Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>> more sensible idea.
>
> Our NEFF multipurpose oven (1) has no turntable, and this is
> really useful when melting two plates of cheese on toast, for
> instance.
>
> As it is about 15 years old, I suppose I can't claim that it is
> in fashion. ;-)
>
> (1) We seldom actually use much besides the microwave function,
> and also have a full-size oven, as can be seen here:
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.20423847331&type=3>
>
> Chris

We bought a Neff combination microwave cooker / oven about a year ago. This
cooker does not have a turntable but does have that extra width and as you
say, can accommodate two plates side by side - very useful Sitting above it
is the Sharp(e)? microwave cooker / oven; that has a turntable (rather
noisy but effective but lacks the width of the Neff. I can put baking
dishes in the Neff that are substantially (5? cms.) wider than the
Sharp(e)? Can accommodate. Now we have an air fryer, small roasts can be
done in that! (9 litre capacity) seeing as how noRat asked.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>
> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
> and met a microwave for the first time. This would have been early
> 1970s. I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
> home.
>

Not everyone wanted to melt chocolate in the jacket pocket.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 08:55, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>>> 10-15 years; UMRA knows the extent of my cooking, so that's all I need.
>>>>> (I don't even use one of the knobs.) One thing that irritates me is that
>>>>> that sort must have been being made for some decades - and yet they
>>>>> still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily turnable,
>>>>> especially if you have something on your hands as you might well in a
>>>>> kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as arthritis); obviously
>>>>> nobody has given it any thought!
>>>>
>>>> Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-person
>>>> who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few yards whilst
>>>> looking at the ground).
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>>>> set a short length of time.
>>>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>>>> minute seems a tad too much.
>>>
>>> My 40-something microwave has a rotary dial timer which is marked in
>>> units which some people believe are minutes. I know they are not. So
>>> my way of warming milk for coffee is to put it in, twiddle the knob,
>>> watch it for a while then go, hmmm that looks about right, turn it off
>>> and take the milk out.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>> The Great British Milk-Off?
>>
>
> Milk's off, Luv.
>
> I'll make cheese, then.
>
> john
>

Cheese is extra Luv!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 18.11.23 10:33, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>
> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
> and met a microwave for the first time.  This would have been early
> 1970s.  I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
> home.
>

I think I first met one in a pub in about 1972, used for pasty heating
in a pub.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>more sensible idea.

My mother had a microwave oven without a turntable[1] but with a
rotating metal paddle at the top which bounced the microwaves around
the chamber to ensure all the food got hot. My microwave oven has a
turntable[1] and, above the fibreglass false top, it also has a
rotating paddle. Luxury!

Nick
[1]I can't see the point of the turntable myself - who plays records
at 5rpm?

On 17/11/2023 17:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <krphcoF7q9vU3@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
> 16:06:46, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>> On 17/11/2023 14:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> I adopted ISO time (year-month-day) when I first got a digital watch;
>>> cheap ones (maybe all of them at that time) displayed the date in the
>>> American format, month-day, and rather than having to mentally switch
>>> every time I looked at it, I went for ISO. (Which has other
>>> advantages too.) [No way was I going to adopt the highly illogical
>>> month-day-year.]
>>
>> I've never understood why Americans are so hooked on month-day-year
>> because 04-Jan-1945 (for eg) is so much clearer than Jan-04-1945,
>> where all the numbers are grouped together.
>
> To be fair, it did occur to me that, when the month is actually written
> out in letters (even only three of them), it's less odd - in fact I
> think UK sometimes wrote dates in the form "April 23rd, 1960" rather
> than the other way. But when all numbers, it seems very odd.

I assume that's where the US format originated. When I was young, it
was normal to write, or say, dates in that format, when the month was
named in words. When they were specified in numbers though, it was
always in what's now the UK preferred format.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. How does Moses make tea?
A. Hebrews it.

