On 11/22/2023 2:03 AM, Robert in CA wrote:

>
> I think at this point its more important to get the 780 to post
> to Google groups.
>
> If Win7 dies on me what are the symtoms? I can always put
> in the Win 10 hd's we made.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

"get the 780 to post to Google groups"

That would be this.

FF 115.50esr 64 bit

Please tell me, what the version of the current Optiplex 780 Firefox is.
Help, About, or whatever method works for you.

Paul

On 11/22/2023 6:58 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Here's my FF showing it's running the esr and is up to date.
>
> https://postimg.cc/7b4vG58r
>
> Robert
>

Is this on XPS 8500 or Optiplex 780 ?

Have you checked the Bookmarks list ?
Is the list fully populated ?

Paul

On 11/22/2023 3:04 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> This is all I could find but it's made in the U.S.A.
> and free shipping and cheaper. What do you think?
>
> https://www.newegg.com/avarum-8gb/p/0RN-00UF-00212
>
> Robert
>

The chips are Micron, and D9PFJ are from 11 years ago.

That makes me suspect the pictures of the product are
that old. It is unlikely the DIMMs will be exactly as
shown when they arrive. There's a good chance those
are x8 chips at least, so the part number did not
suggest a nibble-wide x4 chip scam.

Manufacturing these days is JIT. And you don't make
so many of a modules that they sit on a shelf for eleven years.
You could buy a huge batch of chips, and then your chips
are 11 years old and the PCB is one year old. That's
a possibility.

My main concern when I vet product, is that the product
is tested, and the RAM is not "fall-outs", or out-of-spec
chips. When the Micron part number is printed on top, as
long as Micron printed the number, that's a tested part.
"Blanks" are untested. If the lid has nothing printed on it,
it's UTT RAM. Which is fine, if the company owns a tester.

To give you an example of a nightmare product, I bought
eight 512MB sticks once for about half price. Five of them
died, and the evidence suggested that there was a chemical
impurity problem, and the DIMMs just sitting in a computer
in storage, would kill them. Takes about three years and
them the DIMMs throw errors like crazy. And when I got the
RAM, of course the chips were made by a company I'd never
heard of before. The chips were not from a "major" company
like Hynix, Micron, or Samsung.

I've had a lot of trouble with off-brand memory, which
is why I don't buy it any more. Off-brand memory on average,
lasts about a year and a half. The chemical problem, that
wasn't even "in-service" wear -- those spent most of their
time in storage. If they sit in an antistatic bag, they'll
live forever. If the PC power is off, and the DIMMs sit in
the gold sockets, that's what kills them. The three that are
left, will eventually die. Some day. It's guaranteed, as it were.
When I put that PC in the junk room, I take the DIMMs out
and sit them in antistatic bags.

Paul

The previous pic was of the 8500
here's the 780 FF.

https://postimg.cc/MMT6cg7M

What do you think of these? I'm just shooting in the dark here.
At least it shows (6) in stock so they don't have to ship them
from China

https://www.amazon.com/4GBx2-240-pin-DIMM-DDR3-PC3-12800/dp/B005NU49DG?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A2NDNAPHQ3UDKH&th=1

Can you suggest any other RAM made in the USA? After waiting
all that time for RAM only to find they couldn't deliver it then wanted
additional shipping fees to re-ship it. Newegg said they would just
repeat the same mistake and get it wrong again. I don't want to
go through that again.

Thanks,
Robert

I'm not sure what you mean by my bookmark list?

If you mean about:profiles both have them but I
haven't opened them to check what's inside.

The 780 has regular bookmarks and is fully populated
after I exported / imported bookmarks from the 8500.

Robert

On 11/23/2023 3:05 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean by my bookmark list?
>
> If you mean about:profiles both have them but I
> haven't opened them to check what's inside.
>
> The 780 has regular bookmarks and is fully populated
> after I exported / imported bookmarks from the 8500.
>
> Robert
>

What I was trying to explain, is if you install 115ESR, it
makes a new profile. And the content from the old browser
doesn't get there automatically.

profiles.ini
Profiles\
5pi451dl.default\ (small)
vfoi5r0q.default-release\ ~50MB <=== this has my bookmarks
q5e08poh.default-esr ~44MB <=== the new one doesn't have my bookmarks

It sounds like it must have done the right thing, if you have
no complaints about what you see in it.

