On 11/1/23 15:55, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 00:57, T wrote:
>> On 10/31/23 17:41, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, apparently it did.
>>>
>>> It's very small though, and very little actually seems different
>>> after updating to it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Firefox (Linux based) is downloading the iso now.
>> Say it is 6.2 GB.
>>
>> Perhaps "small" was the Media Creation Tool?
>>
>> Sometimes the tool is wonderful.  Sometimes it is
>> a pain in the ...
>>
>> If I go to the download site with Linux, M$ lets me
>> directly download the ISO.  But if M$ detects a Windows
>> browser, oh no no no no no.
>
> I meant it's very small if you install it from Windows Update.
>
> Of course it's the usual multi GB if for some reason you download the ISO.
>

The reason for the ISO is that the normal way jams at
times on my customers. Running the update from the ISO
fixes that. So I carry the ISO with me on a read only
flash drive. Consequently, when I upgrade my own W10-11,
I use the ISO to make sure I learns any gotchas before
trying it at a customer site. I also need it incase
I have to do a wipe and reinstall anywhere.

On 01/11/2023 17:27, Joel wrote:
>
> Installation Assistant failed for me multiple times, including after a
> reboot. I tried running setup.exe from the mounted ISO once, prior to
> the reboot, now that it's a new day, I'm giving that one more shot.
>

You will need to download the full ISO to upgrade. The ISO can be
mounted in Windows and then run the setup.exe to upgrade. You need to be
an administrator user or user with admin privileges. It can take about an
hour to upgrade.

Simon <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

>> Installation Assistant failed for me multiple times, including after a
>> reboot. I tried running setup.exe from the mounted ISO once, prior to
>> the reboot, now that it's a new day, I'm giving that one more shot.
>
>You will need to download the full ISO to upgrade. The ISO can be
>mounted in Windows and then run the setup.exe to upgrade. You need to be
>an administrator user or user with admin privileges. It can take about an
>hour to upgrade.

You quoted me saying I tried that.

--
Joel Crump

On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>
> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>
> Did 23H2 just hit?
>
> -T

Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.

Lynn

On 01/11/2023 23:08, Simon wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 17:27, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Installation Assistant failed for me multiple times, including after a
>> reboot. I tried running setup.exe from the mounted ISO once, prior to
>> the reboot, now that it's a new day, I'm giving that one more shot.
>>
>
> You will need to download the full ISO to upgrade. The ISO can be
> mounted in Windows and then run the setup.exe to upgrade. You need to be
> an administrator user or user with admin privileges. It can take about an
> hour to upgrade.
>

What are you talking about?

Just say yes when Windows update offers you 23H2, wait a moment while it
downloads, reboot and in a couple of minutes you're on 23H2.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 11/1/2023 6:55 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 00:57, T wrote:
>> On 10/31/23 17:41, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, apparently it did.
>>>
>>> It's very small though, and very little actually seems different after updating to it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Firefox (Linux based) is downloading the iso now.
>> Say it is 6.2 GB.
>>
>> Perhaps "small" was the Media Creation Tool?
>>
>> Sometimes the tool is wonderful.  Sometimes it is
>> a pain in the ...
>>
>> If I go to the download site with Linux, M$ lets me
>> directly download the ISO.  But if M$ detects a Windows
>> browser, oh no no no no no.
>
> I meant it's very small if you install it from Windows Update.
>
> Of course it's the usual multi GB if for some reason you download the ISO.
>

I keep media here, just for repair install reasons.

Paul

On 11/1/2023 9:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>
>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>
>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>
>> -T
>
> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>
> Lynn
>

Some info here. The first one provides the "base coat", the second
one flips a switch to use it.

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/kb5027397-enablement-package-for-windows-11-version-23h2-feature-update.19372/

# Slide the "Give me updates as soon as possible button" switch ON
# and then these might show up. Later, you can turn the "Give Me Updates"
# thing OFF again. The velocity of these is reduced, without the switch
# being used. These would otherwise randomly show up later.

