On 11/08/2023 08:52, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> On 10/08/2023 10:18, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>>> wessie wrote:
>>>> I currently use a Lebara SIM which has free roaming in the EU but
>>>> not IoM. Rolling 30 day contract. 3GB a month is under a fiver.
>>>> Lebara uses the Vodafone network in the UK.
>>> This is what I have - It's fine except that 'WiFi Calling' and VoLTE
>>> don't work on Pixel phones (except those bought directly from
>>> Vodafone, apparently).
>>
>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>
> Smarty look like they would be perfect if only they weren't a Three MVNO
> - I find Three to be annoyingly patchy in coverage where I need it.

Well, it is as shit as Vodafone for the house (hence the WiFi calling)
and yes, been a few areas where it has dipped to H+, bt over all fine.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 11/08/2023 21:51, ajh wrote:
> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>
> How can one tell whether a call is via wifi or A MAST?

The words "WiFI Calling@ scroll across the screen

--
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On 11/08/2023 22:38 Champ penned these words:
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:44:05 +0800, Boots
> <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I balik kampung
>
> Sorry old man, don't understand your lingo

Go home or more accurately return to home village
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 13/08/2023 10:18, Boots wrote:
> On 11/08/2023 22:38 Champ penned these words:
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:44:05 +0800, Boots
>> <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I balik kampung
>>
>> Sorry old man, don't understand your lingo
>
> Go home or more accurately return to home village

Ah, the Lee Anderson approach

--
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On 09/08/2023 17:25, Champ wrote:
> I've had my the same mobile phone number since the early 1990s, and am
> loathe to let it go.
>

GiffGaff. Simple X quid per month endlessly. Assuming that they are in
your postcode.

On 14/08/2023 09:40, Tim wrote:
> On 09/08/2023 17:25, Champ wrote:
>> I've had my the same mobile phone number since the early 1990s, and am
>> loathe to let it go.
>>
>
> GiffGaff. Simple X quid per month endlessly. Assuming that they are in
> your postcode.

Sorry Champ, didn't see your earlier reply. I've been in in the
countryside where even H+ would have been a luxury and didn't see the
posting.

On 13/08/2023 20:07, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 11/08/2023 21:51, ajh wrote:
>> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>
>> How can one tell whether a call is via wifi or A MAST?
>
> The words "WiFI Calling@ scroll across the screen
>

Ah I have never seen that happen on my Samsung android s21, I suppose
because I have never been out of signal AND within wifi range.

On 14/08/2023 09:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>
> On 13/08/2023 10:18, Boots wrote:
>> On 11/08/2023 22:38 Champ penned these words:
>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:44:05 +0800, Boots
>>> <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I balik kampung
>>>
>>> Sorry old man, don't understand your lingo
>>
>> Go home or more accurately return to home village
>
> Ah, the Lee Anderson approach

That has added salt.

ajh wrote:
> On 13/08/2023 20:07, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> On 11/08/2023 21:51, ajh wrote:
>>> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>> How can one tell whether a call is via wifi or A MAST?
>> The words "WiFI Calling@ scroll across the screen
>>
>
> Ah I have never seen that happen on my Samsung android s21, I suppose
> because I have never been out of signal AND within wifi range.

You can test it using Aeroplane Mode, if you can configure it to disable
the cellular radio but not WiFi.

On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 13:37:33 UTC+1, ajh wrote:
> On 13/08/2023 20:07, YTC#1 wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 11/08/2023 21:51, ajh wrote:
> >> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
> >>
> >> How can one tell whether a call is via wifi or A MAST?
> >
> > The words "WiFI Calling@ scroll across the screen
> >
> Ah I have never seen that happen on my Samsung android s21, I suppose
> because I have never been out of signal AND within wifi range.

I would imagine most network configurations would offload to wifi rather than
use their own radio access networks[1], so you could be within network signal
*and* wifi signal and any call would be carried over wifi.

Whether it's indicated on the handset or not is possibly down to per-network/
supply route handset configuration. I know the Pixel range indicates when
wifi calling active (useful since I know not to step outside during a call), I
don't know about others.

