On 10/11/2023 21:33 Mark Olson penned these words:
> Boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 14:00 Stephen Packer penned these words:
>>> On Friday, 10 November 2023 at 03:33:07 UTC, Boots wrote:
>>>> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>>>>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd just drive round
>>>>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>>>> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the timebase
>>>> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many. Mostly they
>>>> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf my land and
>>>> they have to go.
>>>
>>> I thought they were looking for the IF signal?
>>
>> That would make more sense, the line time base was always 15kHz IIRC one of the
>> reasons the Motorola TACS kit used 12.5kHz in place of the 15kHz used in their
>> AMPS for feeding various oscillators was an attempt to avoid TVI.
>>
>>> Could well be wrong but I remember hearing 'stories' that 'they' could tell
>>> which channel you were watching.
>>
>>
>> Given this ^^^ with a fixed LO the IF would be that +/- the LO frequency from
>> the actual signal.
>
> ??
>
> The LO has to vary so you can have a fixed IF, isn't having a fixed IF
> (usually at a lower frequency than the RF signal) the whole point of
> a superheterodyne tuner?
>
You're right I am arse about face, tells how long since I did radio theory
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 09/11/2023 14:08, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 09/11/2023 09:33, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:

>>> I gave up watching adverts when they increased from two sets in a one
>>> hour program to three.
>>
>> Yeah, I remember those days.
>> When was that?
>
>Dunno. About 10 years ago?

Naa, a lot more than that.

>I remember because I suddenly realised that
>the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>disrupted.

Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
annoys me too, even though I haven't actually watched any adverts for
decades.

>I also noted that the recorded programmes (sans ads) were a
>couple of minutes shorter than previous. Now down to about 45-46 minutes
>per 'hour of viewing'.

Still noticeable in some BBC documentaries that are made for forn TV
with lots of breaks, but when shown on the beeb have an extra 10
minutes at the end, usually something along the lines of @how we made
this program".

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 11/11/2023 00:03, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 10/11/2023 03:22, Boots wrote:
>> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd just
>>> drive round
>>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>>
>> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the
>> timebase
>> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many.
>> Mostly they
>> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf my
>> land and
>> they have to go.
>
> "Yes you can come in and look around. Just hold on a moment while I shut
> the dogs into the living room."
>
Subtle!

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 11/11/2023 12:14, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2023 14:08, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2023 09:33, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>
>>>> I gave up watching adverts when they increased from two sets in a one
>>>> hour program to three.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I remember those days.
>>> When was that?
>>
>> Dunno. About 10 years ago?
>
> Naa, a lot more than that.
>
>> I remember because I suddenly realised that
>> the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>> disrupted.
>
> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
> annoys me too, even though I haven't actually watched any adverts for
> decades.
>
>> I also noted that the recorded programmes (sans ads) were a
>> couple of minutes shorter than previous. Now down to about 45-46 minutes
>> per 'hour of viewing'.
>
> Still noticeable in some BBC documentaries that are made for forn TV
> with lots of breaks, but when shown on the beeb have an extra 10
> minutes at the end, usually something along the lines of @how we made
> this program".
>
Yes, good spot!

Then there are the beeb programs that have started to be broadcast in
twos - presumably because a single of 45 minutes isn't quite enough to
satisfy some UK audiences - whereas in leftpondia etc they could be
'filled out' with ads?

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:12:16 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl>
wrote:

>They had cat detector vans round our way, if they were around you had
>to keep any unlicensed pussy well hidden.

Can't believe this hasn't garnered any response yet!

UKRM, you've changed :-(
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 11/11/2023 17:39, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 11/11/2023 00:03, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 03:22, Boots wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>>>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd just
>>>> drive round
>>>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>>>
>>> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the
>>> timebase
>>> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many.
>>> Mostly they
>>> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf my
>>> land and
>>> they have to go.
>>
>> "Yes you can come in and look around. Just hold on a moment while I
>> shut the dogs into the living room."
>>
> Subtle!
>

I used to get people trying a similar ploy when I was a white hat.
"A breed prescribed by the Dangerous Dogs Act are they then?"

Domestic premises were one of the few scenarios where we didn't have
power of entry as of right [1] at any time (refusal constituted an
offence of obstruction). Had to give 24 hours notice and if necessary
get a warrant. Unless the problem was noise nuisance from a burglar
alarm, in which case, a warrant could be obtained surprisingly quickly
(duty Magistrate).

