If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.

However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)

How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.

(1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.

(2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>
> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)
>
> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>
> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>
> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>
>

That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’ name
and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 02/08/2023 15:29, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>
>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)
>>
>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>
>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>>
>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>
>>
>
> That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’ name
> and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!
>

And as for their Shepherd's pie...

--
Cheers
Clive

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:49:57 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote:

> On 02/08/2023 15:29, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>>
>>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>>> water.)
>>>
>>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>>
>>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're
>>> wondering.
>>>
>>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’
>> name and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!
>>
>>
> And as for their Shepherd's pie...

At least it's tastier than the cottage pie.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

On 02/08/2023 16:53, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:49:57 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote:
>
>> On 02/08/2023 15:29, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>>>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>>>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>>>
>>>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>>>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>>>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>>>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>>>> water.)
>>>>
>>>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>>>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're
>>>> wondering.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’
>>> name and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!
>>>
>>>
>> And as for their Shepherd's pie...
>
> At least it's tastier than the cottage pie.
>
In France they have wattle and daube without the wattle.

In message <kiv74iFsromU2@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023
15:22:09, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>
>However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>water.)
>
>How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
[]
Yes, this irritates me too - to the extent that when I found some
(Morrison's) "Pineapple and Coconut drink" contained only 15% and 5%
respectively, I communicated with the relevant authorities (finding out
_which_ is relevant is hard work), and they replied, saying there may
indeed be a case to answer. (I must chase them.) Once that's dealt with,
my next one is (one of Lidl's many own brands) "Tropical Juice", which
at 77% apple, I think is again misleading at least.

I actually find both drinks very nice (as you did with your paste*), and
will probably continue to buy them: I just don't think the companies
should be allowed to continue to mislabel.

* The circumflex accent in French usually indicates that an s has been
removed - pâte _is_ paste. (Their word for a window - fenêtre - is from
the Latin fenestra, which remains in English in defenestration.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

This was before we knew that a laboratory rat, if experimented upon, will
develop cancer. [Quoted by] Anne (annezo@aol.com), 1997-1-29

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:22:14 PM UTC+1, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>
> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)
>
> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>
> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>
> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>
>
It's better than Brussels Pâte: that doesn't seem to contain any trace of sprouts whatsoever.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.com

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <kiv74iFsromU2@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023
> 15:22:09, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>
>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>> water.)
>>
>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
> []
> Yes, this irritates me too - to the extent that when I found some
> (Morrison's) "Pineapple and Coconut drink" contained only 15% and 5%
> respectively, I communicated with the relevant authorities (finding out
> _which_ is relevant is hard work), and they replied, saying there may
> indeed be a case to answer. (I must chase them.) Once that's dealt with,
> my next one is (one of Lidl's many own brands) "Tropical Juice", which
> at 77% apple, I think is again misleading at least.
>
> I actually find both drinks very nice (as you did with your paste*), and
> will probably continue to buy them: I just don't think the companies
> should be allowed to continue to mislabel.
>
> * The circumflex accent in French usually indicates that an s has been
> removed - pâte _is_ paste. (Their word for a window - fenêtre - is from
> the Latin fenestra, which remains in English in defenestration.)

I’m allergic to apple and I might have decided to have a drink without
checking labels except that I read everything because there seems no rhyme
or reason why a weird ingredient should be included. Powdered onion or
soya go in all sorts of things as an “enhancer”.

Mrs McT

Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:22:14 PM UTC+1, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>
>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)
>>
>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>
>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>>
>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>
>>
> It's better than Brussels Pâte: that doesn't seem to contain any trace of
> sprouts whatsoever.
>
> Nick
> nickodell49@yahoo.com
>

Any Poirot, err… I mean parrot content?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 02-Aug-23 16:49, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 02/08/2023 15:29, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does.  Likewise, Mandarin
>>> Orange Segments  or Raspberry Jam.
>>>
>>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>>> Onions" (1) on toast.  On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>>> water.)
>>>
>>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate?  And I'd say "with
>>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>>
>>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're
>>> wondering.
>>>
>>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’
>> name
>> and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!
>>
>
> And as for their Shepherd's pie...

Made with the assistance of a crook?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:29:34 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> scrawled in the dust...

>Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does. Likewise, Mandarin
>> Orange Segments or Raspberry Jam.
>>
>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>> Onions" (1) on toast. On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and water.)
>>
>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate? And I'd say "with
>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>
>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>>
>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>
>>
>
>That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’ name
>and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!

