Not seen this mentioned before:

https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service

Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together to
create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.

The service, called Freely, will see dozens of channels from the BBC, ITV,
Channel 4 and Paramount-owned Channel 5 distributed on one service baked
into newer-model smart TVs, starting next year.

Freely is being developed by Everyone TV, a joint venture operated by the
four public broadcasters that also oversees Freeview, the digital broadcast
platform in the U.K., and a similar, satellite-based service called
Freesat.

Between them, Freeview and Freesat offer nearly 200 national television
channels and radio stations through their platforms, while on-demand
content is limited to app-based services like BBC iPlayer, ITVX and the
streaming version of Channel 4. Both Freeview and Freesat offer devices
that marry over-the-air or satellite-delivered linear channels with
streaming services, and the Freeview platform is widely supported on smart
TV sets with an integrated digital tuner.

At the moment, no similar streaming alternative exists: While cable
companies and Comcast's Sky satellite service offer streaming versions of
their platforms, those service charge monthly fees on top of the mandatory
annual television tax that British households and businesses must pay if
they watch or record live broadcast channels. (The television tax, called a
license, primarily funds the BBC's TV and radio channels.) The present-day
situation means those who are increasingly gravitating toward streaming
apps for their linear and on-demand content needs are having to do so by
bouncing around services.

Freely is being designed to remove that friction by offering the same core
channels found on Freeview and Freesat. In doing so, the officials behind
Freely and Everyone TV hopes that Freely replicates the linear content
experience that is already found on the other two services, but without the
need to install an over-the-air antenna or satellite dish.

"This new development is a reflection of the fact that a growing number of
UK viewers are watching content online, but still want easy access to the
shared experience of live TV," Jonathan Thompson, the CEO of Everyone TV,
said in a statement. "Our aim is to ensure that all viewers have access to
a free, aggregated live TV experience that champions British content and is
delivered in a way that suits audience needs and preferences. Every one of
us should be able to share in the best of British ideas and creativity on
TV."

Fewer Watching Linear TV

For the broadcasters, the streaming push is also part of an overall
strategy of survivability: As in other countries, British TV viewers are
increasingly moving away from linear television in favor of more-convenient
streaming options. A survey released early last year showed around one in
four British TV viewers have abandoned linear television entirely, while
another 25% of TV viewers say they've scaled back how much live TV they're
watching in any given week.

The trend of TV viewers moving away from traditional linear TV transcends
age brackets, with the majority of young viewers between the ages of 18 to
34 saying they're spending at least two hours a day watching streaming
content, while nearly half of those between the ages of 35 and 54 affirming
the same, according to a survey released by The Trade Desk last September.
Meanwhile, 54% of adults aged 35 to 54 are watching less linear TV, the
survey showed.

"The TV landscape is undergoing a transformation that’s redefining the
viewing experience, as well as the advertising industry as a result," Dave
Castell, the lead analyst for TV partnerships at The Trade Desk, said in a
statement. "The rise of streaming has ushered in a new model of TV
consumption, in which every content creator is providing the consumer with
choice — and consumers expect to watch what they want, when they want, and
how they want."

The decline in live TV's audience is particularly problematic for ITV and
Channel 4, whose broadcast activities are entirely funded by advertising
(Channel 4 is publicly-owned, but receives no money from the television
license). The same financial headwinds that have impacted advertising rates
in other parts of the world have also caused a slowdown in related revenue
for ITV and Channel 4, as marketers shift their budgets toward connected TV
services.

Proponents of linear television, including Everyone TV, say the broadcast
networks still have something to offer British viewers: Collective cultural
moments that can only be experienced through live TV events like sports
tournaments.

"These national TV moments...are instances of an increasingly rare
circumstance of common cause, often crossing the boundaries of age, class
or enthusiasm," Thompson wrote in a blog post last week. "They are made
accessible and available to all through universally-available, free TV, and
they attract audiences of a magnitude that...are an exception rather than
the rule."

On Monday, executives at the public service broadcasters affirmed the
forthcoming Freely service is intended to help bring the same magic of live
TV to viewers who have married themselves to streaming services.

