Last night, for once, I slept all the way through the night and woke
for the first time at around seven. But it isn't usually like that and
this morning I noticed that quite a number of posts to umra were made
during the long, sleepless watches on the night.

Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
Four O'clock Club and use this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yafjW2rVJk
as our theme tune.

Why? Because I figure the lyrical redundancy in that song will keep us
all arguing for days and days.

Nick

In message <v07qkihnsk9nfq1c63c9smlqapasco4edl@4ax.com> at Thu, 9 Nov
2023 18:01:43, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>Last night, for once, I slept all the way through the night and woke
>for the first time at around seven. But it isn't usually like that and
>this morning I noticed that quite a number of posts to umra were made
>during the long, sleepless watches on the night.
>
>Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
>whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
>Four O'clock Club and use this:

Happy to join your club, but my sometimes being awake at that time isn't
due to insomnia, just a slipping internal clock (I sometimes go to bed
5-7 a.m.).

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yafjW2rVJk
>as our theme tune.
>
>Why? Because I figure the lyrical redundancy in that song will keep us
>all arguing for days and days.

I couldn't see - other than the general repetitiveness of the song - any
obvious redundancy, other than the glaring "four a. m. in the morning".
>
>Nick

I rather prefer this one (though it's set an hour earlier) - on a 1920s
(OK, 1919) karaoke machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iCXmxMfJ0

(Connie Francis also sings it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It is complete loose-stool-water, it is arse-gravy of the worst kind
- Stephen Fry on "The Da Vinci Code"

On 09/11/2023 18:01, Nick Odell wrote:
> Last night, for once, I slept all the way through the night and woke
> for the first time at around seven. But it isn't usually like that and
> this morning I noticed that quite a number of posts to umra were made
> during the long, sleepless watches on the night.
>
> Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
> whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
> Four O'clock Club and use this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yafjW2rVJk
> as our theme tune.
>
> Why? Because I figure the lyrical redundancy in that song will keep us
> all arguing for days and days.
>
> Nick

No Newsgroup for Old Men.

john(who's worried such a club might interfere with his 5 a.m. crossword
habit)

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>"four a. m. in the morning"

I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
4 after midnight
and
4 past midday?
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> "four a. m. in the morning"
>
> I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
> 4 after midnight
> and
> 4 past midday?

I’ll ask my Auntie Meridian and see what she thinks.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> "four a. m. in the morning"
>>
>> I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
>> 4 after midnight
>> and
>> 4 past midday?
>
> I’ll ask my Auntie Meridian and see what she thinks.
>

But I’ll leave it for a respectful time as she is in morning for her late
husband.;-)))

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <uilp1i$2ualq$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:25:06,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>
>>>> "four a. m. in the morning"

(To clarify: I was _pointing out_ the tautology!)
>>>
>>> I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
>>> 4 after midnight
>>> and
>>> 4 past midday?

Personally, I'd far rather use the 24-hour clock. Growing up in Germany,
I found it a very backwards step when I came here and found e. g. TV
listings weren't in 24h.
>>
>> I’ll ask my Auntie Meridian and see what she thinks.
>>
Did she know auntie cyclone?
>
>But I’ll leave it for a respectful time as she is in morning for her late
>husband.;-)))
>
(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>In message <v07qkihnsk9nfq1c63c9smlqapasco4edl@4ax.com> at Thu, 9 Nov
>2023 18:01:43, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>Last night, for once, I slept all the way through the night and woke
>>for the first time at around seven. But it isn't usually like that and
>>this morning I noticed that quite a number of posts to umra were made
>>during the long, sleepless watches on the night.
>>
>>Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
>>whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
>>Four O'clock Club and use this:
>
>Happy to join your club, but my sometimes being awake at that time isn't
>due to insomnia, just a slipping internal clock (I sometimes go to bed
>5-7 a.m.).
>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yafjW2rVJk
>>as our theme tune.
>>
>>Why? Because I figure the lyrical redundancy in that song will keep us
>>all arguing for days and days.
>
>I couldn't see - other than the general repetitiveness of the song - any
>obvious redundancy, other than the glaring "four a. m. in the morning".
>>
>>Nick
>
>I rather prefer this one (though it's set an hour earlier) - on a 1920s
>(OK, 1919) karaoke machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iCXmxMfJ0
>
>(Connie Francis also sings it.)

Oh, very good John. I spotted your comment underneath the video - and
the reply.

