In message <4oqeli1tufeh0919p0mgrnju4n4md222qs@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
2023 13:46:10, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>>scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>>>recorder in order to set it correctly.

I adopted ISO time (year-month-day) when I first got a digital watch;
cheap ones (maybe all of them at that time) displayed the date in the
American format, month-day, and rather than having to mentally switch
every time I looked at it, I went for ISO. (Which has other advantages
too.) [No way was I going to adopt the highly illogical month-day-year.]
>>
>>I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
>>head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
[]
>>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
[]
>First, I'm very glad to see you back here again and hope any damage is
>diminishing or already gone.

+n
>
>Second, and I am really, really not chasing any bad taste nominations
>here but if you are happy that your children appesr to be involving
>themselves in these aspects of your life in these ways then that's
>absolutely fine but I would absolutely hate it if my friends or family
>tried to limit what I could or should do and I'm afraid I would tell
>them just what they could do with their old people's mobile phone.

I must admit I had the same reaction when I read the above. But like
Nick I'm not wanting to tell others how to react. (Especially if they
bought it for you. Though the video about the iPad is tempting - but I
can't think of a similar use one could make of something 'phone-shaped.)
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>step.
Hmm, "had a fall" you mean? Yes, it does have a slight "old person"
vibe, but I'm trying to think what phrase I could use that isn't that
one. "Fell" isn't quite it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have the courage to be ordinary - people make themselves so desperately unhappy
trying to be clever and totally original. (Robbie Coltrane, RT 8-14 Nov. 1997.)

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

<snip>
>I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>10-15 years
<snip>

I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to
undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
there and works.

Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.

It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
40 years.

Nick

On 17/11/2023 14:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <4oqeli1tufeh0919p0mgrnju4n4md222qs@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
> 2023 13:46:10, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes

>> Second, and I am really, really not chasing any bad taste nominations
>> here but if you are happy that your children appesr to be involving
>> themselves in these aspects of your life in these ways then that's
>> absolutely fine but I would absolutely hate it if my friends or family
>> tried to limit what I could or should do and I'm afraid I would tell
>> them just what they could do with their old people's mobile phone.
>
> I must admit I had the same reaction when I read the above. But like
> Nick I'm not wanting to tell others how to react. (Especially if they
> bought it for you. Though the video about the iPad is tempting - but I
> can't think of a similar use one could make of something 'phone-shaped.)
>>
Does it have a vibrate function?

--
Ric

On 17/11/2023 13:43, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/37942209
>>
>> Nick
>
> For those unwilling to log into vimeo:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gQE0J00UE (that has subtitles too!)

A little tab opened in the corner of my screen inviting me to sign in to
Vimeo via my Google a/c but I ignored it and carried on watching the video.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 17/11/2023 14:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> I adopted ISO time (year-month-day) when I first got a digital watch;
> cheap ones (maybe all of them at that time) displayed the date in the
> American format, month-day, and rather than having to mentally switch
> every time I looked at it, I went for ISO. (Which has other advantages
> too.) [No way was I going to adopt the highly illogical month-day-year.]

I've never understood why Americans are so hooked on month-day-year
because 04-Jan-1945 (for eg) is so much clearer than Jan-04-1945, where
all the numbers are grouped together.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

Nick Odell wrote:

>I'm glad you are saying that you fell and not being complicit with the
>people who say "S/he had a fall" and all the baggage that comes with.
>I have been falling over since I was about eighteen months old -
>although there might be comparisons to be made with the reasons I fell
>then and fall now,

There is an area in Loughborough that has been pedestrianised,
road and pavement all given the same block paving, and level,
apart from where the bus stop had been, where the kerb remained.
I didn't notice, stepped off and toppled, landing with my back
against the kerb.

I guess I wasn't the only casualty, as they have now installed a
row of shiny bollards.

<https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZYutQNgtXVq44YAg6>

If you move the viewpoint forward, you will see older shots
before pedestrianisation and without the bollards.

The incident happened just before Christmas in 2018, IIRC. My
back was very painful for a few days, but gradually recovered.

As a Biobank participant I was invited for some sophisticated
scanning, which was done in 2019.

They subsequently had notified my GP that I needed further
investigation for bone density. They also spotted a couple of
healed fractures of vertebral processes (the sticky-out bits), so
it had been more than a little bruising! I doubt if there would
have been any different treatment, even if I had known.

Eventually diagnosed with osteoporosis, and treated.

Definitely not "having falls".

