On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 01:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
<nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...

>On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:13:34?AM UTC, John Armstrong wrote:
>> On 13/08/2023 14:51, Nick Odell wrote:
>> Okay so some of the chicken fat gets poured off and is then wrapped in
>> lots of newspaper together with the spent bones and bits and chucked
>> > Nick
>> > nicko...@yahoo.ca
>>
>> Interested, and rather surprised, to read how you, and others here,
>> dispose of food waste.
>>
>> Where I live, we put food waste in a small bin which is emptied weekly.
>> Then this is what happens:
>>
>> Food waste is taken to an Anaerobic Digestion plant.
>>
>> This waste is retained in an enclosed unit know as a fermenter where the
>> food waste breaks down.
>> The breakdown of the organic material (an anaerobic digestion process)
>> produces biogas. The biogas produces fuel for the onsite combined heat
>> and power system. The electricity generated goes to the national grid
>> and the heat recovered is used for the digesters.
>> After this process the remaining digestate is composted and used by
>> local farmers.
>
>All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme available here. Even if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them with digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some newspaper-absorbed fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to keep it that way.

Our food waste used to be collected (in their little electric truck) and
processed by a small charity in the town who also helped and encouraged
people to grow their own food, and gave away the resultant compost from
their efforts to anyone prepared to collect it*. Then the council decided
to change the system. They now collect the food waste (along with
recyclable), and sell (I think) the food waste to a company who drive it to
their anaerobic digester in Oxfordshire - which doesn't seem very green to
me.

*They still function on a new site next to the college with green houses
and teaching rooms (for hire). Have a community garden on the little grassy
hill in the middle of the town (I've never been up there) and sell produce
in the indoor market and arrange seed and plant swaps.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <kju2j4Fm74U2@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
08:14:42, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 13/08/2023 18:56, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 13/08/2023 17:21, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>> On 13/08/2023 12:47, Penny wrote:
>>>>> I don't understand why there is a law against castrating birds, but not
>>>>> Cattle, sheep or horses.
>>>>
>>>> Having read the article to which Nick posted a link, I would guess it's
>>>> because it's very much easier and safer for all concerned to castrate
>>>> animals than birds.
>>>>
>>> And it doesn't hurt at all unless you get your fingers caught between
>>> the bricks.
>>>
>> Isn’t that the conversion process for a 7 to a 14 day camel?
>>
>I haven't heard that joke for years!

I hesitate to ask, but I don't _think_ I know that one! The only one I
know of about camels (is indeed unsavoury and) involves a
misunderstanding of the _use_ to which they're put, but didn't involve a
conversion.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Computers can make anything seem anything, as did lawyers.
- chris@dickinson.uk.net in soc.genealogy.britain, 2018-4-7

On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
<snip>

> All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme available here. Even if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them with digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some newspaper-absorbed fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to keep it that way.
>

The weekly /food waste/ (not just waste food) caddy system was
introduced in Reading a few years ago. Before the introduction, there
were lots of similar comments about not wasting food.

It's food waste. Peelings etc. We (two of us) generally half filled
ours, whereas next door (four adults) hardly used theirs. The
difference? We have the time to cook, they're busy 'professionals' and
eat out or have deliveries.

I like the system, it works well for us. If you buy pre-prepared food,
then you can be pretty certain nothing is wasted. If you prepare your
own, there will be waste, and it's a shame to simply landfill it. It
also allows the use of a smaller landfill bin.

--
Cheers
Clive

In message <kju9giF1l7kU2@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
10:12:50, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
[]
>>fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to
>>keep it that way.
>
>YANAOU
>
>
As someone from the other end of the cooking spectrum (i. e. I don't do
any), I too don't have waste food: virtually all the food I buy, I eat.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Computers can make anything seem anything, as did lawyers.
- chris@dickinson.uk.net in soc.genealogy.britain, 2018-4-7