Nick

In message <k0ktkip8s25bkut7f6pcobsm4sblhtc5h2@4ax.com> at Sat, 11 Nov
2023 00:52:35, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <v07qkihnsk9nfq1c63c9smlqapasco4edl@4ax.com> at Thu, 9 Nov
>>2023 18:01:43, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
[]
>>>Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
>>>whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
>>>Four O'clock Club and use this:
>>
>>Happy to join your club, but my sometimes being awake at that time isn't
[]
>>I rather prefer this one (though it's set an hour earlier) - on a 1920s
>>(OK, 1919) karaoke machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iCXmxMfJ0
>>
>>(Connie Francis also sings it.)
>
>Oh, very good John. I spotted your comment underneath the video - and
>the reply.
>
>Nick

I often comment on YT videos (hadn't seen the OP had replied though);
with extra info if I can. On the whole, YT users - at least, of the
videos I watch! - seem quite friendly.

Did you let that one - I find it a very pleasant tune/sound - run right
to the end? There's an unexpected sound 4 seconds from the end, from
something that looks very modern, but as it matches the beginning, I
assume was there originally!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't like activity holidays. I like /inactivity/ holidays.
- Miriam Margolyes, RT 2017/4/15-21

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:17:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <k0ktkip8s25bkut7f6pcobsm4sblhtc5h2@4ax.com> at Sat, 11 Nov
>2023 00:52:35, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <v07qkihnsk9nfq1c63c9smlqapasco4edl@4ax.com> at Thu, 9 Nov
>>>2023 18:01:43, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>[]
>>>>Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
>>>>whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
>>>>Four O'clock Club and use this:
>>>
>>>Happy to join your club, but my sometimes being awake at that time isn't
>[]
>>>I rather prefer this one (though it's set an hour earlier) - on a 1920s
>>>(OK, 1919) karaoke machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iCXmxMfJ0
>>>
>>>(Connie Francis also sings it.)
>>
>>Oh, very good John. I spotted your comment underneath the video - and
>>the reply.
>>
>>Nick
>
>I often comment on YT videos (hadn't seen the OP had replied though);
>with extra info if I can. On the whole, YT users - at least, of the
>videos I watch! - seem quite friendly.
>
>Did you let that one - I find it a very pleasant tune/sound - run right
>to the end? There's an unexpected sound 4 seconds from the end, from
>something that looks very modern, but as it matches the beginning, I
>assume was there originally!

My guess is that it is the sound that the punched serial number makes
as it passes over the sensors at the end.

Nick

In message <0hquki9ei2bonjkvvssli6vkrd3qgaoo8e@4ax.com> at Sat, 11 Nov
2023 11:49:42, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:17:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <k0ktkip8s25bkut7f6pcobsm4sblhtc5h2@4ax.com> at Sat, 11 Nov
>>2023 00:52:35, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <v07qkihnsk9nfq1c63c9smlqapasco4edl@4ax.com> at Thu, 9 Nov
>>>>2023 18:01:43, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>[]
>>>>>Should we form an insomniac wing of UMRA and post things to each other
>>>>>whilst nobody else is watching? If so I propose that we call it the
>>>>>Four O'clock Club and use this:
>>>>
>>>>Happy to join your club, but my sometimes being awake at that time isn't
>>[]
>>>>I rather prefer this one (though it's set an hour earlier) - on a 1920s
>>>>(OK, 1919) karaoke machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iCXmxMfJ0
>>>>
>>>>(Connie Francis also sings it.)
>>>
>>>Oh, very good John. I spotted your comment underneath the video - and
>>>the reply.
>>>
>>>Nick
>>
>>I often comment on YT videos (hadn't seen the OP had replied though);
>>with extra info if I can. On the whole, YT users - at least, of the
>>videos I watch! - seem quite friendly.
>>
>>Did you let that one - I find it a very pleasant tune/sound - run right
>>to the end? There's an unexpected sound 4 seconds from the end, from
>>something that looks very modern, but as it matches the beginning, I
>>assume was there originally!
>
>My guess is that it is the sound that the punched serial number makes
>as it passes over the sensors at the end.
>
>Nick

Correct! I was just surprised to find such a modern-looking punching,
but it matches the number at the start, so presumably _is_ contemporary.
Presumably users of rolls from that manufacturer learnt to watch out for
it and stop pedalling (or cut off the motor) just after the last note.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Whoever decided to limit tagline length to 68 characters can kiss my

On 10/11/2023 18:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <uilp1i$2ualq$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:25:06,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> "four a. m. in the morning"
>
> (To clarify: I was _pointing out_ the tautology!)
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
>>>> 4 after midnight
>>>> and
>>>> 4 past midday?
>
> Personally, I'd far rather use the 24-hour clock. Growing up in Germany,
> I found it a very backwards step when I came here and found e. g. TV
> listings weren't in 24h.
>>>
I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
recorder in order to set it correctly.