Of course, it's possible the network chooses not to indicate when WiFi
calling is active (not saying this happens, just that it's a possible configuration
for devices that pass through a particular network's retail chain)

[1] Why pay to carry traffic when someone else can do it for you at no cost?

This is a thread hijack.

We had a U.S. retail costumer of (a prominent North American prepaid
MVNO cellphone company) come to the store wanting to replace a missing
phone. Well, we balled up the automatic process and had to call his
cellphone carrier and beg a representative to move his old phone
number to a replacement phone, which we sold in the company package.
This time, the carrier was adamant that they WOULD NOT activate the
new phone with his old number because he no longer had the old phone
in his possession.

So we slipped up twice: We (1) didn't succeed with the standard online
replacement transaction and (2) admitted to the carrier that the phone
was gone. However, I believe that, even if we had lied about it and
said that we still had the old phone but that it was inoperative, the
outcome would have been much the same.

The carriers' refusal to allow the costumer to keep his old phone
number is to comply with Federal government mandates that they
eliminate SIM-swap fraud. Fundamentally the only way you're going to
get your phone number off your old phone is to:

+ Call the carrier.

+ Tell them the serial numbers of your new phone.

+ Receive a text message on your old phone. <-- HEREIN LIES THE RUB.

+ Relay the PIN from the text message to the carrier representative
waiting on the line.

Companies used to allow other means to establish identity. Today,
they will ask about frequently called numbers, and you'd better be
able to conjure these up without access to your old phone. Text
traffic doesn't count. Only voice calls logged to and from phone
numbers of friends and family are seen by carrier representatives and
can be used to verify subscriber identity. If your circle is small or
you are addicted to texting, you may not have even the handful of
numbers required. It can be really difficult to employ this method.

No, for most people the only practical way to establish identity is to
have a working phone. If you break or lose your old prepaid
cellphone, you can kiss your prepaid cellphone number goodbye ... at
least in the U.S.

Is the story the same in the U.K.?

--
Worst Case

"Worst Case"@dizum.com wrote in
news:daea59abe6baba06dd294183c157d00d@dizum.com:

> Is the story the same in the U.K.?
>

No

On 14/08/2023 14:55, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> ajh wrote:
>> On 13/08/2023 20:07, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/08/2023 21:51, ajh wrote:
>>>> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>>> How can one tell whether a call is via wifi or A MAST?
>>> The words "WiFI Calling@ scroll across the screen
>>>
>>
>> Ah I have never seen that happen on my Samsung android s21, I suppose
>> because I have never been out of signal AND within wifi range.
>
> You can test it using Aeroplane Mode, if you can configure it to disable
> the cellular radio but not WiFi.

Thanks, that worked if first I put it in flight mode and then re enabled
wifi within the flight mode. The ensuing call then gave no indication it
was wifi calling.

On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 15:45:52 UTC+1, "Worst...@dizum.com wrote:
> This is a thread hijack.
>
> We had a U.S. retail costumer of (a prominent North American prepaid
> MVNO cellphone company) come to the store wanting to replace a missing
> phone. Well, we balled up the automatic process and had to call his
> cellphone carrier and beg a representative to move his old phone
> number to a replacement phone, which we sold in the company package.
> This time, the carrier was adamant that they WOULD NOT activate the
> new phone with his old number because he no longer had the old phone
> in his possession.

Surely you wanted to:
1) Move the old number to a new SIM.
2) Supply a new phone (to use with the new SIM).

> So we slipped up twice: We (1) didn't succeed with the standard online
> replacement transaction and (2) admitted to the carrier that the phone
> was gone. However, I believe that, even if we had lied about it and
> said that we still had the old phone but that it was inoperative, the
> outcome would have been much the same.
>
> The carriers' refusal to allow the costumer to keep his old phone
> number is to comply with Federal government mandates that they
> eliminate SIM-swap fraud. Fundamentally the only way you're going to
> get your phone number off your old phone is to:
>
> + Call the carrier.
>
> + Tell them the serial numbers of your new phone.
>
> + Receive a text message on your old phone. <-- HEREIN LIES THE RUB.
>
> + Relay the PIN from the text message to the carrier representative
> waiting on the line.