October 31, 2023 - KB5031455 (OS Builds 22621.2506 and 22631.2506) Preview
or a later cumulative update

KB5027397 Enablement Package for Windows 11 version 23H2 Feature Update

The Preview item, the base coat, is already sitting in my Windows Update
window, without using the switch. Presumably it would change from a Preview,
to a mandatory update, around Patch Tuesday or so.

Paul

On 11/1/23 22:26, Paul wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 6:55 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 01/11/2023 00:57, T wrote:
>>> On 10/31/23 17:41, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, apparently it did.
>>>>
>>>> It's very small though, and very little actually seems different after updating to it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox (Linux based) is downloading the iso now.
>>> Say it is 6.2 GB.
>>>
>>> Perhaps "small" was the Media Creation Tool?
>>>
>>> Sometimes the tool is wonderful.  Sometimes it is
>>> a pain in the ...
>>>
>>> If I go to the download site with Linux, M$ lets me
>>> directly download the ISO.  But if M$ detects a Windows
>>> browser, oh no no no no no.
>>
>> I meant it's very small if you install it from Windows Update.
>>
>> Of course it's the usual multi GB if for some reason you download the ISO.
>>
>
> I keep media here, just for repair install reasons.
>
> Paul
>

You can also use it to open a command prompt and go whack
things on your local drive

On 11/1/23 18:32, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 23:08, Simon wrote:
>> On 01/11/2023 17:27, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> Installation Assistant failed for me multiple times, including after a
>>> reboot.  I tried running setup.exe from the mounted ISO once, prior to
>>> the reboot, now that it's a new day, I'm giving that one more shot.
>>>
>>
>> You will need to download the full ISO to upgrade. The ISO can be
>> mounted in Windows and then run the setup.exe to upgrade. You need to be
>> an administrator user or user with admin privileges. It can take about an
>> hour to upgrade.
>>
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> Just say yes when Windows update offers you 23H2, wait a moment while it
> downloads, reboot and in a couple of minutes you're on 23H2.
>

Hi Brian,

Most of the time, yes.

For when it does not, mounting the ISO and running
setup cure a lot of ills.

I recommend that you keep a flash drive of the ISO and
a flash drive of a Linux Live USB for rescue purposes.

-T

Paul wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 9:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>>
>>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>>
>>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>
> Some info here. The first one provides the "base coat", the second
> one flips a switch to use it.
>
> https://www.elevenforum.com/t/kb5027397-enablement-package-for-windows-11-version-23h2-feature-update.19372/
>
>
> # Slide the "Give me updates as soon as possible button" switch ON
> # and then these might show up. Later, you can turn the "Give Me Updates"
> # thing OFF again. The velocity of these is reduced, without the switch
> # being used. These would otherwise randomly show up later.
>
> October 31, 2023 - KB5031455 (OS Builds 22621.2506 and 22631.2506) Preview
> or a later cumulative update
>
> KB5027397 Enablement Package for Windows 11 version 23H2 Feature Update
>
> The Preview item, the base coat, is already sitting in my Windows Update
> window, without using the switch. Presumably it would change from a Preview,
> to a mandatory update, around Patch Tuesday or so.
>
> Paul
>
So then, we'll all get them in time?
I think I'll just wait with that switch OFF, given that the update seems
to be so minor.
Ed

T wrote on 01-Nov-23 4:04 PM:
> The reason for the ISO is that the normal way jams at
> times on my customers.  Running the update from the ISO
> fixes that.

When done via Windows Update both 21H2 and 22H2 will get:
Windows 11, version 23H2 x64 2023-10B, which is handled via UUP.
i.e. each enablement package will install the needed files to end up with
23H2 as long as the device has the latest LCU(KB5031455 for 22H2,
KB5031358 for 21H2 - both include the latest Servicing Stack)
22H2 to 23H2 is an update
21H2 to 23H2 is an upgrade(been the same for sometime to jump two
versions forward)

Or, One could just download the stand-alone 23H2 Enablement Package instead.
The stand-alone is smart enough to see the device's installed version of
Win11(22H2 or 21H2).

