Roderick Stewart wrote:

>There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
>recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
>recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
>means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.

The biggest issue for me would be the inability to avoid the
adverts.

I have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview
reception on the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy
ad breaks, but on other occasions the ad bumpers run back to
back.

Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)

Chris
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On 25/09/2023 10:00, Wilf wrote:
> On 25/09/2023 at 09:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:52:40 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/09/2023 09:34, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
>>>> to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anything worth watching on TV is repeated often enough so no need to
>>> record to archive it.
>>> Record to time shift view or jump through adverts but not to make a copy
>>> that is likely to sit there gathering dust until you die.
>>
>> There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
>> recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
>> recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
>> means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
>>
>> Rod.
>
> Recording allows you to skip over the adverts.

What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.

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Jeff

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> Roderick Stewart wrote:
>
>> There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
>> recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
>> recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
>> means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
>
> The biggest issue for me would be the inability to avoid the
> adverts.
>
> I have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview
> reception on the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy
> ad breaks, but on other occasions the ad bumpers run back to
> back.
>
> Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)
>
> Chris

Skipping adverts is the main reason we pay for Sky Q. As well as recording
and then playing back broadcast material to skip adverts, all the online
streamed stuff goes first to the hard disk allowing the ads to be skipped.
There are no unskipable adverts like there are on many streaming services.

On 25/09/2023 09:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
> recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
> recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
> means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.

That relies on the streaming company leaving their whole back catalogue
available and often the most interesting programmes are not ones they
are least likely to leave accessible.

On 25/09/2023 10:03, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts?

That will probably just make advertising during programmes for
trainspotters cheaper so the advertiser might but more space during
those programmes because so cheap.

On 25/09/2023 10:41, Tweed wrote:
> Skipping adverts is the main reason we pay for Sky Q. As well as
> recording and then playing back broadcast material to skip adverts, all
> the online streamed stuff goes first to the hard disk allowing the ads
> to be skipped. There are no unskipable adverts like there are on many
> streaming services.

Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one time
manage to restrict skipping adverts?

It was some years ago but not seen recently but rarely watch Channel 4
and rarer for there to be something worth recording on Channel 4.

> Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one
> time manage to restrict skipping adverts?

Only in their own web streaming service, not the programmes they allowed Sky to
stream to hard disk.

But the original Channel 4 streaming service was so crap you'd get part way
through a programme and it would stop and you never got to see the end, even
days later. Gave up using it.

Angus

On 25/09/2023 13:53, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
> Only in their own web streaming service, not the programmes they allowed
> Sky to stream to hard disk.

It was broadcast TV - terrestrial (never had satellite).

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:26:11 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
> recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
> recordings that the broadcasters have already made.

Until 'they' decide for whatever reason to 'cancel' or censor the thing
you want to watch, which used to be available but isn't any more.

Still peddling the same old stuff Rod.
I expect even when you're dead you'll still find some way of dissing
everything.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:40:24 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
> frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.

And speeding up to skip through stuff.

On 25/09/2023 17:22, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:40:24 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
>> frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.
>
> And speeding up to skip through stuff.

That's possible when streaming - or at least it is on my Panasonic TV.
But it's rather coarse, and jumps by a lot. What I find odd about
iPlayer is that if the programme you're streaming is still live, you can
speed through it, but other than watching the clock timer you have no
idea where you are as there are no thumbnails visible. They are visible
if you stream a programme which has finished. Why?

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Jeff

In article <vl8tgidi9r80362htutaij0egf4712h289@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough to
> watch all your recorded programmes anyway.

The point for me is quicker choice. I can find files of AV far quicker than
I can find a specific CD or DVD. (Generating a file list and using grep,
for example.)

Also a small caddy takes up much less space that a huge pile of CDs/DVDs.

If I want to shift a lot of AV from one machine to another, I just unplug
the 8TB USB SSD and walk it from one to the other.

Jim

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In article <uejpkr$4qcd$1@dont-email.me>, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> > If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its
> > worth noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
> >
> > Jim
> >

> ...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
> the end of the century to transfer it!

Well, the machines I use will transfer a an HD recording of a hour or two
in a few seconds. Seems fast enough to me. Bulk transfers can be done
while I have a cup of tea.