Or... take the SIM out of the old phone and put it in the new phone.

> Companies used to allow other means to establish identity. Today,
> they will ask about frequently called numbers, and you'd better be
> able to conjure these up without access to your old phone. Text
> traffic doesn't count. Only voice calls logged to and from phone
> numbers of friends and family are seen by carrier representatives and
> can be used to verify subscriber identity. If your circle is small or
> you are addicted to texting, you may not have even the handful of
> numbers required. It can be really difficult to employ this method.
>
> No, for most people the only practical way to establish identity is to
> have a working phone. If you break or lose your old prepaid
> cellphone, you can kiss your prepaid cellphone number goodbye ... at
> least in the U.S.

Or, again, move the SIM; it's why they were standardised[1].
> Is the story the same in the U.K.?

No, it's like reading about the third world. Are you sure this wasn't
an old story from IS95 days?

[1] Of course the eSIM will make this a little more difficult...

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Is the story the same in the U.K.?

>No, it's like reading about the third world. Are you sure this wasn't
>an old story from IS95 days?

IRTA 1995, which just about makes sense. Did we even have SIM cards
then?

I can't believe that even in the US the process is so difficult - lost
and stolen phones are a regular occurence and the cancelling of an old
and issuing of a new SIM must surely be something an operator does
hundreds or thousands of times a day.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 15/08/2023 11:49, Ace wrote:
>
> IRTA 1995, which just about makes sense. Did we even have SIM cards
> then?

Yes. I started my first "proper" job after universities in 1994, and had
the company mobile phone[0] when on-call. It had a full-size SIM card
(i.e. credit card size).

I'm not sure I ever took a call on it, to be honest, but I got paid to
carry it around.

[0] Plus spare battery and proprietary charger, which would charge phone
and spare battery simultaneously.
--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Tuesday, 15 August 2023 at 11:49:38 UTC+1, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Is the story the same in the U.K.?
>
> >No, it's like reading about the third world. Are you sure this wasn't
> >an old story from IS95 days?
> IRTA 1995, which just about makes sense. Did we even have SIM cards
> then?

Yes, GSM launch in UK was '92.

I've not got data to hand... but I'd guess that by '95 the majority of new connections
were GSM rather than on the analogue system. I know Vodafone had pretty much
put their analogue system on hold and were trying to move people across to digital
during '95 so that they could reuse the 900MHz frequencies.
> I can't believe that even in the US the process is so difficult - lost
> and stolen phones are a regular occurence and the cancelling of an old
> and issuing of a new SIM must surely be something an operator does
> hundreds or thousands of times a day.

Ditto. But my discussions with US operators (in the past) did show it was a very
different world with a completely different mind-set as to customer rights.

On Tuesday, 15 August 2023 at 14:19:46 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
> On 15/08/2023 11:49, Ace wrote:
> >
> > IRTA 1995, which just about makes sense. Did we even have SIM cards
> > then?
> Yes. I started my first "proper" job after universities in 1994, and had
> the company mobile phone[0] when on-call. It had a full-size SIM card
> (i.e. credit card size).
>
> I'm not sure I ever took a call on it, to be honest, but I got paid to
> carry it around.
>
>
> [0] Plus spare battery and proprietary charger, which would charge phone
> and spare battery simultaneously.

Hmm... was it a motorola flip phone of some description with a nice little
tidy docking station type charger that both the phone and battery sat in?

On 15/08/2023 16:03, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 15 August 2023 at 14:19:46 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
>>
>> [0] Plus spare battery and proprietary charger, which would charge phone
>> and spare battery simultaneously.
>
> Hmm... was it a motorola flip phone of some description with a nice little
> tidy docking station type charger that both the phone and battery sat in?

Exactly that. And the phone had that pull-out antenna which appeared to
be made entirely of plastic.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 14/08/2023 22:45 "Worst Case"@dizum.com penned these words:
> Is the story the same in the U.K.?