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

In message <krph6cF7q9vU2@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
16:03:23, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>On 17/11/2023 13:43, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/37942209
>>>
>>> Nick
>> For those unwilling to log into vimeo:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gQE0J00UE (that has subtitles too!)
>
>A little tab opened in the corner of my screen inviting me to sign in
>to Vimeo via my Google a/c but I ignored it and carried on watching the
>video.
>
Yes, I got that; I didn't realise it could just be dismissed (I've just
tried). Mind you, the strip across the bottom obscured the play button,
but scrolling down revealed that.

(Both the Vimeo and YouTube versions had the wrong aspect ratio, but I'm
used to that.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

In message <uj7uo4$2r9kb$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:52:52,
Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> writes
>On 17/11/2023 14:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>> I must admit I had the same reaction when I read the above. But like
>>Nick I'm not wanting to tell others how to react. (Especially if they
>>bought it for you. Though the video about the iPad is tempting - but I
>>can't think of a similar use one could make of something 'phone-shaped.)
>>>
>Does it have a vibrate function?
>
LOL!

[You were, of course, thinking of using it to stir ingredients, or
similar. (-:]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

In message <krphcoF7q9vU3@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
16:06:46, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>On 17/11/2023 14:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> I adopted ISO time (year-month-day) when I first got a digital watch;
>>cheap ones (maybe all of them at that time) displayed the date in the
>>American format, month-day, and rather than having to mentally switch
>>every time I looked at it, I went for ISO. (Which has other advantages
>>too.) [No way was I going to adopt the highly illogical month-day-year.]
>
>I've never understood why Americans are so hooked on month-day-year
>because 04-Jan-1945 (for eg) is so much clearer than Jan-04-1945, where
>all the numbers are grouped together.

To be fair, it did occur to me that, when the month is actually written
out in letters (even only three of them), it's less odd - in fact I
think UK sometimes wrote dates in the form "April 23rd, 1960" rather
than the other way. But when all numbers, it seems very odd.

It has also amused me that they refer to their national day the British
way round. "Born on ..."
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

On 16-Nov-23 0:47, Penny wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 19:46:16 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> scrawled in
> the dust...
>
>> And even now you can buy things like a microwave oven which can _only_
>> 'do' a 12 hour clock. (Why?)
>
> Huh! My latest microwave will only function for a maximum of 5 minutes at a
> time. Makes heating up things like frozen fish pie (I'd never go to the
> faff of making one but it's a good standby at the end of a busy day)
> annoying when the instructions ask for 8 or 9mins.
>
> At least it didn't force me to set up the clock. There are too many clocks
> in my kitchen, only two of them show the actual time, three if you count
> the boiler control (which currently thinks Thursday is Saturday).

Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years, and I never set the clock
on that.
When we finally had to get a new one a couple of months back, I decided
to set its clock - to help it feel more at home and part of things.

Our cooker has a 24 hour clock, but it calls midnight "24:00" - very
strange.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:17:56 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:58:43 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:40:56 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>>>scrawled in the dust...
>>>
>>>>I adopted the 24 hour clock in the early 80s when we got our first video
>>>>recorder in order to set it correctly.
>>>
>>>I'm quite happy with the 24 hour clock, though I have to translate it in my
>>>head to make sense of it. My new mobile phone (my children insisted I get
>>>one* - I now need to remember to actually carry it with me) offered the
>>>option of switching itself on and off automagically. Seemed like a good
>>>idea for battery saving, so I set it up for 7am ON and 10 OFF. It doesn't
>>>display 24 hour time (probably my fault) and it was several days before I
>>>realised it was turning off at 10am, and many more days before I tracked
>>>down the menu to correct.
>>>
>>>*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>>>putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>>>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>>>on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>>>emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>>>or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>>>giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>>>floor and set it off :(
>>>Not impressed.
>>>
>>>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>>step.
>>I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
>>I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
>>close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
>>fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
>>phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
>>months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
>>nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
>>faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.
>
>You are obviously not using the iPad right. Here - this instruction
>video ought to help. It's only 34 seconds long and the soundtrack is
>in German but it could transform your experience.
>
>https://vimeo.com/37942209
>
>Nick
Too much rubbish joining vimeo. I gave up at the third page and menu
asking a/c and passwd

On 17-Nov-23 11:49, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 16/11/2023 00:47, Penny wrote:
>> Huh! My latest microwave will only function for a maximum of 5 minutes
>> at a
>> time. Makes heating up things like frozen fish pie (I'd never go to the
>> faff of making one but it's a good standby at the end of a busy day)
>> annoying when the instructions ask for 8 or 9mins.
>
> My latest microwave, which I've had for about a year, I'd guess, allows
> me to press just one "button" (1), the appropriate number for cooking
> for 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 minutes.  For anything else it's a series of
> presses.  Needless to say, I almost never set it to cook for less than a
> round number of minutes between 1 and 5, repeating the press or cutting
> cooking short by opening the door!
>
> (1) Not actual buttons, of course.

