John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 16/11/2023 10:30, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 16/11/2023 08:33, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:15:29 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:17:21 PM UTC-5, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mine Dew, when the Toodles went for a boat trip on our wedding
>>>>>> anniversary, the crew heard that it was our anniversary and offered me
>>>>>> the opportunity to ‘take the helm’ for a while - which I did, I didn’t
>>>>>> have the heart to tell them I am registered blind.;-))) No-one came to
>>>>>> any harm and I didn’t hit any of the moorings or impinge upon the land
>>>>>> belonging to the landed gentry / celebs who reside along the Thames
>>>>>> banks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may have posted about this before, but I vaguely knew a guy called
>>>>> Billy Baxter, who held the blind solo world land speed record - on a
>>>>> motorcycle.  164mph.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are incredible.
>>>>
>>>> So are their guide dogs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't know guide dogs could run that fast.
>>>
>> BTN !
>>
>
> Accepted
>
> john
>

Oooh!! Blush.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

On 17.11.23 14:50, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:23:48 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 17.11.23 14:04, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:18:22 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 13:24:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> I remember the chap (Peter White I think) who presents "in touch", the
>>>>> R4 prog. for the VH/VI and those interested in the subject, recounting
>>>>> the following tale - whether true or not, I don't know: once, when
>>>>> wandering round the London Underground, someone asked where his dog was
>>>>> (he didn't have one), and - maybe he was having a bad day - he replied
>>>>> "oh! I've left him on the train!". To which the person replied with
>>>>> words that made his blood run cold: "don't worry." He had visions of the
>>>>> entire tube network being brought to a halt, in search of a non-existent
>>>>> guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> I've been deprived of umra by the news server for a few days (again), or I
>>>> might have suggested you listen to the Desert Island Discs repeat this
>>>> morning, to hear Peter relate that story himself.
>>>
>>> Since you have mentioned Peter White's Desert Island Disc programme,
>>> would this be a good point to ask whether umrats have been listening
>>> to the Thursday afternoon Legends documentary?
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001ryq1
>>>
>>> I write as a long time fan - a very long time fan - and I think this
>>> is probably the very worst musical biopod that I have ever
>>> experienced. I keep listening because I am a very long time fan but I
>>> also keep asking myself why I keep punishing myself in this way? Does
>>> anybody else have any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> I will let you know when I get there. I have downloaded a lot of JM
>> material that was broadcast whilst I was Stateside of the Pond and so I
>> am a little behind with listening at the moment.
>>
>> OTOH I have now seen Nashville, Chattanooga, Casey Jones, Memphis,
>> Graceland, Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans (not in that order) and have
>> eaten gumbo etc.
>>
> Of those, I've only visited Nashville and because the Greyhound was so
> late I missed the opportunity to look around the city and all I saw of
> it was the bus station. Still, it was a very nice bus station.
>
> Did you have grits? I had grits in Dallas. Never again.
>
>> Very good holiday.
>
> Delighted that you had such a good time. US politics may be a tad
> bizarre for our tastes but US people are, in my opinion, delightful
> and their places and scenery are spectacular.
>
> Nick

I think I have had grits on an earlier visit so avoided them - no-one
appears to like them.

Nashville to my mind is overdoing it and was a place where significantly
I felt that some of the service received was not of the usual high
standard - they seem to have become so determined to maximise country
music I think they have lost a little sight of themselves.

Elsewhere I generally loved, although there was not perhaps the
outstanding scenery that you might experience elsewhere. To sit in the
Houston Control Room observers' gallery with moon landing and the first
step onto the moon played in close to real time was something else.