On 14/08/2023 11:14, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The
>> Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local
>> authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme  available here. Even
>> if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them with
>> digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some newspaper-absorbed
>> fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to
>> keep it that way.
>>
>
> The weekly /food waste/ (not just waste food) caddy system was
> introduced in Reading a few years ago.  Before the introduction, there
> were lots of similar comments about not wasting food.
>
> It's food waste.  Peelings etc.  We (two of us) generally half filled
> ours, whereas next door (four adults) hardly used theirs.  The
> difference?  We have the time to cook, they're busy 'professionals' and
> eat out or have deliveries.
>
> I like the system, it works well for us.  If you buy pre-prepared food,
> then you can be pretty certain nothing is wasted.  If you prepare your
> own, there will be waste, and it's a shame to simply landfill it.  It
> also allows the use of a smaller landfill bin.
>
We prepare most of our meals from scratch (scratch being fresh or
leftovers). Today we are on the third iteration of a lamb joint which we
first enjoyed a week or so ago and then again a few days ago as
shepherd's pie. meanwhile it's been in the freezer.
The only waste will be things like potato peelings, onion skins, tops
and tails of fresh runner beans etc and they will all go in the compost
heap.

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:14:47 AM UTC, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
> <snip>
> > All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme available here. Even if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them with digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some newspaper-absorbed fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to keep it that way.
> >
> The weekly /food waste/ (not just waste food) caddy system was
> introduced in Reading a few years ago. Before the introduction, there
> were lots of similar comments about not wasting food.
>
> It's food waste. Peelings etc. We (two of us) generally half filled
> ours, whereas next door (four adults) hardly used theirs. The
> difference? We have the time to cook, they're busy 'professionals' and
> eat out or have deliveries.
>
> I like the system, it works well for us. If you buy pre-prepared food,
> then you can be pretty certain nothing is wasted. If you prepare your
> own, there will be waste, and it's a shame to simply landfill it. It
> also allows the use of a smaller landfill bin.

Had I had that sort of thing available in the past maybe my routines would have evolved differently. But yes, having the time or making the time to cook for ones self makes all the difference. Anythin has the potential to go rotten gets processed into something else if it can't be eaten in time; the scraps from those vegetables which get peeled (most don't) and the odd soft bit of fruit or mouldy grape go into my own compost. Etc. Etc.

I'm fairly careful about not buying packaging so although our landfill bins are only collected once a fortnight, I often haven't accumulated enough to throw out until the next collection and then it might only be a plastic bag-full tied at the handles. (No food waste so no smell) Much more of my waste goes into the recycling bins but even then it can take a month or more for me to accumulate a proper bin full.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>Yes, I was going to mention the "intraocular difference" not being
>included. (Last time, I actually asked for that, and was told I'd only
>get it if buying from them!) But I've had no difficulty measuring it
>myself, using a mirror; if you live with someone else, it's probably
>even easier. I'd not thought of the earpiece length as a parameter, but
>presumably you can measure that from an existing pair you find
>comfortable.

Most of my specs have the standard dimensions printed on one of
the legs, such as, in my case, 53 - 19 - 135, these being: lens
diameter, bridge width, temple (leg) length.

Chris
--
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'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

Penny wrote:

>I've been aware I was heading towards cataracts for some time. One over
>zealous new optician put me on annual reviews, without telling me why, for
>a couple of years (some years back) until someone else took a closer look
>at my file and took me off that frequency again.

SS did tell me that it was my impending cataracts that was the
reason for them specifying annual eye tests, but that has since
reverted to the usual 2 years.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 14/08/2023 11:48, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:14:47 AM UTC, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme available here. Even if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them with digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some newspaper-absorbed fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to keep it that way.
>>>
>> The weekly /food waste/ (not just waste food) caddy system was
>> introduced in Reading a few years ago. Before the introduction, there
>> were lots of similar comments about not wasting food.
>>
>> It's food waste. Peelings etc. We (two of us) generally half filled
>> ours, whereas next door (four adults) hardly used theirs. The
>> difference? We have the time to cook, they're busy 'professionals' and
>> eat out or have deliveries.
>>
>> I like the system, it works well for us. If you buy pre-prepared food,
>> then you can be pretty certain nothing is wasted. If you prepare your
>> own, there will be waste, and it's a shame to simply landfill it. It
>> also allows the use of a smaller landfill bin.
>
> Had I had that sort of thing available in the past maybe my routines would have evolved differently. But yes, having the time or making the time to cook for ones self makes all the difference. Anythin has the potential to go rotten gets processed into something else if it can't be eaten in time; the scraps from those vegetables which get peeled (most don't) and the odd soft bit of fruit or mouldy grape go into my own compost. Etc. Etc.
>
> I'm fairly careful about not buying packaging so although our landfill bins are only collected once a fortnight, I often haven't accumulated enough to throw out until the next collection and then it might only be a plastic bag-full tied at the handles. (No food waste so no smell) Much more of my waste goes into the recycling bins but even then it can take a month or more for me to accumulate a proper bin full.
>