"Streaming TV is increasingly the new normal for audiences, particularly
young viewers, so it has never been more important for trusted [public
service broadcasting] content to be readily available to everyone, for
free," Alex Mahon, the CEO of Channel 4, said in a statement.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not seen this mentioned before:
>
>https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service

It was on the Daily Mail web page the other day. It looks like another
streaming channel carrying a selection of the outputs of the existing
broadcast channels. I'm not sure what, if anything, it will offer that
we can't already see elsewhere.

I understand that it will be carrying broadcast programmes 'live',
i.e. simultaneously with conventional broadcasts, in which case I
suspect its real purpose is to try to popularise a streaming service
which will require a TV licence to watch it. They really don't want to
let it go.

If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.

Rod.

On 20/09/2023 06:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not seen this mentioned before:
>>
>> https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service
>
> It was on the Daily Mail web page the other day. It looks like another
> streaming channel carrying a selection of the outputs of the existing
> broadcast channels. I'm not sure what, if anything, it will offer that
> we can't already see elsewhere.
>
> I understand that it will be carrying broadcast programmes 'live',
> i.e. simultaneously with conventional broadcasts, in which case I
> suspect its real purpose is to try to popularise a streaming service
> which will require a TV licence to watch it. They really don't want to
> let it go.
>
> If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
> simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
> with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
> will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
> with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.
>
> Rod.

Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.

It will also probably require a certain percentage of mobile networks to
be 5g capable so all those caravanners, campers, etc are not
disenfranchised.

Sky are already on this road with Sky Glass so once 95% of their
subscribers are on Sky Glass, the Satellite channels will be closed
down..... and all those sky dishes left to rust, and all the sky dish
fitters given their P45's.....

Tweed wrote:

> Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together
> to create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
> broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.

Sounds like the nth time such a service has been promised ...

On 20/09/2023 08:32, SH wrote:
> I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the closure
> of Freesat thank to Freely.

To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
that has been forecast.

On 20/09/2023 09:07, JMB99 wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 08:32, SH wrote:
>> I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the closure
>> of Freesat thank to Freely.
>
>
> To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
> that has been forecast.
>
>
>

and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
and DAB transmitters have?

S.

On 20/09/2023 in message <uee75k$2r1bf$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

>Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
>Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>closure of Freesat thank to Freely.

There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
streaming.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I was standing in the park wondering why Frisbees got bigger as they get
closer.
Then it hit me.

On 20/09/2023 at 09:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 in message <uee75k$2r1bf$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>> Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
>> Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>> closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>
> There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
> broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
> streaming.
>

Or they just use ordinary telepathy.

--
Wilf

On 20/09/2023 in message <ueecdv$cmmr$2@solani.org> Wilf wrote:

>On 20/09/2023 at 09:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 20/09/2023 in message <uee75k$2r1bf$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>
>>>Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
>>>Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>>>closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>>
>>There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
>>broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
>>streaming.
>>
>
>Or they just use ordinary telepathy.

:-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

On 20/09/2023 09:16, SH wrote:
>
> and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
> and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
> and DAB transmitters have?

And that is the (n x 100)th time that has been predicted.

I can remember many years ago when most people only had a dial-up
connections, there were people posting that we could close down all
terrestrial broadcasting!

On 20.09.2023 10:16, SH wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 09:07, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 20/09/2023 08:32, SH wrote:
>>> I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>>> closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>>
>>
>> To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
>> that has been forecast.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
> and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
> and DAB transmitters have?
>
> S.

I always think this idea that everything is available online and
terrestrial transmitters will no longer be required is extremely
short-sighted.

I wonder how many people do not realise that if there is a major power
outage which could be expected in emergency situations, their telephones
(landline and mobile) not to mention the interweb will no longer function.

I may be repeating myself here, but if I were respionsible, I would
require Droitwich on 198kHz to be kept at least available on stand-by
thus being available in most parts of the country. The problem with this
is I expect nowadays many households can no longer receive longwave
transissions.

Oh well.