The TV would presumably be conspicuous by its absence after 24 hours TBF.

[1] Though as an old boss used to say "your warrant card doesn't confer
power of exit".

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 11/11/2023 17:46, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:12:16 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> They had cat detector vans round our way, if they were around you had
>> to keep any unlicensed pussy well hidden.
>
> Can't believe this hasn't garnered any response yet!
>
> UKRM, you've changed :-(

Gone all "woke"

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

Champ wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:12:16 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl>
> wrote:
>
> > They had cat detector vans round our way, if they were around you
> > had to keep any unlicensed pussy well hidden.
>
> Can't believe this hasn't garnered any response yet!
>
> UKRM, you've changed :-(

Still looking into it?

--

Geoff
NTV650

On 11/11/2023 17:46, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:12:16 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> They had cat detector vans round our way, if they were around you had
>> to keep any unlicensed pussy well hidden.
>
> Can't believe this hasn't garnered any response yet!
>
> UKRM, you've changed :-(

I'm still trying to get get to grips with the concept of 'licensed
pussy' before moving on to any alternatives?

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 11/11/2023 19:03, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 11/11/2023 17:39, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>> On 11/11/2023 00:03, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2023 03:22, Boots wrote:
>>>> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>>>>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd
>>>>> just drive round
>>>>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the
>>>> timebase
>>>> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many.
>>>> Mostly they
>>>> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf my
>>>> land and
>>>> they have to go.
>>>
>>> "Yes you can come in and look around. Just hold on a moment while I
>>> shut the dogs into the living room."
>>>
>> Subtle!
>>
>
> I used to get people trying a similar ploy when I was a white hat.
> "A breed prescribed by the Dangerous Dogs Act are they then?"

White hat?

> Domestic premises were one of the few scenarios where we didn't have
> power of entry as of right [1] at any time (refusal constituted an
> offence of obstruction). Had to give 24 hours notice and if necessary
> get a warrant. Unless the problem was noise nuisance from a burglar
> alarm, in which case, a warrant could be obtained surprisingly quickly
> (duty Magistrate).
>
> The TV would presumably be conspicuous by its absence after 24 hours TBF.

Or at least any aerial connection would - as I understand (from a friend
who investigated this situation) that having a tv connected, as a mere
display, to a video recorder on its own, did not require a license.

> [1] Though as an old boss used to say "your warrant card doesn't confer
> power of exit".

Probably a cautionary tale in there

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 12/11/2023 14:04, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 11/11/2023 19:03, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 11/11/2023 17:39, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2023 00:03, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2023 03:22, Boots wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>>>>>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd
>>>>>> just drive round
>>>>>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the
>>>>> timebase
>>>>> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many.
>>>>> Mostly they
>>>>> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf
>>>>> my land and
>>>>> they have to go.
>>>>
>>>> "Yes you can come in and look around. Just hold on a moment while I
>>>> shut the dogs into the living room."
>>>>
>>> Subtle!
>>>
>>
>> I used to get people trying a similar ploy when I was a white hat.
>> "A breed prescribed by the Dangerous Dogs Act are they then?"
>
> White hat?

Environmental Health Officer.
>
>> Domestic premises were one of the few scenarios where we didn't have
>> power of entry as of right [1] at any time (refusal constituted an
>> offence of obstruction). Had to give 24 hours notice and if necessary
>> get a warrant. Unless the problem was noise nuisance from a burglar
>> alarm, in which case, a warrant could be obtained surprisingly quickly
>> (duty Magistrate).
>>
>> The TV would presumably be conspicuous by its absence after 24 hours TBF.
> > Or at least any aerial connection would - as I understand (from a friend
> who investigated this situation) that having a tv connected, as a mere
> display, to a video recorder on its own, did not require a license.
>

GPWM.

>> [1] Though as an old boss used to say "your warrant card doesn't
>> confer power of exit".
>
> Probably a cautionary tale in there
>

Indeed.
Scrap yard owners can get a bit touchy when you give them a PACE caution.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 08/11/2023 13:47, GeoffC wrote:
> wessie wrote:
>
>> "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:uifpll$1iite$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> wessie wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did consider getting a Freesat box but they are not cheap, there
>> is >> no guarantee the satellite dish os properly aligned[1] and the
>>>> satellite signal will go in 2028.
>>>
>>> We are still using a Humax Freesat box and will continue to do so
>>> for the foreseeable future as it has an HDD & record facility.
>>> The 'series link' recordings are handy plus it is the easiest way to
>>> skip the interminable adverts.
>>>
>>
>> as I found out in this thread, the Sky LNB would have had to be
>> changed so more faffing about. The dish is only accessible if I stick
>> a ladder in the neighbour's garden as it looks like a conservatory
>> was added to the house after the dish was installed.
>> As for adverts, rarely see them except for live sport on ITV or Ch4.
>> On the rare occasion they have other stuff I want to watch then I can
>> get it from a nice man with a private tracker who strips out the ads.
>>
>> Oh, and TV licensing have finally discovered I have moved in and
>> started harassing me...
>
> Detector vans in the area?
>
>

ICBW but I'd be surprised if they even work with TVs that don't have a
CRT. There are many rumours that they never did work even with those.

--
/Simon

On 10/11/2023 03:22, Boots wrote:
> On 09/11/2023 21:21 Champ penned these words:
>> Weren't they always just for propaganda purposes anyway? They'd just drive round
>> and put the wind up people to pay their licence.
>
> Pretty sure they worked for the old analogue TV, picked up on the timebase
> signal. How many old fashioned CRT TV around now, cannot be many. Mostly they
> get convictions because people admit/let them in. A swift get orf my land and
> they have to go.

Ah, I was late to the party. Have been mostly without internet for a week.

--
/Simon

On 12/11/2023 22:04 chrisnd @ukrm penned these words:
> On 11/11/2023 19:03, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>> The TV would presumably be conspicuous by its absence after 24 hours TBF.
>
> Or at least any aerial connection would - as I understand (from a friend
> who investigated this situation) that having a tv connected, as a mere
> display, to a video recorder on its own, did not require a license.

AIUI a licence is required to either watch live TV as it it broadcast or BBC
content via Iplayer ergo the likes of Netflix etc streaming is okay and
presumably films etc on satellite but not news or live sports. How it works for
BBC content not being directly streamed from Iplayer feck knows.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Boots wrote:

> On 09/11/2023 21:29 jeremy penned these words:
> > On 7 Nov 2023 at 18:24:16 GMT, "wessie" <willnotwork@tesco.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I will just be using IPTV via a Roku device
> >
> > Does this enable simple viewing of e.g. BBC (or do you have to
> > watch that via iPlayer)?
>
> Roku has an inbuilt IPlayer app or mine does.

Roku in not available here (NL) for some obscure reason but different
countries seem to have different buttons so I assume your one is a UK
version. According to various forums here, the buttons only work
properly if you do the initial registration with a VPN in the country
corresponding to the version of your Roku.

--

Geoff
NTV650

"GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl> wrote in news:uisri3$jou8$1@dont-email.me:

> Boots wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2023 21:29 jeremy penned these words:
>> > On 7 Nov 2023 at 18:24:16 GMT, "wessie" <willnotwork@tesco.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I will just be using IPTV via a Roku device
>> >
>> > Does this enable simple viewing of e.g. BBC (or do you have to
>> > watch that via iPlayer)?
>>
>> Roku has an inbuilt IPlayer app or mine does.
>
> Roku in not available here (NL) for some obscure reason but different
> countries seem to have different buttons so I assume your one is a UK
> version. According to various forums here, the buttons only work
> properly if you do the initial registration with a VPN in the country
> corresponding to the version of your Roku.
>

seems very odd as my Roku packaging has "made in Vietnam" supplied by Roku,
Amsterdam

wessie wrote:

> "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl> wrote in news:uisri3$jou8$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > Boots wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/11/2023 21:29 jeremy penned these words:
> >> > On 7 Nov 2023 at 18:24:16 GMT, "wessie" <willnotwork@tesco.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I will just be using IPTV via a Roku device
> >> >
> >> > Does this enable simple viewing of e.g. BBC (or do you have to
> >> > watch that via iPlayer)?
> >>
> >> Roku has an inbuilt IPlayer app or mine does.
> >
> > Roku in not available here (NL) for some obscure reason but
> > different countries seem to have different buttons so I assume your
> > one is a UK version. According to various forums here, the buttons
> > only work properly if you do the initial registration with a VPN in
> > the country corresponding to the version of your Roku.
> >
>
> seems very odd as my Roku packaging has "made in Vietnam" supplied by
> Roku, Amsterdam

Yes I noticed that, very odd, perhaps they intended to have the
European Head office in UK but changed their minds, can't think why :-).
It's officially available here:

https://www.roku.com/en-gb/legal

Was the same with Chromecast (Google TV), available in France and
Germany first and then later here although I think that was maybe
something to do with language support for the "voice search".
Chromecast man myself so I don't know much about Roku and what I do
know, I learned here mostly.