To get my bookmarks for example, I could use the Profile Manager
to select vfoi5r0q.default-release as the profile. The Profile
Manager shows that choice as "default-release".

I'm hoping you will be able to post to Google Groups
from the 780, once 115ESR is running there. As it is
pretty close to the latest.

Paul

On 11/23/2023 2:54 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> The previous pic was of the 8500
> here's the 780 FF.
>
> https://postimg.cc/MMT6cg7M
>
> What do you think of these? I'm just shooting in the dark here.
> At least it shows (6) in stock so they don't have to ship them
> from China
>
> https://www.amazon.com/4GBx2-240-pin-DIMM-DDR3-PC3-12800/dp/B005NU49DG?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A2NDNAPHQ3UDKH&th=1
>
> Can you suggest any other RAM made in the USA? After waiting
> all that time for RAM only to find they couldn't deliver it then wanted
> additional shipping fees to re-ship it. Newegg said they would just
> repeat the same mistake and get it wrong again. I don't want to
> go through that again.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
As far as I know, the end of production of the raw chips was in March.

I'm a little surprised that Crucial did not stockpile some chips
and continue making a module you could buy. They did that before with
SDRAM in the old days. Perhaps five years after production stopped,
you could still get "nice" 256MB modules. Some of the other sizes were
missing, but they had the right ones, that fit in several old junk
PCs here.

I do not know if the small fabs, have the aggressive equipment to make
2Gbit chips. In the old days, more companies could make stuff. It
costs a fortune (2 billion to 10 billion) to build a fab now, so this
is not the territory for a company with a couple thousand employees.

I wanted to get some DDR3 for my laptop, but I've given up on
the project. The modules I wanted, are all gone.

If there had been any pre-announcement of what was happening,
I could have reviewed my "stock" at the time, and not missed the boat.

You could try at Best Buy or Staples and see what they've got. But
from March to November is a long time, and if there was anything left
it's long gone by now. Like, my computer store just doesn't stock
anything now. They only have the "most popular items", like some new
motherboards, CPUs to go in them, and RAM to go with them. No reason
to have any stockpile of DDR3. I can't even get a USB3 card in there now.
But I can have a $500 router if I want :-/ Staples has more computer
monitors, than my computer store!

Paul

Where would I type profiles.ini ?

I have no complaints,. everything looks OK

The only problem is the 780 can't post. Also
on the 780 Keyboard the L doesn't function
or the number pad because I spilled coffee
on it awhile back. Luckily I have a number
of keyboards so replaced it with one of those
but that one the colon : doesn't work so I used
the 8500 keyboard to do the about:profiles on
the 780 then switched them back.

I checked into buying another Keyboard and
I found a few under $100 but the prices have
really gone up on some of these Microsoft 4000
keyboards.

Since were talking about bookmarks, can I move
my bookmarks from Win 7 to Win 10? Can I also
move My Documents from Win 7 to Win 10?
Basically, the same thing we just did to the 780.

I have tried repeatedly to post from the 780 and it
still fails with missing operating system.

As a matter Of fact I had some spare RAM but it
was from the 8200:

https://postimg.cc/pm9Nd4zq

Here's my hd's

https://postimg.cc/fk51fDv8

https://postimg.cc/kBpZLsz8

https://postimg.cc/cghkhBfv

https://postimg.cc/qNKmST8V

https://postimg.cc/14TrQdR9

https://postimg.cc/DWB1YjY3

external hd's

https://postimg.cc/qty2pBR0

and here's my PSU's

https://postimg.cc/vgXgm4dR

I tried to buy the RAM on Amazon and you
wouldn't believe the hassle I went through
just to log in. I had to call them twice because
the first guy hung up on me. They said there's
a problem with my account and that they need
to resolve it and will contact me. In the meantime
I have the RAM hanging in the cart that I can't access.

See what I mean, ?

I'm thinking of looking on eBay for it.

Computers are like cars, they come out with a new
model or OS every year whether good or not, some
are classics. I like to feel I have classics with the Win 7
Pro and the Dell's have been very reliable with Seagate
hd's.