We have a food-waste bin (a largish one, can take three or four sacks
from the kitchen caddy) collected weekly, then a green recyclables bin
and a black general waste one (goes to an incinerator) plus a brown
garden waste bin collected every fortnight. My garden isn't the right
shape to have a compost heap so peelings etc all go in the food waste.

Where I am stumped is with stuff that theoretically is recyclable
material but is too fishy or greasy or otherwise too disgusting to put
in the green bin. I console myself that at least it doesn't go to landfill.

--
Kate B

On 14/08/2023 12:48, Kate B wrote:
> On 14/08/2023 11:48, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:14:47 AM UTC, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> All I know about Anaerobic Digestion I learned from listening to The
>>>> Archers (and of course you, too, John) but sadly not from my local
>>>> authority which doesn't have that sort of scheme available here.
>>>> Even if it did, I wouldn't change my lifestyle just to provide them
>>>> with digestibles. Apart from a few animal bones and some
>>>> newspaper-absorbed fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and
>>>> I work very hard to keep it that way.
>>>>
>>> The weekly /food waste/ (not just waste food) caddy system was
>>> introduced in Reading a few years ago. Before the introduction, there
>>> were lots of similar comments about not wasting food.
>>>
>>> It's food waste. Peelings etc. We (two of us) generally half filled
>>> ours, whereas next door (four adults) hardly used theirs. The
>>> difference? We have the time to cook, they're busy 'professionals' and
>>> eat out or have deliveries.
>>>
>>> I like the system, it works well for us. If you buy pre-prepared food,
>>> then you can be pretty certain nothing is wasted. If you prepare your
>>> own, there will be waste, and it's a shame to simply landfill it. It
>>> also allows the use of a smaller landfill bin.
>>
>> Had I had that sort of thing available in the past maybe my routines
>> would have evolved differently. But yes, having the time or making the
>> time to cook for ones self makes all the difference. Anythin has the
>> potential to go rotten  gets processed into something else if it can't
>> be eaten in time; the scraps from those vegetables which get peeled
>> (most don't) and the odd soft bit of fruit or mouldy grape go into my
>> own compost. Etc. Etc.
>>
>> I'm fairly careful  about not buying packaging so although our
>> landfill bins are only collected once a fortnight, I often haven't
>> accumulated enough to throw out until the next collection and then it
>> might only be a plastic bag-full tied at the handles. (No food waste
>> so no smell) Much more of my waste goes into the recycling bins but
>> even then it can take a month or more for me to accumulate a proper
>> bin full.
>>
>
> We have a food-waste bin (a largish one, can take three or four sacks
> from the kitchen caddy) collected weekly, then a green recyclables bin
> and a black general waste one (goes to an incinerator) plus a brown
> garden waste bin collected every fortnight. My garden isn't the right
> shape to have a compost heap so peelings etc all go in the food waste.
>
> Where I am stumped is with stuff that theoretically is recyclable
> material but is too fishy or greasy or otherwise too disgusting to put
> in the green bin. I console myself that at least it doesn't go to landfill.
>
In a recent former life my major source of food waste was not our
kitchen but the fruit and veg stall at our local Sunday car boot sale.
It started with the cabbage trimming for our chickens but eventually
expanded to six or seven large crates of trimmings, sub-standard,
bruised and rotting produce. These were triaged. Some were still edible
by us (or if there was a large quantity they went to the local homeless
soup kitchen or to a charity for asylum seekers) either immediately or
after processing (jams, roast and freeze, etc.). The next layer went to
feed the chickens (themselves layers) and what remained went to the
allotment for composting. Of course the chicken feed was also eevntually
composted.

john

In message <eq3kdi9krf7jhjspn3mct1529vc31i5nat@4ax.com> at Mon, 14 Aug
2023 12:31:39, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes
[]
>Most of my specs have the standard dimensions printed on one of
>the legs, such as, in my case, 53 - 19 - 135, these being: lens
>diameter, bridge width, temple (leg) length.
>
>Chris

I'm surprised to hear lens diameter being given as being a standard
dimension: I'd always assumed the choice of frame design determined
that.

