On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:52:48 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>In message <5b3de7e8a3charles@candehope.me.uk> at Thu, 7 Mar 2024
>13:30:03, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes
>[]
>>As I understand it, you simply need a "phone adaptor" plugged into a
>>network output of your router. Yes, you might get a new router with the
>>adaptor incorporated, but that's not essential.
>>
>For the _technical_ requirement, yes. You also need a VoIP _service_,
>which your broadband provider may or may not provide (PlusNet at present
>are not planning to).
>
>For another premises I know of where BT provide both anyway, I've seen a
>letter suggesting the transition will be fairly seamless - it's just a
>"something will happen, we'll tell you more nearer the time" letter at
>the moment, but I presume a new router (or adapter) will be required, as
>the existing router there doesn't have any unusual sockets on it.

Yes, that's what happens. I've helped to set up such a system for
somebody and there wasn't much to it, the only initial setting up
being to reconnect all wi-fi devices to the new code.

The new router, or "hub" as BT call it, does have a phone socket on
the back, which worked straight away with the existing phone, but it
can also function as a DECT base station with their own handsets, so
you can have one less box plugged into the mains. Two handsets were
provided with this setup, and they worked alongside the old plugged-in
phone, but even though both types of phone were BT ones, there didn't
seem to be a quick way of transferring the stored phone numbers from
the old to the new, so I just sat down with both phones and copied the
numbers across by typing them in. Then we unplugged the old phone.

Rod.

On 08/03/2024 09:14, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> The new router, or "hub" as BT call it, does have a phone socket on
> the back, which worked straight away with the existing phone, but it
> can also function as a DECT base station with their own handsets, so
> you can have one less box plugged into the mains.

I understood that BT will enable the sockets remotely when the
changeover comes.

I think remember that an earlier BT hub had a DECT base station
incorporated into it with a different telephone number using VOIP. I
think there was a charger base incorporated for one of the DECT handsets.

Not so sure about that. My apple is apparently like that, but the newer ones
are apparently easer to get into and change the batteries. I don't know
about other makes, Its true though that a battery for one model may not fit
another even from the same company. I also think Apple have stopped
including a special design that stops third party screens from working. Mind
you to crack that screen you are obviously in need of a military spec phone.
Its pretty tough even if you don't have a case. I always have had mine in a
case. Wy would you spend so much on a phone and make it so easy to
damage.I'd also like to see a wall wart packaged with usb items again, as
there are so many naff ones on sale it cannot be good for thee phone. often
you can hear the buzz from the phone when you connect a cheap one.
Brian

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> On 07/03/2024 12:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <l4tnfkF6r3tU1@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 7 Mar 2024
>> 11:41:40, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes
>
>>> The lithium batteries are usually permanently built in, with the cells
>>> custom designed to fit and welded in place. This means that when they
>>
>> Though I think the EC at least have legislated against that - isn't the
>> latest iPhone different to previous ones in that respect?
>>
> The EU repair rules mean that Apple now have to sell you the tools needed
> to replace the battery, rather than only letting their approved workshops
> have them. The battery itself is still glued inside the case using glue
> which can only be melted by a suitable heat source.
>
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.

There's so little you can do to fix a smartphone now, it's usually not
even possible to replace the battery, and they often contain so much
essential personal info you wouldn't want to let it out of your grasp
for someone else to fix it, so my policy for smartphones is roughly
this:-

1. Don't buy an Apple one.

2. Don't buy a stupidly expensive one, or one that's so cheap that
it's rubbish. Get a middle range one with a decent camera and mentally
divide the price by the number of years you expect to keep it.

3. Don't regard it as a phone with a camera included, but as a camera
with a phone included, and look after it as you would a camera.
Hopefully it will last long enough for the cost per year to be
reasonable even if it eventually becomes effectively useless. I still
have the first camera I was ever given, which is the one my father
saved up his pocket money to buy when he was a boy in the 1930s, and
I'm sure it would still work if I put film in it, but today's
technology is often as ephemeral as the software that drives it. Such
is life.

Rod.