Robert

I tried something different, I put a new unused SD card in the USB adaptor
and created a WinPE10 and then restarted the 780 an hit F12 and selected
USB Device and it worked!!

https://postimg.cc/56ppXWzL

https://postimg.cc/dkMjbsMP

https://postimg.cc/ThNJxJvJ

https://postimg.cc/SXGcvWG8

https://postimg.cc/pyrKs55h

https://postimg.cc/tYVWj059

https://postimg.cc/ygbgMn3J

https://postimg.cc/rdyDz7S0

https://postimg.cc/FkSR2vQq

Robert

I have tried repeatedly to post from the 780 and it
still fails with missing operating system.

Of course, I meant whenever I try to point I get the
Capcha and check it but I don't get the cancel/ continue
option. I try every day with the same result.

The 780 has posted before so its not like a new computer
but for some reason it can't post to google groups anymore.
That's why its so important because if I have a problem
with the 8500 I wont be able to contact you.

Robert

I have tried repeatedly to post from the 780 and it
still fails with missing operating system.

Of course, I meant whenever I try to post I get the
Capcha and check it but I don't get the cancel/ continue
option. I try every day with the same result.

The 780 has posted before so its not like a new computer
but for some reason it can't post to google groups anymore.
That's why its so important because if I have a problem
with the 8500 I wont be able to contact you.

Robert

Since as you say DDR3 RAM is so hard to find.I'll
wait and hope that Amazon can sort my account out
so that I can purchase the RAM. It's already in the
cart.
In the meantime, just to be sure I checked out some
RAM on ebay:

What do you think of these?

Corsair Vengeance :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204496570723?epid=132878746&hash=item2f9cf20963%3Ag%3AXCoAAOSwDjxlJuU6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8OuVmekIhr96yLmC5tUojH69SoMEZELu98ReT9kGL5e2yFfGId%2Fz2dHoVydWzh68eMWYq8KKdk5QmwNaIVOpo%2FqBvZf9LkH6jXPCdb2QAHQIQsjuPjewIoFYF5SNTijXZUh%2FdmVh3RTEqta1bL7jQ28nVjJlgfoDBiunuVJWyLsSqUaDVzc3AQrn2r2JRvE%2F4JfdTlToPBejPjyo5BvMa13XmvUcJzF9GVegrWTzdJD%2Bz%2BOuUvWMMWxIEkw1phwMLYN4RM%2BjyHixz0PQHyjNOt3FfjUXMNg4m2EdXfzmwUMMgYllpAtWvF1jhpDaO4n4aw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6qNuOj_Yg&LH_ItemCondition=3

Crucial:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204490032373?hash=item2f9c8e44f5:g:Th8AAOSwEGFlIakl&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8PSeGEWNyswSSGZY1Zdz2h8QpaWzD4Z7ncWR38lZde2xH6LyR2dNP3IPDU6NDwbcy2Ko%2BQ3spDhrElioqab4evQtWp22YEANhCfRgcu1UWMRpnYIdjSfRear%2F%2FExxsrtMcPTV7cQzoIYayHKwhD1CMUM6CQ0NgWJg6TkMVThRiBL0keGvMsqUXVYPIzksxzQQp8nkr7PtL%2BJr6gvxwZg6W5zFE1aI%2B1L8yvLIQF9IPKXXM2Ur9i8h3mfOUm0ArlFUHs2Hd3ZyArBmAdwsIYJyFsKMV8GLXkJk1XgGofzYDkWweGWn%2BuQQPvNpSeHitxmZQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7LN1uj_Yg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/386290610640?hash=item59f0b6f1d0:g:9BAAAOSwpB5lP2kM&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABAH7sJtNKwndx9AuvFHHoS3nPN%2BIiFijZMLnPPc5QgXpUIBBXciXPEmgA%2BRYrOZv5o1aR1xS2E25OovUQLlDtcmcSvxF9fWoj8ehViaGV3pPo0IzpAGxUSe%2FVkjRP0CE9ExJY39wn6yaXMwg%2BVZRPjRbeiCDv1o6wBK7M5RofcFDHIcLasLy2%2BIx3f86%2BJ5lo36ADKuyoQyScUOGlvAf39Ir6DfvuXFxZubf2MsmEbIZxgyZPfDxILtJtsfPMUDzkRUwf6hh8PoqG0hYej2UKKLPhAuAh2iy28GWsWU3Ku73KSu%2Byhsgi3870wqgmC0ox5nJitDMJxU8NrQJHZLGVOHo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMsM3W6P9i

This has nothing to do with the 8500 or 780 but I was
just curious about someday of maybe hooking the 8200
back up and see if it would run? I boxed it still running
after all the upgrades we made to it.

