On 20/03/2024 12:23, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> john ashby wrote:
>
>> We wnet out for lunch in a pub in Chipping Norton (no sighting of any of
>> the Set) recently and had crab sandwiches. Poorly flavoured filling and
>> bread.which was dry from having been left in the open all morning.
>
> I have to say that we did once have absolutely delicious crab
> sandwiches from a takeaway outlet.
>
> If I mention we were in Padstow, I think you can guess the name
> over the door.
>
Waife trekked around St. Ives many years ago in search of a fresh crab
sandwich on wholemeal while the rest of us had fish'n'chips.

She'd had 1 bite when a seagull swooped down and scoffed the rest.

She was not happy :/

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:

> On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
>> On 19/03/2024 20:28, Wenlock wrote:
>>> Jane Vernon <spam@nopotteratthisaddress.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2024 18:29, Vicky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I like sprouts. Unfortunately b won't eat them so we never have them.
>>>>> I quite like ordinary ones but ones fried with bits of bacon are
>>>>> especially nice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are eating bacon, one of my weekend meals during the winter is
>>>> often three slices of bacon, cut up and fried till crispy, plenty of
>>>> sprouts, cut in half and cooked just right, and half a pack of whole
>>>> chestnuts.  It's so delicious.  Not sure what other vegetable would
>>>> substitute for sprouts but I recommend you try to find one and then you
>>>> can just buy a small pack of ready-prepared sprouts for you and a
>>>> different veg for B.  Worth the small effort, IMO.
>>>
>>> I’m going to radical and suggest Jerusalem artichokes as a sprout
>>> substitute served up like that. Their mild bitterness complements
>>> the sweet
>>> of the chestnuts and the saltiness of the bacon.
>>>
>> People seem to like them.  I wasn't sure but they were never served
>> at home because Dad said they tasted of soot.  Then he suddenly
>> decided to like them.  I tasted them and said they tasted of soot. 
>> They did. He scoffed.  (Probably where I got my scoffing ability
>> from.)  I rarely miss an opportunity to pass this on to others, some
>> of whom now think they taste of soot.
>> AFAIK none of us has ever tried eating soot.
>>
> Everyone who had an open fire WBW and a chimney sweep who came every
> year knows the taste of soot.
>
> When it was readily available Dad used it on his allotment too, can't
> remember for what, but rhubarb springs to mind, so we may have tasted
> it on the veg he grew...

I don't think it has any particular biological role – it's just
uncombined carbon after all – but it is black and therefore good at
absorbing sunlight, such as there is in Castleford, and keeping the
roots warm.

Rosie

On 20/03/2024 10:00, Jane Vernon wrote:
> I used to love kidneys.  Then my mum (who for much of her life would
> have eaten anything apart from meat fat, which made her sick) said she
> had gone off them because of the smell of urine when preparing them.  I
> scoffed.  I bought kidneys.  When I was preparing them they smelled of
> urine.
>
> I did manage to prepare and eat them, but have never done so again.  I
> think I still like to eat them, though.

I still like kidneys, although it's some time since I've had any.

Many years ago, both latex husbad and I enjoyed kidneys but I had to
stop cooking them as he was working in a pathology lab at the time and
it seemed that, every time I cooked kidneys, it would coincide with him
having been dealing with kidney transplants at work... Understandably,
he really didn't feel like eating them on those days!

--
Best wishes, Serena
If war is the only answer, then it must have been a very silly question!

On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
> On 19/03/2024 20:28, Wenlock wrote:
>> Jane Vernon <spam@nopotteratthisaddress.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2024 18:29, Vicky wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like sprouts. Unfortunately b won't eat them so we never have them.
>>>> I quite like ordinary ones but ones fried with bits of bacon are
>>>> especially nice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you are eating bacon, one of my weekend meals during the winter is
>>> often three slices of bacon, cut up and fried till crispy, plenty of
>>> sprouts, cut in half and cooked just right, and half a pack of whole
>>> chestnuts.  It's so delicious.  Not sure what other vegetable would
>>> substitute for sprouts but I recommend you try to find one and then you
>>> can just buy a small pack of ready-prepared sprouts for you and a
>>> different veg for B.  Worth the small effort, IMO.
>>
>> I’m going to radical and suggest Jerusalem artichokes as a sprout
>> substitute served up like that. Their mild bitterness complements the
>> sweet
>> of the chestnuts and the saltiness of the bacon.
>>
>
> People seem to like them.  I wasn't sure but they were never served at
> home because Dad said they tasted of soot.  Then he suddenly decided to
> like them.  I tasted them and said they tasted of soot.  They did. He
> scoffed.  (Probably where I got my scoffing ability from.)  I rarely
> miss an opportunity to pass this on to others, some of whom now think
> they taste of soot.
>
> AFAIK none of us has ever tried eating soot.

I like them, very much, and wouldn't describe them as sooty but I do
think they have a slightly smokey flavour, which is probably the same thing.

--
Best wishes, Serena
"Drag your thoughts away from your troubles - by the ears, by the heels,
or any other way you can manage. It's the healthiest thing a body can
do." (Mark Twain)

john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 20/03/2024 10:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <l5vq70Fd5rvU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 20 Mar 2024
>> 09:56:48, Jane Vernon <spam@nopotteratthisaddress.co.uk> writes
>>> On 19/03/2024 19:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With all the fish stories - I'll just add to my unsophisticated palate
>>>>> by saying I think the only fish I regularly buy is/are what we used to
>>>>> call crabsticks, though they're now called seafood sticks, presumably
>>>>> because there's absolutely no crab in them. (Though they still colour
>>>>> them the same!)
>>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjH8y1baxVI>
>>>>  Enjoy!   ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> We came across suremi sticks in France about 20 years ago.  We
>>> asked our friends what fish they were and they looked blank and
>>> said "Suremi!"  No mention of crab or cod.
>>>
>>>
>> I think some people think they taste similar to crab - IIRR, there's
>> some mention in the above video of that opinion/whatever. Since crab
>> is expensive, I presume that's the reason they're still packaged in
>> that way in England.
>> My mum liked crab; on the odd occasions I had it, I liked it, but
>> didn't consider the effort involved (or cost of having someone else
>> make that effort) worth it. (Crabsticks, on the other hand, I _do_
>> find worth the effort of dealing with the silly packaging, though
>> still find it irritating/needless.)
>
> We wnet out for lunch in a pub in Chipping Norton (no sighting of any
> of the Set) recently and had crab sandwiches. Poorly flavoured filling
> and bread.which was dry from having been left in the open all
> morning.

That was fresh this mawnin'. Two and nine.

Memorable freshly-made crab sandwiches at The Anchor at Seatown in Dorset
(at the foot of the highest point on the south coast of England, which
isn't Beachy Head as many people think), washed down with excellent
Palmer's beer from nearby Bridport. That was thirty years ago, mind.

Crabs are as common as muck and crab fishermen often give them way but
not many of them get sold as such, they get sent away to be processed
and tinned or otherwise tweely presented at a healthy mark up, or served
in upmarket restaurants.

Heaven is fresh boiled crab by the harbour in Annapolis or Baltimore.

Rosie

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:

> On 20/03/2024 12:23, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> john ashby wrote:
>>
>>> We wnet out for lunch in a pub in Chipping Norton (no sighting of any of
>>> the Set) recently and had crab sandwiches. Poorly flavoured filling and
>>> bread.which was dry from having been left in the open all morning.
>> I have to say that we did once have absolutely delicious crab
>> sandwiches from a takeaway outlet.
>> If I mention we were in Padstow, I think you can guess the name
>> over the door.
>>
> Waife trekked around St. Ives many years ago in search of a fresh crab
> sandwich on wholemeal while the rest of us had fish'n'chips.
>
> She'd had 1 bite when a seagull swooped down and scoffed the rest.

Gulls are very partial to crab. The crab remains on Walney beach had
generally fallen victim to the great black-backed gull.

Rosie

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:15:06 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
wrote:

>On 20/03/2024 10:00, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>
>> I used to love kidneys.  Then my mum (who for much of her life would
>> have eaten anything apart from meat fat, which made her sick) said she
>> had gone off them because of the smell of urine when preparing them.  I
>> scoffed.  I bought kidneys.  When I was preparing them they smelled of
>> urine.
>>
>> I did manage to prepare and eat them, but have never done so again.  I
>> think I still like to eat them, though.
>>
>>
>My mother used to soak them in milk before cooking to get rid of the smell.

An austrian dish my mother made using kidneys is sweet and sour. I
liked the flavour and it was ok with liver but didn't like the
kidneys. Too many icky tubes.

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:15:06 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 20/03/2024 10:00, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to love kidneys.  Then my mum (who for much of her life would
>>> have eaten anything apart from meat fat, which made her sick) said she
>>> had gone off them because of the smell of urine when preparing them.  I
>>> scoffed.  I bought kidneys.  When I was preparing them they smelled of
>>> urine.
>>>
>>> I did manage to prepare and eat them, but have never done so again.  I
>>> think I still like to eat them, though.
>>>
>>>
>>My mother used to soak them in milk before cooking to get rid of the smell.
>
> An austrian dish my mother made using kidneys is sweet and sour. I
> liked the flavour and it was ok with liver but didn't like the
> kidneys. Too many icky tubes.

The kidneys I eat don't have icky tubes. They have a core of suet but
that melts down in the cooking and contributes to the flavour. Are you
thinking of liver? The trick with liver of course is to have it sliced
very thinly and only briefly introduced to the frying pan.

Rosie

Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 18/03/2024 15:51, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 17/03/2024 21:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> 'They' change things and it's the end of the world.
>>>>> I was listening to Fed Up earlier, with the folk complaining
>>>>> bitterly
>>>>> about TA Omnibus being moved to an hour later on a Sunday morning,
>>>>> swapping with Desert Island Discs.
>>>>> So who are these people who can't lie in bed for another hour on a
>>>>> Sunday to catch the omnibus? I mean, what are Sunday mornings for?
>>>>> (Lying in bed, I mean, not listening to the omnibus, which I don't do,
>>>>> They can't be morning churchgoers because
>>>>> Rosie
>>>> I'm a Sunday morning churchgoer, but even if I wasn't I wouldn't be
>>>> listening to the omnibuscrash. I lost interest shortly after Nigel
>>>> fell off the roof, and haven't listened since. I remain here because I
>>>> enjoy the company.
>>>> Steve
>>> I didn't finish did I? I grow old.
>>> I was going to say that Sunday morning churchgoers would miss it
>>> anyway. Are there many evening services these day? Long ago there were
>>> complaints that evening services had to be disrupted because of Dr
>>> Finlay's Casebook, or the Forsyte Saga, or whatever, but I think you'd
>>> be hard-pressed these days to find an evening service outside a
>>> cathedral evensong.
>>
>> It depends what variety of church you favour. There are no less than
>> two evening masses at the Catholic cathedral here (one is in Polish).
>
> You remind me of the time (gosh, nearly 30 years ago now!) I found
> myself in a place called Castlegregory in Co Kerry on a Saturday
> evening, There were loads of people wandering around the streets, older
> on the whole than an Italian /passaggiata/ but very much the same sort of
> thing. I went to a pub and it was deserted, but I knew it was a good pub
> because the barman ('curate' is the correct term I understand but I
> don't want to confuse matters) was an expert at Guinness-pouring and
> having the next one half-prepared long before I was done with the
> first. I asked him where everybody was and he said they were going to
> mass. Of course, the pub was rammed a couple of hours (and several
> Guinnesses) later. I suppose that was a very early morning mass.
>
> I know St Giles in Reading, heavy on the bells smells and fiery handbags
> the way I like it, used to do an evening service because some of the
> Quakers from along the alley used to sing in the choir in the
> evening. The Episcopalian ("English Kirk") St Brides in Glasgow does
> that sort of thing but only in the morning. I haven't been to St
> Michaels in Edinburgh, up beyong the Meadows, but I don't think that
> does mornings either. The respective High Kirks of St Mungo and St Giles
> do evenings do evenings but the presbyterians are no fun.
>>
>> No carvery can really do proper gravy, and even a roast can't wait too
>> long to be eaten.
>
> On the other hand, the size of joint that's manageable and affordable
> for a small gathering is neither good quality nor good value. Perhaps
> there's an opening for a BYOG carvery.
>
> Rosie
>

Not in your time Rosie but my grandparents went there for at least 25
years, and I joined them for a short while before they had to move away. I
sang in the choir which is why I joined granny and grandpa Mr McT and I
were married there! No Quakers in my time I might add.

Mrs McT

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:34:20 +0000, BrritSki
> <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2024 01:23, Steveski wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2024 18:32, Vicky wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> And a roast in a carvery
>>>> doesn't taste the same at all. Home-cooked is much better.
>>>
>>> <LW>
>>>
>> I've had some good roasts in restaurants, but as Kate said, the gravy
>> almost always lets them down.
>>
>> But I much prefer home cooked, either by myself or waife with whoever
>> doesn't cook doing the washing up. I am not a stereotypical man-cook
>> though and don't use every pan and mostly clear up as I go along so it's
>> only the last minute pots and pans that are left dirty.
>>
>> I have very fond memories of roasts my Grandma made, almost always roast
>> beef (overcooked by today's standards) and with a heavy Yorkshire
>> Pudding served first with the gravy. Billy Cotton's Bandshow or 2-way
>> Family Favourites on the wireless.
>>
>> And then my Mum's delicious cooking usually lamb or beef, occasionally
>> chicken, but that was a rare treat in the early days.
>>
>> And finally my svigermor and the epic feasts she cooked for family
>> gatherings that were invariably roast pork with amazing crackling, and
>> always red cabbage in addition to the normal veggies.
>>
>> Happy Days
>
> It's interesting (FSVO) how the popularity and availability of meats
> has changed over the years. Like you, I remember chicken being
> something we only had on special occasions but I think lamb was the
> most common Sunday roast when I was very little. And although I was
> familiar, first hand, with the concept of roast beef and Yorkshire
> pudding, it wasn't until just a few years ago that I had the
> experience of Yorkshire pudding and gravy as the starter to the roast
> beef meal. In Yorkshire, of course.
>
> Nick
>

I went to school with lots of northerners, I certainly had the personal
experience once or twice.

Mrs McT

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
> []
>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>> (which was voluntary).
>>
>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>
> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and you
> wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in Winter!

Been there, done that. Had the blackout blinds in one dormitory. Wooden
shutters that let light in at another dormitory. Enid Blyton etc all
carried a flavour of some aspect or other girls point of view at boarding
school: even though my second was co-ed, we could appreciate the plots even
if others didn’t.

Mrs McT

john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 19/03/2024 14:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
>> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>> []
>>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>>> (which was voluntary).
>>>
>>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>>
>> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and you
>> wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in Winter!
>>
>
> I believe the allusion was to the line in the aforereferenced hymn and
> its use a justification for the divinely ordained and therefore
> immutable social order, rather than to your particular circumstances.
>
> john
>

:) indeed it was. One of the first hymns learned by heart age five at
first boarding school.

Mrs McT

Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On 19/03/2024 14:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
>>> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>> []
>>>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>>>> (which was voluntary).
>>>>
>>>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>>> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and
>>> you wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in
>>> Winter!
>>>
>>
>> I believe the allusion was to the line in the aforereferenced hymn and
>> its use a justification for the divinely ordained and therefore
>> immutable social order, rather than to your particular circumstances.
>>
>> john
>
> Fazakerley.
>
> Rosie
>

Giggle. One of my friends has family of that name, *and* when I first knew
of the gentleman, he lived in the suburb of that name in Liverpool.

Mrs McT

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 13:21:02 +0000, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/03/2024 13:01, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> On the other hand, the size of joint that's manageable and affordable
>> for a small gathering is neither good quality nor good value.
>
>Nonsense.
>
>Quality is perfectly possible in a smaller joint if you use a good
>butcher. It may cost more, but I'd rather pay that for good meat, and
>you can add value by reusing the leftovers.
>
>We have just had a delicious lunch of lamb shanks that were bought from
>Waitrose last week and slow cooked on Saturday. 2 shanks were more than
>adequate for 2 of us on 2 days.
>
>Tomorrow we will have a shoulder of pork, slow cooked but with crackling
>that will serve 7 of us and almost certainly have leftovers for the 2 of
>us the next day.
>
>A large free-range chicken will give us at least 6 servings and most
>likely 8. Roast on the day, some reheated the next day with left over
>roasties and skin crisped up. The remaining half will be either curried
>and/or made into polpette. Not to mention lots of lovely stock for
>soups and risotto.

If there are enough people to warrant a large, roast chicken then it
will be served in sight of everyone at the table. If not, I'll still
buy the large bird but remove and freeze the chicken breasts for use
later. With the cost of chicken breastss being what they are, that's
more or less paid for the meal and there are still lots of interesting
pieces of chicken to serve.

As with you, nothing from my chicken goes to waste. Stock from the
bones etc - the etc being that I usually also reserve the chicken fat
for use later. Chicken fat as an alternative to olive oil - or even as
a complement to olive oil - is great for dipping fresh, crusty bread
alongside the meal and I've recently taken to frying my risotto rice
in chicken fat before adding the chicken stock, etc.

Nick

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:03:34 +0000, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 18/03/2024 15:51, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 17/03/2024 21:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> 'They' change things and it's the end of the world.
>>>> I was listening to Fed Up earlier, with the folk complaining
>>>> bitterly
>>>> about TA Omnibus being moved to an hour later on a Sunday morning,
>>>> swapping with Desert Island Discs.
>>>> So who are these people who can't lie in bed for another hour on a
>>>> Sunday to catch the omnibus? I mean, what are Sunday mornings for?
>>>> (Lying in bed, I mean, not listening to the omnibus, which I don't do,
>>>> They can't be morning churchgoers because
>>>> Rosie
>>> I'm a Sunday morning churchgoer, but even if I wasn't I wouldn't be
>>> listening to the omnibuscrash. I lost interest shortly after Nigel
>>> fell off the roof, and haven't listened since. I remain here because I
>>> enjoy the company.
>>> Steve
>>
>> I didn't finish did I? I grow old.
>>
>> I was going to say that Sunday morning churchgoers would miss it
>> anyway. Are there many evening services these day? Long ago there were
>> complaints that evening services had to be disrupted because of Dr
>> Finlay's Casebook, or the Forsyte Saga, or whatever, but I think you'd
>> be hard-pressed these days to find an evening service outside a
>> cathedral evensong.
>
>It depends what variety of church you favour. There are no less than two
>evening masses at the Catholic cathedral here (one is in Polish).
>
Huddersfield has sufficient Catholic churches to offer a mass at more
or less whatever time you want on a Sunday plus at least one mass
every other day of the week. We have no need of a service in Polish:
there has been a Polish population here for many years and there is a
Polish Catholic Church.

Anglicans and other don't seem to do evening masses around here but
there are one or two Sunday evening services and Evensong at the
Parish (That's Parish Church - not to be confused with The Parish, a
rather boozy music venue that attracts some startlingly good acts).

There are one or two more fringey churches around this way with
pastors of the kind that don't think they've delivered a proper sermon
if it hasn't gone on for several hours. They don't generally advertise
evening worship but I've often suspected that the morning services
continue well into the afternoons anyway.

Nick

<snip>

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> john ashby wrote:
>
>> We wnet out for lunch in a pub in Chipping Norton (no sighting of any of
>> the Set) recently and had crab sandwiches. Poorly flavoured filling and
>> bread.which was dry from having been left in the open all morning.
>
> I have to say that we did once have absolutely delicious crab
> sandwiches from a takeaway outlet.
>
> If I mention we were in Padstow, I think you can guess the name
> over the door.
>
> Chris

I didn’t know Mr. Stein )SP?) did takeaways.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
>> On 19/03/2024 20:28, Wenlock wrote:
>>> Jane Vernon <spam@nopotteratthisaddress.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2024 18:29, Vicky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I like sprouts. Unfortunately b won't eat them so we never have them.
>>>>> I quite like ordinary ones but ones fried with bits of bacon are
>>>>> especially nice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are eating bacon, one of my weekend meals during the winter is
>>>> often three slices of bacon, cut up and fried till crispy, plenty of
>>>> sprouts, cut in half and cooked just right, and half a pack of whole
>>>> chestnuts.  It's so delicious.  Not sure what other vegetable would
>>>> substitute for sprouts but I recommend you try to find one and then you
>>>> can just buy a small pack of ready-prepared sprouts for you and a
>>>> different veg for B.  Worth the small effort, IMO.
>>>
>>> I’m going to radical and suggest Jerusalem artichokes as a sprout
>>> substitute served up like that. Their mild bitterness complements the
>>> sweet
>>> of the chestnuts and the saltiness of the bacon.
>>>
>>
>> People seem to like them.  I wasn't sure but they were never served at
>> home because Dad said they tasted of soot.  Then he suddenly decided to
>> like them.  I tasted them and said they tasted of soot.  They did. He
>> scoffed.  (Probably where I got my scoffing ability from.)  I rarely
>> miss an opportunity to pass this on to others, some of whom now think
>> they taste of soot.
>>
>> AFAIK none of us has ever tried eating soot.
>
> I like them, very much, and wouldn't describe them as sooty but I do
> think they have a slightly smokey flavour, which is probably the same thing.
>

And I suggest you leave Sweep alone too - people might start talking.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On 20/03/2024 10:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <l5vq70Fd5rvU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 20 Mar 2024
>>> 09:56:48, Jane Vernon <spam@nopotteratthisaddress.co.uk> writes
>>>> On 19/03/2024 19:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With all the fish stories - I'll just add to my unsophisticated palate
>>>>>> by saying I think the only fish I regularly buy is/are what we used to
>>>>>> call crabsticks, though they're now called seafood sticks, presumably
>>>>>> because there's absolutely no crab in them. (Though they still colour
>>>>>> them the same!)
>>>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjH8y1baxVI>
>>>>>  Enjoy!   ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We came across suremi sticks in France about 20 years ago.  We
>>>> asked our friends what fish they were and they looked blank and
>>>> said "Suremi!"  No mention of crab or cod.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think some people think they taste similar to crab - IIRR, there's
>>> some mention in the above video of that opinion/whatever. Since crab
>>> is expensive, I presume that's the reason they're still packaged in
>>> that way in England.
>>> My mum liked crab; on the odd occasions I had it, I liked it, but
>>> didn't consider the effort involved (or cost of having someone else
>>> make that effort) worth it. (Crabsticks, on the other hand, I _do_
>>> find worth the effort of dealing with the silly packaging, though
>>> still find it irritating/needless.)
>>
>> We wnet out for lunch in a pub in Chipping Norton (no sighting of any
>> of the Set) recently and had crab sandwiches. Poorly flavoured filling
>> and bread.which was dry from having been left in the open all
>> morning.
>
> That was fresh this mawnin'. Two and nine.
>
> Memorable freshly-made crab sandwiches at The Anchor at Seatown in Dorset
> (at the foot of the highest point on the south coast of England, which
> isn't Beachy Head as many people think), washed down with excellent
> Palmer's beer from nearby Bridport. That was thirty years ago, mind.
>
> Crabs are as common as muck and crab fishermen often give them way but
> not many of them get sold as such, they get sent away to be processed
> and tinned or otherwise tweely presented at a healthy mark up, or served
> in upmarket restaurants.
>
> Heaven is fresh boiled crab by the harbour in Annapolis or Baltimore.
>
> Rosie
>
>
>
>
>

As children, we often went to West Bay via Bridport and walked around the
harbour and the shopping area. I was given the treat of a bag (probably
about 100 grms. worth of freshly caught and cooked prawns. I had to shell
them as I walked along the beach area - they don’t come much fresher, we
sometimes saw the fisherman bringing in the catch.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
<snip>

> People seem to like [Jerusalem artichokes].  I wasn't sure but they were never served at
> home because Dad said they tasted of soot.

That's what comes of growing them among those dark, satanic mills.

--
Cheers
Clive

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
>> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>> []
>>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>>> (which was voluntary).
>>>
>>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>>
>> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and you
>> wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in Winter!
>
> Been there, done that. Had the blackout blinds in one dormitory. Wooden
> shutters that let light in at another dormitory. Enid Blyton etc all
> carried a flavour of some aspect or other girls point of view at boarding
> school: even though my second was co-ed, we could appreciate the plots even
> if others didn’t.
>
> Mrs McT
>

Our dorms had ice on the windows in the winter - the ice was on the inside.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> People seem to like [Jerusalem artichokes].  I wasn't sure but they were never served at
>> home because Dad said they tasted of soot.
>
> That's what comes of growing them among those dark, satanic mills.
>

But only in Ancient Times Shirley?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 20/03/2024 15:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/03/2024 10:03, Jane Vernon wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> People seem to like [Jerusalem artichokes].  I wasn't sure but they were never served at
>>> home because Dad said they tasted of soot.
>>
>> That's what comes of growing them among those dark, satanic mills.
>>
>
> But only in Ancient Times Shirley?
>
Shirley is in Southampton. Dark satanic docks maybe ?

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:11:34 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
<rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:

>Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:15:06 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20/03/2024 10:00, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I used to love kidneys.  Then my mum (who for much of her life would
>>>> have eaten anything apart from meat fat, which made her sick) said she
>>>> had gone off them because of the smell of urine when preparing them.  I
>>>> scoffed.  I bought kidneys.  When I was preparing them they smelled of
>>>> urine.
>>>>
>>>> I did manage to prepare and eat them, but have never done so again.  I
>>>> think I still like to eat them, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>My mother used to soak them in milk before cooking to get rid of the smell.
>>
>> An austrian dish my mother made using kidneys is sweet and sour. I
>> liked the flavour and it was ok with liver but didn't like the
>> kidneys. Too many icky tubes.
>
>The kidneys I eat don't have icky tubes. They have a core of suet but
>that melts down in the cooking and contributes to the flavour. Are you
>thinking of liver? The trick with liver of course is to have it sliced
>very thinly and only briefly introduced to the frying pan.
>
>Rosie

No I've never had liver with tubes in. I like Calves and chicken liver
and lamb is ok. I used to make chopped liver and pate with chicken
livers. I don't really cook now, not enough spoons, but am actually
going to do omlettes tonight.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 14:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
>> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>> []
>>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>>> (which was voluntary).
>>>
>>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>>
>> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and you
>> wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in Winter!
>
>Been there, done that. Had the blackout blinds in one dormitory. Wooden
>shutters that let light in at another dormitory. Enid Blyton etc all
>carried a flavour of some aspect or other girls point of view at boarding
>school: even though my second was co-ed, we could appreciate the plots even
>if others didn’t.
>
>Mrs McT

There's a new girls' boarding school series granddaughter likes by
Elly Griffiths, who is one of my favourite authors. Didn't like the
girls' book I tried though.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07KVL2G6S?notRedirectToSDP=1&ref_=dbs_mng_calw_0&storeType=ebooks

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes:

> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <87il1ipdfr.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 19 Mar 2024
>> 13:18:48, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>> []
>>>> I remember in the '70s our school chaplain saying plaintively that he
>>>> wished more "creatures great and small" would come to his evensong
>>>> (which was voluntary).
>>>
>>> The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate...
>>
>> If you mean I (or my folks) was rich, it was a boarding school - and you
>> wouldn't think that if you saw the dormitories, especially in Winter!
>
> Been there, done that. Had the blackout blinds in one dormitory. Wooden
> shutters that let light in at another dormitory. Enid Blyton etc all
> carried a flavour of some aspect or other girls point of view at boarding
> school: even though my second was co-ed, we could appreciate the plots even
> if others didn’t.

As Evelyn Waugh said, anybody who has been to an English public school
would be perfectly at home in prison.

Rosie