Do those buttons need a _really_ hard press to make them work?
Any setting which needs repeated presses hurts my fingers[1].

[1] I try to share out the work, so no one finger suffers too much.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:43:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <cspelih9p9ks4f71nuvbtih7m1mkj5j0q3@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>2023 13:17:56, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:58:43 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>[]
>>>I got an ipad fron B in September for my birthday. As with the iphone
>>>I struggle to use it. I touch the cross in the corner of a popup to
>>>close it and may have to several times. I can't log in with
>>>fingerprint on either device. We tried all fingers when I got the
>>>phone a few years ago. Also I had to give fingerprints a couple of
>>>months ago at the Austrian embassy and they were not clear. The very
>>>nice assistant said older people have trouble often as prints get
>>>faded. It seems to affect ipad/phone use too.
>>
>>You are obviously not using the iPad right. Here - this instruction
>>video ought to help. It's only 34 seconds long and the soundtrack is
>>in German but it could transform your experience.
>>
>>https://vimeo.com/37942209
>>
>>Nick
>
>For those unwilling to log into vimeo:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gQE0J00UE (that has subtitles too!)
thanks. no sound

On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
> 10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
> (I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
> that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
> still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
> especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
> kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
> nobody has given it any thought!

Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-person
who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards whilst
looking at the ground).

I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
set a short length of time.
I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
minute seems a tad too much.

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <9htelilplhoqh8pvh0p2hjbnpbm8i3ccr9@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
2023 14:36:27, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>10-15 years
><snip>
>
>I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
>then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to

The 10-15 was just a guess; I just know I have had to replace one. But
that was s/h anyway.

>undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
>readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
>there and works.

My blind friends are (last time I was there) still using a Tandy one.
>
>Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
>call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
>working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
>of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
>not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
>at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
>oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.

Yes, if you didn't replace your porridge oats, you'd have gone hungry.
>
>It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
>inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
>shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
>not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
>40 years.
>
>Nick

Needless to say, I hope you didn't power it with the covers off. I've no
idea what the radiation pattern of a magnetron is under such
circumstances, but I imagine it could be dangerous or lethal.

(Mine have never had a panel light, though they do have an internal
one.)

Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
more sensible idea.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

In message <XDN5N.1521$_f8d.738@fx40.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:44:22,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
[]
>Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years, and I never set the clock
>on that.
>When we finally had to get a new one a couple of months back, I decided
>to set its clock - to help it feel more at home and part of things.
>
>Our cooker has a 24 hour clock, but it calls midnight "24:00" - very
>strange.
>
Does it carry on with 24:01 to 24:59, or 0:01 to 0:59?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
-- Abraham Lincoln quoted by Mark Lloyd in alt.windows7.general 2018-12-27

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:16:00 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>Nick Odell wrote:
>
>>I'm glad you are saying that you fell and not being complicit with the
>>people who say "S/he had a fall" and all the baggage that comes with.
>>I have been falling over since I was about eighteen months old -
>>although there might be comparisons to be made with the reasons I fell
>>then and fall now,
>
>There is an area in Loughborough that has been pedestrianised,
>road and pavement all given the same block paving, and level,
>apart from where the bus stop had been, where the kerb remained.
>I didn't notice, stepped off and toppled, landing with my back
>against the kerb.
>
>I guess I wasn't the only casualty, as they have now installed a
>row of shiny bollards.
>
><https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZYutQNgtXVq44YAg6>
>
>If you move the viewpoint forward, you will see older shots
>before pedestrianisation and without the bollards.
>
>The incident happened just before Christmas in 2018, IIRC. My
>back was very painful for a few days, but gradually recovered.
>
>As a Biobank participant I was invited for some sophisticated
>scanning, which was done in 2019.
>
>They subsequently had notified my GP that I needed further
>investigation for bone density. They also spotted a couple of
>healed fractures of vertebral processes (the sticky-out bits), so
>it had been more than a little bruising! I doubt if there would
>have been any different treatment, even if I had known.
>
>Eventually diagnosed with osteoporosis, and treated.
>
>Definitely not "having falls".
>
>Chris
I tripped in an alley between Carnaby St and another St on the way to
Hamleys to compile grandson's Christmas wish list. There was a bit
sticking out and a girl rushing past me, we tried to avoid each other
and I fell. I got woozy with pain and daughter called 999 and an
undercover cop came first! He was lovely.Then uniform one came too and
they found me a chair and grandson got a sticker.Plain clothes needed
to go back to his op and we agreed daughter would get taxi and put me
on train at Euston to Watford, not go to London A&E and b met me.