Jim

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On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 10:15:08 UTC+1, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <uejpkr$4qcd$1...@dont-email.me>, Woody <harro...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
> > > If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its
> > > worth noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
>
> > ...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
> > the end of the century to transfer it!
> Well, the machines I use will transfer a an HD recording of a hour or two
> in a few seconds.

Impressive, but I suspect that you are confusing bits an bytes.

"The theoretical transfer speed of USB 3.0 is 4.8 Gbit/s (600MBps) vs. 480 Mbit/s (60MBps) which is a 10X improvement. Sustained transfer speeds (real life) for external hard drives are about 85MBps for USB 3.0 and about 22MBps for USB 2.0, so about a 5X improvement but still a significant advancement in transfer speed.
"

> Seems fast enough to me. Bulk transfers can be done
> while I have a cup of tea.

OTOH you should be able to copy a 2 hour full HD movie while you have a cup of tea. For 4k video add the time it takes to brew it...

> Jim
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On 26/09/2023 13:26, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "The theoretical transfer speed of USB 3.0 is 4.8 Gbit/s (600MBps) vs.
> 480 Mbit/s (60MBps) which is a 10X improvement. Sustained transfer
> speeds (real life) for external hard drives are about 85MBps for USB 3.0
> and about 22MBps for USB 2.0, so about a 5X improvement but still a
> significant advancement in transfer speed.

It all depends, a friend in the US told me a few years ago that he
transferred all his photographs to the 'Cloud'. It took ages on his
slow broadband at home (just outside SF) - my BT was faster.

A few years later he did it from his office, I think they had an
Exabit/s circuit at least. Took a few minutes.

On 26/09/2023 10:15, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <vl8tgidi9r80362htutaij0egf4712h289@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
> <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough to
>> watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
>
> The point for me is quicker choice. I can find files of AV far quicker than
> I can find a specific CD or DVD. (Generating a file list and using grep,
> for example.)
>
> Also a small caddy takes up much less space that a huge pile of CDs/DVDs.
>
> If I want to shift a lot of AV from one machine to another, I just unplug
> the 8TB USB SSD and walk it from one to the other.
>
> Jim
>

yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....

In article <2ui2hil98j066m517gh0g3vijjrh26drat@4ax.com>, Chris J Dixon
<chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview reception on
> the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy ad breaks, but on
> other occasions the ad bumpers run back to back.

> Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)

Well, apart from the 'Hornby' series I've enjoyed the 'Electro Retro
Repair' series - admittedly partly because I know 'T' and used to work with
him. Good to see the old logo on TV as well.:-)

Jim

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In article <uersd6$1t0nl$4@dont-email.me>, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

> Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one time
> manage to restrict skipping adverts?

I can't recall if it was Ch4 or ITV, but I tried one of their 'web' access
methods years ago. And found that *any* use of pause, rewind, etc, prompted
being subject to the same series of ads before you could see any more of
the programme. Only tried it once. PITA. Even recording onto DVD made more
sense!

Jim

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In article <uevfke$2lu2s$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

> yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....

I've taken to calling it 'slippernet' as I wear those these days, not
sneakers. :-)

Jim

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In article <744a7770-ddfa-4f87-938d-a6bd7e6e8855n@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

> Impressive, but I suspect that you are confusing bits an bytes.

Probably more that I'm not allowing for cacheing, etc. Curious now, so I'll
do a test using one of the 8TBSSDs and the fast laptop I use for processing
AV. Certainly gives a good 'fire and forget' speed. :-)

FWIW if someone can find the relevant issue, I wrote about this in a recent
HFN.

Jim

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On 28/09/2023 10:00, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <uevfke$2lu2s$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....
>
> I've taken to calling it 'slippernet' as I wear those these days, not
> sneakers. :-)
>
> Jim
>

Very good!

:-D

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> The very fact that you cannot ignore a chance to promote right-wing
> propaganda is in and of itself proof of your bigotry - go and piss
> your life up against a wall somewhere else, people here aren't interested.

Whilst I might perhaps agree with you on the first and second parts
of your remarks, I'm not so sure about the accuracy of the last. :-)

#Paul