On 10/23/2023 4:03 AM, Higgins wrote:
> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
>> Higgins wrote:
>>
>>> Mind you, I also discovered that I like caviar.
>>
>> Just Caviar or other kinds of roe too?
>>
> Never tried any others but I won’t hesitate in future.
>
Japanese sushi bars can serve excellent roe.

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:06:50 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 21/10/2023 08:57, Alan Lee wrote:
>>
>> Just a small indulgence that could turn into a decent investment, but if
>> not, I've still got 200+ bottles of nice whisky at the end of the 10 years.
>
>I did this a while ago, with the goal of getting some nice whisky rather
>than as an investment opportunity.
>
>A group of 10 of us bought a barrel between us, total cost after 10
>years including bottling, duty, etc. (and hiring a van to go to Islay to
>bottle it ourselves) was about £20 a bottle.
>
>Some of the group were no longer in a position to drink by the time it
>was ready, so sold off their share. Last seen selling online for £300 a
>bottle.

You might remember me selling off a couple of bottlings of my cousin's
Longrow some years ago. A triumph of underground railway, largely
thanks to Simon Wilson's capacious living room!

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On 23/10/2023 12:28, Eddie wrote:
>> Exactly what I want. I've never had any ready cash in my life, so this
>> is a rare opportunity. The Distillery (Annandale) dont give any
>> guarantees, but overall, I cannot really lose (unless they go bust,
>> but even then, I think I still own that barrel). Their current best
>> whisky is selling, retail, at £300 a bottle (I also get one of those
>> for free, when I go to fill the barrel), so even at £25 a bottle for
>> bottling, I cannot really go wrong. If I sell half of it, keep half, I
>> should still make a good profit, and have 100 bottles left.
>
> Is that £25 a bottle, total cost? That's very reasonable these days.

No, Ive just paid £3.2k for 200 litres, in real life that should be 220
750ml bottles. Bottling and duty has to be paid when it has matured,
after 7 to 10 years (or longer).Roughly £25 a bottle extra at todays rates.
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 07:20:31 -0000 (UTC), Higgins
<the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:

>I don’t particularly like vodka but, when I went to Kazakhstan, I brought
>back a bottle of Kazakh vodka just because I could and found it to be
>excellent.
>
>Mind you, I also discovered that I like caviar.

On my single visit to Russia, we really enjoyed getting rounds of
vodka & caviar as part of the apres ski. Each time it came to less
than a tenner for half a dozen people :-)
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On 23/10/2023 12:06, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 10:06, Eddie wrote:
>>> Just a small indulgence that could turn into a decent investment, but
>>> if not, I've still got 200+ bottles of nice whisky at the end of the
>>> 10 years.
>>
>> I did this a while ago, with the goal of getting some nice whisky
>> rather than as an investment opportunity.
>>
>> A group of 10 of us bought a barrel between us, total cost after 10
>> years including bottling, duty, etc. (and hiring a van to go to Islay
>> to bottle it ourselves) was about £20 a bottle.
>>
>> Some of the group were no longer in a position to drink by the time it
>> was ready, so sold off their share. Last seen selling online for £300
>> a bottle.
>
> Exactly what I want. I've never had any ready cash in my life, so this
> is a rare opportunity. The Distillery (Annandale) dont give any
> guarantees, but overall, I cannot really lose (unless they go bust, but
> even then, I think I still own that barrel). Their current best whisky
> is selling, retail, at £300 a bottle (I also get one of those for free,
> when I go to fill the barrel), so even at £25 a bottle for bottling, I
> cannot really go wrong. If I sell half of it, keep half, I should still
> make a good profit, and have 100 bottles left.

Just remember that the retail price includes a 50% markup from the shop
and VAT. So you might get somewhere between 100 and 150 per bottle.

And if you're thinking of selling them direct you'll need to obtain a
license or get someone who already holds a licence to sell for you (at
what cost I've no idea - perhaps they'll do it for a few bottles if
they're an aficionado?). You can apply for a license yourself, of
course, but there's a training course to do and qualification to obtain
first. And then you can only sell from licensed premises but who knows
what the rules will be in 10 years time.

Perhaps you can register yourself as the official ukrm licence holder? :-)

--
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FJR1300AS

On 23/10/2023 12:53, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 10:06, Eddie wrote:
>>
>> Some of the group were no longer in a position to drink by the time it
>> was ready, so sold off their share. Last seen selling online for £300
>> a bottle.
>>
> Or 'Last seen online *offered* online for £300 a bottle.'?

Details, details.

