On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 20:02:14 +1000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 19:39:56 +1000
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 17:57:51 +1000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 06:49:21 +1000
>> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:31 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> >> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 06/04/2024 20:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> There's a further get-out for him, though. If his lawyers can
>> >> >> convince the Court that he is unfit for trial due to poor health
>> >> >> (mental or physical or both) then that can also be a bar to
>> >> >> extradition. This could drag on and on....
>> >> >
>> >> > I am fairly sure they have already tried that and failed.
>> >>
>> >> It remains to be seen if they have failed.
>> >
>> > Hey, the man who is fit to be President of the USA has been found
>> > unfit to stand trial...
>>
>> Bullshit

> A court's decision.

Nope.

> Semantically equivalent in many cases.

Nope.

Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote

>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a sentence
>>>>> for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid disrupting
>>>>> the justice system,

>>>> That bit is bullshit.

>>> They are easily checked facts.

>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.

> Does this mean you accept that the courts are requesting from the UShe
> can rely on the First Amendment and that it's not bullshit after all?

That is not discussing that question.

No operation in the USA gets any say on whether that
constitutional amendment applys to foreigners.

On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 22:47:12 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>
>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>
>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty in
>>> adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.

>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.

> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.

It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a lot
>>> of cases.

>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.

> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.

It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>
>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>
>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty in
>>> adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.

>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.

> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.

Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's

> They also try 90% of cases and during Covid they were struggling to cope.

Irrelevant to Assange's extradition.

> That wasn't helped by an increasing number of arrests, following a drive
> to recruit more police.

Ditto.

>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a lot
>>> of cases.
>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>
>>>>>>> then it took a year to agree to extradition and his lawyers have
>>>>>>> spent another two years appealing that.
>>>>
>>>>>> Still means it has taken FAR too long to decided whether
>>>>>> he will be extradited....
>>>>
>>>>> The decision was made in 2021. He could have been out of the country
>>>>> within 28 days of that, had there not been any appeals.
>>>> Of course there were appeals when he did no crime in the USA.

On 07/04/2024 18:57, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 22:47:12 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>
>>>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>
>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty
>>>> in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.
>
>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>
>> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.
>
> It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/2021-01-13-State-of-nation.pdf

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/CJ-Covid-19-recovery-progress-report-web-2022.pdf

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld5801/ldselect/ldconst/257/25706.htm

>
>>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a
>>>> lot of cases.
>
>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>
>> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.
>
> It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

--
Colin Bignell

On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>
>>>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>
>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty
>>>> in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.
>
>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>
>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>
> Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's

ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court. In his case,
Westminster Magistrate's Court. There is no way to bypass that first step.

>
>> They also try 90% of cases and during Covid they were struggling to cope.
>
> Irrelevant to Assange's extradition.

Not irrelevant to the time taken to bring his case to the Court.

>
>> That wasn't helped by an increasing number of arrests, following a
>> drive to recruit more police.
>
> Ditto.
>
>>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a
>>>> lot of cases.
>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>
>>>>>>>> then it took a year to agree to extradition and his lawyers have
>>>>>>>> spent another two years appealing that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Still means it has taken FAR too long to decided whether
>>>>>>> he will be extradited....
>>>>>
>>>>>> The decision was made in 2021. He could have been out of the
>>>>>> country within 28 days of that, had there not been any appeals.
>>>>>  Of course there were appeals when he did no crime in the USA.

--
Colin Bignell

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:55:52 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 18:57, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 22:47:12 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>
>>>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty
>>>>> in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.
>>
>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>
>>> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.

>> It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

> https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/2021-01-13-State-of-nation.pdf

Irrelevant to why that year happened.

> https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/cjji/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/CJ-Covid-19-recovery-progress-report-web-2022.pdf

Irrelevant to why that year happened.

> https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld5801/ldselect/ldconst/257/25706.htm

Irrelevant to why that year happened.

>>>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a
>>>>> lot of cases.
>>
>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>
>>> As already explained, it cause a year's delay in proceedings.
>> It wasnt EXPLAINED, it was actually CLAIMED, in error.

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>
>>>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest difficulty
>>>>> in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of Covid.
>>
>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>
>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.

>> Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's

> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.

But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
a very high profile extradition like Assange's
and is irrelevant to the effect of covid.

> In his case, Westminster Magistrate's Court.There is no way to bypass
> that first step.

Only you said anything about bypass.

>>> They also try 90% of cases and during Covid they were struggling to
>>> cope.

>> Irrelevant to Assange's extradition.

> Not irrelevant to the time taken to bring his case to the Court.

Wrong given that in his case its just a rubber stamp exercise.

>>> That wasn't helped by an increasing number of arrests, following a
>>> drive to recruit more police.

>> Ditto.

>>>>> They didn't shut down, but big backlogs built up, which delayed a
>>>>> lot of cases.
>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then it took a year to agree to extradition and his lawyers have
>>>>>>>>> spent another two years appealing that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still means it has taken FAR too long to decided whether
>>>>>>>> he will be extradited....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The decision was made in 2021. He could have been out of the
>>>>>>> country within 28 days of that, had there not been any appeals.
>>>>>> Of course there were appeals when he did no crime in the USA.

On 07/04/2024 18:56, Rod Speed wrote:
> Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>
>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>
>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>
>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>
>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>
>> Does this mean you accept that the courts are requesting from the UShe
>> can rely on the First Amendment and that it's not bullshit after all?
>
> That is not discussing that question.

Everyone else was. You're the odd one out.

On 7 Apr 2024 at 21:40:56 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 18:56, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>
>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>
>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>
>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>
>>> Does this mean you accept that the courts are requesting from the UShe
>>> can rely on the First Amendment and that it's not bullshit after all?
>>
>> That is not discussing that question.
>
> Everyone else was. You're the odd one out.

The one thing you can rely on Woddles for is to talk cock.

--
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Roger Scruton

On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest
>>>>>> difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of
>>>>>> Covid.
>>>
>>>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>
>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>
>>>  Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's
>
>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.
>
> But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...

The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial decision
was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp exercise.

--
Colin Bignell

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 06:40:56 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 18:56, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to Covid
>>>>>>> disrupting the justice system,
>>
>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>
>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>
>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>
>>> Does this mean you accept that the courts are requesting from the UShe
>>> can rely on the First Amendment and that it's not bullshit after all?

>> That is not discussing that question.

> Everyone else was.

More bullshit

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:19:41 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes the
>>>>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest
>>>>>>> difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of
>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>
>>>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>
>>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>>
>>>> Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's
>>
>>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.

>> But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
>> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...

> The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial decision
> was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp exercise.

That wasnt a magistrate

On 08/04/2024 00:06, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:19:41 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes
>>>>>>>> the Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest
>>>>>>>> difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of
>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>>>
>>>>>  Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's
>>>
>>>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.
>
>>>  But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
>>> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...
>
>> The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial
>> decision was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp exercise.
>
> That wasnt a magistrate

Westminster Magistrate's Court made that decision. It was appealed by
the US lawyers and the High Court ordered the WMC to reverse the
decision. This was all in a link I provided in a previous post.

--
Colin Bignell

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 18:57:15 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 08/04/2024 00:06, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:19:41 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a
>>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on the
>>>>>>>>> Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which includes
>>>>>>>>> the Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the greatest
>>>>>>>>> difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the demands of
>>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>>>>
>>>>>> Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's
>>>>
>>>>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.
>>
>>>> But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
>>>> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...
>>
>>> The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial
>>> decision was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp exercise.

>> That wasnt a magistrate

> Westminster Magistrate's Court made that decision.

Bullshit.

> It was appealed by the US lawyers

You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury

> and the High Court ordered the WMC to reverse the decision.

You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury

> This was all in a link I provided in a previous post.

You are misrepresenting what it said.

On 08/04/2024 10:12, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 18:57:15 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08/04/2024 00:06, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:19:41 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a
>>>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on
>>>>>>>>>> the Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which
>>>>>>>>>> includes the Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the
>>>>>>>>>> greatest difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the
>>>>>>>>>> demands of Covid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like Assange's
>>>>>
>>>>>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.
>>>
>>>>>  But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
>>>>> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...
>>>
>>>> The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial
>>>> decision was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp exercise.
>
>>>  That wasnt a magistrate
>
>> Westminster Magistrate's Court made that decision.
>
> Bullshit.