On 20.09.2023 12:34, Eddie King wrote:
> On 20.09.2023 10:16, SH wrote:
>> On 20/09/2023 09:07, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 20/09/2023 08:32, SH wrote:
>>>> I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>>>> closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>>>
>>>
>>> To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth
>>> time that has been forecast.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview &
>> Freesat, and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left
>> do the FM and DAB transmitters have?
>>
>> S.
>
> I always think this idea that everything is available online and
> terrestrial transmitters will no longer be required is extremely
> short-sighted.
>
> I wonder how many people do not realise that if there is a major power
> outage which could be expected in emergency situations, their telephones
> (landline and mobile) not to mention the interweb will no longer function.
>
> I may be repeating myself here, but if I were respionsible, I would
> require Droitwich on 198kHz to be kept at least available on stand-by
> thus being available in most parts of the country. The problem with this
> is I expect nowadays many households can no longer receive longwave
> transissions.
>
> Oh well.

sorry for the spilling mistooks in the previous massage

SH wrote:

>Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
>Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>closure of Freesat thank to Freely.

Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
available for recording.

I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
provide the ability to record radio to a card.

I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
the bits around the living room.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> SH wrote:
>
> >Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
> >Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
> >closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>
> Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
> and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
> available for recording.
>
> I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
> skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
> produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
> blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
> provide the ability to record radio to a card.
>
> I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
> the bits around the living room.
>
Given the quality (or not) of current programmes I am less and less
inclined to jump through hoops in order to watch anything. As it
becomes more difficult I simply watch less. In fact when I'm at home
by myself and no one else turns the TV on to watch I just about never
watch anything.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green wrote:

>Given the quality (or not) of current programmes I am less and less
>inclined to jump through hoops in order to watch anything. As it
>becomes more difficult I simply watch less. In fact when I'm at home
>by myself and no one else turns the TV on to watch I just about never
>watch anything.

Each time the old PVR filled with stuff, much of which was
recorded at the behest of the other 50% of the household, I had
to spend ages copying it off to DVD. At least the new HD PVR has
greater capacity, and I can't copy off the material, so decisions
have to be made as the free space counts down. One or two sets
have already been culled, unseen.

If broadcasting ceased tomorrow, I reckon we would have enough to
watch for at least a year.

I will say that, since the smart TV has a pretty good Youtube
interface, I have found a lot of really interesting channels to
follow, many of which are much more viewable than broadcast
material.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 20/09/2023 12:11, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> SH wrote:
>
>> Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
>> Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
>> closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
>
> Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
> and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
> available for recording.
>
> I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
> skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
> produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
> blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
> provide the ability to record radio to a card.
>
> I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
> the bits around the living room.

It really requires a freeware (or relatively inexpensive) program to
record the stream and then play it back, with the ability to change the
speed of the replayed program, or jump varying amounts. Of course, this
could be defeated fairly simply by encoding the stream and making the
decoder available only to TV manufacturers as a pre-programmed chip
(isn't that what's already done with OTA HD PVRs?). I've little doubt
that the chip could also be made programmable so that if the encryption
was broken at any time, the stream and chip could be reprogrammed with
the new encryption/decryption.

I guess it would be possible to "play" the stream on a spare TV and
point a camera at it to record the program for future viewing with
"editing", but I think that would be getting more than a bit OTT!

--

Jeff

On 20/09/2023 in message <ueeqvd$2ukid$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

>I guess it would be possible to "play" the stream on a spare TV and point
>a camera at it to record the program for future viewing with "editing",
>but I think that would be getting more than a bit OTT!

Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
HD Game Capture Box:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.

--
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It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

On 20/09/2023 15:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

"Currently unavailable"

> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

"Currently unavailable"

--

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I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 20/09/2023 in message <uef0mi$2vqu4$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

>On 20/09/2023 15:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>"Currently unavailable"
>
>>https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>"Currently unavailable"

I bought them some while ago, you just need to look for alternatives.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

On 20/09/2023 15:47, Java Jive wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 15:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> "Currently unavailable"

In the "Compare with similar items" towards the bottom of the page there
are three listed. Do they all do the same thing?

>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> "Currently unavailable"

No "Compare with similar items" on that page, but there is a "Customers
who viewed this item also viewed" and that seems to have a similar device.

This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come
from and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an
MP4 file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than
ARC). My Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that
I get iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I
supposed to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and
convert it to an MP4 file?

Looking at the manuals for both Panasonics, it seems the PVR can act as
a server and client (DLNA). It will mean a lot more reading for me, but
at a quick look HDMI isn't involved. Similarly the TV can be used with a
home network, but that's with Ethernet or wifi. I think my smartphone
can cast to the TV, and I think I read somewhere that it's possible with
Linux Mint to cast to the TV from my laptop. All of this seems much more
complicated than using the PVR to record a programme and play it back!
Perhaps it's just because it's new and unfamiliar.