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>> more sensible idea.
>
> My mother had a microwave oven without a turntable[1] but with a
> rotating metal paddle at the top which bounced the microwaves around
> the chamber to ensure all the food got hot. My microwave oven has a
> turntable[1] and, above the fibreglass false top, it also has a
> rotating paddle. Luxury!
>
> Nick
> [1]I can't see the point of the turntable myself - who plays records
> at 5rpm?
>

Music for Microwaves:

Hot, Hot, Hot.

Anything by Hot Chocolate.

Baby, it’s cold outside.

Drink to me only…

Over to UMRA…

Oh! Warm I doing in here?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:46:10 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
scrawled in the dust...

>On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:38:02 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>>*I had a fall** (which I eventually told them about) late one evening when
>>putting the food bin out. Doubt I would have thought to pick up the mobile
>>for this task. It's a 'seniors' phone (so all the text is difficult to see
>>on the tiny display screen because the text is too large) and has an
>>emergency button which automatically calls them both if I press it 3 times
>>or for 3 seconds. Said alarm first called d2 the other day while she was
>>giving a presentation at work. I was in a public loo and my jeans hit the
>>floor and set it off :(
>>Not impressed.
>>
>First, I'm very glad to see you back here again and hope any damage is
>diminishing or already gone.
>
>Second, and I am really, really not chasing any bad taste nominations
>here but if you are happy that your children appesr to be involving
>themselves in these aspects of your life in these ways then that's
>absolutely fine but I would absolutely hate it if my friends or family
>tried to limit what I could or should do and I'm afraid I would tell
>them just what they could do with their old people's mobile phone.

I do understand their concern as neither lives close to me (and want me to
move - more of a bone, that one). The phone thing occurred because, knowing
I didn't have a phone which worked reliably, d2 bought me one for my
birthday. I was horrified at the size of the thing and not very happy about
learning to use a complex phone which did far more than I felt I needed.
Several months later, she told me about this clam-shell one which two of my
good friends in her neck of the woods used, and said she would be happy to
have the other one back for her youngest to use. So I bought one.

I have grumbles, but do appreciate the ease (and cheapness) of making phone
calls (thanks to dancing Chris's recommendations) and one day may remember
to put it in my pocket every time I leave the house. Falling over in the
garden has been a fear of mine for years, since a close friend was found by
her husband when he returned from work. She might have survived had she
been able to call for help.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:05:25 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>>>**Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>>step.
>Hmm, "had a fall" you mean? Yes, it does have a slight "old person"
>vibe, but I'm trying to think what phrase I could use that isn't that
>one. "Fell" isn't quite it.

Fell over.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <9htelilplhoqh8pvh0p2hjbnpbm8i3ccr9@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>> 2023 14:36:27, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>> 10-15 years
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
>>> then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to
>>
>> The 10-15 was just a guess; I just know I have had to replace one. But
>> that was s/h anyway.
>>
>>> undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
>>> readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
>>> there and works.
>>
>> My blind friends are (last time I was there) still using a Tandy one.
>>>
>>> Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
>>> call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
>>> working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
>>> of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
>>> not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
>>> at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
>>> oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.
>>
>> Yes, if you didn't replace your porridge oats, you'd have gone hungry.
>>>
>>> It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
>>> inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
>>> shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
>>> not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
>>> 40 years.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> Needless to say, I hope you didn't power it with the covers off. I've no
>> idea what the radiation pattern of a magnetron is under such
>> circumstances, but I imagine it could be dangerous or lethal.
>>
>> (Mine have never had a panel light, though they do have an internal
>> one.)
>>
>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>> more sensible idea.
>
> Fortunately, I do have some idea of the radiation pattern of a
> magnetron and as soon as I get my sight back and my brain cools down,
> I'm sure I'll be perfectly fine.
>
> Nick
>

Who or what has stolen your sight, Nick? I hope Liliana’s at your beck and
call. Get well soon!