Although it doesn't have mrimg capability. I have all the
original cd's that came with it.

In fact, that's how the mrimgs came about because I
remember having to rebuild the entire system a few times
with your good help and had hundreds of updates we had
to do through. I didn't want to go through that again so
now I have the mrimgs.

Robert

OK, this is scary,,... I just got an IE pop-up display window for IE11
on the 780.

From what we've discussed and since the 8500 didn't respond when I
clicked the iexplorer.exe I assume everything is OK but I'm going to
disconnect the ethernet cable and then use the recommended settings
then I'll click OK and hope for the best. I'' take pics as I go.

Robert

I had just run SuperAntispyware on the 780 and
that seems to trigger the pop-up display because
it did the same thing on the 8500 last time I ran it.

In fact, its running now on the 8500.

So here I go on the 780 and lets hope for the best.
I clicked OK but nothing happened afterward and
the dialog box closed.

https://postimg.cc/Czb5YhbF

I tried posting from the 780 afterwards but again it
failed.

Robert

I just realized I forgot to disconnect the ethernet cable before
I clicked OK but since nothing happened, I assume I'm OK?

Robert

This is just a test to make sure the 8500
is OK.

Robert

I think instead of waiting or dealing with Amazon
I would just rather order through ebay. After waiting
all that time and Newegg not delivering and not being
able to login to Amazon. It's not worth it.

So far Amazon hasn't sent me any emails but if I
finally do gain access I'll just delete the RAM in
the cart and not deal with them anymore.

I'd like your opinion on which one you'd recommend?

Corsair Vengeance: new in the box

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204496570723?epid=132878746&hash=item2f9cf20963%3Ag%3AXCoAAOSwDjxlJuU6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABEEPluTrDAAnLpbkzWSTRY1GfJ1axRsAdLNVoZgP1yT82otYITXK7O1%2FzOgtZfFgS7TXbmPYITUyHxmzjFBdrALK%2F8zmx2u9hjd1i82gZuWb2W0t75j0QpDadxPgXoMu6055a7GCAOvsMLOa4Nlp2HrxOlb9DkJ187iceOTr5WNl46g%2BfRiPlspPcD8LZnfGxHXZ50tS%2F6UNyIiRAnc6%2FpZxYwDm9Jk5CZ4ZXKJBUmetLvQAMI7vJMIKagLp53hJ2RPjSrkG7umPrCzdNlhNHKZhNS16O7N3FDCK4QOZ0kd46o0GSy0WwJ9RVPLmyy0gtgUoblZrGzd3Ue4jIJdvtWanyWaPab9yIwGVgI1V%2FHPhF%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_Dz0ceAYw&LH_ItemCondition=3

Crucial: this is is little higher priced but it a sealed package.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166362438304?epid=215888583&hash=item26bbf95aa0%3Ag%3A72MAAOSwiWhghOuB&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8Fj6qWeJb1Gu%2F%2BtIGqOl7anjSsx%2FuXB0s2iHKL2FmDsltqxqexer6Vf1UFEzlTmRG7fOeR43kaHtvpNQJaarXfDkyCpLBG0dyEZ%2FC4%2FYz2oJuArHAwyreQ7UFTP0jUC5KVBzsAGX3JSwEvGzncbraQz7DScICAFSXsJQansfjsiO80KlUjz%2BIgVzji2JO5Vi1z41qLsmibsgpaBztojtQP1Aw5VGiWQ3iJYwsDzj31K1NN6PJ%2F%2B%2BfcwYP0JM8Tj60T1o7vmu%2BO3EsXcnxfw3C%2FwKBaSjfOYrnvec4fgIfVb%2BUFHyRIFiI08t0gU%2B5OcomQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rH-ceAYw&LH_ItemCondition=3

I also switched to a third keyboard I had on and 780 where
everything works.

Once we get the RAM I can install it and the PCI card and run
the mini disk that came with it, then the memtest86.

