest. This means
> there are actual IDF troops who zero in on kids in this age range and
> pull the trigger.
>
> The six World Central Kitchen workers were deliberated killed; the IDF
> were in touch about their mission and knew who they were as they were
> shooting. Israel kills whoever is on a humanitarian mission to bring
> food to Gaza. Famine is a weapon.
>
> 139 journalists and reporters have been killed so far in Gaza. Netanyuhu
> has just shut down Al Jazeera's station in Israel. Israelis live in an
> information vacuum  -  which btw one can tell by people at RMCR denying
> that food transports are blocked at the Gaza border, a fact which Israel
> denies  -  which also brings to mind FBs repeated question why one would
> believe the numbers about Palestinian deaths Gaza puts out; who could
> believe what a Palestianian says? This question wasn't asked about
> Netanyahu, somehow.

Don't present them with facts Herman. It confuses them.

Ray Hall, Taree

Herman wrote:
>
> In today's news:
>
> the IDF uses an Artificial Intelligence
> program called Lavender, which had initially
> set the number of Palestinians to be killed
> at 37.000 and the number of collatoral
> casualties at five per one designated
> killing. This collatoral nr may rise
> to fifteen.

So you take ANY "NEWS" at face value ?!?

Regardless of source, and no matter how
absurd ?!? Do you really believe anyone
outside the highest ranks of the IDF and
intelligence services knows what software
is used for simulations and war planning?

Let alone what specific results resulted
from its use for analyzing and planning
the Gaza operations? Wow !!!

You must be a total imbecile!

Cheers!

On 4/04/2024 2:43 pm, DeepBlue wrote:
> Herman wrote:
>> In today's news: the IDF uses an Artificial Intelligence program
>> called Lavender, which had initially set the number of Palestinians to
>> be killed at 37.000 and the number of collatoral casualties at five
>> per one designated killing. This collatoral nr may rise to fifteen.
>
> So you take ANY "NEWS" at face value ?!? Regardless of source, and no
> matter how absurd ?!? Do you really believe anyone outside the highest
> ranks of the IDF and intelligence services knows what software is used
> for simulations and war planning? Let alone what specific results
> resulted from its use for analyzing and planning the Gaza operations?
> Wow !!! You must be a total imbecile! Cheers!

Did I say I take any news at face value? The highest ranks of the IDF
are the last people I would believe about anything, you deceived and
delusional cretin. Genocide is the killing of 33,000 women and children
mostly, including aid workers. Got anything to say about that? Or are
only Israeli sources the truth? You are beyond pathetic. Crawl back to
your little Nazi pal and celebrate their deaths.

Ray Hall, Taree

Raymond Hall wrote:
>
> Genocide is the killing of 33,000 women and
> children mostly, including aid workers. Got
> anything to say about that?
>

Genocide is the targeted killing of defenseless
civilians based on race, religion or nationality.
It is a matter of intent, not numbers. During
WWII millions of civilians were killed as a
result of military operations. No historian
has ever claimed their deaths were "genocide".

On October 7, Gaza attacked Israel. This was
not a random act of terrorism by a band of
"activists" or "militants" (as the BBC likes
to describe them). It was an attack by an
independent nation state against another
nation. No different than Japan's attack
on Pearl Harbor that pulled the US into
WWII -- except worse.

Was the fire bombing of Japanese cities
"genocide"? Was nuking Hiroshima and
Nagasaki "genocide"? Not even Japanese
historians make such claims. They are
all well aware that Japan started the
war, and got what it deserved.

If Gaza/Hamas wanted to spare their
civiliani population from the horrors
of war they would not have started a
war. Just as simple as that.

"If Gaza/Hamas wanted to spare their
civiliani population from the horrors
of war they would not have started a
war. Just as simple as that."

Oct 7, a terrible day, wasn't the start of hostilities. Before this Palestinians were getting shot all the time, either by IDF or just by settlers who are confiscating land illegally. Israel had been in a state of war forever because of hostilities from both sides.

One of the horrible side effects of modern life is the way people's minds get warped by propaganda. So here is a guy who only cares about booze, chocolate, bad piano music and the sound of his own voice, breathlessly reproducing the war propaganda.

DeepBlue wrote:

> Herman wrote:
>>
>> In today's news:
>>
>> the IDF uses an Artificial Intelligence
>> program called Lavender, which had initially
>> set the number of Palestinians to be killed
>> at 37.000 and the number of collatoral
>> casualties at five per one designated
>> killing. This collatoral nr may rise
>> to fifteen.

> So you take ANY "NEWS" at face value ?!?

> Regardless of source, and no matter how
> absurd ?!? Do you really believe anyone
> outside the highest ranks of the IDF and
> intelligence services knows what software
> is used for simulations and war planning?

> Let alone what specific results resulted
> from its use for analyzing and planning
> the Gaza operations? Wow !!!

> You must be a total imbecile!

Herman is not only an imbecile, he is severly psychologically damaged ;)

You will never hear a word from these deranged people about the persecution of homosexuals in fakestine, nor will you hear anything about how the fakestinians brainwash their children with Islam to hate and murder Jews from these people; same when it comes to the misogyny in fakestine.. - only when Israel is in the news, they will start acting as if they are interested in human rights.