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:29:17 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Not so sure about that. My apple is apparently like that, but the newer ones
>are apparently easer to get into and change the batteries. I don't know
>about other makes, Its true though that a battery for one model may not fit
>another even from the same company. I also think Apple have stopped
>including a special design that stops third party screens from working. Mind
>you to crack that screen you are obviously in need of a military spec phone.
>Its pretty tough even if you don't have a case. I always have had mine in a
>case. Wy would you spend so much on a phone and make it so easy to
>damage.I'd also like to see a wall wart packaged with usb items again, as
>there are so many naff ones on sale it cannot be good for thee phone. often
>you can hear the buzz from the phone when you connect a cheap one.
> Brian

In message <72llui5o5f7g3ik7kthsce0qtrcj5ah7o6@4ax.com> at Fri, 8 Mar
2024 09:14:32, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
>On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:52:48 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>wrote:
[]
>>For another premises I know of where BT provide both anyway, I've seen a
>>letter suggesting the transition will be fairly seamless - it's just a
>>"something will happen, we'll tell you more nearer the time" letter at
>>the moment, but I presume a new router (or adapter) will be required, as
>>the existing router there doesn't have any unusual sockets on it.
>
>Yes, that's what happens. I've helped to set up such a system for
>somebody and there wasn't much to it, the only initial setting up
>being to reconnect all wi-fi devices to the new code.

These days, where households have several wifi-connected devices, it
surprises me that people do that, rather than changing the one new
router to the old wifi ID and key. (Also, can use a personalised wifi
ID.) [I've yet to encounter a router where you can't change those.]
>
>The new router, or "hub" as BT call it, does have a phone socket on

Probably a better name, though still not completely ... when discussing
with US people, I always have to explain that we in UK _mostly_ just
have one device, that serves the function of MoDem, router, switch, and
wifi base station. And we (because our industry does) call this combined
box a router.

>the back, which worked straight away with the existing phone, but it
>can also function as a DECT base station with their own handsets, so
>you can have one less box plugged into the mains. Two handsets were

The BT "router" at the BT household I know _doesn't_ have any different
sockets, so will presumably need replacing.

>provided with this setup, and they worked alongside the old plugged-in
>phone, but even though both types of phone were BT ones, there didn't
>seem to be a quick way of transferring the stored phone numbers from
>the old to the new, so I just sat down with both phones and copied the
>numbers across by typing them in. Then we unplugged the old phone.

Presumably under VoIP, there'll probably be the option to store your
numbers remotely, and/or in the "router". (Yes, with all the security
concerns that involves, but I expect most people will accept those for
the convenience.)
>
>Rod.
John
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In message <eg1mui90qm92pf45sk3b1l3v97esipo8ob@4ax.com> at Fri, 8 Mar
2024 12:37:31, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
>There's so little you can do to fix a smartphone now, it's usually not
>even possible to replace the battery, and they often contain so much

That's what we've been discussing - a recent EC directive has forced
them (even Apple) to make the cell replaceable by other than the
manufacturer. (Of course, I'm sure they all use different shapes and
sizes, but at least you _can_ in theory replace it.)

>essential personal info you wouldn't want to let it out of your grasp
>for someone else to fix it, so my policy for smartphones is roughly
>this:-
>
>1. Don't buy an Apple one.

Mine too, but mainly on expense and walled-garden grounds, assuming the
EC directive works.
>
>2. Don't buy a stupidly expensive one, or one that's so cheap that
>it's rubbish. Get a middle range one with a decent camera and mentally
>divide the price by the number of years you expect to keep it.

What would you say _is_ the life of a (new) smartphone? Last time I paid
much attention (I only have a dumbphone at the moment), I got the
impression it was 3 years or less, which I resent. Seems (for Android
'phones) you're at the mercy of the manufacturer whether they upgrade
the Android version, and for how long. Of course, non-upgraded ones
don't stop working, but new "app"s won't work with older Androids -
anything more than 12-18 months was the impression I got last time I
paid any attention; is that still so, or have things got more sensible?
(Or less?)
>
>3. Don't regard it as a phone with a camera included, but as a camera
>with a phone included, and look after it as you would a camera.
>Hopefully it will last long enough for the cost per year to be
>reasonable even if it eventually becomes effectively useless. I still

I use a separate camera. Last time I had a 'phone with a camera in, it -
although it had ridiculously more pixels than my separate camera - was
significantly inferior; especially for photographing flowers.