I'm assuming it was actually offered and sold, as the place that
advertised it at that price had sold out.

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On 23/10/2023 14:08, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 12:28, Eddie wrote:
>>
>> Is that £25 a bottle, total cost? That's very reasonable these days.
>
> No, Ive just paid £3.2k for 200 litres, in real life that should be 220
> 750ml bottles. Bottling and duty has to be paid when it has matured,
> after 7 to 10 years (or longer).Roughly £25 a bottle extra at todays rates.

Ah, right.

We bottled ours at cask strength, didn't seem worth paying the extra for
watering it down and extra bottles.

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On 23/10/2023 20:39 Colin Irvine penned these words:

> You might remember me selling off a couple of bottlings of my cousin's
> Longrow some years ago. A triumph of underground railway, largely
> thanks to Simon Wilson's capacious living room!

Ah yes I picked up mine and Tog's bottles on my way either too or from Platy's
gaff, later Tog rocked up at mine. Hopefully he got to imbibe them.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Higgins wrote:

> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
> > Higgins wrote:
> >
> >> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You have to wonder about people who buy
> >>> cheap Polish vodka.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t particularly like vodka but, when I went to Kazakhstan, I
> >> brought back a bottle of Kazakh vodka just because I could and
> found >> it to be excellent.
> >>
> >
> > Do you drink it neat or mixed with something?
>
> Neat, and surprisingly pleasant. I’d previously found vodka to be
> foul.
>
> >
> >> Mind you, I also discovered that I like caviar.
> >
> > Just Caviar or other kinds of roe too?
> >
> >
> >
> Never tried any others but I won’t hesitate in future.

If you are ever in Sweden, they have plenty of different kinds there,
some not at all expensive (probably in Norway too). Makes a nice
accompaniment to a few glasses of homemade moonshine. Although as a not
all that enthousiastic fish eater it takes a good few glasses of hooch
before I get cracking on the fish eggs.

--

Geoff
NTV650

On 22/10/2023 08:20, Higgins wrote:
> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
>
>> You have to wonder about people who buy
>> cheap Polish vodka.
>>
>
>
> I don’t particularly like vodka but, when I went to Kazakhstan, I brought
> back a bottle of Kazakh vodka just because I could and found it to be
> excellent.

I was particularly fond of the home brew vodka in Siberia.
Too fond by the time we hit Kz.
Still wonder were those 12 hrs went.

>

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On 24/10/2023 11:06, GeoffC wrote:
> Higgins wrote:
>
>> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
>>> Higgins wrote:
>>>
>>>> GeoffC <me@invalid.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You have to wonder about people who buy
>>>>> cheap Polish vodka.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don’t particularly like vodka but, when I went to Kazakhstan, I
>>>> brought back a bottle of Kazakh vodka just because I could and
>> found >> it to be excellent.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you drink it neat or mixed with something?
>>
>> Neat, and surprisingly pleasant. I’d previously found vodka to be
>> foul.
>>
>>>
>>>> Mind you, I also discovered that I like caviar.
>>>
>>> Just Caviar or other kinds of roe too?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Never tried any others but I won’t hesitate in future.
>
> If you are ever in Sweden, they have plenty of different kinds there,
> some not at all expensive (probably in Norway too). Makes a nice
Aquavit
>

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ogden wrote:

> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
> phone these days.

I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
they have to walk to the till.

--
Simon

On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>> phone these days.
>
> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
> they have to walk to the till.

I'm just about to get a contactless card - I've resisted until now, but
it seems to me (relying on others to do my shopping) that as long as I
remember how many transactions the card has been used for I can give it
to a carer to use - no disclosure of PIN necessary.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>> phone these days.
>
> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
> they have to walk to the till.

I'm just about to get a contactless card - I've resisted until now, but
it seems to me (relying on others to do my shopping) that as long as I
remember how many transactions the card has been used for I can give it
to a carer to use - no disclosure of PIN necessary.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

sweller wrote:
> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
> they have to walk to the till.

They had to do that with cash too if you needed change.

RustyHinge wrote:

> I'm just about to get a contactless card - I've resisted until now,
> but it seems to me (relying on others to do my shopping) that as long
> as I remember how many transactions the card has been used for I can
> give it to a carer to use - no disclosure of PIN necessary.

How are you going to 'reset' the count of non-PIN transactions when it's
needed?

I suspect for most people pre-paying for petrol at the pump (not
post-paying in the kiosk) is what resets it, or buying something over
the £100 contactless limit.