Again(in more descriptive terminology for the stand-alone enablement
=> for 22H2 the stand-alone, it's update LCU + EKB via UUP
=> for 21H2,the stand-alone, it's full upgrade + LCU + EKB via UUP
LCU = standard abbreviation for latest cumulative update
EKB = standard abbreviation for Enablement Package
UUP = standard abbreviation for Unified Update Platform

Windows 11 23H2 Enablement package(s) KB5027397 for x64

x64
<https://www.uupdump.cn/getfile.php?id=8d05272c-8e6d-4af8-9d8c-d1a3fe9e7542&file=windows11.0-kb5027397-x64.msu&lang=en-us>

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

Brian Gregory wrote on 01-Nov-23 4:01 PM:
> On 01/11/2023 09:56, Paul wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 3:28 AM, T wrote:
>>
>>> Soon as I got enough room on the (virtual) disk drive,
>>> 23H3 installed pretty flawlessly
>>
>> winver.exe
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11_version_history#Version_23H2_%282023_Update%29
>>
>>
>> 22631 ???
>>
>>     Paul
>
> I have 22631.2506 after updating to 23H2 through Windows update.
>

Which is what you should have.
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/windows-11-version-23h2-update-history-59875222-b990-4bd9-932f-91a5954de434>

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> When done via Windows Update both 21H2 and 22H2 will get:
> Windows 11, version 23H2 x64 2023-10B, which is handled via UUP.
> i.e. each enablement package will install the needed files to end up with
> 23H2 as long as the device has the latest LCU(KB5031455 for 22H2,
> KB5031358 for 21H2 - both include the latest Servicing Stack)
> 22H2 to 23H2 is an update
> 21H2 to 23H2 is an upgrade(been the same for sometime to jump two
> versions forward)
>
> Or, One could just download the stand-alone 23H2 Enablement Package instead.
> The stand-alone is smart enough to see the device's installed version of
> Win11(22H2 or 21H2).
>
> Again(in more descriptive terminology for the stand-alone enablement
> => for 22H2 the stand-alone, it's update LCU + EKB via UUP
> => for 21H2,the stand-alone, it's full upgrade + LCU + EKB via UUP
> LCU = standard abbreviation for latest cumulative update
> EKB = standard abbreviation for Enablement Package
> UUP = standard abbreviation for Unified Update Platform
>
> Windows 11 23H2 Enablement package(s) KB5027397 for x64
>
> x64
> <https://www.uupdump.cn/getfile.php?id=8d05272c-8e6d-4af8-9d8c-d1a3fe9e7542&file=windows11.0-kb5027397-x64.msu&lang=en-us>

My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:

"You're up to date
Last checked: Today, 10:27

(i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.

[Download & Install]"

I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:

- Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?

- Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
updates.

- Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?

N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)

On 11/2/2023 11:01 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> When done via Windows Update both 21H2 and 22H2 will get:
>> Windows 11, version 23H2 x64 2023-10B, which is handled via UUP.
>> i.e. each enablement package will install the needed files to end up with
>> 23H2 as long as the device has the latest LCU(KB5031455 for 22H2,
>> KB5031358 for 21H2 - both include the latest Servicing Stack)
>> 22H2 to 23H2 is an update
>> 21H2 to 23H2 is an upgrade(been the same for sometime to jump two
>> versions forward)
>>
>> Or, One could just download the stand-alone 23H2 Enablement Package instead.
>> The stand-alone is smart enough to see the device's installed version of
>> Win11(22H2 or 21H2).
>>
>> Again(in more descriptive terminology for the stand-alone enablement
>> => for 22H2 the stand-alone, it's update LCU + EKB via UUP
>> => for 21H2,the stand-alone, it's full upgrade + LCU + EKB via UUP
>> LCU = standard abbreviation for latest cumulative update
>> EKB = standard abbreviation for Enablement Package
>> UUP = standard abbreviation for Unified Update Platform
>>
>> Windows 11 23H2 Enablement package(s) KB5027397 for x64
>>
>> x64
>> <https://www.uupdump.cn/getfile.php?id=8d05272c-8e6d-4af8-9d8c-d1a3fe9e7542&file=windows11.0-kb5027397-x64.msu&lang=en-us>
>
> My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:
>
> "You're up to date
> Last checked: Today, 10:27
>
> (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
> x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
>
> [Download & Install]"
>
> I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
> out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:
>
> - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
>
> - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
> it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
> N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
> updates.
>
> - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
> update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?
>
> N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
> 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
> find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
> don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
> without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
> yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
> clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)
>

If you are unaware of the minutiae of WU, then the delivery of
23H2 will be delayed a bit, and the upgrade is considered to be
"coming in waves". Different people will get it at a different
point in time.

For the people who select "gimme updates as soon as they are available",
then... they get updates as soon as they are available :-)

Paul

On 11/2/2023 5:48 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 9:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>>>
>>>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>>>
>>>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>
>> Some info here. The first one provides the "base coat", the second
>> one flips a switch to use it.
>>
>> https://www.elevenforum.com/t/kb5027397-enablement-package-for-windows-11-version-23h2-feature-update.19372/
>>
>>
>>     # Slide the "Give me updates as soon as possible button" switch ON
>>     # and then these might show up. Later, you can turn the "Give Me Updates"
>>     # thing OFF again. The velocity of these is reduced, without the switch
>>     # being used. These would otherwise randomly show up later.
>>
>>      October 31, 2023 - KB5031455 (OS Builds 22621.2506 and 22631.2506) Preview
>>                                   or a later cumulative update
>>
>>                         KB5027397 Enablement Package for Windows 11 version 23H2 Feature Update
>>
>> The Preview item, the base coat, is already sitting in my Windows Update
>> window, without using the switch. Presumably it would change from a Preview,
>> to a mandatory update, around Patch Tuesday or so.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> So then, we'll all get them in time?
> I think I'll just wait with that switch OFF, given that the update seems to be so minor.
>
> Ed
>

There may be support for a multitude of compression formats.

In WinXP days, there was "zipfldr" and "cabextract" or so.
These had something to do with integrating ZIP files, as if
they were folders. And also allowing people to browse inside
CAB files.

Windows 11 is supposed to be getting support for 7Z and RAR,
as well as others. What you might see, is the icon for a .7z file,
might turn into a flavour of folder-icon. And you would be allowed
to look inside, extract the files, just like we did with ZIP files
in Windows XP.

I do not count this as exciting, but at least it is different.
I already have a Swiss Army knife loaded on the machine, so I don't
really need the new integration.

Paul

On 11/2/23 08:41, Paul wrote:
> On 11/2/2023 11:01 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> When done via Windows Update both 21H2 and 22H2 will get:
>>> Windows 11, version 23H2 x64 2023-10B, which is handled via UUP.
>>> i.e. each enablement package will install the needed files to end up with
>>> 23H2 as long as the device has the latest LCU(KB5031455 for 22H2,
>>> KB5031358 for 21H2 - both include the latest Servicing Stack)
>>> 22H2 to 23H2 is an update
>>> 21H2 to 23H2 is an upgrade(been the same for sometime to jump two
>>> versions forward)
>>>
>>> Or, One could just download the stand-alone 23H2 Enablement Package instead.
>>> The stand-alone is smart enough to see the device's installed version of
>>> Win11(22H2 or 21H2).
>>>
>>> Again(in more descriptive terminology for the stand-alone enablement
>>> => for 22H2 the stand-alone, it's update LCU + EKB via UUP
>>> => for 21H2,the stand-alone, it's full upgrade + LCU + EKB via UUP
>>> LCU = standard abbreviation for latest cumulative update
>>> EKB = standard abbreviation for Enablement Package
>>> UUP = standard abbreviation for Unified Update Platform
>>>
>>> Windows 11 23H2 Enablement package(s) KB5027397 for x64
>>>
>>> x64
>>> <https://www.uupdump.cn/getfile.php?id=8d05272c-8e6d-4af8-9d8c-d1a3fe9e7542&file=windows11.0-kb5027397-x64.msu&lang=en-us>
>>
>> My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:
>>
>> "You're up to date
>> Last checked: Today, 10:27
>>
>> (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
>> x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
>>
>> [Download & Install]"
>>
>> I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
>> out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:
>>
>> - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
>>
>> - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
>> it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
>> N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
>> updates.
>>
>> - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
>> update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?
>>
>> N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
>> 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
>> find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
>> don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
>> without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
>> yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
>> clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)
>>
>
> If you are unaware of the minutiae of WU, then the delivery of
> 23H2 will be delayed a bit, and the upgrade is considered to be
> "coming in waves". Different people will get it at a different
> point in time.
>
> For the people who select "gimme updates as soon as they are available",
> then... they get updates as soon as they are available :-)
>
> Paul

What Paul said.

The reason I knew about it was that my update program
is something I wrote in Linux and it reads the ISO web
site directly. It does not use Widows' Update service.

Frank Slootweg wrote on 02-Nov-23 8:01 AM:
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> When done via Windows Update both 21H2 and 22H2 will get:
>> Windows 11, version 23H2 x64 2023-10B, which is handled via UUP.
>> i.e. each enablement package will install the needed files to end up with
>> 23H2 as long as the device has the latest LCU(KB5031455 for 22H2,
>> KB5031358 for 21H2 - both include the latest Servicing Stack)
>> 22H2 to 23H2 is an update
>> 21H2 to 23H2 is an upgrade(been the same for sometime to jump two
>> versions forward)
>>
>> Or, One could just download the stand-alone 23H2 Enablement Package instead.
>> The stand-alone is smart enough to see the device's installed version of
>> Win11(22H2 or 21H2).
>>
>> Again(in more descriptive terminology for the stand-alone enablement
>> => for 22H2 the stand-alone, it's update LCU + EKB via UUP
>> => for 21H2,the stand-alone, it's full upgrade + LCU + EKB via UUP
>> LCU = standard abbreviation for latest cumulative update
>> EKB = standard abbreviation for Enablement Package
>> UUP = standard abbreviation for Unified Update Platform
>>
>> Windows 11 23H2 Enablement package(s) KB5027397 for x64
>>
>> x64
>> <https://www.uupdump.cn/getfile.php?id=8d05272c-8e6d-4af8-9d8c-d1a3fe9e7542&file=windows11.0-kb5027397-x64.msu&lang=en-us>
>
> My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:
>
> "You're up to date
> Last checked: Today, 10:27
>
> (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
> x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
>
> [Download & Install]"
>
> I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
> out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:
>
> - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
>
> - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
> it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
> N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
> updates.
>
> - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
> update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?
>
> N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
> 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
> find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
> don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
> without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
> yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
> clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)
>

Hi Frank.
It would be helpful if you clarified your Win10 22H2 edition
- Home or Pro

The 23H2 update deployment(like in the past) may be different and even
more so based on the device that Windows Update sees.

KB5031455
- if you read the above, KB5031455 contains the LCU and SSU(Latest
cumulative update and servicing stack update). KB5031455 is preview for
22H2 and 23H2(same KB number for both 22H2 and 23H2)

Here's where some confusion and variation exist.
For some devices
- 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may only be seen when KB5031455 has been
installed.
- 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may be seen without KB5031455 being installed.
This variation is due to 23H2 deployment occuring in stages(not all
devides at the same time, and some devices it may be months before 23H2
is offered and well after KB5031455 has been installed or replaced with
later LCU's and SSU(LCU in Preview form or the non_Preview the following
month/2nd Tues.)

If the latter occurs, 23H2 offered when KB5031455 is not installed, once
23H2 updates, KB5031455 will be offered in Windows Update. During that
restart, KB5031455 will be installed as well as turning on additional
n23H2 unique bits included in 23H2.

Notifications that 23H2 is coming in the near future is typically a media
article. Microsoft approach is to provide a notice to Windows
Insiders(that was done on Sept 23rd when the 23H2 was deployed to the
Release Preview Channel. Once 23H2 was released to the general public(Oct
31st), Microsoft's initial notice to the general public is done via the
Windows Blog(that was done on Oct 31st).
=> Once the 22H2(or 21H2) device is within the staging deployment
availability, the device is offered 23H2.

In general terms.
For those reading along that use 21H2
W11 21H2 to W11 23H2 = W11 22H2 + EKB
For those reading along that use 22H2
W11 22H2 to W11 23H2 = EKB only
where EKB equals Enablement Package

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On 02/11/2023 15:01, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>
>
> - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
Because it is only 2 days since Windows 11 23H2 was released. Also, it
is not released for everybody around the world. Upgrades are staggered
to ease traffic on servers. Wait for another 2 weeks and you'll see it
if your machine is of the right specification for Windows 11. I must
also point out that there won't be Windows 10 23H2. Microsoft has
decided that the last version in Windows 10 is 22H2. That's it. No more
upgrades but you'll get updates until October/November 2025 when Windows
10 will be retired.

>
> - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
> it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
> N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
> updates.

It says preview because that is what it is. IOW it is a "beta" in the
old English which people used to say. I also don't install previews. I'm
not a seeker for that.

>
> - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
> update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?

Yes Preview will feature in the Patch Tuesday update on the 14th. This
has always been the case. The KB number will change but the features
will be incorporated together with any bugs fixes found in the preview
version.
>
> N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
> 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
> find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
> don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
> without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
> yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
> clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)

The preview version info is here:

This non-security update includes quality improvements. When you install
this KB:

�� *� This update supports daylight saving time (DST) changes in Syria.
To learn more, see Interim guidance for Syria DST changes 2022.
��� * This update addresses a memory leak in ctfmon.exe.
��� * This update addresses a memory leak in TextInputHost.exe.
��� * This update addresses an error that occurs when you print using
v4 print drivers.
��� * This update addresses an issue that affects Outlook. It stops
responding. This occurs when you print to an Internet Printing Protocol
(IPP) printer that has a slow response time.
��� * This update addresses an issue that affects connectivity. It is
lost. This occurs when you add a second network interface card (NIC)
that has no default gateway.
��� * This update makes Country and Operator Settings Asset (COSA)
profiles up to date for certain mobile operators.
��� * This update addresses an issue that affects Windows Defender
Application Control (WDAC). Its �allow� policies might block some
binaries from running.
��� * This update addresses an issue that affects robocopy. The /efsraw
switch stops it from copying data properly.

By the way Microsoft has always released a preview version around 4th
week of the month for people to try them. They are optional and people
need to click on the link to install them.

On 11/1/2023 8:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>
>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>
>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>
>> -T
>
> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>
> Lynn

Got the Windows Update notice today and updated. No problems.

I promptly split the taskbar icons apart for each window.

Lynn

On 11/3/23 12:27 AM, this is what Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 8:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>>
>>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>>
>>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> Got the Windows Update notice today and updated.  No problems.
>
> I promptly split the taskbar icons apart for each window.
>
> Lynn
>
For those of us not in the know, what does 'split the taskbar icons apart" mean?
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 02-Nov-23 8:01 AM:
[...]
> > My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:
> >
> > "You're up to date
> > Last checked: Today, 10:27
> >
> > (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
> > x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
> >
> > [Download & Install]"
> >
> > I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
> > out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:
> >
> > - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
> >
> > - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
> > it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
> > N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
> > updates.
> >
> > - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
> > update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?
> >
> > N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
> > 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
> > find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
> > don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
> > without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
> > yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
> > clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)
> >
>
> Hi Frank.
> It would be helpful if you clarified your Win10 22H2 edition
> - Home or Pro
>
> The 23H2 update deployment(like in the past) may be different and even
> more so based on the device that Windows Update sees.
>
> KB5031455
> - if you read the above, KB5031455 contains the LCU and SSU(Latest
> cumulative update and servicing stack update). KB5031455 is preview for
> 22H2 and 23H2(same KB number for both 22H2 and 23H2)
>
> Here's where some confusion and variation exist.
> For some devices
> - 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may only be seen when KB5031455 has been
> installed.
> - 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may be seen without KB5031455 being installed.
> This variation is due to 23H2 deployment occuring in stages(not all
> devides at the same time, and some devices it may be months before 23H2
> is offered and well after KB5031455 has been installed or replaced with
> later LCU's and SSU(LCU in Preview form or the non_Preview the following
> month/2nd Tues.)
>
> If the latter occurs, 23H2 offered when KB5031455 is not installed, once
> 23H2 updates, KB5031455 will be offered in Windows Update. During that
> restart, KB5031455 will be installed as well as turning on additional
> n23H2 unique bits included in 23H2.
>
> Notifications that 23H2 is coming in the near future is typically a media
> article. Microsoft approach is to provide a notice to Windows
> Insiders(that was done on Sept 23rd when the 23H2 was deployed to the
> Release Preview Channel. Once 23H2 was released to the general public(Oct
> 31st), Microsoft's initial notice to the general public is done via the
> Windows Blog(that was done on Oct 31st).
> => Once the 22H2(or 21H2) device is within the staging deployment
> availability, the device is offered 23H2.
>
> In general terms.
> For those reading along that use 21H2
> W11 21H2 to W11 23H2 = W11 22H2 + EKB
> For those reading along that use 22H2
> W11 22H2 to W11 23H2 = EKB only
> where EKB equals Enablement Package