I can see that there may be conditions that require a minimum diameter,
though.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If even one person" arguments allow the perfect to become the enemy of the
good, and thus they tend to cause more harm than good.
- Jimmy Akins quoted by Scott Adams, 2015-5-5

On 14/08/2023 11:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <kju2j4Fm74U2@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
> 08:14:42, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 13/08/2023 18:56, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 13/08/2023 17:21, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>>> On 13/08/2023 12:47, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> I don't understand why there is a law against castrating birds,
>>>>>> but not
>>>>>> Cattle, sheep or horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having read the article to which Nick posted a link, I would guess
>>>>> it's
>>>>> because it's very much easier and safer for all concerned to castrate
>>>>> animals than birds.
>>>>>
>>>> And it doesn't hurt at all unless you get your fingers caught between
>>>> the bricks.
>>>>
>>>  Isn’t that the conversion process for a 7 to a 14 day camel?
>>>
>> I haven't heard that joke for years!
>
> I hesitate to ask, but I don't _think_ I know that one! The only one I
> know of about camels (is indeed unsavoury and) involves a
> misunderstanding of the _use_ to which they're put, but didn't involve a
> conversion.

I know the unsavoury one to which you refer (I had a very mis-spent
youth), and that is not the one we were referring to here, which
involves building materials.

On 14/08/2023 11:14, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <kju9giF1l7kU2@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
> 10:12:50, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
> []
>>> fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to
>>> keep it that way.
>>
>> YANAOU
>>
>>
> As someone from the other end of the cooking spectrum (i. e. I don't do
> any), I too don't have waste food: virtually all the food I buy, I eat.

Waste food and food waste are of course two very different things. As I
almost always shop for one, waste food is quite easy to avoid.

The food waste I have to dispose of is almost all orange/lemon/lime peel
and used coffee grounds from the bean to cup machine.

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> Penny wrote:
>
>> I've been aware I was heading towards cataracts for some time. One over
>> zealous new optician put me on annual reviews, without telling me why, for
>> a couple of years (some years back) until someone else took a closer look
>> at my file and took me off that frequency again.
>
> SS did tell me that it was my impending cataracts that was the
> reason for them specifying annual eye tests, but that has since
> reverted to the usual 2 years.
>
> Chris

Only people like us have a yearly appointment, although in covid I was
apparently considered safe to escape for two years, but I’m back to yearly
for a diabetic scan and two yearly for specs testing.

Mrs McT

Jenny M Benson wrote:

>Visiting the Camelidae paddocks at Lady Fisher's South American Wildlife
>Park (1) gave rise to a huge laugh for my daughter and me. An older
>lady read the sign at one exhibit - "Guanaco!" she said. "Oh yes, they
>make very good manure, don't they?" responded her companion.

Which reminds me that, having long ago decided that a certain M5
services were not very good, we nowadays refer to them as
"Guano".

Gloucester, however, is very much appreciated. We need to catch
up on the new series, which started whilst we were away.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 14/08/2023 13:49, John Armstrong wrote:
> On 14/08/2023 11:14, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <kju9giF1l7kU2@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
>> 10:12:50, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>>> On 14/08/2023 09:29, Nick Odell wrote:
>> []
>>>> fat once in a while, I don't have waste food and I work very hard to
>>>> keep it that way.
>>>
>>> YANAOU
>>>
>>>
>> As someone from the other end of the cooking spectrum (i. e. I don't
>> do any), I too don't have waste food: virtually all the food I buy, I
>> eat.
>
> Waste food and food waste are of course two very different things. As I
> almost always shop for one, waste food is quite easy to avoid.
>
> The food waste I have to dispose of is almost all orange/lemon/lime peel
> and used coffee grounds from the bean to cup machine.