Robert
Thanks,
Robert

I went ahead and bought the Corsair Vengeance RAM.
I checked and they are suppose to be very fast and good
and have the same warranty as Crucial and was allot cheaper.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204496570723?epid=132878746&hash=item2f9cf20963%3Ag%3AXCoAAOSwDjxlJuU6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABEEPluTrDAAnLpbkzWSTRY1GfJ1axRsAdLNVoZgP1yT82otYITXK7O1%2FzOgtZfFgS7TXbmPYITUyHxmzjFBdrALK%2F8zmx2u9hjd1i82gZuWb2W0t75j0QpDadxPgXoMu6055a7GCAOvsMLOa4Nlp2HrxOlb9DkJ187iceOTr5WNl46g%2BfRiPlspPcD8LZnfGxHXZ50tS%2F6UNyIiRAnc6%2FpZxYwDm9Jk5CZ4ZXKJBUmetLvQAMI7vJMIKagLp53hJ2RPjSrkG7umPrCzdNlhNHKZhNS16O7N3FDCK4QOZ0kd46o0GSy0WwJ9RVPLmyy0gtgUoblZrGzd3Ue4jIJdvtWanyWaPab9yIwGVgI1V%2FHPhF%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_Dz0ceAYw&LH_ItemCondition=3

Robert

I have a problem...

I was trying to create a PE10 Rescue CD for the 8500
using an old CD-RW I had and during the process it had
to be cleaned. This time it required a download unlike the
others but it said it finished successfully, so I restarted
the computer but it never gave me the F12 prompt and
went straight to the MBR .

So how do I restore it? so it gives me my F12 prompt back?
Should I try System Restore? Would the SD card with PE10
I made for the 780 work on the 8500?

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

Here's where we are:

The 780 is still waiting for the RAM,
this is my 3rd attempt in trying to buy it
after Newegg couldn't find my address
and I couldn't and still can't logon to
Amazon.

I have the PCI card with 3.0 port and
will install both once I receive the RAM.
Hopefully there won't be any hitch's this
time and the RAM will be OK. Then I'll
run the mini disk and then the memtest
and of course take pics and keep you posted
to my progress.

With regards to the 8500 I thought creating
the PE10 was a bit unusual than the other Rescue
CD's I've made because it had to clean the CD and
it couldn't find the WIM file so it had to search
then download it. However it said it finished
successfully. It was when I restarted it that I
noticed it was missing the F12 prompt screen
and went directly to the Windows Boot Manager
screen.

I restarted it again to verify it was gone and sure
enough it skips right to the WBM screen.
Somehow in creating the PE10 for the 8500 it
screwed it up so my F12 screen disappeared.
Can we get it back?

I haven't done anything because I didn't want to
make things worst. I did manage to access the F12
option by pressing F12 as soon as the screen went
black so we should be able to do a mrimg restore but
I thought you might have another solution?

I thought of System Restore but it probably wouldn't
be enough to correct the problem but a mrimg restore
should be able to if all else fails. I mean that's the whole
point in having them.

I ordered new Verbatim CD-RW's so I don't have any
more problems like this. I'll also order more SD card
and some Patriot sticks. How you seen their new models?
They even have some with 1TB now!
Now even my TV remote is going out on me, *L* so will go
looking for a universal remote tomorrow at Walmart.

thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

On 11/26/2023 7:31 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I have a problem...
>
> I was trying to create a PE10 Rescue CD for the 8500
> using an old CD-RW I had and during the process it had
> to be cleaned. This time it required a download unlike the
> others but it said it finished successfully, so I restarted
> the computer but it never gave me the F12 prompt and
> went straight to the MBR .
>
> So how do I restore it? so it gives me my F12 prompt back?
> Should I try System Restore? Would the SD card with PE10
> I made for the 780 work on the 8500?
>
> Thoughts/suggestions?
> Robert
>

If the XPS 8500 has a UEFI BIOS, it is possible for an OS application
to adjust it, without the user entering the BIOS to do it.

On Linux, this is called "efibootmgr" and I think it can make adjustments.

As far as I know, there is more than one model-year of the XPS 8500.

Around PDF page 120, is "System Setup Options"

https://dl.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_xps_desktop/xps-8500_owner%27s%20manual_en-us.pdf

Boot Mode Legacy or UEFI (Legacy by default) # This should not normally need adjustment
# If a device is hybrid, either setting would work.
# I don't even know of a utility to identify the config (boot type)

1st Boot Device USB Storage \
2nd Boot Device ODD Device (CDROM) \___ This is a sample ordering
3rd Boot Device Internal HDD /
4th Boot Device (Disabled)
5th Boot Device (Disabled) <=== network boot (PXE) would be useless for most people

Windows 7 does not have Fast Start, so the OS cannot steal away
control from your BIOS choices.