--

Jeff

In article <uef0mi$2vqu4$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 15:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> >
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

> "Currently unavailable"

> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

> "Currently unavailable"

Get an HDMI UHF modulator. The two I have place 1080p tv channels
into an extra freeview T mux not a T2 mux but it's still HD. Then get
a cheap chinese freeview tuner box that allows you to plug in a
portable USB hard drive. Tune the freeview tuner to the modulator
output. Record anything with no encryption.

I have tried a single hdmi input modulator from Edision

https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/EDISION-HDMI-MODULATOR-single-DVB-T-Full-HD-Distribution-over-Coax

and a dual (two channels in one mux) from Antiference Conexer.

https://cpc.farnell.com/antiference/dmhd02/twin-input-dvb-t-hdmi-modulator/dp/AP03666

Both types worked fine.

The Edision is supposed to be able to change the LCN to anywhere you
want but it didn't work for me, it always came up as 800 whereas the
Antiference can be set easily.

Bob.

Well, as long as from the outset it can have the accessibility bits that
normal tv has without having to turn it on on every programme you watch as
seems to happen on a lot of streaming programs, and which at the moment many
streaming providers don't even provide. My Samsung tv comes with Samsung tv
plus channels but if any AD is there, I cannot find it since the actual
apps are inaccessible on a tv made in 2020. Hardly old.
Brian

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"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not seen this mentioned before:
>
> https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service
>
>
> Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together to
> create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
> broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.
>
> The service, called Freely, will see dozens of channels from the BBC, ITV,
> Channel 4 and Paramount-owned Channel 5 distributed on one service baked
> into newer-model smart TVs, starting next year.
>
> Freely is being developed by Everyone TV, a joint venture operated by the
> four public broadcasters that also oversees Freeview, the digital
> broadcast
> platform in the U.K., and a similar, satellite-based service called
> Freesat.
>
> Between them, Freeview and Freesat offer nearly 200 national television
> channels and radio stations through their platforms, while on-demand
> content is limited to app-based services like BBC iPlayer, ITVX and the
> streaming version of Channel 4. Both Freeview and Freesat offer devices
> that marry over-the-air or satellite-delivered linear channels with
> streaming services, and the Freeview platform is widely supported on smart
> TV sets with an integrated digital tuner.
>
> At the moment, no similar streaming alternative exists: While cable
> companies and Comcast's Sky satellite service offer streaming versions of
> their platforms, those service charge monthly fees on top of the mandatory
> annual television tax that British households and businesses must pay if
> they watch or record live broadcast channels. (The television tax, called
> a
> license, primarily funds the BBC's TV and radio channels.) The present-day
> situation means those who are increasingly gravitating toward streaming
> apps for their linear and on-demand content needs are having to do so by
> bouncing around services.
>
> Freely is being designed to remove that friction by offering the same core
> channels found on Freeview and Freesat. In doing so, the officials behind
> Freely and Everyone TV hopes that Freely replicates the linear content
> experience that is already found on the other two services, but without
> the
> need to install an over-the-air antenna or satellite dish.
>
> "This new development is a reflection of the fact that a growing number of
> UK viewers are watching content online, but still want easy access to the
> shared experience of live TV," Jonathan Thompson, the CEO of Everyone TV,
> said in a statement. "Our aim is to ensure that all viewers have access to
> a free, aggregated live TV experience that champions British content and
> is
> delivered in a way that suits audience needs and preferences. Every one of
> us should be able to share in the best of British ideas and creativity on
> TV."
>
> Fewer Watching Linear TV
>
> For the broadcasters, the streaming push is also part of an overall
> strategy of survivability: As in other countries, British TV viewers are
> increasingly moving away from linear television in favor of
> more-convenient
> streaming options. A survey released early last year showed around one in
> four British TV viewers have abandoned linear television entirely, while
> another 25% of TV viewers say they've scaled back how much live TV they're
> watching in any given week.
>
> The trend of TV viewers moving away from traditional linear TV transcends
> age brackets, with the majority of young viewers between the ages of 18 to
> 34 saying they're spending at least two hours a day watching streaming
> content, while nearly half of those between the ages of 35 and 54
> affirming
> the same, according to a survey released by The Trade Desk last September.
> Meanwhile, 54% of adults aged 35 to 54 are watching less linear TV, the
> survey showed.
>
> "The TV landscape is undergoing a transformation that's redefining the
> viewing experience, as well as the advertising industry as a result," Dave
> Castell, the lead analyst for TV partnerships at The Trade Desk, said in a
> statement. "The rise of streaming has ushered in a new model of TV
> consumption, in which every content creator is providing the consumer with
> choice - and consumers expect to watch what they want, when they want, and
> how they want."
>
> The decline in live TV's audience is particularly problematic for ITV and
> Channel 4, whose broadcast activities are entirely funded by advertising
> (Channel 4 is publicly-owned, but receives no money from the television
> license). The same financial headwinds that have impacted advertising
> rates
> in other parts of the world have also caused a slowdown in related revenue
> for ITV and Channel 4, as marketers shift their budgets toward connected
> TV
> services.
>
> Proponents of linear television, including Everyone TV, say the broadcast
> networks still have something to offer British viewers: Collective
> cultural
> moments that can only be experienced through live TV events like sports
> tournaments.
>
> "These national TV moments...are instances of an increasingly rare
> circumstance of common cause, often crossing the boundaries of age, class
> or enthusiasm," Thompson wrote in a blog post last week. "They are made
> accessible and available to all through universally-available, free TV,
> and
> they attract audiences of a magnitude that...are an exception rather than
> the rule."
>
> On Monday, executives at the public service broadcasters affirmed the
> forthcoming Freely service is intended to help bring the same magic of
> live
> TV to viewers who have married themselves to streaming services.
>
> "Streaming TV is increasingly the new normal for audiences, particularly
> young viewers, so it has never been more important for trusted [public
> service broadcasting] content to be readily available to everyone, for
> free," Alex Mahon, the CEO of Channel 4, said in a statement.
>

