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by: gtr - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:02 UTC

On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>
>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>
>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>> more...
>>>>
>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>
>>>
>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>
>>
>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>
>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>
>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>
>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>
>
> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
> and date formats?
>
> I find that highly doubtful.
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>
> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>
> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had
no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

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by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:34 UTC

On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>> more...
>>>>>
>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>
>>>
>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>
>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>
>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>
>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>
>>
>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>> and date formats?
>>
>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>
>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>
>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'
>
> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had
> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
of the date column in the Finder?

Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

....provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
required the short format.

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by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:13 UTC

On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>
>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>
>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>
>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>> and date formats?
>>>
>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>
>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>
>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>> year.'
>>
>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>> it had
>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>
> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
> of the date column in the Finder?
>
> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
> as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>
> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
> required the short format.

What OS are you using?

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by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:40 UTC

Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.

On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).

Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
have bookmarked it or copied it ....

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by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:52 UTC

On 2023-11-10 13:13, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for
>>>>> work
>>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>
>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>> and date formats?
>>>>
>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>
>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>
>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>> year.'
>>>
>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>>> it had
>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>
>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>
>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>
>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>> required the short format.
>
> What OS are you using?
>
>
>

Monterey.

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by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:53 UTC

On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for
>>>>> work
>>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>
>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>> and date formats?
>>>>
>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>
>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>
>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>> year.'
>>>
>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>>> it had
>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>
>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>
>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>
>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>> required the short format.
>
> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>
> So
>
> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>
> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.
>
>
> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).
>
> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
> have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>

Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...

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by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 23:23 UTC

On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>> over,
>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>>> year.'
>>>>
>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>> found it had
>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>
>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>
>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>
>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>>> required the short format.
>>
>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>
>> So
>>
>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>
>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.
>>
>>
>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).
>>
>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
>> have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>
>
> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...

All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.

[AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
(under "Advanced") is gone. No more. Vanished.

So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw

Sonoma (And I believe Ventura): No "Advanced" button to get at the
finer selections (above AAA).
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix

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by: Alan - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 03:34 UTC

On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade
>>>>>>>>> - or
>>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it
>>>>>>> for work
>>>>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay
>>>>>>> on one
>>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some
>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get
>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>>>> year.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>>> found it had
>>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>>
>>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>>
>>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>>
>>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>>>> required the short format.
>>>
>>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>>
>>> So
>>>
>>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>>
>>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
>>> should have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>>
>>
>> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...
>
>
> All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.
>
> [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
> (under "Advanced") is gone. No more. Vanished.
>
> So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>
>
> Sonoma (And I believe Ventura): No "Advanced" button to get at the
> finer selections (above AAA).
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix
>

Well that makes no sense at all.

It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?

Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

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by: Alan Browne- - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:19 UTC

On 2023-11-10 22:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade
>>>>>>>>>> - or
>>>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1
>>>>>>>> Gb/s).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it
>>>>>>>> for work
>>>>>>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay
>>>>>>>> on one
>>>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some
>>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get
>>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month,
>>>>>>> then year.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>>>> found it had
>>>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width
>>>>> that required the short format.
>>>>
>>>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>>>
>>>> So
>>>>
>>>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>>>
>>>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
>>>> time).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
>>>> should have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...
>>
>>
>> All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.
>>
>> [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
>> (under "Advanced") is gone. No more. Vanished.
>>
>> So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>>
>>
>> Sonoma (And I believe Ventura): No "Advanced" button to get at the
>> finer selections (above AAA).
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix
>>
>
> Well that makes no sense at all.
>
> It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?
>
> Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
as mentioned above.

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by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:30 UTC

On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>
> You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
> fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
> as mentioned above.

It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
this without explanation.

--
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by: Alan Browne- - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:48 UTC

On 2023-11-11 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>>
>> You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
>> fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
>> as mentioned above.
>
> It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
> this without explanation.

Especially since the underlying capability is still there - via issuing
commands in terminal - but they stripped out the setting UI. Maybe they
gave someone two weeks notice and he slipped this in ....

Anyway I (and others) have sent "bug" reports requesting it be restored.

My workaround also doesn't survive a re-boot, so I'll have to make it
into a script that execs on login... delays, delays ...

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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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Subject: Re: It's a boy!
Date: 11 Nov 2023 23:02:48 GMT
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by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:02 UTC

On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
> On 2023-11-11 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
>>> fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
>>> as mentioned above.
>>
>> It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
>> this without explanation.
>
> Especially since the underlying capability is still there - via issuing
> commands in terminal - but they stripped out the setting UI. Maybe they
> gave someone two weeks notice and he slipped this in ....

More like they often decide to redesign a user interface, and simply
don't bother to re-implement deep features in the new UI.

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computers / comp.sys.mac.system / Re: It's a boy!

Subject	Author
Troubleshooting kernel panics	André G. Isaak
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Bob Campbell
Troubleshooting kernel panics	David Brooks
Troubleshooting kernel panics	André G. Isaak
Troubleshooting kernel panics	David Brooks
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	gtr
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
Troubleshooting kernel panics	André G. Isaak
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Capt'n Butler
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	nospam
It's a boy!	Jolly Roger
It's a boy!	gtr
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan
Troubleshooting kernel panics	André G. Isaak
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Jolly Roger
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
External USB SSD Disk Utility/First Aid Issue-- RESOLVED	Capt'n Butler
It's a boy!	Alan
It's a boy!	gtr
It's a boy!	Alan
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Alan
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Alan
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Alan
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Jolly Roger
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Jolly Roger
It's a boy!	Capt'n Butler
It's a boy!	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	gtr
It's a boy!	Jörg_Lorenz
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	gtr
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	gtr
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
It's a boy!	Jörg_Lorenz
It's a boy!	gtr
It's a boy!	Alan Browne
It's a boy!	Alan Browne-
External USB SSD Disk Utility/First Aid Issue-- RESOLVED	Ant
Troubleshooting kernel panics	Alan Browne
Troubleshooting kernel panics	André G. Isaak
External USB SSD Disk Utility/First Aid Issue-- RESOLVED	Jolly Roger