Memphis I felt I struck lucky with a couple of restaurants to both
sample local fare and that really is a matter of chance. Atlanta and
Martin Luther King (and Memphis and his assassination) will stand out.
And I am sure I could have spent more time in New Orleans as we did not
have time to go and find music - or cover all of the trolleybus lines -
most annoying that I did not manage that.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 17/11/2023 16:25, krw wrote:
> On 17.11.23 14:50, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:23:48 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17.11.23 14:04, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:18:22 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 13:24:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember the chap (Peter White I think) who presents "in touch",
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> R4 prog. for the VH/VI and those interested in the subject,
>>>>>> recounting
>>>>>> the following tale - whether true or not, I don't know: once, when
>>>>>> wandering round the London Underground, someone asked where his
>>>>>> dog was
>>>>>> (he didn't have one), and - maybe he was having a bad day - he
>>>>>> replied
>>>>>> "oh! I've left him on the train!". To which the person replied with
>>>>>> words that made his blood run cold: "don't worry." He had visions
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> entire tube network being brought to a halt, in search of a
>>>>>> non-existent
>>>>>> guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been deprived of umra by the news server for a few days
>>>>> (again), or I
>>>>> might have suggested you listen to the Desert Island Discs repeat this
>>>>> morning, to hear Peter relate that story himself.
>>>>
>>>> Since you have mentioned Peter White's Desert Island Disc programme,
>>>> would this be a good point to ask whether umrats have been listening
>>>> to the Thursday afternoon Legends documentary?
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001ryq1
>>>>
>>>> I write as a long time fan - a very long time fan - and I think this
>>>> is probably the very worst musical biopod that I have ever
>>>> experienced. I keep listening because I am a very long time fan but I
>>>> also keep asking myself why I keep punishing myself in this way? Does
>>>> anybody else have any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> I will let you know when I get there.  I have downloaded a lot of JM
>>> material that was broadcast whilst I was Stateside of the Pond and so I
>>> am a little behind with listening at the moment.
>>>
>>> OTOH I have now seen Nashville, Chattanooga, Casey Jones, Memphis,
>>> Graceland, Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans (not in that order) and have
>>> eaten gumbo etc.
>>>
>> Of those, I've only visited Nashville and because the Greyhound was so
>> late I missed the opportunity to look around the city and all I saw of
>> it was the bus station. Still, it was a very nice bus station.
>>
>> Did you have grits? I had grits in Dallas. Never again.
>>
>> Nick
>
> I think I have had grits on an earlier visit so avoided them - no-one
> appears to like them.
>

I was going to ask Nick if he had needed antibiotics (but thought better
of it). I now see that grits is like measles, if you've had it once
you're unlikely to have it again.

john

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:56:34 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>>> OTOH I have now seen Nashville, Chattanooga, Casey Jones, Memphis,
>>>> Graceland, Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans (not in that order) and have
>>>> eaten gumbo etc.

We spent a few days in New Orleans in 1990. I like that US hotels have
2 king size beds in the room, so parents and 2 offspring can share,
We had grits I think as part of breakfast. A sort of porridge? I have
porridge 4/5 times a week but not on the same plate as pancakes and
bacon. we visited a few jazz venues in New Orleans. And the
battleground where the British lost.

