On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:53:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 02-Nov-23 22:51, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:22:49 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01-Nov-23 16:55, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> You lot think you had it bad? Biros were introduced at my second boarding
>>>> school the term I arrived. The biros were guarded like gold dust. They
>>>> were short and stubby and we had to return them to the teacher at the end
>>>> of each lesson. The other lessons were still fountain pens.
>>>
>>> At our school, use of biros was forbidden - except in 'Science' where it
>>> was compulsory.
>>> The Science teacher had a "Bic" branded rack of 30(ish) biros and we
>>> were all directed to take one at the start of the lesson, returning them
>>> at the end.
>>> No-one was allowed to leave until every biro was accounted for.
>>
>> Biro's - or rather Biromes - are very popular in Argentina and each
>> year September 29th is celebrated as Inventors' Day.
>
>That puzzled me.
>I knew László Bíró was Hungarian, so I didn't see the connection.
>I now understand.
>
>Thanks to Wikipedia, I now know that the Nepali English name for a biro
>is "dot pen" - and that Nepali English is a 'thing'.
>
>Yer lives & learns.

OMG! Did I really put an apostrophe in Biros?

The shame, the shame.

Nick

In message <6jubkidnd9o8evg8h5g0opfk6nqo3sl6vk@4ax.com> at Sat, 4 Nov
2023 08:02:58, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:53:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>>On 02-Nov-23 22:51, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:22:49 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01-Nov-23 16:55, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You lot think you had it bad? Biros were introduced at my second boarding
>>>>> school the term I arrived. The biros were guarded like gold dust. They
>>>>> were short and stubby and we had to return them to the teacher at the end
>>>>> of each lesson. The other lessons were still fountain pens.
>>>>
>>>> At our school, use of biros was forbidden - except in 'Science' where it
>>>> was compulsory.
>>>> The Science teacher had a "Bic" branded rack of 30(ish) biros and we
>>>> were all directed to take one at the start of the lesson, returning them
>>>> at the end.
>>>> No-one was allowed to leave until every biro was accounted for.
>>>
>>> Biro's - or rather Biromes - are very popular in Argentina and each
>>> year September 29th is celebrated as Inventors' Day.
>>
>>That puzzled me.
>>I knew László Bíró was Hungarian, so I didn't see the connection.
>>I now understand.
>>
>>Thanks to Wikipedia, I now know that the Nepali English name for a biro
>>is "dot pen" - and that Nepali English is a 'thing'.
>>
>>Yer lives & learns.
>
>OMG! Did I really put an apostrophe in Biros?
>
>The shame, the shame.
>
>Nick

Maybe you had a subconscious feel that it was an abbreviation/acronym.
(Some people argue that way over "photo's".)

Or, you were putting it in quotes because it's a proper/trade name, and
forgot the opening one (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vomit (I came, I saw, I was ill) - mik@saslimited.demon.co.uk, 1998

On 04/11/2023 08:02, Nick Odell wrote:
> OMG! Did I really put an apostrophe in Biros?
>
> The shame, the shame.

My daughter recently WhatsApped me a photo of part of a menu reading

"Cake's £2
Vegan Eaton Mess"

and said she thought it would amuse me. Amuse me? It made me MAD on 3
counts!
--
Jenny M Benson

In message <kqpc71F3hq8U1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 5 Nov 2023
11:22:09, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes
[]
>My daughter recently WhatsApped me a photo of part of a menu reading
>
>"Cake's £2
>Vegan Eaton Mess"
>
>and said she thought it would amuse me. Amuse me? It made me MAD on 3
>counts!

1. The "'s"
2. "Eaton"
Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
for my own sanity.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off
jury duty." CSI, 200x

On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> 1. The "'s"
> 2. "Eaton"
> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
> for my own sanity.)

No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.

(1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
vegetarian/vegan"?

--
Jenny M Benson

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
> (1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
> because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
> really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
> correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
> sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
> vegetarian/vegan"?

A huge global banquet, literally the ultimate carnival?