On 30/10/2023 08:21, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> I'm just about to get a contactless card - I've resisted until now,
>> but it seems to me (relying on others to do my shopping) that as long
>> as I remember how many transactions the card has been used for I can
>> give it to a carer to use - no disclosure of PIN necessary.
>
> How are you going to 'reset' the count of non-PIN transactions when it's
> needed?
>
> I suspect for most people pre-paying for petrol at the pump (not
> post-paying in the kiosk) is what resets it, or buying something over
> the £100 contactless limit.

Blind Bambi, but that's one of the questions I shall ask the bank mangler.

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> How are you going to 'reset' the count of non-PIN transactions when
>> it's needed?
>
> that's one of the questions I shall ask the bank mangler.

Who will likely say "don't let anyone else your card".

There are some banks who will issue individual carer's cards, e.g.

<https://www.santander.co.uk/personal/support/supported-banking/carers-card>

On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>> phone these days.
>
> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
> they have to walk to the till.
>
But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even tho
it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!

Chris
--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 30/10/2023 10:20, Andy Burns wrote:
> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> How are you going to 'reset' the count of non-PIN transactions when
>>> it's needed?
>>
>> that's one of the questions I shall ask the bank mangler.
>
> Who will likely say "don't let anyone else your card".
>
> There are some banks who will issue individual carer's cards, e.g.
>
> <https://www.santander.co.uk/personal/support/supported-banking/carers-card>

That's a better question to ask: thanks for that.

I looked at Santander on a coparison website and was not exactly impressed.

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"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:kq9gq2FlekjU1
@mid.individual.net:

> On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>
>>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>>> phone these days.
>>
>> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
>> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
>> they have to walk to the till.
>>
> But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even tho
> it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!
>
> Chris

plus the card reader is going to be linked to the till in most pubs, your
order is keyed into the till before drinks are poured and you have the
option to pay with contactless before your drinks are put in front of you.
A significant productivity enhancement for the server and buyer.

On 30/10/2023 11:02, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>
>>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>>> phone these days.
>>
>> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
>> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash.  As it means
>> they have to walk to the till.
>>
> But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even tho
> it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!
Wow, shit pub with low choice?

We have 12 cask,price varying by ABV. 8 Cider, 10 larger/biere, massive
range of whisk[e]y and bottled beers.

The Turks Head doesn't take cash now.

This is to the advantage of the bar staff.

* No totaling up at end of day
* No making up any difference from their tips[1]

[1] All "one for yourself" goes to staff, 50p added to total.

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On 30/10/2023 11:02, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>
>>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>>> phone these days.
>>
>> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
>> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash.  As it means
>> they have to walk to the till.
>>
> But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even tho
> it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!
Wow, shit pub with low choice?

We have 12 cask,price varying by ABV. 8 Cider, 10 larger/biere, massive
range of whisk[e]y and bottled beers.

The Turks Head doesn't take cash now.

This is to the advantage of the bar staff.

* No totaling up at end of day
* No making up any difference from their tips[1]

[1] All "one for yourself" goes to staff, 50p added to total.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:kq9gq2FlekjU1
@mid.individual.net:

> On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>
>>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used to
>>> be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>>> phone these days.
>>
>> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub with
>> a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As it means
>> they have to walk to the till.
>>
> But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even tho
> it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!
>
> Chris

plus the card reader is going to be linked to the till in most pubs, your
order is keyed into the till before drinks are poured and you have the
option to pay with contactless before your drinks are put in front of you.
A significant productivity enhancement for the server and buyer.

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote in
news:XnsB0AD76009FB3Bwtymmmsas@135.181.20.170:

> "chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:kq9gq2FlekjU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 30/10/2023 05:17, sweller wrote:
>>> ogden wrote:
>>>
>>>> Covid killed cash. Contactless (mostly) killed chip'n'pin. I used
>>>> to be a cash-is-king, contactless naysayer, but even I'm tapping my
>>>> phone these days.
>>>
>>> I used to sigh heavily if anyone tried to pay for drinks in a pub
>>> with a card, now the staff sigh heavily if you try to pay cash. As
>>> it means they have to walk to the till.
>>>
>> But they have to walk to the till anyway to check the price - even
>> tho it is still the same as the last 500 pints they have sold!
>>
>> Chris
>
> plus the card reader is going to be linked to the till in most pubs,
> your order is keyed into the till before drinks are poured and you
> have the option to pay with contactless before your drinks are put in
> front of you. A significant productivity enhancement for the server
> and buyer.
>

seems the cheesy server is poorly

double posts from me and YTC and some posts not appearing at all. I can see
replies to SP's Win11 thread but not his OP.