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uj4v0t$28aa7$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 16 Nov 2023 11:39:09,
>> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>>> On 16/11/2023 10:30, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 16/11/2023 08:33, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:15:29 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney wrote:
>>>>>>
>> []
>>>>>>> I may have posted about this before, but I vaguely knew a guy called
>>>>>>> Billy Baxter, who held the blind solo world land speed record - on a
>>>>>>> motorcycle.  164mph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are incredible.
>>
>> Indeed! (My friend worked on the internal IT helpdesk for the local
>> council, and most who used him didn't know he was blind.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are their guide dogs.
>>>>>>
>> Though not all of them have or need guide dogs, and those who don't
>> sometimes get a little fed up with the assumption that they do - though
>> usually hide it, as they know people only mean well.
>>
>> I remember the chap (Peter White I think) who presents "in touch", the
>> R4 prog. for the VH/VI and those interested in the subject, recounting
>> the following tale - whether true or not, I don't know: once, when
>> wandering round the London Underground, someone asked where his dog was
>> (he didn't have one), and - maybe he was having a bad day - he replied
>> "oh! I've left him on the train!". To which the person replied with
>> words that made his blood run cold: "don't worry." He had visions of the
>> entire tube network being brought to a halt, in search of a non-existent
>> guide dog.
>>
>> (The male half of my blind friends has excellent perception of his
>> surroundings - particularly hearing; he can "hear" things like lampposts
>> and other obstructions, presumably from their reflections of ambient
>> noise. The female half doesn't, but being female, petite, and blind
>> doesn't go out _much_ on her own [she'd go to the local shops, or on the
>> bus to town for a specific purpose] anyway. They both feel that the
>> inconveniences of looking after a dog - apart from anything else, they
>> have a fairly small house - would significantly outweigh the
>> advantages.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know guide dogs could run that fast.
>>
>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>> BTN !
>>>>
>>>
>>> Accepted
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> I didn't think of BT when I read the line, just chuckled!
>
> It was Peter White, yes. I’ve heard the tale several times. Yes,
> echolocation is something many people with very little or no sight can
> develop and surprisingly quickly. I think it comes naturally because when
> I asked a friend who’s been totally blind since he was 9, he said he did.
> His wife does, and she didn’t lose her most of sight till she was 14. It
> explains to a degree why people walk confidently with a long cane. What I
> also assume is that now that we have audio described maps one uses
> headphones for, the echolocation has gone by the board.
>
> In the US, mobility training is *brutal* but works. Everyone is
> blindfolded as a matter of course and everyone must learn to navigate using
> their hearing. In China, if one’s lucky to be treated as a human with
> sight loss, they’ll be trained to use their hearing: a tall enough order in
> itself. At the end of training, they’re sent off on a long trip of several
> miles in their city with long cane and mobile. They can only ask one
> person one question apparently. Or so I’ve read.
>
> My on the ground knowledge which is the blind teaching others (and they
> teach to UK standards) is some weeks hard graft but will include more than
> just mobility going A to B, but going in a restaurant, and one or two
> other basics, then those people return to their home city able to teach
> others. The downside, there’s no formal certificate so it might well
> deteriorate as the chain lengthens. Typical of the world, there’ll be one
> year where money’s given for formal training, then withdrawn once the
> officials have smirked at the cameras. The photo only articles I’ve read
> where it’s all about the sighted staff, not the guide dog and owner is
> unbelievable.
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

Just had a phone call asking if I’d heard Peter. I didn’t even know he was
on DID. My friend said she didn’t learn much she didn’t already know,

Mrs McT

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:23:48 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 17.11.23 14:04, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:18:22 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 13:24:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> I remember the chap (Peter White I think) who presents "in touch", the
>>>>> R4 prog. for the VH/VI and those interested in the subject, recounting
>>>>> the following tale - whether true or not, I don't know: once, when
>>>>> wandering round the London Underground, someone asked where his dog was
>>>>> (he didn't have one), and - maybe he was having a bad day - he replied
>>>>> "oh! I've left him on the train!". To which the person replied with
>>>>> words that made his blood run cold: "don't worry." He had visions of the
>>>>> entire tube network being brought to a halt, in search of a non-existent
>>>>> guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> I've been deprived of umra by the news server for a few days (again), or I
>>>> might have suggested you listen to the Desert Island Discs repeat this
>>>> morning, to hear Peter relate that story himself.
>>>
>>> Since you have mentioned Peter White's Desert Island Disc programme,
>>> would this be a good point to ask whether umrats have been listening
>>> to the Thursday afternoon Legends documentary?
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001ryq1
>>>
>>> I write as a long time fan - a very long time fan - and I think this
>>> is probably the very worst musical biopod that I have ever
>>> experienced. I keep listening because I am a very long time fan but I
>>> also keep asking myself why I keep punishing myself in this way? Does
>>> anybody else have any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> I will let you know when I get there. I have downloaded a lot of JM
>> material that was broadcast whilst I was Stateside of the Pond and so I
>> am a little behind with listening at the moment.
>>
>> OTOH I have now seen Nashville, Chattanooga, Casey Jones, Memphis,
>> Graceland, Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans (not in that order) and have
>> eaten gumbo etc.
>>
> Of those, I've only visited Nashville and because the Greyhound was so
> late I missed the opportunity to look around the city and all I saw of
> it was the bus station. Still, it was a very nice bus station.
>
> Did you have grits? I had grits in Dallas. Never again.
>
>> Very good holiday.
>
> Delighted that you had such a good time. US politics may be a tad
> bizarre for our tastes but US people are, in my opinion, delightful
> and their places and scenery are spectacular.
>
> Nick
>

I looked it up recently, sounded more than disgusting.