>>> I’ll ask my Auntie Meridian and see what she thinks.
>>>
> Did she know auntie cyclone?
>>
>> But I’ll leave it for a respectful time as she is in morning for her late
>> husband.;-)))
>>
> (-:

--
Ric

On 16-Nov-23 17:40, Joe Kerr wrote:
> On 10/11/2023 18:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uilp1i$2ualq$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 10 Nov 2023
>> 17:25:06, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:57:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "four a. m. in the morning"
>>
>> (To clarify: I was _pointing out_ the tautology!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's time to get rid of the Latin - how about
>>>>> 4 after midnight
>>>>> and
>>>>> 4 past midday?
>>
>> Personally, I'd far rather use the 24-hour clock. Growing up in
>> Germany, I found it a very backwards step when I came here and found
>> e. g. TV listings weren't in 24h.
>>>>
> I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
> recorder in order to set it correctly.

And even now you can buy things like a microwave oven which can _only_
'do' a 12 hour clock. (Why?)

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <bku5N.57542$svP4.2662@fx12.iad> at Thu, 16 Nov 2023
19:46:16, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 16-Nov-23 17:40, Joe Kerr wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 18:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>>> Personally, I'd far rather use the 24-hour clock. Growing up in
>>>Germany, I found it a very backwards step when I came here and found
>>>e. g. TV listings weren't in 24h.
>>>>>
>> I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first
>>video recorder in order to set it correctly.

Yes, you'd have thought that maybe at that point the listing magazines
would have switched, but no.
>
>And even now you can buy things like a microwave oven which can _only_
>'do' a 12 hour clock. (Why?)
>
Or even a clock! The sort of bottom-of-the-range alarm clocks (usually 6
to 12 pounds new, sometimes with a radio as an option for the wake
sound). The frustrating thing is, the clock chip in lots of these can
almost certainly do both, and it's just a matter of making or cutting a
link on the circuit board.

I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
(I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
nobody has given it any thought! Have a look next time you're in a big
supermarket (or Currys/PC World, or kitchen department) that sells them.
(My present one, I made sure it had knobs with a ridge across them;
surely makes no difference to the manufacturing cost.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It is important to write so that you can be understood. It is far more
important to write so that you cannot be misunderstood.

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
scrawled in the dust...

>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>recorder in order to set it correctly.

I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
down the menu to correct.

*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
floor and set it off :(
Not impressed.

**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
step.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 19:46:16 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> scrawled in
the dust...

>And even now you can buy things like a microwave oven which can _only_
>'do' a 12 hour clock. (Why?)

Huh! My latest microwave will only function for a maximum of 5 minutes at a
time. Makes heating up things like frozen fish pie (I'd never go to the
faff of making one but it's a good standby at the end of a busy day)
annoying when the instructions ask for 8 or 9mins.

At least it didn't force me to set up the clock. There are too many clocks
in my kitchen, only two of them show the actual time, three if you count
the boiler control (which currently thinks Thursday is Saturday).
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 16.11.23 00:38, Penny wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>> recorder in order to set it correctly.
>
> I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
> head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
> one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
> option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
> idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
> display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
> realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
> down the menu to correct.
>
> *I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
> putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
> for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
> on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
> emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
> or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
> giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
> floor and set it off :(
> Not impressed.
>
> **Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
> step.

Which age is that? Wife had a couple of "falls" several years ago but
in both cases had also consumed some alcohol ... and simply missed her
footing.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 16/11/2023 00:47, Penny wrote:
> Huh! My latest microwave will only function for a maximum of 5 minutes at a
> time. Makes heating up things like frozen fish pie (I'd never go to the
> faff of making one but it's a good standby at the end of a busy day)
> annoying when the instructions ask for 8 or 9mins.

My latest microwave, which I've had for about a year, I'd guess, allows
me to press just one "button" (1), the appropriate number for cooking
for 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 minutes. For anything else it's a series of
presses. Needless to say, I almost never set it to cook for less than a
round number of minutes between 1 and 5, repeating the press or cutting
cooking short by opening the door!

(1) Not actual buttons, of course.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>>recorder in order to set it correctly.
>
>I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
>head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
>one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
>option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
>idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
>display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
>realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
>down the menu to correct.
>
>*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>floor and set it off :(
>Not impressed.
>
>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>step.
I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:20:25 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

> *I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>> putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>> for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>> on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>> emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>> or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>> giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>> floor and set it off :(
>> Not impressed.
>>
>> **Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>> step.
>
>Which age is that? Wife had a couple of "falls" several years ago but
>in both cases had also consumed some alcohol ... and simply missed her
>footing.
>

When I fell last month when out in London with #2 daughter and
grandson I'd had only one beer (Korean) and a few gulps of her second
beer with a big lunch. But when I fell 3 or 4 years ago, also with
them, I'd not had any alcohol. Removal of cataracts has helped but
being clumsy and creaky make me wobbly.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:58:43 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>>scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>>>recorder in order to set it correctly.
>>
>>I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
>>head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
>>one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
>>option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
>>idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
>>display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
>>realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
>>down the menu to correct.
>>
>>*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>>putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>>on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>>emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>>or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>>giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>>floor and set it off :(
>>Not impressed.
>>
>>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>step.
>I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
>I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
>close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
>fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
>phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
>months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
>nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
>faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.

You are obviously not using the iPad right. Here - this instruction
video ought to help. It's only 34 seconds long and the soundtrack is
in German but it could transform your experience.

https://vimeo.com/37942209

Nick

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:03:27 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:20:25 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> *I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>>> putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>>> for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>>> on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>>> emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>>> or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>>> giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>>> floor and set it off :(
>>> Not impressed.
>>>
>>> **Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>> step.
>>
>>Which age is that? Wife had a couple of "falls" several years ago but
>>in both cases had also consumed some alcohol ... and simply missed her
>>footing.
>>
>
>When I fell last month when out in London with #2 daughter and
>grandson I'd had only one beer (Korean) and a few gulps of her second
>beer with a big lunch. But when I fell 3 or 4 years ago, also with
>them, I'd not had any alcohol. Removal of cataracts has helped but
>being clumsy and creaky make me wobbly.

I'm glad you are saying that you fell and not being complicit with the
people who say "S/he had a fall" and all the baggage that comes with.
I have been falling over since I was about eighteen months old -
although there might be comparisons to be made with the reasons I fell
then and fall now,

Nick

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>>recorder in order to set it correctly.
>
>I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
>head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
>one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
>option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
>idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
>display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
>realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
>down the menu to correct.
>
>*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>floor and set it off :(
>Not impressed.
>
First, I'm very glad to see you back here again and hope any damage is
diminishing or already gone.

Second, and I am really, really not chasing any bad taste nominations
here but if you are happy that your children appesr to be involving
themselves in these aspects of your life in these ways then that's
absolutely fine but I would absolutely hate it if my friends or family
tried to limit what I could or should do and I'm afraid I would tell
them just what they could do with their old people's mobile phone.

Nick

>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>step.

In message <cspelih9p9ks4f71nuvbtih7m1mkj5j0q3@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
2023 13:17:56, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:58:43 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>wrote:
[]
>>I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
>>I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
>>close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
>>fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
>>phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
>>months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
>>nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
>>faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.
>
>You are obviously not using the iPad right. Here - this instruction
>video ought to help. It's only 34 seconds long and the soundtrack is
>in German but it could transform your experience.
>
>https://vimeo.com/37942209
>
>Nick

For those unwilling to log into vimeo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gQE0J00UE (that has subtitles too!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have the courage to be ordinary - people make themselves so desperately unhappy
trying to be clever and totally original. (Robbie Coltrane, RT 8-14 Nov. 1997.)

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:43:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <cspelih9p9ks4f71nuvbtih7m1mkj5j0q3@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>2023 13:17:56, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:58:43 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>[]
>>>I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
>>>I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
>>>close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
>>>fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
>>>phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
>>>months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
>>>nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
>>>faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.
>>
>>You are obviously not using the iPad right. Here - this instruction
>>video ought to help. It's only 34 seconds long and the soundtrack is
>>in German but it could transform your experience.
>>
>>https://vimeo.com/37942209
>>
>>Nick
>
>For those unwilling to log into vimeo:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gQE0J00UE (that has subtitles too!)

You don't need to log in - I don't.

N.