Nope. Nor anywhere for that matter, when my mobile was hors de combat because I
dropped the damn thing I just put the SIM into my spare phone. If I'd have lost
the phone I'd have needed to get a SIM from the carrier and then swap number.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 10/08/2023 10:18, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>> wessie wrote:
>>> I currently use a Lebara SIM which has free roaming in the EU but not
>>> IoM. Rolling 30 day contract. 3GB a month is under a fiver. Lebara
>>> uses the Vodafone network in the UK.
>>
>> This is what I have - It's fine except that 'WiFi Calling' and VoLTE
>> don't work on Pixel phones (except those bought directly from
>> Vodafone, apparently).
>
> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>
>

I'll take that back, it has stopped working. On both our phones.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 18/08/2023 15:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 10/08/2023 20:44, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/08/2023 10:18, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>>> wessie wrote:
>>>> I currently use a Lebara SIM which has free roaming in the EU but
>>>> not IoM. Rolling 30 day contract. 3GB a month is under a fiver.
>>>> Lebara uses the Vodafone network in the UK.
>>>
>>> This is what I have - It's fine except that 'WiFi Calling' and VoLTE
>>> don't work on Pixel phones (except those bought directly from
>>> Vodafone, apparently).
>>
>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>
>>
>
> I'll take that back, it has stopped working. On both our phones.
>
>

After a lot of faffing about (presumably an update screwed it).
I realised I only saw the wifi-calling when thee was 4G signal/SIM active.

With areoplaune mode I gor a message saying to "connect to wireless
(which I was) or swich off AP mode".

After much googling, with no joy I noticed behind the message were the
words "Radio Off". So, more googling and problem solved.

From the keypad (while in AP mode[1]) type:
*#*#4636#*#*

Then "enable radio"

Fixed both phones.

[1] The opton wasn't available when not AP mode.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

YTC#1 wrote:
>>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>>
>> I'll take that back, it has stopped working. On both our phones.
>>
>
> After a lot of faffing about (presumably an update screwed it).
> I realised I only saw the wifi-calling when thee was 4G signal/SIM active.
>
> With areoplaune mode I gor a message saying to "connect to wireless
> (which I was) or swich off AP mode".
>
> After much googling, with no joy I noticed behind the message were the
> words "Radio Off". So, more googling and problem solved.
>
> From the keypad (while in AP mode[1]) type:
> *#*#4636#*#*
>
> Then "enable radio"
>
> Fixed both phones.
>
> [1] The opton wasn't available when not AP mode.

So you have to enable the cellular radio in AP mode to allow WiFi
calling in AP mode ?

I'm not sure what the point of AP mode would be if both the cellular and
WiFi radios are enabled.

I think I need to play around with some SIMs from different providers.

On 22/08/2023 11:54, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> Smarty + Pixel + wifi calling is fine
>>>>
>>> I'll take that back, it has stopped working. On both our phones.
>>>
>>
>> After a lot of faffing about (presumably an update screwed it).
>> I realised I only saw the wifi-calling when thee was 4G signal/SIM
>> active.
>>
>> With areoplaune mode I gor a message saying to "connect to wireless
>> (which I was) or swich off AP mode".
>>
>> After much googling, with no joy I noticed behind the message were the
>> words "Radio Off". So, more googling and problem solved.
>>
>>  From the keypad (while in AP mode[1]) type:
>> *#*#4636#*#*
>>
>> Then "enable radio"
>>
>> Fixed both phones.
>>
>> [1] The opton wasn't available when not AP mode.
>
> So you have to enable the cellular radio in AP mode to allow WiFi
> calling in AP mode ?

That was what I had to do, yes.
>
> I'm not sure what the point of AP mode would be if both the cellular and
> WiFi radios are enabled.
I'd ;ist it as a bug, but CBA

>
> I think I need to play around with some SIMs from different providers.
>

Always worth some time (just making sure they are different networks if
the likes of Smarty)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 12:56:48 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 11:54, Sqirrel99 wrote:

> > I think I need to play around with some SIMs from different providers.
> >
> Always worth some time (just making sure they are different networks if
> the likes of Smarty)

Some services (such as VoWiFI) were not initially made available to MVNOs
by MNOs; they were kept for 'in house' connections only. It might still be the
case so I wouldn't believe behaviour on 3 necessarily equalled behaviour on
Smarty etc.