I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
"But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
"That's just the name of the shop, love."
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 13:30:57 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com>
scrawled in the dust...

>It's better than Brussels Pâte: that doesn't seem to contain any trace of sprouts whatsoever.

Tee hee!
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <uaeet1$9dmo$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:38:57,
Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes
>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>> Yes, this irritates me too - to the extent that when I found some
>> (Morrison's) "Pineapple and Coconut drink" contained only 15% and 5%
>> respectively, I communicated with the relevant authorities (finding out
>> _which_ is relevant is hard work), and they replied, saying there may
>> indeed be a case to answer. (I must chase them.) Once that's dealt with,
>> my next one is (one of Lidl's many own brands) "Tropical Juice", which
>> at 77% apple, I think is again misleading at least.
[]
>I’m allergic to apple and I might have decided to have a drink without
>checking labels except that I read everything because there seems no rhyme
>or reason why a weird ingredient should be included. Powdered onion or
>soya go in all sorts of things as an “enhancer”.
[]
I'd not heard of apple allergy before: I'll mention it (not you) in
future communications. (The "Pineapple and Coconut" drink was also more
apple than anything else.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it.

On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:

<snip>

> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
> "That's just the name of the shop, love."

Bonzos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrU3kROXww

....at about 2:35

--
Cheers
Clive

In message <uaen19$ae5a$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:57:42,
Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
>> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
>> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
>> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
>> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
>> "That's just the name of the shop, love."
>
>Bonzos...
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrU3kROXww
>
>...at about 2:35
>
(-:

I know that's just comedy, but I've long thought there needs to be
legislation against misleading company names: I was thinking mainly of
names that include something giving a bogus implication of authority,
such as "board", "council", and so on, but "59 minute cleaners" would
ideally be caught too. (Could perhaps be combined with misleading
product name legislation, as discussed in another post, though I _think_
that may already be covered, and we're just raising things that infringe
it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

" ... but ... on the sub-ether radio, [it said] you're dead!"
"Yeah, that's right, I just haven't stopped moving yet." (link episode)

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:17:50 AM UTC+1, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <uaen19$ae5a$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:57:42,
> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
> >On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
> >> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
> >> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
> >> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
> >> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
> >> "That's just the name of the shop, love."
> >
> >Bonzos...
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrU3kROXww
> >
> >...at about 2:35
> >
> (-:
>
> I know that's just comedy, but I've long thought there needs to be
> legislation against misleading company names: I was thinking mainly of
> names that include something giving a bogus implication of authority,
> such as "board", "council", and so on, but "59 minute cleaners" would
> ideally be caught too. (Could perhaps be combined with misleading
> product name legislation, as discussed in another post, though I _think_
> that may already be covered, and we're just raising things that infringe
> it.)
I think a lot of what you want already exists in legislation but is poorly enforced. It would be good if people who are intent on fraud and deceit were clamped down upon more vigorously but it would be a shame if literalism were enforced too far and imagination were stifled.

What would hairdressers do if they couldn't call their shopfronts, "Scissors" "A Cut Above" or "Headlines"? There's a café in Huddersfield simply called "Lost Property" - it's near the Railway Station. And talking of railway stations, should Huddersfield Railway Station be allowed to call itself that when, for months at a time during what is a major rail upgrade, no trains are running through it or stopping there?

Inspired by the Bonzos, the working title for my retail premises in rural Norfolk moved between "John's Coffee Bar" and "Jacquie's Café and Take-away" although because of anticipated sense-of-humour failure in the tiny remote community where I set up (and actual sense-of-humour failure of WNDC) I didn't call it either of those things. I didn't even call it The Music Workshop (WNDC again).

"The Music Workshop? Nah, that's just the name of the building, luv."

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 02-Aug-23 16:49, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 02/08/2023 15:29, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
>>>> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does.  Likewise, Mandarin
>>>> Orange Segments  or Raspberry Jam.
>>>>
>>>> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
>>>> Onions" (1) on toast.  On reading the list of ingredients I find that
>>>> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
>>>> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
>>>> water.)
>>>>
>>>> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate?  And I'd say "with
>>>> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're
>>>> wondering.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That’ll be ‘Chumley artistic licence’ no doubt, give anything a ‘posh’
>>> name
>>> and you can do just about anything you damn well like with it!
>>>
>>
>> And as for their Shepherd's pie...
>
> Made with the assistance of a crook?
>