In message <SNN5N.1523$_f8d.467@fx40.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>>me is that that sort must have been being made for some decades - and
>>yet they still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily
>>turnable, especially if you have something on your hands as you might
>>well in a kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis);
>>obviously nobody has given it any thought!
>
>Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-

Good lateral thinking! Shouldn't be necessary, though (and looks untidy,
for those who worry about such things), when using a different shape of
knob wouldn't cost any more.

>person who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards
>whilst looking at the ground).

(-:
>
>I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>set a short length of time.

I concede that point. (Mince pies say 10 seconds a pie, max. 30 [though
I find 20 seconds better for one pie].) However, I think due to what I
did in employment, I can count seconds accurately enough for that.

>I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>minute seems a tad too much.
>
Interesting! (I put cold milk in coffee.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
-- Abraham Lincoln quoted by Mark Lloyd in alt.windows7.general 2018-12-27

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <9htelilplhoqh8pvh0p2hjbnpbm8i3ccr9@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>2023 14:36:27, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>10-15 years
>><snip>
>>
>>I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
>>then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to
>
>The 10-15 was just a guess; I just know I have had to replace one. But
>that was s/h anyway.
>
>>undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
>>readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
>>there and works.
>
>My blind friends are (last time I was there) still using a Tandy one.
>>
>>Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
>>call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
>>working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
>>of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
>>not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
>>at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
>>oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.
>
>Yes, if you didn't replace your porridge oats, you'd have gone hungry.
>>
>>It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
>>inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
>>shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
>>not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
>>40 years.
>>
>>Nick
>
>Needless to say, I hope you didn't power it with the covers off. I've no
>idea what the radiation pattern of a magnetron is under such
>circumstances, but I imagine it could be dangerous or lethal.
>
>(Mine have never had a panel light, though they do have an internal
>one.)
>
>Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>more sensible idea.

Fortunately, I do have some idea of the radiation pattern of a
magnetron and as soon as I get my sight back and my brain cools down,
I'm sure I'll be perfectly fine.

Nick

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>> 10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
>> (I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
>> that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
>> still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
>> especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
>> kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
>> nobody has given it any thought!
>
>Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-person
>who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards whilst
>looking at the ground).
>
>I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>set a short length of time.
>I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>minute seems a tad too much.

My 40-something microwave has a rotary dial timer which is marked in
units which some people believe are minutes. I know they are not. So
my way of warming milk for coffee is to put it in, twiddle the knob,
watch it for a while then go, hmmm that looks about right, turn it off
and take the milk out.

Nick

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>> 10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
>>> (I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
>>> that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
>>> still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
>>> especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
>>> kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
>>> nobody has given it any thought!
>>
>> Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-person
>> who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards whilst
>> looking at the ground).
>>
>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>> set a short length of time.
>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>> minute seems a tad too much.
>
> My 40-something microwave has a rotary dial timer which is marked in
> units which some people believe are minutes. I know they are not. So
> my way of warming milk for coffee is to put it in, twiddle the knob,
> watch it for a while then go, hmmm that looks about right, turn it off
> and take the milk out.
>
> Nick
>

The Great British Milk-Off?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 18/11/2023 08:55, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>> 10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
>>>> (I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
>>>> that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
>>>> still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
>>>> especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
>>>> kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
>>>> nobody has given it any thought!
>>>
>>> Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-person
>>> who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards whilst
>>> looking at the ground).
>>>
>>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>>> set a short length of time.
>>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>>> minute seems a tad too much.
>>
>> My 40-something microwave has a rotary dial timer which is marked in
>> units which some people believe are minutes. I know they are not. So
>> my way of warming milk for coffee is to put it in, twiddle the knob,
>> watch it for a while then go, hmmm that looks about right, turn it off
>> and take the milk out.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> The Great British Milk-Off?
>

Milk's off, Luv.

I'll make cheese, then.

john

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>more sensible idea.

Our NEFF multipurpose oven (1) has no turntable, and this is
really useful when melting two plates of cheese on toast, for
instance.

As it is about 15 years old, I suppose I can't claim that it is
in fashion. ;-)

(1) We seldom actually use much besides the microwave function,
and also have a full-size oven, as can be seen here:
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.20423847331&type=3>

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 17/11/2023 17:49, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> Do those buttons need a _really_ hard press to make them work?
> Any setting which needs repeated presses hurts my fingers[1].
>
> [1] I try to share out the work, so no one finger suffers too much.

I curl my index finger and use the knuckle, which almost always works
first time, whereas trying to press hard enough with a flabby finger tip
sometimes requires a few attempts.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,

I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
and met a microwave for the first time. This would have been early
1970s. I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
home.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK