On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:54:45 +0100
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On 18/06/2023 14:52, Johnny wrote:
> > snip <
> >
> > Anyone that wants to try a problem free Linux operating system
> > should try MX Linux. There is no reason to ever open a terminal
> > and type in commands. You just use it.
> >
> > https://mxlinux.org/
> >
>
> I thought I might try it.
> They don't make it easy for non linux users presuming that everyone
> knows the difference between xfce, kde & fluxbox.
> No sizes for those on restricted downloads.
> Seems every standard desktop is black. Yuk!
> No doubt it can be changed once the OS is installed.
>

–Xfce (our flagship desktop) It's the best.

The desktop can be easily changed. It's the operating system that you
should check out.

The panel can also be moved from the left side to the bottom using MX
Tweak, a tool for customizing the look and feel to your taste.

Download MX Linux, put it on a USB stick and boot from the USB stick.
You can run it from there to check it out, you don't have to install it.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:12:35 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:47:36 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/2ddw5xdu
> >
> > I don't remember doing anything except installing the download.
>
> Thanks, Bob.
>
> I was using the same installer (from MajorGeeks) for my Win 11 laptop
> that I had installed on my Win 10 desktop. And on the site where you
> linked to, Winaero says their installer was updated and doesn't get
> the message "Error opening file for writing: C:\Windows\System32\en-
> US\cmncliM.dll.mui". That message looks awfully familiar: it may well
> be the one got from the MajorGeeks installer.
>
> I'll give the Winaero one a try and report back.

This install went without a problem on my Win 11
laptop, and the game I tried seems to play okay. No
internet required to play, of core and no ads. Thanks,
Bob!

I was going to try Winaero's Win 10?style Task Manager,
but at the last minute I decided to stick with Win 11's
a bit longer and try to get used to it. In general I
don't like to load too many third-party replacements of
Windows files because if I then have some sort of
problem there are more things to troubleshoot.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:29:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:12:35 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> >I see that they also have a Win 10?type Task Manager for use in Win
> >11. I don't care for the new Win 11 one, so I'll give Winaero's
> >version a try also.
>
>
> You might also want to try the freeware Task Manager Deluxe.

D'oh! I actually installed that a few weeks ago, tried
it, and then forgot about it.

Oops!

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 19:33:18 -0400, Paul wrote:
> On 6/18/2023 2:45 PM, Boris wrote:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> > a Patch Tuesday or an Update, don't know which. I didn't realize it
> > until I needed it.
> >
> > Boris
>
> Yes, mine is off too.
>
> I don't even bother checking it any more.

Weird. My System Restore is still turned on. And I
definitely went through updates last week.

> It's no good in a malware situation. It might be
> useful during an update.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 19.6.23 4:30 pm, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:12:35 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:47:36 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> > https://tinyurl.com/2ddw5xdu
>> >
>> > I don't remember doing anything except installing the download.
>>
>> Thanks, Bob.
>>
>> I was using the same installer (from MajorGeeks) for my Win 11 laptop
>> that I had installed on my Win 10 desktop. And on the site where you
>> linked to, Winaero says their installer was updated and doesn't get
>> the message "Error opening file for writing: C:\Windows\System32\en-
>> US\cmncliM.dll.mui". That message looks awfully familiar: it may well
>> be the one got from the MajorGeeks installer.
>>
>> I'll give the Winaero one a try and report back.
>
> This install went without a problem on my Win 11
> laptop, and the game I tried seems to play okay. No
> internet required to play, of core and no ads. Thanks,
> Bob!
>
> I was going to try Winaero's Win 10?style Task Manager,
> but at the last minute I decided to stick with Win 11's
> a bit longer and try to get used to it. In general I
> don't like to load too many third-party replacements of
> Windows files because if I then have some sort of
> problem there are more things to troubleshoot.
>
>

Having given myself a reminder about Winaero Tweaks, I ran it, got an
update and applied it and went thought the options again. There are a
few new ones which I found useful too, so I applied those and then
backed it up again.

--
Bob,
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus
Licence, which fools call liberty.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 08:37:00 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:29:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:12:35 -0700, Stan Brown
>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> >I see that they also have a Win 10?type Task Manager for use in Win
>> >11. I don't care for the new Win 11 one, so I'll give Winaero's
>> >version a try also.
>>
>>
>> You might also want to try the freeware Task Manager Deluxe.
>
>D'oh! I actually installed that a few weeks ago, tried
>it, and then forgot about it.
>
>Oops!

LOL! No problem. I've done the same thing with more than one program
I've installed.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 08:42:49 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 19:33:18 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> On 6/18/2023 2:45 PM, Boris wrote:
>>
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> > a Patch Tuesday or an Update, don't know which. I didn't realize it
>> > until I needed it.
>> >
>> > Boris
>>
>> Yes, mine is off too.
>>
>> I don't even bother checking it any more.
>
>Weird. My System Restore is still turned on. And I
>definitely went through updates last week.

Same here.

On 6/18/2023 8:23 PM, rabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-06-18 1:35 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:43:59 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 16:19:51 -0700
>>>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16.6.23 1:34 am, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> It may not be what you really want to hear, but you should just
>>>>>>>> create a Microsoft account, and log into Windows with it.  This
>>>>>>>> obsessive need, to work around that, is just missing the point
>>>>>>>> of using a modern computer, with the latest and greatest OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I too can't see why it is a problem to have a Microsoft account -
>>>>>>> mine comes in quite handy on many occasions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:33:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>>>> It's not a problem it's an annoyance. MS has managed fine for
>>>>>> nearly 30 years without needing us to create an account with them
>>>>>> simply to be able to use Windows. This "feature" only benefits
>>>>>> them. The heavy handedness is unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good answer, Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll just add that one big negative to having a Microsoft account,
>>>>> for many of us, is that it helps Microsoft to aggregate information
>>>>> about us: "we are not the customers, we are (our personal information
>>>>> is) the product."
>>>>
>>>> It amazes me how people will put up with an operating system that
>>>> annoys them constantly.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I don't. I use a Mac for work and at home the Windows PC is
>>> rarely turned on.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fortunately, I also don't. I use a Windows 11 PC, which I have
>> configured to my liking with third-party programs. It seldom annoys
>> me. I'm happy with the way I have it set up.
>>
>> I've never used a Macintosh, nor any flavor of Linux. I see no reason
>> to switch from  what I know and like.
>
> To be completely honest, the Mac is a wonderful machine, especially if you have no interest in playing games. It runs everything it should, quietly, and the hardware is very reliable. Additionally, its screens generally have the nicest colour and sharpness you can get on the market.
>
> In Linux's case, if your hardware is a little older, chances are that Linux will support it out of the box. The experience isn't perfect for a machine that was just released, but it tends to get stellar within a year or two. However, it has traditionally and continues to struggle with waking from sleep if your machine supports S3. However, since today's machines are deployed with S3 disabled and S0 standard, it won't struggle at all.
>

In Windows world, we call this "S0ic" so it will not be confused with plain S0.
"S0ic" has the unique capacity to run anywhere from S0 thru S3, and
remains responsive while saving power. At one time, only MS put it on Surface,
as the other manufacturers were not convinced it was "ripe yet".

Surface Others
S0ic \ S0
\__ responsive S1
/ S3 Sleep (unresponsive, except to restore itself to S0)
S4 S4 Hibernate
S5 S5 Soft Off

Linux might not be ready for "s0ic" machines either. This is
not as simple as it looks. It would be a lot of work for someone.

*******

When your product does not work right, there is a language they
use, for coding ACPI objects. Most of us know these things by
their object names, like "Power Button". Pressing the power button
on the front, that accesses a subroutine written in this language.

https://uefi.org/htmlspecs/ACPI_Spec_6_4_html/19_ASL_Reference/ACPI_Source_Language_Reference.html?highlight=acpi%20source%20language

If a developer at Lenovo, makes a mistake in that language,
maybe it prevents successful recovery from sleep. There are
claims of finding "quirks" in all sorts of equipment, where
stuff like that is not coded properly.

This is different than the hardware design issues. When
you Sleep S3 a computer, the RAM voltage is actually
turned down a tiny bit, and the sticks are put in AutoRefresh.
AutoRefresh is a Command on the Command bus, just before
the sticks are put to sleep. (This is to stretch the battery
as long as possible.) A failure at the hardware level, can
also doom S3 recovery. The differences can sometimes be seen
in the timing (if the machine lights up and seems to be doing
something, it might be past the point where the hardware did it).

There's all sorts of details down there, too many for me to follow.
And sometimes, that's the area that broke the recovery from S3.

https://www.usenix.org/legacy/publications/library/proceedings/usenix02/tech/freenix/full_papers/watanabe/watanabe_html/node4.html

There are multiple 500 page documents awaiting ACPI noobs.
You will have to buy reading glasses, as a start. And if it's
a cold day, you can burn copies of the ACPI spec to keep warm.

Paul