Thanks Winston for your clear and complete answers. I'm totally in the
know now! :-)

BTW, my Windows 11 22H2 edition is Pro (it was in my text, but
probably a bit out of sight).

BTW2, in the meantime, the Windows Update status has changed and now
says:

"You're up to date
Last checked: Today, 11:22

(i) Windows 11, version 23H2 is available. [Download & Install X]

See what's in this update"

So

(i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.

is no longer listed (has not been installed (not visible in Update
history)).

And the 23H2 update has been announced, so all is good!

Simon <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
> On 02/11/2023 15:01, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]

Thanks for your response/answers. Much appreciated!

On 11/3/2023 9:48 AM, Big Al wrote:
> On 11/3/23 12:27 AM, this is what Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 8:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>>>
>>>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>>>
>>>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> Got the Windows Update notice today and updated.  No problems.
>>
>> I promptly split the taskbar icons apart for each window.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
> For those of us not in the know, what does 'split the taskbar icons apart" mean?

I thought one of the regulars, had already demonstrated a picture
of ungrouped taskbar icons.

It helps to have a big monitor :-)

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/0yHRxhjV/ungroup-icons-W11.gif

In the picture there, I have two Seamonkey windows open, and
the normal W11 response is to have one Taskbar icon, plus a
popup menu that allows you to "select" one of them to bring
to the front, or to bring back on screen.

The other way of doing it, is to have two separate icons for
Seamonkey, and each has text from the titlebar to distinguish them.