>have the first camera I was ever given, which is the one my father
>saved up his pocket money to buy when he was a boy in the 1930s, and
>I'm sure it would still work if I put film in it, but today's
>technology is often as ephemeral as the software that drives it. Such
>is life.

My old standard 8 Bell and Howell (similar or same model to Mr.
Zapruder's) would I'm sure still work; when I was showing it to someone
a few years ago I moved the "take" lever, and was startled when it made
a whirring noise - it must have been decades since I'd wound it.
>
>Rod.
>
>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:29:17 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Not so sure about that. My apple is apparently like that, but the newer ones
>>are apparently easer to get into and change the batteries. I don't know
>>about other makes, Its true though that a battery for one model may not fit
>>another even from the same company. I also think Apple have stopped

But at least in theory you _can_ change it without having to take it to
an Apple store.
[]
>>damage.I'd also like to see a wall wart packaged with usb items again, as

Agreed.

>>there are so many naff ones on sale it cannot be good for thee phone. often
>>you can hear the buzz from the phone when you connect a cheap one.
>> Brian

I wonder how long before most mains sockets have then built in (and how
good/bad those are, and how easy to replace if they fail).

I remember a suggestion - a decade or two ago? - that new-build houses
would come wired with mains AC and a lower voltage DC; I think at that
time 12V was the suggested level (I remember my school physics labs had
that). I guess 5V via USB A sockets is the modern equivalent.
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On 08/03/2024 13:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> Probably a better name, though still not completely ... when discussing
> with US people, I always have to explain that we in UK _mostly_ just
> have one device, that serves the function of MoDem, router, switch, and
> wifi base station. And we (because our industry does) call this combined
> box a router.
>
Not to be confused with a router, which is a tool for mangling wood.

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John.

In article <l50mj6FkpbuU1@mid.individual.net>,
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 08/03/2024 13:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> > Probably a better name, though still not completely ... when discussing
> > with US people, I always have to explain that we in UK _mostly_ just
> > have one device, that serves the function of MoDem, router, switch, and
> > wifi base station. And we (because our industry does) call this combined
> > box a router.
> >
> Not to be confused with a router, which is a tool for mangling wood.

which might be why in the US the computer type is pronounced a "ROWTER"

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In message <5b3e757df1charles@candehope.me.uk> at Fri, 8 Mar 2024
15:08:03, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes
>In article <l50mj6FkpbuU1@mid.individual.net>,
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 08/03/2024 13:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> > Probably a better name, though still not completely ... when discussing
>> > with US people, I always have to explain that we in UK _mostly_ just
>> > have one device, that serves the function of MoDem, router, switch, and
>> > wifi base station. And we (because our industry does) call this combined
>> > box a router.
>> >
>> Not to be confused with a router, which is a tool for mangling wood.
>
>which might be why in the US the computer type is pronounced a "ROWTER"
>
Oh. That's how I pronounce the woodworking one. Do they pronounce route
- a line on a map - the way I pronounce rout (a significant defeat)?
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In message <l50mj6FkpbuU1@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 8 Mar 2024
14:44:54, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes
>On 08/03/2024 13:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Probably a better name, though still not completely ... when discussing
>> with US people, I always have to explain that we in UK _mostly_ just
>> have one device, that serves the function of MoDem, router, switch, and
>> wifi base station. And we (because our industry does) call this combined
>> box a router.
>>
>Not to be confused with a router, which is a tool for mangling wood.
>
Indeed (though pronounced differently - ours is roota, the woodworking
one is row-ta [row as in argument, not rowboat]).
>
Another woodworking thing is a profiling tool - despite what some
software writers think; when I hear someone (such as a politician) has
been profiled, I may be pleased, depending on whether I like them or
not.
>
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The average age of a single mum in this country is 37
- Jane Rackham, RT 2016/5/28-6/3