When it comes to the fact that healthy breasts of young women (often minors) in NLD and GER are being amputated in the name of transgender-ideology - 'to turn them into boys/men' - people like Herman and Ray are all silent -- because they are misogynists themselves. They don't care about human rights.

Herman taking issues with me talking about "tits of teenagers being cut off" reminds me a bit of George Orwell's 1985; as if Herman wants to dictate a "Korrektsprech" (*Neusprech) - the real issue, which is that healthy breasts of minors are being ampuated to "turn them into boys/men", ofc gets ignored by misogynists like Herman and Ray.

WRT Ray, he's that kind of guy, who will hate on Judaism and Christianty en masse, but when it comes to Islam, he'll act like a retard and defend it ;D

> Cheers!

In article <4eb4d1b1769ac3d9b3ff534592986655@www.novabbs.com>,
Herman <herst@online.nl> wrote:
>One of the horrible side effects of modern life is the way people's
>minds get warped by propaganda.

It's so powerful.

On 4/04/2024 5:59 pm, DeepBlue wrote:
> Raymond Hall wrote:
>> Genocide is the killing of 33,000 women and children mostly, including
>> aid workers. Got anything to say about that?
> Genocide is the targeted killing of defenseless civilians based on race,
> religion or nationality. It is a matter of intent, not numbers. During
> WWII millions of civilians were killed as a result of military
> operations. No historian has ever claimed their deaths were "genocide".
> On October 7, Gaza attacked Israel. This was not a random act of
> terrorism by a band of "activists" or "militants" (as the BBC likes to
> describe them). It was an attack by an independent nation state against
> another nation. No different than Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that
> pulled the US into WWII -- except worse. Was the fire bombing of
> Japanese cities "genocide"? Was nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki
> "genocide"? Not even Japanese historians make such claims. They are all
> well aware that Japan started the war, and got what it deserved. If
> Gaza/Hamas wanted to spare their civiliani population from the horrors
> of war they would not have started a war. Just as simple as that.

This Gaza genocide is not a war, much as you and Israel would like
people to believe. And nobody is saying Hiroshima and Nagasaki was
genocide you complete fool. Japan was an active participant of a global
war, where major armed forces locked arms with other major armed forces.

Gaza is pure aggression against a mostly defenceless population. The 3rd
Reich and the camps was genocide, and as much as you and the Israeli
junta of thugs would have people believe otherwise, so is Gaza. Both is
and was the elimination of undesired ethnic peoples.

And the aggression and atrocities against Palestinians started way
before the attack in October of last year. Last year was merely an
excuse and an opportunity to raze Gaza to the ground. A rabid Zionist
dream come true.

Ray Hall, Taree

Raymond Hall wrote:
>
> Gaza is pure aggression against a mostly
> defenceless population.

Defenseless populations don't fire thousands
of rockets at targets 50-60 miles away. May I
respectfully ask: where do you buy your gas?

> The 3rd Reich and the camps was genocide,
> and as much as you and the Israeli junta of
> thugs would have people believe otherwise,
> so is Gaza.

Not even the ICJ bought this story. You must
be severely deluded. Take your haloperidol
quickly before you experience a seizure!

> Both is and was the elimination of undesired
> ethnic peoples.

Such as the Jews? In case you didn't notice
Hamas' charter is to eliminate the Jews, and
not only from the Middle East.

> And the aggression and atrocities against
> Palestinians started way before the attack
> in October of last year. Last year was merely
> an excuse and an opportunity to raze Gaza to
> the ground.

I see. So according to down under logic, the
attack on Pearl Harbor was merely an excuse
and opportunity to raze Japan to the ground.
And the German attack on Russia was merely
an excuse and opportunity to raze Germany
to the ground. LOL!

These "discussions" make no sense at all, never did.
The Israel lobby (Berger, Koren, JudeoNAzi) will always defend everything Israel does. Whatever it does.
They are completely blind.
Imprisoning and torturing hundreds or thousands "suspects" wherever in the country? They will find it perfect.
Murdering 50 women and 60 children for eliminating ONE Hamas fighter? They will find it perfect.
Eliminating or chasing away everyone in Gaza? They will find it perfect.
Genocide? They will find it perfect.

On 4/4/2024 2:59 AM, DeepBlue wrote:
> Raymond Hall wrote:
>> Genocide is the killing of 33,000 women and children mostly, including aid workers. Got anything to say about that?
> Genocide is the targeted killing of defenseless civilians based on race, religion or nationality. It is a matter of intent, not numbers. During WWII millions of civilians were killed as a result of military operations. No historian has ever claimed their deaths were "genocide".
> On October 7, Gaza attacked Israel. This was not a random act of terrorism by a band of "activists" or "militants" (as the BBC likes to describe them). It was an attack by an independent nation state against another nation. No different than Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that pulled the US into WWII -- except worse. Was the fire bombing of Japanese cities "genocide"? Was nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki "genocide"? Not even Japanese historians make such claims. They are all well aware that Japan started the war, and got what it deserved. If Gaza/Hamas wanted to spare their civiliani population from the horrors of war they would not have started a war. Just as simple as that.

Except to rabid dogs.

"Except to rabid dogs."

Calling a people you don't identify with "rabid dogs" or "animals" is one of the ways to justify genocide.
Thanks, Frank for clearing that up. 35K dead, and more to go!