The machine will appear out of control, if the keyboard is not working.
We have been through this exercise before.

I do not know of a good way to prove the keyboard really works.
The shift lock may cause a shift-lock LED to light, as a toggle test.

Paul

On 11/25/2023 12:18 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I think instead of waiting or dealing with Amazon
> I would just rather order through ebay. After waiting
> all that time and Newegg not delivering and not being
> able to login to Amazon. It's not worth it.
>
> So far Amazon hasn't sent me any emails but if I
> finally do gain access I'll just delete the RAM in
> the cart and not deal with them anymore.
>
> I'd like your opinion on which one you'd recommend?
>
> Corsair Vengeance: new in the box
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204496570723?epid=132878746&hash=item2f9cf20963%3Ag%3AXCoAAOSwDjxlJuU6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABEEPluTrDAAnLpbkzWSTRY1GfJ1axRsAdLNVoZgP1yT82otYITXK7O1%2FzOgtZfFgS7TXbmPYITUyHxmzjFBdrALK%2F8zmx2u9hjd1i82gZuWb2W0t75j0QpDadxPgXoMu6055a7GCAOvsMLOa4Nlp2HrxOlb9DkJ187iceOTr5WNl46g%2BfRiPlspPcD8LZnfGxHXZ50tS%2F6UNyIiRAnc6%2FpZxYwDm9Jk5CZ4ZXKJBUmetLvQAMI7vJMIKagLp53hJ2RPjSrkG7umPrCzdNlhNHKZhNS16O7N3FDCK4QOZ0kd46o0GSy0WwJ9RVPLmyy0gtgUoblZrGzd3Ue4jIJdvtWanyWaPab9yIwGVgI1V%2FHPhF%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_Dz0ceAYw&LH_ItemCondition=3
>
> Crucial: this is is little higher priced but it a sealed package.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/166362438304?epid=215888583&hash=item26bbf95aa0%3Ag%3A72MAAOSwiWhghOuB&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8Fj6qWeJb1Gu%2F%2BtIGqOl7anjSsx%2FuXB0s2iHKL2FmDsltqxqexer6Vf1UFEzlTmRG7fOeR43kaHtvpNQJaarXfDkyCpLBG0dyEZ%2FC4%2FYz2oJuArHAwyreQ7UFTP0jUC5KVBzsAGX3JSwEvGzncbraQz7DScICAFSXsJQansfjsiO80KlUjz%2BIgVzji2JO5Vi1z41qLsmibsgpaBztojtQP1Aw5VGiWQ3iJYwsDzj31K1NN6PJ%2F%2B%2BfcwYP0JM8Tj60T1o7vmu%2BO3EsXcnxfw3C%2FwKBaSjfOYrnvec4fgIfVb%2BUFHyRIFiI08t0gU%2B5OcomQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rH-ceAYw&LH_ItemCondition=3
>
>
> I also switched to a third keyboard I had on and 780 where
> everything works.
>
> Once we get the RAM I can install it and the PCI card and run
> the mini disk that came with it, then the memtest86.
>
> Robert
> Thanks,
> Robert

The Crucial would be a slightly older product. I
can tell from the 1.5V specification. Crucial had been
selling backward compatible 1.35V RAM for some time, in
its place. And they always tell people it can be used
for 1.5V work.

The Corsair might have the same timing spec. It's
really hard to tell with the info I can find. The Corsair
is a rather tall module, but in the 780, height is not
a problem. The Dell machines tend to be BTX layout and
the RAM doesn't usually go underneath the CPU cooler
on a Dell. Which is why a tall module isn't a problem.
Normally, you have to be careful of the height, as
the modules can bump into stuff. So that looks OK, at
least for the 780.

the prices are relatively high, in the two examples.

But shopping online is a hard thing, as I can attest to here.
It's the Wild West.

At the moment, I don't see a problem with either product.
Says UDIMM so they're not a registered model. CAS doesn't
particularly look fast or slow. If I was shopping for RAM,
I would be using CPUZ, and checking the two sticks I
already had, for their CAS number, and then doing the
scaling arithmetic, to scale the CAS from 1600 speed
down to the 780 DDR3-1066 speed. The purpose of doing
the math, is to see if the new modules are faster or
slower, and if slower, how much they would slow things
down by. Again, my gut says they're likely in the same
ballpark, as just a wild guess on my part.