Well, My apple XR is now quite old and I'm told that the next update of ios
is the last one. So 7 years seems not to be too bad and its still on the old
battery. OK it was one of the cheapest Iphones and it only had an lcd
screen, but having turned it off its exactly the same to a blind person as
one with a better display. Androids are not supported as long as this.
Admittedly you have no lidar and the new wide range location chip, but it
does not get hot and can be left locked for a couple of days without a
recharge. Most of the problem with battery life seems to be to do with apps
and processes that do not need to run, but the makers make the default
always on, like Tile and gps for example You don't need these running when
all the phone is doing is getting emails and texts from your carrier.
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> In message <eg1mui90qm92pf45sk3b1l3v97esipo8ob@4ax.com> at Fri, 8 Mar 2024
> 12:37:31, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
>>There's so little you can do to fix a smartphone now, it's usually not
>>even possible to replace the battery, and they often contain so much
>
> That's what we've been discussing - a recent EC directive has forced them
> (even Apple) to make the cell replaceable by other than the manufacturer.
> (Of course, I'm sure they all use different shapes and sizes, but at least
> you _can_ in theory replace it.)
>
>>essential personal info you wouldn't want to let it out of your grasp
>>for someone else to fix it, so my policy for smartphones is roughly
>>this:-
>>
>>1. Don't buy an Apple one.
>
> Mine too, but mainly on expense and walled-garden grounds, assuming the EC
> directive works.
>>
>>2. Don't buy a stupidly expensive one, or one that's so cheap that
>>it's rubbish. Get a middle range one with a decent camera and mentally
>>divide the price by the number of years you expect to keep it.
>
> What would you say _is_ the life of a (new) smartphone? Last time I paid
> much attention (I only have a dumbphone at the moment), I got the
> impression it was 3 years or less, which I resent. Seems (for Android
> 'phones) you're at the mercy of the manufacturer whether they upgrade the
> Android version, and for how long. Of course, non-upgraded ones don't stop
> working, but new "app"s won't work with older Androids - anything more
> than 12-18 months was the impression I got last time I paid any attention;
> is that still so, or have things got more sensible? (Or less?)
>>
>>3. Don't regard it as a phone with a camera included, but as a camera
>>with a phone included, and look after it as you would a camera.
>>Hopefully it will last long enough for the cost per year to be
>>reasonable even if it eventually becomes effectively useless. I still
>
> I use a separate camera. Last time I had a 'phone with a camera in, it -
> although it had ridiculously more pixels than my separate camera - was
> significantly inferior; especially for photographing flowers.
>
>>have the first camera I was ever given, which is the one my father
>>saved up his pocket money to buy when he was a boy in the 1930s, and
>>I'm sure it would still work if I put film in it, but today's
>>technology is often as ephemeral as the software that drives it. Such
>>is life.
>
> My old standard 8 Bell and Howell (similar or same model to Mr.
> Zapruder's) would I'm sure still work; when I was showing it to someone a
> few years ago I moved the "take" lever, and was startled when it made a
> whirring noise - it must have been decades since I'd wound it.
>>
>>Rod.
>>
>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:29:17 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Not so sure about that. My apple is apparently like that, but the newer
>>>ones
>>>are apparently easer to get into and change the batteries. I don't know
>>>about other makes, Its true though that a battery for one model may not
>>>fit
>>>another even from the same company. I also think Apple have stopped
>
> But at least in theory you _can_ change it without having to take it to an
> Apple store.
> []
>>>damage.I'd also like to see a wall wart packaged with usb items again, as
>
> Agreed.
>
>>>there are so many naff ones on sale it cannot be good for thee phone.
>>>often
>>>you can hear the buzz from the phone when you connect a cheap one.
>>> Brian
>
> I wonder how long before most mains sockets have then built in (and how
> good/bad those are, and how easy to replace if they fail).
>
> I remember a suggestion - a decade or two ago? - that new-build houses
> would come wired with mains AC and a lower voltage DC; I think at that
> time 12V was the suggested level (I remember my school physics labs had
> that). I guess 5V via USB A sockets is the modern equivalent.
> --
> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>
> The first banjo solo I played was actually just a series of mistakes. In
> fact
> it was all the mistakes I knew at the time. - Tim Dowling, RT2015/6/20-26

I think the tile app has started to be used to locate your tiles using other
peoples phones as it talks about the tile network, so this is probably to
compete with Apple tags that do the same. However it does seem to be power
hungry if you allow it all the time. I've also found that cash point finder
tends to use location services when its on and googles apps as well.
Brian