Mrs McT

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>> more sensible idea.
>
> Our NEFF multipurpose oven (1) has no turntable, and this is
> really useful when melting two plates of cheese on toast, for
> instance.
>
> As it is about 15 years old, I suppose I can't claim that it is
> in fashion. ;-)
>
> (1) We seldom actually use much besides the microwave function,
> and also have a full-size oven, as can be seen here:
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.20423847331&type=3>
>
> Chris

Your Neff is our Sharp.

Mrs McT

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>
> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
> and met a microwave for the first time. This would have been early
> 1970s. I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
> home.
>

We met our first one in the capable hands of Mike’s older sister, Easter
1985. Our first holiday with them on the IOW. Her daughter was around six
months old, Wunderkind just over a year. We came home and bought our first
microwave, a Toshiba. I still have the recipe book : from whence came the
microwave recipe used for our xmas puds, wot I’ll be gathering up
ingredients for this week that I expect to make when Himself isn’t needing
the kitchen. They’ll sleep in the freezer till needed.

Mrs

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>
>>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>>
>> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
>> and met a microwave for the first time. This would have been early
>> 1970s. I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
>> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
>> home.
>>
>
> We met our first one in the capable hands of Mike’s older sister, Easter
> 1985. Our first holiday with them on the IOW. Her daughter was around six
> months old, Wunderkind just over a year. We came home and bought our first
> microwave, a Toshiba. I still have the recipe book : from whence came the
> microwave recipe used for our xmas puds, wot I’ll be gathering up
> ingredients for this week that I expect to make when Himself isn’t needing
> the kitchen. They’ll sleep in the freezer till needed.
>
> Mrs
>
>

In case anyRat is wondering why they go in the freezer; it is because they
are a very fruity but light pudding that doesn’t take to room temperature
storage for more than a few days without starting to grow a grey beard…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:54:59 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

>On 18.11.23 10:33, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>
>>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>>
>> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
>> and met a microwave for the first time.  This would have been early
>> 1970s.  I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
>> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
>> home.
>>
>
>I think I first met one in a pub in about 1972, used for pasty heating
>in a pub.

The pub I worked in in 1970 had a fancy heating device for toasted
sandwiches on the bar. As the sandwich had to be prepared in the kitchen,
two rooms away, it was really an inconvenient gimmick.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <9htelilplhoqh8pvh0p2hjbnpbm8i3ccr9@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>>> 2023 14:36:27, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>>> 10-15 years
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
>>>> then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to
>>>
>>> The 10-15 was just a guess; I just know I have had to replace one. But
>>> that was s/h anyway.
>>>
>>>> undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
>>>> readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
>>>> there and works.
>>>
>>> My blind friends are (last time I was there) still using a Tandy one.
>>>>
>>>> Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
>>>> call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
>>>> working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
>>>> of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
>>>> not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
>>>> at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
>>>> oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.
>>>
>>> Yes, if you didn't replace your porridge oats, you'd have gone hungry.
>>>>
>>>> It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
>>>> inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
>>>> shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
>>>> not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
>>>> 40 years.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Needless to say, I hope you didn't power it with the covers off. I've no
>>> idea what the radiation pattern of a magnetron is under such
>>> circumstances, but I imagine it could be dangerous or lethal.
>>>
>>> (Mine have never had a panel light, though they do have an internal
>>> one.)
>>>
>>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>>> more sensible idea.
>>
>> Fortunately, I do have some idea of the radiation pattern of a
>> magnetron and as soon as I get my sight back and my brain cools down,
>> I'm sure I'll be perfectly fine.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> Who or what has stolen your sight, Nick? I hope Liliana’s at your beck and
> call. Get well soon!
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