Ullo, Ullo, Allo! What’s going on ‘ere then?!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 03/08/2023 08:20, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:17:50 AM UTC+1, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uaen19$ae5a$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:57:42,
>> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>>> On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
>>>> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
>>>> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
>>>> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
>>>> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
>>>> "That's just the name of the shop, love."
>>>
>>> Bonzos...
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrU3kROXww
>>>
>>> ...at about 2:35
>>>
>> (-:
>>
>> I know that's just comedy, but I've long thought there needs to be
>> legislation against misleading company names: I was thinking mainly of
>> names that include something giving a bogus implication of authority,
>> such as "board", "council", and so on, but "59 minute cleaners" would
>> ideally be caught too. (Could perhaps be combined with misleading
>> product name legislation, as discussed in another post, though I _think_
>> that may already be covered, and we're just raising things that infringe
>> it.)
> I think a lot of what you want already exists in legislation but is poorly enforced. It would be good if people who are intent on fraud and deceit were clamped down upon more vigorously but it would be a shame if literalism were enforced too far and imagination were stifled.
>

I've often toyed with the idea of changing my first name to Lord ...

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:57:42 +0100, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
>> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners", passed his
>> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be ready for
>> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
>> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
>> "That's just the name of the shop, love."
>
>Bonzos...

Of course!
Thanks.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 03/08/2023 09:21, BrritSki wrote:
> On 03/08/2023 08:20, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:17:50 AM UTC+1, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uaen19$ae5a$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:57:42,
>>> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>>>> On 02/08/2023 23:12, Penny wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I am reminded of the sketch (possibly from "I'm sorry I'll read that
>>>>> again") when a chap went into a shop called "Same Day Cleaners",
>>>>> passed his
>>>>> suit to the person behind the counter and asked when it would be
>>>>> ready for
>>>>> collection. "Next Tuesday." was the reply.
>>>>> "But is says Same Day Cleaners above the door!"
>>>>> "That's just the name of the shop, love."
>>>>
>>>> Bonzos...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrU3kROXww
>>>>
>>>> ...at about 2:35
>>>>
>>> (-:
>>>
>>> I know that's just comedy, but I've long thought there needs to be
>>> legislation against misleading company names: I was thinking mainly of
>>> names that include something giving a bogus implication of authority,
>>> such as "board", "council", and so on, but "59 minute cleaners" would
>>> ideally be caught too. (Could perhaps be combined with misleading
>>> product name legislation, as discussed in another post, though I _think_
>>> that may already be covered, and we're just raising things that infringe
>>> it.)
>> I think a lot of what you want already exists in legislation but is
>> poorly enforced. It would be good if people who are intent on fraud
>> and deceit were clamped down upon more vigorously but it would be a
>> shame if literalism were enforced too far and imagination were stifled.
>>
>
> I've often toyed with the idea of changing my first name to Lord ...
>
The last real one died in 1635 and had no sons so the baronecy died out
too, but he is also a character in PG Wodehouse's Blandings series...

On 03/08/2023 08:20, Nick Odell wrote:

<snip snip>

> What would hairdressers do if they couldn't call their shopfronts, "Scissors" "A Cut Above" or "Headlines"?

Would 'Curl Up and Dye' in Pewsey be an infringement?

--
Cheers
Clive

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <uaeet1$9dmo$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:38:57,
> Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> []
>>> Yes, this irritates me too - to the extent that when I found some
>>> (Morrison's) "Pineapple and Coconut drink" contained only 15% and 5%
>>> respectively, I communicated with the relevant authorities (finding out
>>> _which_ is relevant is hard work), and they replied, saying there may
>>> indeed be a case to answer. (I must chase them.) Once that's dealt with,
>>> my next one is (one of Lidl's many own brands) "Tropical Juice", which
>>> at 77% apple, I think is again misleading at least.
> []
>> I’m allergic to apple and I might have decided to have a drink without
>> checking labels except that I read everything because there seems no rhyme
>> or reason why a weird ingredient should be included. Powdered onion or
>> soya go in all sorts of things as an “enhancer”.
> []
> I'd not heard of apple allergy before: I'll mention it (not you) in
> future communications. (The "Pineapple and Coconut" drink was also more
> apple than anything else.)

Its much wider than apple, it’s to do with being a fruit with a stone/pip
in it and its a chemical reaction. Pears, plums etc. I can’t even
pronounce this range of natural chemicals of which there are several.