Mrs McT

KRW wrote trolley bus lines

I hope Mrs KRW is happy for you to follow trolley bus routes! Chuckle.

Mrs McT

On 17.11.23 20:22, Chris wrote:
> KRW wrote trolley bus lines
>
> I hope Mrs KRW is happy for you to follow trolley bus routes! Chuckle.
>
> Mrs McT
>
>
>

She went shopping.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
> And the
> battleground where the British lost.

Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 17.11.23 20:22, Chris wrote:
>> KRW wrote trolley bus lines
>>
>> I hope Mrs KRW is happy for you to follow trolley bus routes! Chuckle.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>>
>>
>
> She went shopping.
>

*boring*! :)

Mrs McT

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 17.11.23 20:22, Chris wrote:
>>> KRW wrote trolley bus lines
>>>
>>> I hope Mrs KRW is happy for you to follow trolley bus routes! Chuckle.
>>>
>>> Mrs McT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> She went shopping.
>>
>
> *boring*! :)
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

You mean she went off the rails?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>> And the
>> battleground where the British lost.
>
> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.

The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was after the
Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
be disallowed.

Wenlock wrote:

>krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>>> And the
>>> battleground where the British lost.
>>
>> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.
>
>The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was after the
>Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
>1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
>be disallowed.

Perhaps they had calculated injury time.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:18:17 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>Wenlock wrote:
>
>>krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>>>> And the
>>>> battleground where the British lost.
>>>
>>> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.
>>
>>The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was after the
>>Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
>>1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
>>be disallowed.
>
>Perhaps they had calculated injury time.
>
If one may make a bad taste nomination 208 years after the event then

BTN!

Nick

On 18.11.23 17:30, Chris wrote:
> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 17.11.23 20:22, Chris wrote:
>>> KRW wrote trolley bus lines
>>>
>>> I hope Mrs KRW is happy for you to follow trolley bus routes! Chuckle.
>>>
>>> Mrs McT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> She went shopping.
>>
>
> *boring*! :)
>
> Mrs McT
>

Well we both went shopping first and I bought some new jeans at the
usually acceptable USA price. She then wanted other items whilst I had
a ride elsewhere.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 19/11/2023 13:26, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:18:17 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Wenlock wrote:
>>
>>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> And the
>>>>> battleground where the British lost.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.
>>>
>>> The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was after the
>>> Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
>>> 1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
>>> be disallowed.
>>
>> Perhaps they had calculated injury time.
>>
> If one may make a bad taste nomination 208 years after the event then
>
> BTN!
>
> Nick

I think not, especially since the USA are not signatories to the
International Criminal Court and so are entitled to make up any rules
they like.

john

On 19-Nov-23 4:55, Wenlock wrote:
> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>>> And the
>>> battleground where the British lost.
>>
>> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.
>
> The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was after the
> Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
> 1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
> be disallowed.
>
You can't expect the Americans to understand the offside rule.

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <MUs6N.35478$Ee89.756@fx17.iad> at Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:57:47,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 19-Nov-23 4:55, Wenlock wrote:
>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 17.11.23 18:18, Vicky wrote:
>>>> And the
>>>> battleground where the British lost.
>>>
>>> Yes they delight in telling us how we went about losing.
>> The Battle of New Orleans occurred on 8 January 1815, which was
>>after the
>> Treaty of Ghent had been signed, ending the War of 1812 (on 24 December
>> 1814.) The victory claimed by the United States should strictly therefore
>> be disallowed.
>>
>You can't expect the Americans to understand the offside rule.
>
No, it's definitely not cricket.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward. -Ellen Glasgow,
novelist (1874-1945)