McT has spelt it out. Think it got my brain, not your eyes

Mrs McT

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:18:10 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:48:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <9htelilplhoqh8pvh0p2hjbnpbm8i3ccr9@4ax.com> at Fri, 17 Nov
>>> 2023 14:36:27, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:52:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> I don't buy microwaves expensive enough to have a clock; I buy
>>>>> bottom-of-the-range ones, the sort with just two knobs - they last me
>>>>> 10-15 years
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> I bought my current microwave oven in 1986. It was second hand even
>>>> then so I have no idea how old it really is. True, I've had to
>>>
>>> The 10-15 was just a guess; I just know I have had to replace one. But
>>> that was s/h anyway.
>>>
>>>> undertake some fairly drastic remedial action when it has gone wrong -
>>>> readers of uk.d-i-y know all about this - but mostly it just sits
>>>> there and works.
>>>
>>> My blind friends are (last time I was there) still using a Tandy one.
>>>>
>>>> Last week I changed the two pigmy lightbulbs (are we still allowed to
>>>> call them that?) The one behind the display panel must have stopped
>>>> working a couple of years ago - I have a fairly recent video recording
>>>> of the display panel lighting up and an even more recent one of it
>>>> not. (What? Doesn't everybody else video record their microwave ovens
>>>> at work?) But then the internal light stopped working and my porridge
>>>> oats boiled over so I thought I ought to replace it.
>>>
>>> Yes, if you didn't replace your porridge oats, you'd have gone hungry.
>>>>
>>>> It involved removing all the microwave oven's external coverings and
>>>> inside I found a lightbulb of short stature which in its last gasp had
>>>> shattered all its completely blackened glass shards everywhere. Still,
>>>> not bad for an incandescent lightbulb which had been in use for over
>>>> 40 years.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Needless to say, I hope you didn't power it with the covers off. I've no
>>> idea what the radiation pattern of a magnetron is under such
>>> circumstances, but I imagine it could be dangerous or lethal.
>>>
>>> (Mine have never had a panel light, though they do have an internal
>>> one.)
>>>
>>> Microwaves with a rotating antenna, rather than a turntable, seem to
>>> have gone out of fashion; I never understood why, as that seemed a much
>>> more sensible idea.
>>
>> Fortunately, I do have some idea of the radiation pattern of a
>> magnetron and as soon as I get my sight back and my brain cools down,
>> I'm sure I'll be perfectly fine.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>Who or what has stolen your sight, Nick? I hope Liliana’s at your beck and
>call. Get well soon!
>
That was meant to be a joke, Chris, so sorry to have alarmed you. The
truth is in the first part - I do have some idea about radiation
patterns from microwave devices because I worked with advanced
microwave radar systems when I was a teenager. The stuff about
blindness and brain swelling was just me being silly.

Sorry,

Nick

On 17-Nov-23 7:08, Penny wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:05:25 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
> scrawled in the dust...
>
>>>> **Why is that the term used when you get to a certain age? I tripped over a
>>>> step.
>> Hmm, "had a fall" you mean? Yes, it does have a slight "old person"
>> vibe, but I'm trying to think what phrase I could use that isn't that
>> one. "Fell" isn't quite it.
>
> Fell over.

"I/He/She tripped" is pretty age-universal.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 17-Nov-23 17:49, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <XDN5N.1521$_f8d.738@fx40.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:44:22,
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes

>>
>> Our cooker has a 24 hour clock, but it calls midnight "24:00" - very
>> strange.
>>
> Does it carry on with 24:01 to 24:59, or 0:01 to 0:59?

The latter, happily - or who knows where things might lead?

--
Sam Plusnet

On 18-Nov-23 10:33, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 17:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> Our first microwave lasted for over 40 years,
>
> I remember when I was waitressing in a small cafe in the Lake District
> and met a microwave for the first time.  This would have been early
> 1970s.  I was very impressed and enquired why there weren't more of them
> about and was told they were far too expensive for people to have one at
> home.
>
Ours was the cheapest we could find - made from parts out of the reject
pile.
The klystron couldn't manage the (then) standard 650Watts, so we got a
600 Watt oven.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 18-Nov-23 17:24, Mike McMillan wrote:
> In case anyRat is wondering why they go in the freezer; it is because they
> are a very fruity but light pudding that doesn’t take to room temperature
> storage for more than a few days without starting to grow a grey beard…

Trying to be just like Daddy?