Am feeling rather guilty here, as I dispose of some forgotten yoghourt,
a courgette and a couple of shallots that went mouldy when I wasn't
looking... but if you have a garden, coffee grounds are brilliant for
acid-loving plants like acers, camellias and magnolias. Mine really perk
up after their weekly application.

--
Kate B

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>In message <eq3kdi9krf7jhjspn3mct1529vc31i5nat@4ax.com> at Mon, 14 Aug
>2023 12:31:39, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes
>[]
>>Most of my specs have the standard dimensions printed on one of
>>the legs, such as, in my case, 53 - 19 - 135, these being: lens
>>diameter, bridge width, temple (leg) length.
>
>I'm surprised to hear lens diameter being given as being a standard
>dimension: I'd always assumed the choice of frame design determined
>that.
>
>I can see that there may be conditions that require a minimum diameter,
>though.

Sorry, what I meant by "standard" was a set of figures that are
routinely quoted. AAUI, lenses all start off circular, and the
figure given is the minimum blank size required to be shaped to
suit the frame.

<https://www.glassesdirect.co.uk/frame-size-guide/>

"...frame measurements can be found on the inside arms of every
pair of glasses. The first number refers to the lens width, the
second number refers to the bridge width and the third number
refers to the side length. For an accurate fit, compare the
numbers of a frame you own to the numbers on screen."

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

Penny wrote:

>I rarely bake unless I have other people to feed, or I'd just eat it all
>myself. Wheat flour mostly comes in large bags and does develop off
>flavours. I don't buy self-raising, I have the chemicals to add myself and
>most recipes (in my books) give me the correct ratio for the item in
>question. I do use ancient flour for playdough or saltdough for modelling,
>but not often. I currently have part bags of strong wholemeal from 2015 and
>plain white from 2018. In-use bags are 2021 and 2022...

After a few incidents when bags of flour acquired their own
communities, we try to decant all open bags into plastic storage
boxes. You know the old adage: "See no weevil..."

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:36:26 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>Penny wrote:
>
>>I've been aware I was heading towards cataracts for some time. One over
>>zealous new optician put me on annual reviews, without telling me why, for
>>a couple of years (some years back) until someone else took a closer look
>>at my file and took me off that frequency again.
>
>SS did tell me that it was my impending cataracts that was the
>reason for them specifying annual eye tests, but that has since
>reverted to the usual 2 years.

Hm, maybe it's a change of policy at SS - or your cataracts, like mine,
have not 'advanced'/'developed' as rapidly as expected.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/08/2023 18:56, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 13/08/2023 17:21, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>> On 13/08/2023 12:47, Penny wrote:
>>>>> I don't understand why there is a law against castrating birds, but not
>>>>> Cattle, sheep or horses.
>>>>
>>>> Having read the article to which Nick posted a link, I would guess it's
>>>> because it's very much easier and safer for all concerned to castrate
>>>> animals than birds.
>>>>
>>> And it doesn't hurt at all unless you get your fingers caught between
>>> the bricks.
>>>
>>
>> Isn’t that the conversion process for a 7 to a 14 day camel?
>>
> I haven't heard that joke for years!
>

Believe me, the camel doesn’t think it is a joke at all!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 14/08/2023 16:33, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Penny wrote:
>
>> I rarely bake unless I have other people to feed, or I'd just eat it all
>> myself. Wheat flour mostly comes in large bags and does develop off
>> flavours. I don't buy self-raising, I have the chemicals to add myself and
>> most recipes (in my books) give me the correct ratio for the item in
>> question. I do use ancient flour for playdough or saltdough for modelling,
>> but not often. I currently have part bags of strong wholemeal from 2015 and
>> plain white from 2018. In-use bags are 2021 and 2022...
>
> After a few incidents when bags of flour acquired their own
> communities, we try to decant all open bags into plastic storage
> boxes. You know the old adage: "See no weevil..."

Some say the freezer is the best place to keep flour as weevils can't
survive. I don't because we get through it quite quickly.

