alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> The solution that should have been adopted by those
>> who are obsessed about cat shit is to not have a front
>> yard that is a gigantic litter tray that all the neighbour
>> cats will choose to use.

> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is notcleaned up
> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.

> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?

Because it isnt practical to follow your cat
around 24/7 and collect all its cat shit.

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On 06-Mar-24 13:23, alan_m wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 11:47, Theo wrote:
>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Probably the only way is to apply for an ASBO for the irresponsible cat
>>> owners who let their pets roam and shit in other peoples gardens. :(
>>
>> TBF they have built something that looks just like a giant cat litter
>> tray
>> with pristine white litter, so it's not surprising the cats think it's an
>> ideal place to poop.  Pooping in the litter tray provided is them doing
>> exactly what humans have trained them to do.
>>
>> Theo
>
>
> So the victims of irresponsible cat owners are to blame?
>
Well, now that you mention it...
But let's not call them "victims".
(Sheesh! Everyone's a 'victim' these days.)

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 18:37:20 +0000, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:

> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is not cleaned up
> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.
>
> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?

You got as much shit in your senile head as the senile troll you keep
feeding, you troll-feeding senile shithead!

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In article <l4rr1sFs8s0U1@mid.individual.net>,
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 18:00, charles wrote:

> > Cats don't have owners, they have people who provide bed & board.
> >

> Again typical response from cat owners that take no responsibility for
> the problem they have created.

I don't own a cat.

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On 06/03/2024 05:31 pm, alan_m wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 14:27, Theo wrote:
>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 06/03/2024 11:47, Theo wrote:
>>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>> Probably the only way is to apply for an ASBO for the irresponsible
>>>>> cat owners who let their pets roam and shit in other peoples
>>>>> gardens. :(
>
>>>> TBF they have built something that looks just like a giant cat
>>>> litter tray with pristine white litter, so it's not surprising
>>>> the cats think it's an ideal place to poop.  Pooping in the litter
>>>> tray provided is them doing exactly what humans have trained them
>>>> to do.
>
>>> So the victims of irresponsible cat owners are to blame?
>
>> How exactly are the cat owners irresponsible?
>
> By owning a pet that they know that they cannot control and then not
> taking any responsibility for cleaning up their pet's shit.

Is that in any way unlawful?

> And then they think this anti-social behaviour is perfectly acceptable
> by taking pride in quoting the bullshit that cats cannot be controlled.

Have you ever tried to control a cat?

Herded many, perhaps?
>> Somebody has built something that looks to them like a luxury toilet.  So
>> their options are to make it unappealing in some way - either physical
>> measures like covering it or changing the litter, or let it get dirty
>> enough that it's no longer an attractive toilet.
>
> Typical response from a cat person who fails to recognise that they are
> sole reason for this type of problem. It is no longer acceptable to have
> so many cats in a built up urban area

"Acceptable" to whom?

It's certainly alright with us at this address. The more cats in the
area, the merrier.

No cat ever woke me up by barking at 06:00.

> and the law should be changed to
> reflect that cats are a problem, and more so for the owners that make
> excuses for their failure to act in a responsible social manner when it
> comes to cat shit.

What would you describe as "a responsible social manner"?

> I'll bet you would be the first to complain if a dog owner let their pet
> shit in your front garden.

Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a
lead on the highway or in any other public place.

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 18:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> > The solution that should have been adopted by those
> > who are obsessed about cat shit is to not have a front
> > yard that is a gigantic litter tray that all the neighbour
> > cats will choose to use.
> >
>
> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is not cleaned up
> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.
>
> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?
>
However we seem not to worry about all the urban (or other) foxes,
squirrels, deer, etc., not to mention all the birds around the place.

Why pick on domestic animals?

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 21:17:28 +0000
JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 05:31 pm, alan_m wrote:
>
>
> > I'll bet you would be the first to complain if a dog owner let
> > their pet shit in your front garden.
>
> Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a
> lead on the highway or in any other public place.

Back when I passed my test, dogs were one of the nine Notifiable
Animals, a collision with one having to be reported to the police. Cats
were not.

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On 06/03/2024 06:37 pm, alan_m wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 18:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The solution that should have been adopted by those
>> who are obsessed about cat shit is to not have a front
>> yard that is a gigantic litter tray that all the neighbour
>> cats will choose to use.
>
> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is not cleaned up
> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.
>
> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?

When they come home, cats usually don't want to talk about their recent
defecations, so no-one knows the location.

Well, except for eye-witnesses.