--
Sam Plusnet

On 18-Nov-23 15:18, Nick Odell wrote:

> [1]I can't see the point of the turntable myself - who plays records
> at 5rpm?

Especially as it changes direction every time you start it running.

P.S. Why do they do that?

--
Sam Plusnet

On 17-Nov-23 18:10, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <SNN5N.1523$_f8d.467@fx40.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57,
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>> On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> []
>>> me is that  that sort must have been being made for some decades -
>>> and yet they  still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily
>>> turnable,  especially if you have something on your hands as you
>>> might well in a  kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as
>>> arthritis); obviously  nobody has given it any thought!
>>
>> Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-
>
> Good lateral thinking! Shouldn't be necessary, though (and looks untidy,
> for those who worry about such things), when using a different shape of
> knob wouldn't cost any more.
>
>> person who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few
>> yards whilst looking at the ground).
>
> (-:
>>
>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>> set a short length of time.
>
> I concede that point. (Mince pies say 10 seconds a pie, max. 30 [though
> I find 20 seconds better for one pie].) However, I think due to what I
> did in employment, I can count seconds accurately enough for that.
>
>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>> minute seems a tad too much.
>>
> Interesting! (I put cold milk in coffee.)

I use roughly 50/50 espresso and hot milk.
Using cold milk in that would be... not nice.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 17-Nov-23 20:52, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>> set a short length of time.
>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>> minute seems a tad too much.
>
> My 40-something microwave has a rotary dial timer which is marked in
> units which some people believe are minutes. I know they are not. So
> my way of warming milk for coffee is to put it in, twiddle the knob,
> watch it for a while then go, hmmm that looks about right, turn it off
> and take the milk out.

We all seem to have our own coffee-making rituals.

Mine involves starting the microwave off to heat the milk whilst I walk
off to the other end of an adjacent room, to set off the espresso
machine[1].
Hence I need to rely on the timer to stop the microwave from
redecorating itself with superheated milk.

[1] The equipment placement is not _exactly_ what I think would be
ideal, but I don't rule the kitchen.

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Sam Plusnet

On 18-Nov-23 11:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 18/11/2023 08:55, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>>> The Great British Milk-Off?
>>>
>>
>> Milk's off, Luv.
>>
>> I'll make cheese, then.
>
> Cheese is extra Luv!

Especially Double Gloucester.

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Sam Plusnet

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 00:58:31 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 17-Nov-23 18:10, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <SNN5N.1523$_f8d.467@fx40.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:54:57,
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>> On 16-Nov-23 20:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> []
>>>> me is that  that sort must have been being made for some decades -
>>>> and yet they  still make them with smooth circular knobs (not easily
>>>> turnable,  especially if you have something on your hands as you
>>>> might well in a  kitchen - or by people with poor grip, such as
>>>> arthritis); obviously  nobody has given it any thought!
>>>
>>> Suitable sized elastic band around each knob - apply to your post-
>>
>> Good lateral thinking! Shouldn't be necessary, though (and looks untidy,
>> for those who worry about such things), when using a different shape of
>> knob wouldn't cost any more.
>>
>>> person who can supply them (or just retrace their steps for a few
>>> yards whilst looking at the ground).
>>
>> (-:
>>>
>>> I don't like the two-knob design, since it's impossible to accurately
>>> set a short length of time.
>>
>> I concede that point. (Mince pies say 10 seconds a pie, max. 30 [though
>> I find 20 seconds better for one pie].) However, I think due to what I
>> did in employment, I can count seconds accurately enough for that.
>>
>>> I heat a small amount of milk, to use in coffee, for 55 seconds - 1
>>> minute seems a tad too much.
>>>
>> Interesting! (I put cold milk in coffee.)
>
>I use roughly 50/50 espresso and hot milk.
>Using cold milk in that would be... not nice.

I heat milk 2/5 of a mug full in one too to have with expresso for 1
minute 20 seconds.