--
Cheers
Clive

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:33:12 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>After a few incidents when bags of flour acquired their own
>communities, we try to decant all open bags into plastic storage
>boxes. You know the old adage: "See no weevil..."

Huh!
Many years ago I bought a bag of - I forget, some sort of whole spice -
from an Asian shop in Rochester. A few months later I noticed some very
small, almost colourless, creatures moving about in my cupboard. A local
council pest control officer took a sample away for identification and I
threw some stuff out and transferred all the other individual bags of
'ingredients' into plastic/polythene boxes with tightly fitting lids and
cleaned the whole cupboard (several shelves). The creatures were identified
as biscuit beetle and I was told they were harmless if consumed. I was
aware, as the years went on, that just one of the containers had a happy
colony living in it. They stuck the new eggs to the side of the box, where
they were visible. I figured, if their whole life-cycle was within the box
they mostly consisted of the contents, so I didn't worry about them.
I suspect I never told the children about this...
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 03:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
<nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...

>I'm fairly careful about not buying packaging so although our landfill bins are only collected once a fortnight, I often haven't accumulated enough to throw out until the next collection and then it might only be a plastic bag-full tied at the handles. (No food waste so no smell) Much more of my waste goes into the recycling bins but even then it can take a month or more for me to accumulate a proper bin full.

Our land-fill rubbish is collected every 3 weeks (in theory - they missed
my road [again!] last week). When the council stopped giving me free sacks
- well probably several years after they stopped delivering 156 free sacks
every year (we could put out 3 per week), when they brought in wheelie bins
(I declined one). I was horrified and disgusted they wanted me to pay (over
£70) for more, so I complained. I also stopped putting out my sack until it
was full (with enough at the top to tie it), to eek out the sacks I still
had.
I had no response from my email of complaint last September, so I nudged
them a couple of months later. I think the three new rolls of sacks arrived
in late April. I haven't started using them yet, I've only put out three
since September. Most of my non-recycleable rubbish is flimsy plastic
wrappers, odd ends of yarn and scraps of contaminated paper. Anything that
is likely to smell, gets washed and/or dehydrated before binning.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:57:17 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> Penny wrote:
>>
>>> I've been aware I was heading towards cataracts for some time. One over
>>> zealous new optician put me on annual reviews, without telling me why, for
>>> a couple of years (some years back) until someone else took a closer look
>>> at my file and took me off that frequency again.
>>
>> SS did tell me that it was my impending cataracts that was the
>> reason for them specifying annual eye tests, but that has since
>> reverted to the usual 2 years.
>>
>> Chris
>
>Only people like us have a yearly appointment, although in covid I was
>apparently considered safe to escape for two years, but I’m back to yearly
>for a diabetic scan and two yearly for specs testing.
>
>Mrs McT

I had an appointment every 6 months while they monitored my retinal
bleed until it went and every year for about 5 years to check eyesight
and cataracts.

On 14/08/2023 18:13, Penny wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 03:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> I'm fairly careful about not buying packaging so although our landfill bins are only collected once a fortnight, I often haven't accumulated enough to throw out until the next collection and then it might only be a plastic bag-full tied at the handles. (No food waste so no smell) Much more of my waste goes into the recycling bins but even then it can take a month or more for me to accumulate a proper bin full.
>
> Our land-fill rubbish is collected every 3 weeks (in theory - they missed
> my road [again!] last week). When the council stopped giving me free sacks
> - well probably several years after they stopped delivering 156 free sacks
> every year (we could put out 3 per week), when they brought in wheelie bins
> (I declined one). I was horrified and disgusted they wanted me to pay (over
> £70) for more, so I complained. I also stopped putting out my sack until it
> was full (with enough at the top to tie it), to eek out the sacks I still
> had.
> I had no response from my email of complaint last September, so I nudged
> them a couple of months later. I think the three new rolls of sacks arrived
> in late April. I haven't started using them yet, I've only put out three
> since September. Most of my non-recycleable rubbish is flimsy plastic
> wrappers, odd ends of yarn and scraps of contaminated paper. Anything that
> is likely to smell, gets washed and/or dehydrated before binning.

How do you dehydrate something smelly?
--
Kate B