The DDR3 I've got is CAS7, but the machine simply won't
take advantage of the nice modules I gave it. Mine are
some 2400's running at 1066 :-) It's better to use them,
then to leave them sitting in the junk room. The machine
they came out of, has its own higher-capacity 2400's.

As long as you're happy with the price, I don't anticipate
a problem with their installation. The big metal on top,
they'll likely be shoulder to shoulder. The metal is
electrically isolated and is not set to any particular
electrical potential. As an engineer, I kinda cringe when
I see the big metal on them, as some of the modules could
quite easily work without heat spreaders. And with the
heat spreaders off, the benefit is, there's an air channel
and a tiny bit of room for air to flow.

Some brands of modules, pressing on the top of the module
is like pressing on the teeth of a saw blade :-/ For those,
I use a piece of "pusher-stick" to apply pressure and seat them.

Paul

On 11/23/2023 10:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I just realized I forgot to disconnect the ethernet cable before
> I clicked OK but since nothing happened, I assume I'm OK?
>
> Robert
>

If nothing happened, no browser window opened, then you're OK.

Paul

On 11/23/2023 10:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I had just run SuperAntispyware on the 780 and
> that seems to trigger the pop-up display because
> it did the same thing on the 8500 last time I ran it.
>
> In fact, its running now on the 8500.
>
> So here I go on the 780 and lets hope for the best.
> I clicked OK but nothing happened afterward and
> the dialog box closed.
>
> https://postimg.cc/Czb5YhbF
>
> I tried posting from the 780 afterwards but again it
> failed.
>
> Robert
>

As long as you're using a modern version of Firefox,
there is not much else I can suggest. 115ESR is all
that's left for Windows 7.

And the thing is, when you go to post, you're already
"logged into Google", which means their cookie is set
and everything. There isn't any other authentication
I can think of for that which would help.

Paul

I went to page 120 but when it says look for the F2
prompt don't they mean F12 because I don't get a F2?
I'm not seeing the F12 boot options screen on the 8500.
and page 120 just shows what I should have not instructions.

I don't even know if the 8500 has UEFI to use vs BIOS?
It seems your suggesting I change the boot order?
but how does that fix the 8500 F12 not showing
problem? I'm not following you here,...

Are you trying to fix the boot order on the 8500 so I
don't have to press F12? We tried before and it wouldn't
accept the changes we made and doing F12 on the 8500
isn't a big deal. It's the 780 that's a pain in the ass to use
the F12 option and detects the cd-d's normally so I don't
like using the F12 option on it.

However to test the new 3.0 port I will use it the next time I
do mrimgs.

I don't have a good memory so when you say we've
been through this before I don't remember it honesty.
If I'm not doing something everyday I forget it and this
is all technical which I have a hard time remembering.
and I never was good at math.

I remember I had to switch keyboards awhile back
which is why I bought a new generic one which is what
the 780 is now using but I don't remember the circumstances.
Is that what you're referring to? Anyway the problem isn't
the keyboards.

You've lost me ,.. I'm trying to understand. All I want
is to get the 8500 back to normal where the F12 boot
options screen shows again. Then I can make a WinPE10
Rescue disk using the new Verbatim CD-RW's. Isn't there
some way of bringing back the F12 boot options screen?

I was going to try a System Restore first, and if that
didn't work then I was going to try a mrimg restore.

The RAM should be here Friday and then I'll install it
and the PCI card with the mini disk and do the memtest.

I found out later that the Corsair once sold for $90 and
when I checked again it was $65 on eBay. I bought mine
for $30 new in the box. I just hope this time everything is
OK.

I checked the height also but it shouldn't be a problem
the slots are away from everything else and more than
enough clearance. I was more concerned about if I had
enough clearance for the flaring but it should be OK.

So the 780 is screwed as far as posting to Google? Do
you think at some point it might change?

In passing,.. my TV remote stopped working so I went
and bought a universal remote. I tried all the codes they
gave and none worked. So then I tried the auto mode and
it found one that turned it off but wouldn't turn it back on.
I managed to get the TV turned back on with the old remote
then just unplugged it.
You'd think they would make tv's with a on/off button.
Robert