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> Well, My apple XR is now quite old and I'm told that the next update of
> ios is the last one. So 7 years seems not to be too bad and its still on
> the old battery. OK it was one of the cheapest Iphones and it only had an
> lcd screen, but having turned it off its exactly the same to a blind
> person as one with a better display. Androids are not supported as long
> as this. Admittedly you have no lidar and the new wide range location
> chip, but it does not get hot and can be left locked for a couple of days
> without a recharge. Most of the problem with battery life seems to be to
> do with apps and processes that do not need to run, but the makers make
> the default always on, like Tile and gps for example You don't need these
> running when all the phone is doing is getting emails and texts from your
> carrier.
> Brian
>
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>> In message <eg1mui90qm92pf45sk3b1l3v97esipo8ob@4ax.com> at Fri, 8 Mar
>> 2024 12:37:31, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
>>>There's so little you can do to fix a smartphone now, it's usually not
>>>even possible to replace the battery, and they often contain so much
>>
>> That's what we've been discussing - a recent EC directive has forced them
>> (even Apple) to make the cell replaceable by other than the manufacturer.
>> (Of course, I'm sure they all use different shapes and sizes, but at
>> least you _can_ in theory replace it.)
>>
>>>essential personal info you wouldn't want to let it out of your grasp
>>>for someone else to fix it, so my policy for smartphones is roughly
>>>this:-
>>>
>>>1. Don't buy an Apple one.
>>
>> Mine too, but mainly on expense and walled-garden grounds, assuming the
>> EC directive works.
>>>
>>>2. Don't buy a stupidly expensive one, or one that's so cheap that
>>>it's rubbish. Get a middle range one with a decent camera and mentally
>>>divide the price by the number of years you expect to keep it.
>>
>> What would you say _is_ the life of a (new) smartphone? Last time I paid
>> much attention (I only have a dumbphone at the moment), I got the
>> impression it was 3 years or less, which I resent. Seems (for Android
>> 'phones) you're at the mercy of the manufacturer whether they upgrade the
>> Android version, and for how long. Of course, non-upgraded ones don't
>> stop working, but new "app"s won't work with older Androids - anything
>> more than 12-18 months was the impression I got last time I paid any
>> attention; is that still so, or have things got more sensible? (Or less?)
>>>
>>>3. Don't regard it as a phone with a camera included, but as a camera
>>>with a phone included, and look after it as you would a camera.
>>>Hopefully it will last long enough for the cost per year to be
>>>reasonable even if it eventually becomes effectively useless. I still
>>
>> I use a separate camera. Last time I had a 'phone with a camera in, it -
>> although it had ridiculously more pixels than my separate camera - was
>> significantly inferior; especially for photographing flowers.
>>
>>>have the first camera I was ever given, which is the one my father
>>>saved up his pocket money to buy when he was a boy in the 1930s, and
>>>I'm sure it would still work if I put film in it, but today's
>>>technology is often as ephemeral as the software that drives it. Such
>>>is life.
>>
>> My old standard 8 Bell and Howell (similar or same model to Mr.
>> Zapruder's) would I'm sure still work; when I was showing it to someone a
>> few years ago I moved the "take" lever, and was startled when it made a
>> whirring noise - it must have been decades since I'd wound it.
>>>
>>>Rod.
>>>
>>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:29:17 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not so sure about that. My apple is apparently like that, but the newer
>>>>ones
>>>>are apparently easer to get into and change the batteries. I don't know
>>>>about other makes, Its true though that a battery for one model may not
>>>>fit
>>>>another even from the same company. I also think Apple have stopped
>>
>> But at least in theory you _can_ change it without having to take it to
>> an Apple store.
>> []
>>>>damage.I'd also like to see a wall wart packaged with usb items again,
>>>>as
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>>>there are so many naff ones on sale it cannot be good for thee phone.
>>>>often
>>>>you can hear the buzz from the phone when you connect a cheap one.
>>>> Brian
>>
>> I wonder how long before most mains sockets have then built in (and how
>> good/bad those are, and how easy to replace if they fail).
>>
>> I remember a suggestion - a decade or two ago? - that new-build houses
>> would come wired with mains AC and a lower voltage DC; I think at that
>> time 12V was the suggested level (I remember my school physics labs had
>> that). I guess 5V via USB A sockets is the modern equivalent.
>> --
>> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>>
>> The first banjo solo I played was actually just a series of mistakes. In
>> fact
>> it was all the mistakes I knew at the time. - Tim Dowling, RT2015/6/20-26
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