Paul

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/3/23 7:51 AM:
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote on 02-Nov-23 8:01 AM:
> [...]
>>> My current state (Windows 11 Home 22H2) in Windows Update is:
>>>
>>> "You're up to date
>>> Last checked: Today, 10:27
>>>
>>> (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
>>> x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
>>>
>>> [Download & Install]"
>>>
>>> I have followed this thread (so far 38 posts), so I can kind of figure
>>> out what is (not) happening, but still have some questions/notes:
>>>
>>> - Why doesn't it say anywhere that 23H2 is coming in the near future?
>>>
>>> - Why does it say 'Preview' and why doesn't it (download and) install
>>> it. instead of offering the user a '[Download & Install]' button?
>>> N.B. I normally do not manually install Preview, optional, etc.
>>> updates.
>>>
>>> - Will the KB5031455 'Preview' update change to a normal non-Preview
>>> update on the second Tuesday of this month (November 14)?
>>>
>>> N.B. I am not in any kind of a hurry (and hence have not turned on the
>>> 'Get the latest updates as sooon as they're available' switch), but I
>>> find this whole approach rather confusing for Joe Average: I *said* I
>>> don't want the latest update, so why offer me a 'Preview' update,
>>> without any information? (Yes, there's an '(i)' icon, but no link. And
>>> yes, I've looked up KB5031455 on the Microsoft site, but the results are
>>> clear as mud for me, let alone for Joe.)
>>>
>>
>> Hi Frank.
>> It would be helpful if you clarified your Win10 22H2 edition
>> - Home or Pro
>>
>> The 23H2 update deployment(like in the past) may be different and even
>> more so based on the device that Windows Update sees.
>>
>> KB5031455
>> - if you read the above, KB5031455 contains the LCU and SSU(Latest
>> cumulative update and servicing stack update). KB5031455 is preview for
>> 22H2 and 23H2(same KB number for both 22H2 and 23H2)
>>
>> Here's where some confusion and variation exist.
>> For some devices
>> - 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may only be seen when KB5031455 has been
>> installed.
>> - 23H2 being offered to 22H2 may be seen without KB5031455 being installed.
>> This variation is due to 23H2 deployment occuring in stages(not all
>> devides at the same time, and some devices it may be months before 23H2
>> is offered and well after KB5031455 has been installed or replaced with
>> later LCU's and SSU(LCU in Preview form or the non_Preview the following
>> month/2nd Tues.)
>>
>> If the latter occurs, 23H2 offered when KB5031455 is not installed, once
>> 23H2 updates, KB5031455 will be offered in Windows Update. During that
>> restart, KB5031455 will be installed as well as turning on additional
>> n23H2 unique bits included in 23H2.
>>
>> Notifications that 23H2 is coming in the near future is typically a media
>> article. Microsoft approach is to provide a notice to Windows
>> Insiders(that was done on Sept 23rd when the 23H2 was deployed to the
>> Release Preview Channel. Once 23H2 was released to the general public(Oct
>> 31st), Microsoft's initial notice to the general public is done via the
>> Windows Blog(that was done on Oct 31st).
>> => Once the 22H2(or 21H2) device is within the staging deployment
>> availability, the device is offered 23H2.
>>
>> In general terms.
>> For those reading along that use 21H2
>> W11 21H2 to W11 23H2 = W11 22H2 + EKB
>> For those reading along that use 22H2
>> W11 22H2 to W11 23H2 = EKB only
>> where EKB equals Enablement Package
>
> Thanks Winston for your clear and complete answers. I'm totally in the
> know now! :-)
>
> BTW, my Windows 11 22H2 edition is Pro (it was in my text, but
> probably a bit out of sight).
>
> BTW2, in the meantime, the Windows Update status has changed and now
> says:
>
> "You're up to date
> Last checked: Today, 11:22
>
> (i) Windows 11, version 23H2 is available. [Download & Install X]
>
> See what's in this update"
>
> So
>
> (i) 2023-10 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for
> x64-based Systems (KB5031455) is available.
>
> is no longer listed (has not been installed (not visible in Update
> history)).
>
> And the 23H2 update has been announced, so all is good!
>
Hi, Frank.
Your experience earlier post and latest on Win11 'available' notice and
Preview offer(before but not after the current Win11 availability notice)
fits right in the expected variation.

This Win11 Pro device(now at 23H2) in 22H2 had the Win11 23H2 available
notice but not the KB5031455 Preview update offer. Once 23H2 was
installed(22631.2428) after restart KB5031455 was offered.
- it took about 1 minute for 23H2 to update to 23H2 RTM build number,
once the preview was installed(3 minute wait after restart to desktop
logon) the build number updated to the current released build 22631.2506

My other Win11 Pro 22H2 device offered the preview, once it was installed
didn't offer 23H2. A day later after a shutdown/restart the 23H2
available offer appeared.
- I've not yet updated that device since I like to image b/f a feature
update is installed b/c using the Enablement Package(EKB) method doesn't
provide the 10 Day Go Back option.

Another piece of variation that's been reported in Enterprise community
for non-domained, not server connected Win11 Pro devices when the 23H2
shows as being available - clicking on the Check Update button initiates
the 23H2 download and install of the EKB(i.e. in lieu of the need to
click on the 23H2 available notice to start the EKB download/install)

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On 11/3/2023 8:48 AM, Big Al wrote:
> On 11/3/23 12:27 AM, this is what Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 8:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 7:33 PM, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My updates checker program just flagged this:
>>>>
>>>> GetWindows11Build   new update downloaded   22H2 --> 23H2
>>>>
>>>> Did 23H2 just hit?
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> Windows Update is not saying the update is here for me.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> Got the Windows Update notice today and updated.  No problems.
>>
>> I promptly split the taskbar icons apart for each window.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
> For those of us not in the know, what does 'split the taskbar icons
> apart" mean?

By default, Windows 11 put all of the same user processes in the same
icon group in the taskbar. If you have seven command prompt windows
like I usually have, you get one icon for all seven windows. I prefer
to get seven icons in the task bar as I know which command prompt I am
headed to. 23H2 restored the capability from Windows 10 to put one icon
in the taskbar for each user process window that you have.

Lynn