Mrs McT

On 02/08/2023 15:22, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> If I buy a tin of Baked Beans I expect it to contain Baked Beans and I
> suspect there is a legal requirement that it does.  Likewise, Mandarin
> Orange Segments  or Raspberry Jam.
>
> However I have just heartily enjoyed a lunch of "Bison Pate with Fried
> Onions" (1) on toast.  On reading the list of ingredients I find that
> the pate (2) contains 27% Chicken Liver, a total of 37% Pork products,
> 20% Bison meat and a mere 1% Fried Onions (plus condiments, milk and
> water.)
>
> How can that be legally described as "Bison Pate?  And I'd say "with
> Fried Onions" is stretching it a bit.
>
> (1) Specially prepared for Cholmondeley Castle, in case you're wondering.
>
> (2) Sorry, I can't do accents on this mini keyboard.
>
>
I see this post has already generated many replies, some humorous, but
none particularly helpful.

As you might expect, there are many regulations concerning food sold in
the UK. Here's a good place to start looking:

https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/packaging-and-labelling#:~:text=Food%20businesses%20must%20include%20a,that%20has%20imported%20the%20food

Not very far in to this morass of information we read, "The name of the
food must be clearly stated on the packaging and not be misleading."

Further down, we see this:

"Food authenticity
Food authenticity is when food matches its description. Labelling is
regulated to protect consumers who should have the correct information
to make confident and informed food choices based on diet, allergies,
personal taste or cost."

Prima facie, I think you might have a good case. Trading Standards are
the chaps to get in touch with.

In the 70s and 80s I worked in food processing companies and a food
packaging supplier, hence my interest. I remember being amused to see,
on a tin of boiled ham, a picture of the ham garnished with a sprig of
parsley. That had to bear the caption, "Serving Suggestion", just in
case someone thought there might be parsley in the tin.

In message <kj16d3FajgpU1@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 3 Aug 2023
09:21:57, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
[]
>I've often toyed with the idea of changing my first name to Lord ...
>
Or go the whole hog, and use Milord - think of how people would then
have to address you!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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In message <997ec2df-b7dd-424a-b863-fc55487353a2n@googlegroups.com> at
Thu, 3 Aug 2023 00:20:30, Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> writes
[]
>I think a lot of what you want already exists in legislation but is
>poorly enforced. It would be good if people who are intent on fraud and

Yes; it's a pity, as you'd think it's common sense, but the poor
enforcement has let the industry get away with it for sufficiently long
that a longish period of enforcement _is_ now needed - but isn't going
to happen, because law enforcement will always think (arguably
correctly) that it's got better things to do with its limited resources.

>deceit were clamped down upon more vigorously but it would be a shame
>if literalism were enforced too far and imagination were stifled.

Agreed (more below).
>
>What would hairdressers do if they couldn't call their shopfronts,
>"Scissors" "A Cut Above" or "Headlines"? There's a café in Huddersfield
>simply called "Lost Property" - it's near the Railway Station. And
>talking of railway stations, should Huddersfield Railway Station be
>allowed to call itself that when, for months at a time during what is a
>major rail upgrade, no trains are running through it or stopping there?

I don't think I'd bar any of the above examples, as there is no
_intention_ to deceive - just to amuse; the only _possible_ one being
"Lost Property" near the station, and I would have thought that was fine
if those working there explain clearly to anyone who popped in genuinely
thinking it _was_ LP, that it isn't. [Maybe even having a sign on the
wall to that effect - perhaps giving details of the real LP.] I can't
see how any _deception_ could be caused by use of such a name, unlike
the examples that started this, where food products are named in such a
way as to mislead about their ingredients - deliberately in the case of
the liquids I'm considering; I'm not sure about the buffalo paste
anotherrat has described.
>
>Inspired by the Bonzos, the working title for my retail premises in
>rural Norfolk moved between "John's Coffee Bar" and "Jacquie's Café and
>Take-away" although because of anticipated sense-of-humour failure in
>the tiny remote community where I set up (and actual sense-of-humour
>failure of WNDC) I didn't call it either of those things. I didn't even
>call it The Music Workshop (WNDC again).
>
>"The Music Workshop? Nah, that's just the name of the building, luv."
>
>Nick
>nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>
>
It's a fine line. I was a bit displeased to discover that the Design
Council, which most people think of as endorsing good design and even
giving awards for it, is entirely a company: the name to me _implies_
some degree of officialness. But on the other hand, I have absolutely no
objection to the pop group calling themselves the Style Council: it's
clearly slightly humorous (and the group came into being when fashion,
style etc. were a subject of great discussion - '80s was it?). It's how
people interpret the name: I don't think anybody would assume a pop
group were claiming any authority in that area!
--
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