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> 1. The "'s"
>> 2. "Eaton"
>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>> for my own sanity.)
>
> No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
> object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>
> (1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
> because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
> really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
> correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
> sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
> vegetarian/vegan"?
>

Animal Farms spring up all over the place?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 11:52:40 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>In message <6jubkidnd9o8evg8h5g0opfk6nqo3sl6vk@4ax.com> at Sat, 4 Nov
>2023 08:02:58, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:53:57 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 02-Nov-23 22:51, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:22:49 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01-Nov-23 16:55, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You lot think you had it bad? Biros were introduced at my second boarding
>>>>>> school the term I arrived. The biros were guarded like gold dust. They
>>>>>> were short and stubby and we had to return them to the teacher at the end
>>>>>> of each lesson. The other lessons were still fountain pens.
>>>>>
>>>>> At our school, use of biros was forbidden - except in 'Science' where it
>>>>> was compulsory.
>>>>> The Science teacher had a "Bic" branded rack of 30(ish) biros and we
>>>>> were all directed to take one at the start of the lesson, returning them
>>>>> at the end.
>>>>> No-one was allowed to leave until every biro was accounted for.
>>>>
>>>> Biro's - or rather Biromes - are very popular in Argentina and each
>>>> year September 29th is celebrated as Inventors' Day.
>>>
>>>That puzzled me.
>>>I knew László Bíró was Hungarian, so I didn't see the connection.
>>>I now understand.
>>>
>>>Thanks to Wikipedia, I now know that the Nepali English name for a biro
>>>is "dot pen" - and that Nepali English is a 'thing'.
>>>
>>>Yer lives & learns.
>>
>>OMG! Did I really put an apostrophe in Biros?
>>
>>The shame, the shame.
>>
>>Nick
>
>Maybe you had a subconscious feel that it was an abbreviation/acronym.
>(Some people argue that way over "photo's".)
>
>Or, you were putting it in quotes because it's a proper/trade name, and
>forgot the opening one (-:

Nice of you to try and make excuses for me, John, but I'm afraid it
was nothing more or less than plain carelessness.

Nick

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson
<NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> 1. The "'s"
>> 2. "Eaton"
>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>> for my own sanity.)
>
>No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
>object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>
>(1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>vegetarian/vegan"?

This week the 13:45 Monday to Friday slot on Radio 4 (before TA so
therefore on topic, I presume) is all about the Culture Wars in the
Countryside. I can't look up the programme details right now because
I'm off line while typing this but I'm fairly sure that if it doesn't
interest you it will enrage you. After all, what's the point of
culture wars if they don't make people angry?

Nick

On Mon, 06 Nov 2023 15:10:23 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson
><NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. The "'s"
>>> 2. "Eaton"
>>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>>> for my own sanity.)
>>
>>No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
>>object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>>
>>(1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>>because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>>really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>>correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>>sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>>vegetarian/vegan"?
>
>This week the 13:45 Monday to Friday slot on Radio 4 (before TA so
>therefore on topic, I presume) is all about the Culture Wars in the
>Countryside. I can't look up the programme details right now because
>I'm off line while typing this but I'm fairly sure that if it doesn't
>interest you it will enrage you. After all, what's the point of
>culture wars if they don't make people angry?
>
>Nick

I caught a few minutes of the Food and Farming awards at about 3.30
today and some projects sounded useful. Maybe Adam could do more.

On 06-Nov-23 15:10, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson
> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. The "'s"
>>> 2. "Eaton"
>>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>>> for my own sanity.)
>>
>> No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
>> object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>>
>> (1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>> because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>> really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>> correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>> sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>> vegetarian/vegan"?
>
> This week the 13:45 Monday to Friday slot on Radio 4 (before TA so
> therefore on topic, I presume) is all about the Culture Wars in the
> Countryside. I can't look up the programme details right now because
> I'm off line while typing this but I'm fairly sure that if it doesn't
> interest you it will enrage you. After all, what's the point of
> culture wars if they don't make people angry?

A late friend of ours was terribly happy when a fox moved into her (very
large) garden. She would make a point of leaving food out for it/them.
She did this more as a statement of her cultural and political views
than any real fondness for that particular species.

She did live to see fox hunting banned, but only just.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 06/11/2023 17:30, Vicky wrote:
> I caught a few minutes of the Food and Farming awards at about 3.30
> today and some projects sounded useful. Maybe Adam could do more.

Don't forget that, nowadays, Adam is merely a farmhand at Bridge Farm,
so he only has limited scope for introducing new schemes.