On 06/03/2024 08:15 pm, charles wrote:

> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2024 18:00, charles wrote:

>>> Cats don't have owners, they have people who provide bed & board.
>
>> Again typical response from cat owners that take no responsibility for
>> the problem they have created.
>
> I don't own a cat.

As has already been (truthfully) remarked, no-one does, really.

On 3/6/2024 12:49 PM, alan_m wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 17:41, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 00:23:16 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/03/2024 11:47, Theo wrote:
>>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Probably the only way is to apply for an ASBO for the irresponsible cat
>>>>> owners who let their pets roam and shit in other peoples gardens. :(
>>>>  TBF they have built something that looks just like a giant cat litter tray
>>>> with pristine white litter, so it's not surprising the cats think it's an
>>>> ideal place to poop.  Pooping in the litter tray provided is them doing
>>>> exactly what humans have trained them to do.
>>>>  Theo
>>>
>>>
>>> So the victims of irresponsible cat owners are to blame?
>>
>> For deliberately making what the cat thinks is a giant cat litter tray, yep.
>
>
> So the solution that has be adopted by irresponsible cat owners is to make their own property look like the ideal litter tray so that their cats prefer shitting there.
> Cat owner need to take responsibly for their own pets and not insist that others spend money degrading their properties to make them unattractive as a cat toilet , or spend money on other cat deterrents.

Cats don't like to be squirted with water.

Cats will use anything. They use the dry dirt next to my house
for example. They are less likely to use a garden area. The ground
in the garden is a bit of clay, and hard to scratch in. You can put
a lot of amendments into clay, without achieving a result.

Cats would not like the smell of:

1) Fox urine (not likely to be humane collection, caged foxes etc)
2) Blood meal (you can no longer get that here, CJD risk or something)
(the animal thinks a recent kill is buried there)

There was a chemical deterrent, which worked well, but it also claimed
to "not harm plant life", and if you got some on a leaf, it would
damage the leaf, so it didn't live up to its billing. And it was
hard to dispense with any accuracy (sticky, stuck to the mouth of
the container, would fall off at the wrong moment). It looked a bit
like green Jello only darker.

There are battery powered devices, with a PIR sensor and a hose connection,
but those don't "aim" and are unlikely to hit an animal.

And I don't know if Spot is clever enough, to use his grabber on a cat :-)

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2-980x735.jpg

Cats can be recognized by using a YOLO ("you only look once") model.
You might need stereo vision to do ranging and aiming. The recognition
on this one is done in the Cloud. But a decent PC might also
handle it OK.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/sctxqh/p_i_built_a_robot_to_protect_my_birdfeeder_from/?rdt=53191

Paul

On 06/03/2024 09:20 pm, Joe wrote:

> JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2024 05:31 pm, alan_m wrote:
>
>>> I'll bet you would be the first to complain if a dog owner let
>>> their pet shit in your front garden.
>
>> Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a
>> lead on the highway or in any other public place.
>
> Back when I passed my test, dogs were one of the nine Notifiable
> Animals, a collision with one having to be reported to the police. Cats
> were not.

Yes, I remember that too.

On 06/03/2024 in message <l4s4r8Fu0nqU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:

>Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a lead
>on the highway or in any other public place.

In English law cats are recognised as animals that have a right to roam
whereas dogs aren't, one of the first things I learnt in my legal training
60 years ago and still true, I posted a link up thread somewhere.

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:01:52 +0000, wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:

>A neighbour (non cat owner) has a problem with cats defecating in his
>front garden which is covered with white chippings.
>The perimeter is too long & has too many access points to prevent them
>entering.
>He is currently contemplating covering the chippings with wire mesh.
>Can anyone suggest a better or more cost effective deterrent?

Run a live wire from the mains at a height of about 10" above ground
and squewer some bits of raw liver to it at intervals. Next morning,
just shovel up all the dead cats and chuck 'em in the dustbin. Sorted.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:01:52 +0000, wasbit wrote:

> He is currently contemplating covering the chippings with wire mesh. Can
> anyone suggest a better or more cost effective deterrent?

Sprinkle finely ground white pepper about, a reasonable amount. It has
worked effectively for me before.

On 6 Mar 2024 at 21:04:15 GMT, "Chris Green" <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2024 18:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> The solution that should have been adopted by those
>>> who are obsessed about cat shit is to not have a front
>>> yard that is a gigantic litter tray that all the neighbour
>>> cats will choose to use.
>>
>> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is not cleaned up
>> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.
>>
>> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?
>>
> However we seem not to worry about all the urban (or other) foxes,
> squirrels, deer, etc., not to mention all the birds around the place.
>
> Why pick on domestic animals?

And the Bodgers, too, who shit all over our lawn and dig holes.

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On 6 Mar 2024 at 21:17:28 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:

> No cat ever woke me up by barking at 06:00.

Or barking all day because the dweeb if an owner tied it up and went out. Or
bitten by one.

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On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 08:17:28 +1100, JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 05:31 pm, alan_m wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2024 14:27, Theo wrote:
>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 06/03/2024 11:47, Theo wrote:
>>>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Probably the only way is to apply for an ASBO for the irresponsible
>>>>>> cat owners who let their pets roam and shit in other peoples
>>>>>> gardens. :(
>>
>>>>> TBF they have built something that looks just like a giant cat
>>>>> litter tray with pristine white litter, so it's not surprising
>>>>> the cats think it's an ideal place to poop. Pooping in the litter
>>>>> tray provided is them doing exactly what humans have trained them
>>>>> to do.
>>
>>>> So the victims of irresponsible cat owners are to blame?
>>
>>> How exactly are the cat owners irresponsible?
>> By owning a pet that they know that they cannot control and then not
>> taking any responsibility for cleaning up their pet's shit.
>
> Is that in any way unlawful?
>
>> And then they think this anti-social behaviour is perfectly acceptable
>> by taking pride in quoting the bullshit that cats cannot be controlled.
>
> Have you ever tried to control a cat?

I managed to do that by accident.

Mates of mine, neighbours of mine, used to head
off to warmer climate in their 'mobile home' which
is a fitted out bus, every winter. They got me to feed
their 2 cats and field their snail mail while they were
away for months. I set an alarm on my PC to remind
me to feed them every day using the big store of food
they had laid in. When the mates returned, the cats
used to show up and demand to be fed at that time
for the rest of the year when the mates were home.

> Herded many, perhaps?

>>> Somebody has built something that looks to them like a luxury toilet.
>>> So
>>> their options are to make it unappealing in some way - either physical
>>> measures like covering it or changing the litter, or let it get dirty
>>> enough that it's no longer an attractive toilet.
>> Typical response from a cat person who fails to recognise that they
>> are sole reason for this type of problem. It is no longer acceptable to
>> have so many cats in a built up urban area
>
> "Acceptable" to whom?
>
> It's certainly alright with us at this address. The more cats in the
> area, the merrier.

> No cat ever woke me up by barking at 06:00.

No dog has ever done that to me.

>> and the law should be changed to reflect that cats are a problem, and
>> more so for the owners that make excuses for their failure to act in a
>> responsible social manner when it comes to cat shit.

> What would you describe as "a responsible social manner"?

Follow all cats 24/7

>> I'll bet you would be the first to complain if a dog owner let their
>> pet shit in your front garden.

> Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a
> lead on the highway or in any other public place.

Stupid approach IMO.

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 08:20:05 +1100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 21:17:28 +0000
> JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2024 05:31 pm, alan_m wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I'll bet you would be the first to complain if a dog owner let
>> > their pet shit in your front garden.
>>
>> Hereabouts, dogs do not have the right to roam and must be kept on a
>> lead on the highway or in any other public place.
>
> Back when I passed my test, dogs were one of the nine Notifiable
> Animals, a collision with one having to be reported to the police.

Fark, where was that ?

> Cats were not.

On 06/03/2024 21:17, JNugent wrote:

<snip>

> No cat ever woke me up by barking at 06:00.

Cats around here howl at each other at all times.

On 06/03/2024 23:18, Fredxx wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 21:17, JNugent wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> No cat ever woke me up by barking at 06:00.
>
> Cats around here howl at each other at all times.
>

With so many cats in urban areas and with so many overlapping, or the
same, territories it's common for cats in my local area to have very
vocal fights, usually in the early hours of the morning. And after they
have finished the winner will have a shit in my front garden flower beds :(

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On 06/03/2024 18:37, alan_m wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 18:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The solution that should have been adopted by those
>> who are obsessed about cat shit is to not have a front
>> yard that is a gigantic litter tray that all the neighbour
>> cats will choose to use.
>>
>
> Here in the uk if dogs shit anywhere they want and it is not cleaned up
> by their owners it is considered to be anti-social.
>
> Why is acceptable for cat owners not to be held to the same standards?

Simply because it is pretty well impossible to control a cat. You can
try and keep it in, but they will get out via a window or while someone
is going through a door and, unlike dogs, they are not in any way a
threat to people. That's why the law requires dogs to be kept on a lead
and cats are allowed to roam. If people are annoyed by a bit of cat shit
(which is normally buried and in the soil, unlike dog muck that is
deposited on pavements, on grass verges that people walk over and on
playing fields children play on), are they bothered by bird droppings
and that of other wild animals?