As it states here, the Westminster Magistrates' Court made that ruing in
January 2021:

https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/the-high-court-rules-on-assange-extradition/

>
>> It was appealed by  the US lawyers
>
> You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury

I have found three US Grand Jury indictments against him:

6 March 2018 the initial charge of conspiracy to commit unlawful
computer intrusion
23 May 2019 An addition 18 allegations of offences relating to national
defence information
24 June 2020 A widening of the scope of the conspiracy in regards to the
18 offences previously raised.

Perhaps you would like to explain in what way your believe I am ignoring
the second, as all were raised before the extradition request was
considered.

This is, of course, rhetorical, as I don't actually expect you to
support your assertions with any form of evidence.

>
>> and the High Court ordered the WMC to reverse the  decision.
>
> You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury
>
>> This was all in a link I provided in a previous post.
>
> You are misrepresenting what it said.

--
Colin Bignell

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 21:38:42 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 08/04/2024 10:12, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 18:57:15 +1000, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/04/2024 00:06, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:19:41 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/04/2024 21:11, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:56:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 19:00, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:33:10 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 07/04/2024 10:42, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 18:22:07 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 23:18, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 07:26:14 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/04/2024 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 05:45:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I detailed in another post, he spent one year serving a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence for breaking bail, a second year was lost due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid disrupting the justice system,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That bit is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are easily checked facts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The courts that decide that stuff were not shut down for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution Committee report on the effect of Covid on
>>>>>>>>>>> the Justice system concluded that the lower Courts (which
>>>>>>>>>>> includes the Westminster Magistrate's Court) experienced the
>>>>>>>>>>> greatest difficulty in adapting to new procedures to meet the
>>>>>>>>>>> demands of Covid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That isnt what decided whether Assange got to be extradited.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Extradition is first considered at a Magistrate's Court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only in theory with a very high profile extradition like
>>>>>>>> Assange's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALL cases start with a hearing in a Magistrate's Court.
>>>>
>>>>>> But that is just a rubber stamp exercise with
>>>>>> a very high profile extradition like Assange's ...
>>>>
>>>>> The Court still needs to hear all the evidence and the initial
>>>>> decision was to refuse extradition, so hardly a rubber-stamp
>>>>> exercise.
>>
>>>> That wasnt a magistrate
>>
>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court made that decision.
>> Bullshit.
>
> As it states here, the Westminster Magistrates' Court made that ruing in
> January 2021:

Just a rubber stamp, as I said.

> https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/the-high-court-rules-on-assange-extradition/

>>> It was appealed by the US lawyers

>> You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury

> I have found three US Grand Jury indictments against him:

And you previously ignored ALL of them when you stupidly claimed
that the bulk of the 5 year delay was due to Assage's activity.

> 6 March 2018 the initial charge of conspiracyto commit unlawful
> computer intrusion

Which does not involve the death penalty.

Pity it was not done in the USA even if it can be proven that
Assange actually did that so the USA has no jurisdiction.

> 23 May 2019 An addition 18 allegations of offences relating to national
> defence information

And that one was the main cause of the post covid
delay because those involved the death penalty.

> 24 June 2020 A widening of the scope of the conspiracyin regards to the
> 18 offences previously raised.

Which still doesnt involve any US jurisdiction even
if it can be proven that Assage actually did anything
more than expose the information that Manning stole.

> Perhaps you would like to explain in what way your believe I am ignoring
> the second, as all were raised before the extradition request was
> considered.

But you didnt even mention it when claiming that the bulk
of the 5 year delay was entirely due to Assange's activity.

> This is, of course, rhetorical, as I don't actually expect you to
> support your assertions with any form of evidence.

We all swooned at the evidence you presented
to support your claim that the bulk of the 5 year
delay was entirely due to Assange's activity.

>>> and the High Court ordered the WMC to reverse the decision.
>> You are ignoring the second US Grand Jury
>>
>>> This was all in a link I provided in a previous post.
>> You are misrepresenting what it said.