On 20/09/2023 in message <uef5i1$30ijv$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

>This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come from
>and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an MP4
>file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than ARC). My
>Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that I get
>iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I supposed
>to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and convert it to an
>MP4 file?

You take the HDMI output from the PVR, feed it into a splitter then the
Capture box which you hang a hard drive or SSD off. I made myself a
diagram because I always end up holding all the bits in my hands and not
knowing what to connect where. I put it on Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rq5t5s2g2a4ox0qwke6rg/Video-Capture.png?rlkey=ykdhnbzltvld9u3kbm09pg281&dl=0

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On 20/09/2023 17:21, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <uef0mi$2vqu4$1@dont-email.me>,
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 20/09/2023 15:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>> "Currently unavailable"
>
>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>> "Currently unavailable"
>
> Get an HDMI UHF modulator. The two I have place 1080p tv channels
> into an extra freeview T mux not a T2 mux but it's still HD. Then get
> a cheap chinese freeview tuner box that allows you to plug in a
> portable USB hard drive. Tune the freeview tuner to the modulator
> output. Record anything with no encryption.
>
> I have tried a single hdmi input modulator from Edision
>
> https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/EDISION-HDMI-MODULATOR-single-DVB-T-Full-HD-Distribution-over-Coax
>
> and a dual (two channels in one mux) from Antiference Conexer.
>
> https://cpc.farnell.com/antiference/dmhd02/twin-input-dvb-t-hdmi-modulator/dp/AP03666
>
> Both types worked fine.
>
> The Edision is supposed to be able to change the LCN to anywhere you
> want but it didn't work for me, it always came up as 800 whereas the
> Antiference can be set easily.
>
> Bob.
>

Another option is this:

https://www.elgato.com/us/en/p/game-capture-hd60-x

Connect a few of these to a PC, Rasp Pi or Laptop and record to the
device's HDDs.

Dont even need any HDMI splitters as this supports passthrough

And this will support 1080P 60 Hz as well (anything higher, it will pass
through and doownsample to 1080P60 for the PC

In article <uf0lgiht4qu1ffb3s51e7thq8fndjm54li@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
> simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
> with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
> will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
> with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.

It will be convenient from my POV if it will be possible to use openly
available software to watch it via a computer. Particularly if it can be
recorded and inc decent HD. That would certainly justy the Licence for me.
However I guess they will be determined to prevent this.

Jim

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