--

Geoff
NTV650

On 13/11/2023 17:50 GeoffC penned these words:
> Boots wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2023 21:29 jeremy penned these words:
>>> On 7 Nov 2023 at 18:24:16 GMT, "wessie" <willnotwork@tesco.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will just be using IPTV via a Roku device
>>>
>>> Does this enable simple viewing of e.g. BBC (or do you have to
>>> watch that via iPlayer)?
>>
>> Roku has an inbuilt IPlayer app or mine does.
>
> Roku in not available here (NL) for some obscure reason but different
> countries seem to have different buttons so I assume your one is a UK
> version. According to various forums here, the buttons only work
> properly if you do the initial registration with a VPN in the country
> corresponding to the version of your Roku.
>

I registered my Roku via a VPN so yeah. Not that I have used the Iplayer app for
ages, for anything Iplayer related I use get_iplayer with its PVR function.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:35:37 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Pip Luscher
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> I remember because I suddenly realised that >the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>>> disrupted.
>> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
>> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
>> annoys me too
>
>I don't know about foreign climes, but they tend to sync
> commercial breaks across all channels here, presumably to prevent
> channel hopping from being effective.

Wouldn't really know, TBH. If I ever find something I'd like to watch
in real time I'll find something else to watch and wait until there's
a good half hour per hour to be able to skip the ads. Except on the
beeb, of course.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 15/11/2023 03:35 Pip Luscher penned these words:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> I remember because I suddenly realised that >the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>>> disrupted.
>> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
>> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
>> annoys me too
>
> I don't know about foreign climes, but they tend to sync
> commercial breaks across all channels here, presumably to prevent
> channel hopping from being effective.
>

Normally if it is a popular prog some kind soul will have made a torrent with
the ads edited.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

El Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:35:37 +0000, Pip Luscher escribió:

> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd
>> @ukrm"<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> I remember because I suddenly realised that >the storylines of things
>>> like Inspector Morse were increasingly disrupted.
>> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
>> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
>> annoys me too
>
> I don't know about foreign climes, but they tend to sync
> commercial breaks across all channels here, presumably to prevent
> channel hopping from being effective.

Ditto here. Same adverts as well.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 22:13:25 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:35:37 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Pip Luscher
><nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> I remember because I suddenly realised that >the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>>>> disrupted.
>>> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
>>> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
>>> annoys me too
>>
>>I don't know about foreign climes, but they tend to sync
>> commercial breaks across all channels here, presumably to prevent
>> channel hopping from being effective.
>
>Wouldn't really know, TBH. If I ever find something I'd like to watch
>in real time I'll find something else to watch and wait until there's
>a good half hour per hour to be able to skip the ads. Except on the
>beeb, of course.

Ditto.

--
Colin Irvine
R1250RS

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:46:02 +0800, Boots
<news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:

>On 08/11/2023 21:52 wessie penned these words:
>> passive aggressive letter "to the occupier"

>Just pop it in the post to the Israeli embassy.

<applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 14/11/2023 19:35, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:53:02 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> I remember because I suddenly realised that >the storylines of things like Inspector Morse were increasingly
>>> disrupted.
>> Morse finished more than 20 years ago. Or do you mean reruns where
>> they'd added the breaks at really bad points in the program? That one
>> annoys me too
>
> I don't know about foreign climes, but they tend to sync
> commercial breaks across all channels here, presumably to prevent
> channel hopping from being effective.
>
B'strds!
Being given 'choice' seems to be an important part of anything we are
offered these days. A choice of adverts is not a choice! (IMHO)

OTOH, given that they also seem to sync the sports reposts in the news,
I don't think a choice of sports program is a choice either (again IMHO)
- but that's a whole different ball game...

Chris
--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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