--
Best wishes, Serena
You Must Learn from the Mistakes of Others. You Will Never Live Long
Enough to Make Them All Yourself (Various)

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:36:46 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 06-Nov-23 15:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson
>> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The "'s"
>>>> 2. "Eaton"
>>>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>>>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>>>> for my own sanity.)
>>>
>>> No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
>>> object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>>>
>>> (1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>>> because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>>> really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>>> correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>>> sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>>> vegetarian/vegan"?
>>
>> This week the 13:45 Monday to Friday slot on Radio 4 (before TA so
>> therefore on topic, I presume) is all about the Culture Wars in the
>> Countryside. I can't look up the programme details right now because
>> I'm off line while typing this but I'm fairly sure that if it doesn't
>> interest you it will enrage you. After all, what's the point of
>> culture wars if they don't make people angry?
>
>A late friend of ours was terribly happy when a fox moved into her (very
>large) garden. She would make a point of leaving food out for it/them.
>She did this more as a statement of her cultural and political views
>than any real fondness for that particular species.
>
>She did live to see fox hunting banned, but only just.

I like foxes, even though I lost hens to them twice when I lived in
Barnet, and we had a young one round here evenings a few years ago. I
almost never saw hum, but B did more often.

On 06-Nov-23 21:28, Vicky wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:36:46 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06-Nov-23 15:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson
>>> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/11/2023 19:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The "'s"
>>>>> 2. "Eaton"
>>>>> Not sure what the third is though, unless it's the concept of a vegan
>>>>> Eton mess. (Or the Title Case, but I've given up on being mad about that
>>>>> for my own sanity.)
>>>>
>>>> No real objection (1) to veganism if that's what people choose, but I
>>>> object very strongly to "vegan cream" and "vegan bacon" etc.
>>>>
>>>> (1) A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>>>> because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>>>> really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>>>> correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>>>> sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>>>> vegetarian/vegan"?
>>>
>>> This week the 13:45 Monday to Friday slot on Radio 4 (before TA so
>>> therefore on topic, I presume) is all about the Culture Wars in the
>>> Countryside. I can't look up the programme details right now because
>>> I'm off line while typing this but I'm fairly sure that if it doesn't
>>> interest you it will enrage you. After all, what's the point of
>>> culture wars if they don't make people angry?
>>
>> A late friend of ours was terribly happy when a fox moved into her (very
>> large) garden. She would make a point of leaving food out for it/them.
>> She did this more as a statement of her cultural and political views
>> than any real fondness for that particular species.
>>
>> She did live to see fox hunting banned, but only just.
>
> I like foxes, even though I lost hens to them twice when I lived in
> Barnet, and we had a young one round here evenings a few years ago. I
> almost never saw hum, but B did more often.

The "trailcam" we have set up to watch the hedgehogs in the garden, also
shows other visitors.
The young fox who visits almost every night tends to get chased by
cat(s) from one of the houses over the road.
One cat definitely chases it, whilst we once saw the fox trot (a tad
nervously) from stage left to stage right - with another cat stalking
after it a couple of seconds later.

Fox, cats and hedgehogs all _seem_ to get on fairly well.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 23:53:33 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>> I like foxes, even though I lost hens to them twice when I lived in
>> Barnet, and we had a young one round here evenings a few years ago. I
>> almost never saw hum, but B did more often.
>
>The "trailcam" we have set up to watch the hedgehogs in the garden, also
>shows other visitors.
>The young fox who visits almost every night tends to get chased by
>cat(s) from one of the houses over the road.
>One cat definitely chases it, whilst we once saw the fox trot (a tad
>nervously) from stage left to stage right - with another cat stalking
>after it a couple of seconds later.
>
>Fox, cats and hedgehogs all _seem_ to get on fairly well.
>
>--
>Sam Plusnet

I had 4 hens and we shut them in their little run/house at night. The
fox got them and the next 4 I got too.

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:45:28 +0000, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>A lot of people, I believe, espouse vegetarianism or veganism
>because of "cruelty to animals" issues. My thought is that if one
>really believes one's choice is the correct one, it should be considered
>correct for everyone and NOW. So what happens to all the pigs, cows,
>sheep etc. if everyone wakes up to-morrow and says "from now on I am
>vegetarian/vegan"?

The grass would not get nibbled down, much of the countryside would look
wrong. Who would mow Wales?

I wonder if there are useful vegetables which would grow on the high hills
to keep people fed. Maybe we'd have pollytunnels everywere instead.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 6.11.23 20:07, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 06/11/2023 17:30, Vicky wrote:
>> I caught a few minutes of the Food and Farming awards at about 3.30
>> today and some projects sounded useful.  Maybe Adam could do more.
>
> Don't forget that, nowadays, Adam is merely a farmhand at Bridge Farm,
> so he only has limited scope for introducing new schemes.
>

Edible forest was his idea and implemented in hours as I recall.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics