I'll also need another 6TB HD and case.

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783

https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118

Usually we make the hd drives bootable but if I
remember correctly I just created a folder for
the 8500 mrimgs and nothing else on the 6TB
external hd. So I think I should do the same for
the 780 but with no OS how is that possible?

I can't remember how we set up the 6TB hd.

Robert

On 10/10/2023 12:39 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I tried navigating to the folder to extract the zip file but I don't
> know how to proceed? What am I suppose to do with this ISO file?
>
> I thought it would download a memory test program to test the memory?
>
> https://postimg.cc/yDSkrFv5
>
> https://postimg.cc/grJcTV0D
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

I have a burner program set up on my PC, called Imgburn,
and it puts entries in the right-click menu. I can right-click
the extracted ISO file in my Downloads, and start the Imgburn program
from there.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/SxkgpdC3/burn-iso-win7-to-CD.gif

If you were starting the Imgburn program from the Program menu,
the upper-left-corner "Write image file to disc", unpacks
the ISO and uses it to fill the CD with the info. The ISO
file in this case, is only 1.8MB and it is just a bit
bigger than a floppy. It uses very little of a CD, and the burn
time should be minimal. I have mine set to burn and then Verify.

Imgburn can be set to make rude noises when the command completes,
so you want to turn down the PC audio volume in the taskbar.

Once the CD is burned, you can leave in the tray, do a Restart
of the OS, and since your CD is in the boot order before the
hard drive (in the Dell BIOS), the CD should start. Once memtest
is started, you can pop the CD out of the tray at any time.

*******

The Yellow Bars in the HDTune SMART are "nothing". This is an issue
where the HDTune developer (ten years ago), didn't decode the
Seagate branded drive stuff there properly, and yellow bars is the result.
Your Reallocated raw data is zero in SMART, and that's a good start.

Getting a valid HDTune benchmark curve is tricky. Sometimes the OS
reads the disk, while the HDTune runs, and that is what causes the
downward spikes. The very best OS for running an HDTune, is Windows 2000,
but you are hardly likely to switch to that to test :-) That was a very
quiet OS, and did not tend to interfere with the test results.

I don't have any particular techniques for improving the results
(making them more realistic). In the following picture, I have two disks,
the second one is a "data disk" and does not have the OS on it, and I test
that in the picture. The OS drive, you have to leave it for a while,
to settle down. You can see my spikes mostly went away.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/fTc6XBsT/Win7-HDTune-Benchmark-two-drives.gif

Paul

I'm on the 780;
I created a Memtest86 CD with ImageBurn and
restarted the 8500 but I have to press F12 to
access the opticaI CD drive. I beIieve we tried to fix
that previousIy but we couIdn't. The 780 however
detects CD's.

The Memtest is stiII running and it's on test#10 right
now. [ModuIo 20, Random pattern] hmmmm it just
switched to test#5 [moving inversions, 8 bit pattern]
then switched again to #6[moving inversions, Random pattern]

I'II Iet you know the resuts when it finish's.
Robert

btw how Iong does this test take? It's
been going for an hour now.

On the bottom of the screen it says:
Pass compIete, no errors, press Esc to exit

yet it stiII seems Iike it's running. How do
I know when it's finished?

Robert

It compIeted 1 pass with no errors.

Robert

You're right about HD-Tune. I powered off the 8500 then
powered it back on and waited for 1 hour. I didn't open any
programs then ran HD-Tune.

https://postimg.cc/qtrPbpDP

It looks just like the other one.

Is there anything else besides My Documents I should
move to the 780? In passing, I made a System Restore
point on the 780.

Thanks
Robert

Here's a picture of the Memtest in progress.

https://postimg.cc/0b0NNPXc

Robert

On 10/10/2023 1:57 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I successfully exported my bookmarks to the 780.
>
> I went into bookmarks>manage bookmarks>import and backup>export bookmarks to HTML
> then on the 780 I went to bookmarks>manage bookmarks> import and backup> import bookmarks from HTML
>
> It all seems to be there.
>
> Wasn't there some other file you wanted me to move over? Oh the data file,
> what was that called? and where? Then I can mount the external hd and move
> my entire My Documents with copy/paste correct? or is there another method you
> recommend?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>

The bookmarks is the important one for Firefox.

For your email tool, whatever it is, you'd want to keep
a copy of the folder where the emails are kept. Some
tools use a .pst file, some tools use an MBOX (no file
extension on the end, making them hard to find). Individual
mails can be stored as .eml files, and only a few tools
will maintain the actual local storage that way. An MBOX
is just so much more convenient (it holds all the emails in
the Inbox, or all the emails in the Sent, and so on).

If you have favorite tools, you might want to transport
the installers for those, to the other platform.

I try not to "reorganize stuff", because that is work :-)

I bring a "bucket" over next to a "bucket", and pick from
one of the buckets, according to my knowledge of what is
in each bucket.

local_folder

imported_folder <=== visit here, if I think lost material is in here.

Like, when it comes to photos, they're not stored in a labeled tree.
And yes, that makes it hard to find stuff. I can always tag stuff, such as

picture-house-123-Main-Street.jpg

and then if I remember the street number, I could search on "123" perhaps.

Paul

On 10/10/2023 2:05 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I'll also need another 6TB HD and case.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783
>
> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
>
> Usually we make the hd drives bootable but if I
> remember correctly I just created a folder for
> the 8500 mrimgs and nothing else on the 6TB
> external hd. So I think I should do the same for
> the 780 but with no OS how is that possible?
>
> I can't remember how we set up the 6TB hd.
>
> Robert
>

The purpose of the boot-able drives, is so you'd have
something for emergencies.

You don't have to set up every drive that way, if you don't want to.

But there is certain comfort, in knowing you have a drive
that will work, when the regular drive is ruined.

When you get a new drive, you can use Macrium Reflect,
to clone only the OS partition(s) that make the
previous backup drive bootable. And avoid copying the
Data partition with all the MRIMG files in it (which would take hours).

The boot partition, is best suited to the machine the disk
is paired with. The license would remain activated, for the
780 drive paired with the 780, perhaps. I don't like to take
chances with moving older OSes around in the room, because
that might break something.

If however, you have sufficient control of your machine so it
won't attempt to boot off the wrong drive, you can always move
a data drive to the opposite machine so you can access the
Data partition.

Using diskmgmt.msc , is the best way to "review" what is on
each drive. If you have applied text labels to the partitions, that
helps jog your memory in later years, as to what is what. For example,
if I label the partition "Win10AMD" or "Win10Intel", then I will
know which machine that is for. I can check the labels using my
Linux maintenance media, before attempting to boot them and
ruin something :-) The drives also have stuff written on the
metal surfaces that are large enough to write on. The Helium drive,
nothing is written on that one. That's because it will be the
only Helium drive in the room. There is no way to know how long the
Helium drive will last. The warranty says "five years". It has no OS
and only holds data.

The cheapest hard drives here right now, are WD Black 1TB boot drives,
and the lowest price on those was around $66 or so. The price has gone
back up now, so they're not quite as attractive. Those are the drive(s)
with OSes on them. Typically three OSes per drive, and a large data
partition for scratch. The Helium drive doesn't need an OS, because
I will be using the Macrium CD any time the Helium drive is plugged in.
The helium drive doesn't fit in the tray, and the holes for mounting
are in the wrong place. The drive is a damn nuisance.

Paul

I already moved my email over to the 780 so it's OK.

We can make the 6TB bootable and maybe that's what
we did last time for the other 6TB?

I ran a Memtest on the 780 with 1 pass, no errors.

I also attached the 6TB external hd with the 8500 mrimgs
to the 780 and tried to change the drive letter.

https://postimg.cc/rdcy38rZ

https://postimg.cc/647Bnqkq

What am I doing wrong?

Even though I successfully exportd the bookmarks to the 780
I'm still not following what your saying here. I don't see these
files.

"Bookmarks, Downloads and Browsing History

places.sqlite

This file contains all your Firefox bookmarks and lists of files you have downloaded
and of websites you have previously visited. For more information, see Bookmarks in Firefox.

favicons.sqlite

This file stores website favicon images. It's best to also include this file when
recovering the places.sqlite file.

also this:

"Data", would be your Downloads folder, where ever you
placed your Bookmarks file, and perhaps if you wanted,
the profile for Firefox. Your email tool might have a
profile folder as well.

So your saying I should copy/paste my Downloads folder
to the 780? How could I place my 8500 profile on the 780
and what would be the advantages of doing that?

Thanks,
Robert

After thinking about it we must have made the 6TB hd a bootable drive because that's
what you would of recommended and what we have been doing all along. I just
forgot the procedure for cloning it but the procedure has changed some and is very
automatic now with only a few steps for mrimg backups so I assume cloning has also
changed. I remember I have to put it inside the 780 and let it boot.

I don't have any favorite tools per se except the Dell Image Expert 2000,Word, Excel
and of course all the antivirus and maleware e.g., Avast, SuperAntiSpware,
Malewarebytes, Spywareblaster but I worry about having up to date downloads
for them. You know my history. Maybe you should review my links for each to see
if they are OK.

Avast- https://www.avast.com/installation-files#pc

Avast removal - https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility#pc

Malewarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/

SuperAntispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/

SpywareBlaster - http://www.brightfort.com/

They are already installed on the 780 except Word and Excel. I have the original CD's
that came with the 8200 but apparently I could only use it (3) times which I've done
because they won't load on the 780. I really need Word and Excel on the 780 if I ever
loose the 8500. Is there some way of doing it?

Robert

I forgot,

HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to download?)

AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/

Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0

Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/

GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download

I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?

Thanks,
Robert

If the computer problem isn't RAMM or the memory because we
did the Memtest86 or the hd because I did the HD-Tune what could
it be that caused the humming? Is it possible my power supply is going?

I do have (2) spare power supply's that you helped me purchase awhile
back but I sure would hate to change power supply's. That would be tricky
and I don't know if I'm up to it.

Right now the 8500 is running normally with no issues.

Thoughts, suggestions?
Robert

I tried again but still getting it wrong:

https://postimg.cc/HcdHhktt

https://postimg.cc/mh6fQwKj

https://postimg.cc/2L1tHsgw

https://postimg.cc/K4CpGsd6

Robert

On 2023-10-10 20:15, Robert in CA wrote:
> I already moved my email over to the 780 so it's OK.
>
> We can make the 6TB bootable and maybe that's what
> we did last time for the other 6TB?
>
> I ran a Memtest on the 780 with 1 pass, no errors.
>
> I also attached the 6TB external hd with the 8500 mrimgs
> to the 780 and tried to change the drive letter.
>
> https://postimg.cc/rdcy38rZ
>
> https://postimg.cc/647Bnqkq
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Even though I successfully exportd the bookmarks to the 780
> I'm still not following what your saying here. I don't see these
> files.

When using the Windows OS in the normal way, the drive letter capability
is in Disk Management ("diskmgmt.msc").

*******

You are in Macrium Reflect, and appear to have taken a screenshot in there.
Macrium Reflect CD has a "fake File Explorer", but I'm not aware of a
"fake Disk Management" to make this easy.

Open the Macrium Reflect terminal (... Command Prompt).

diskpart.exe

list disk
select disk 0
list volume
select volume 2 # You do this for devices that have drive letters, but you want to change it
assign letter=k # I changed my S: drive to K: drive.
exit

Now, close the fake File Explorer, and open it again, and
see if the letter has changed.

>
>
> "Bookmarks, Downloads and Browsing History
>
> places.sqlite
>
> This file contains all your Firefox bookmarks and lists of files you have downloaded
> and of websites you have previously visited. For more information, see Bookmarks in Firefox.
>
> favicons.sqlite
>
> This file stores website favicon images. It's best to also include this file when
> recovering the places.sqlite file.
>
> also this:
>
> "Data", would be your Downloads folder, where ever you
> placed your Bookmarks file, and perhaps if you wanted,
> the profile for Firefox. Your email tool might have a
> profile folder as well.
>
> So your saying I should copy/paste my Downloads folder
> to the 780? How could I place my 8500 profile on the 780
> and what would be the advantages of doing that?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

For this previous section, I was describing which files inside the
Firefox profile folder, have your Bookmark information. If you had
a broken computer and could no longer use the Export function, those
two SQLITE files contain the information used for Bookmarks.

Your home directory has data. But, it has a lot of it. Copying
the entire Home directory might be 20GB. Similarly, the Downloads
folder might have a large quantity of material. Whether you want or
need this material, is up to you.

Lots of stuff also hides in AppData, a hidden folder, and it has
"local" and "roaming". Some of the data copy procedures, for saving
browser Profile folders or email Profile folders, will tell you how
to locate them in AppData.

This is why I tried to encourage making a Macrium Backup, and
in some Windows, mounting the backup MRIMG file using the right
click menu, and then you can copy an materials or portion of
materials, according to a recipe you can find for doing it. Because
when you do it that way, you have some assurance "you haven't lost anything".

Paul

On 2023-10-11 05:15, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> After thinking about it we must have made the 6TB hd a bootable drive because that's
> what you would of recommended and what we have been doing all along. I just
> forgot the procedure for cloning it but the procedure has changed some and is very
> automatic now with only a few steps for mrimg backups so I assume cloning has also
> changed. I remember I have to put it inside the 780 and let it boot.
>
> I don't have any favorite tools per se except the Dell Image Expert 2000,Word, Excel
> and of course all the antivirus and maleware e.g., Avast, SuperAntiSpware,
> Malewarebytes, Spywareblaster but I worry about having up to date downloads
> for them. You know my history. Maybe you should review my links for each to see
> if they are OK.
>
> Avast- https://www.avast.com/installation-files#pc
>
> Avast removal - https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility#pc
>
> Malewarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.com/
>
> SuperAntispyware - https://www.superantispyware.com/
>
> SpywareBlaster - http://www.brightfort.com/
>
>
> They are already installed on the 780 except Word and Excel. I have the original CD's
> that came with the 8200 but apparently I could only use it (3) times which I've done
> because they won't load on the 780. I really need Word and Excel on the 780 if I ever
> loose the 8500. Is there some way of doing it?
>
> Robert

I'm sure your links will work out for you.

For Word and Excel, the question would be:

1) Ability to just print them off.

2) Ability to do authentic changes to the documents,
for sending to the government or whatever.

LibreOffice is free. I only recommend installing this, if you cannot
get the Windows one to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

I do not know enough about Office installs, to know what will happen.
If a license is installed too many times, you may have to use an
automated phone system, to exchange 56 digit codes. (You send a code,
they send one back.) Some products, like FPP, may include transfer
rights, such that when you install on a new machine, the old machine
copy is disabled, or, you have to carry out a "disable" operation
then an uninstall, on the old machine, to free up a license. I don't
know what's going to work in your case. And Microsoft does not want
their tools giving useful information -- that makes the job too easy.
You cannot ask questions such as "is this key valid", because
that's what a hacker would do -- make a random key, phone up, see
if they won the lottery.

When a license is locked out, you can talk to a human operator.
They can fix it the first time. The second time you're locked out,
you may not get it fixed.

Paul

On 2023-10-11 05:28, Robert in CA wrote:
> I forgot,
>
> HD-Tune - http://www.hdtune.com/download.html (click on the trial to download?)
>
> AdwCleaner - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/
>
> Imgeburn- http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn-2-5-0-0
>
> Agent Ransack - https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/
>
> GeForce Drivers - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
>
> Microsoft - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download
>
> I'm missing a VLC player download, could you please provide one?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

There is a button on the main page, for a download.

https://www.videolan.org/

Paul

For this previous section, I was describing which files inside the
Firefox profile folder, have your Bookmark information. If you had
a broken computer and could no longer use the Export function, those
two SQLITE files contain the information used for Bookmarks.

I finally found the files you're talking about in Profiles. So should I copy/paste
places.sqlite and favincons to the 780? or the entire Profile? How would
I move my Profile to the 780?

Your home directory has data. But, it has a lot of it. Copying
the entire Home directory might be 20GB. Similarly, the Downloads
folder might have a large quantity of material. Whether you want or
need this material, is up to you.

By home data you mean my Profile? I think the only thing I need is the
links to the downloads not the downloads themselves and 'My Documents'
where I have allot of information.

Lots of stuff also hides in AppData, a hidden folder, and it has
"local" and "roaming". Some of the data copy procedures, for saving
browser Profile folders or email Profile folders, will tell you how
to locate them in AppData.

If App data is hidden how do I transfer App data from the 8500 to the 780?
I'll do whatever you recommend best.

This is why I tried to encourage making a Macrium Backup, and
in some Windows, mounting the backup MRIMG file using the right
click menu, and then you can copy an materials or portion of
materials, according to a recipe you can find for doing it. Because
when you do it that way, you have some assurance "you haven't lost anything".

I've been trying but I'm doing something wrong because when I right click
it, it doesn't give me the Explore option. I can't proceed if I can't change
the drive letter.

When a license is locked out, you can talk to a human operator.
They can fix it the first time. The second time you're locked out,
you may not get it fixed.

I'll work on that and try calling Microsft and see if they can release the
the key but I don't understand making up a random key? How could
that help?

Thanks for the downloads of the VLC player and LibreOffice which I think
I'll put on the 780 if I can't get the Word/Excel CD's to work. I'll try it again.
I would hate to loose Excel because I keep allot of information there. However, I
see LibreOffice has many similar programs.

Right now, we need to focus on the mrimgs and copy/pasting 'My Documents'
and any other files you recommend.

At the end of the month I'll order the 6TB hd and case and then we can set that
up as a bootable hd for 780 mrimgs

Thanks,
Robert

I just tried the Word/Excel CD that came with the 8200
and I was able to download them successfully to the 780.
So now it has Word and Excel on it. I still may add the LibreOffice.

Were making progress

Thanks,
Robert

I meant I was able to install Word and Excel on the 780
of course.

Now all I need is to get the mrimg to work so I can move
'My Documents' to the 780. I have allot of data in there
including my Excel files. That's where I store everything.

When I try right clicking the mrimg drive or Mrimg itself it
doesn't give me the Explore option as in your instructions
it gives me Open. So I can't change the drive letter to K:

What am I doing wrong?

On 10/14/2023 4:21 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I meant I was able to install Word and Excel on the 780
> of course.
>
> Now all I need is to get the mrimg to work so I can move
> 'My Documents' to the 780. I have allot of data in there
> including my Excel files. That's where I store everything.
>
> When I try right clicking the mrimg drive or Mrimg itself it
> doesn't give me the Explore option as in your instructions
> it gives me Open. So I can't change the drive letter to K:
>
> What am I doing wrong?

1) Start Macrium
2) Menu bar "Restore" : "Browse for an Image"
From the resulting file dialog, select the MRIMG you want to mount.
3) (Of the Backup/Restore/Log tabs, the Restore should be highlighted)
Over on the right, the name of the MRIMG should now be displayed.
The options are Browse Image, Restore Image, Other Actions.

4) Select Browse Image.

The selector box you were not able to reach,
with the place to select letter K: , should now be on the screen.

5) When you want to remove K: again (unmount), then go to File Explorer,
find K: on the left hand side, right-click it and select the
"Macrium Reflect" item in the context menu that appears. The
side scroll item, there is only one item, and that's what you use
to unmount the K: virtual drive. There will be a UAC prompt (if Macrium isn't
running its normal main screen), and then the operation will happen.
If the K: File Explorer window was open, it will close and disappear.

Paul

I followed your instructions and I was able to change the letter of the drive but it
wouldn't let me access 'My Documents'. I don't understand it because I had
to sign in as Administrator to my User Account when I shouldn't have to yet
I was denied. Should I try this on the Administrator's Account?

I was also able to unmount K: as you instructed.

I blocked out account names for safety.

https://postimg.cc/JyhbWTcj

https://postimg.cc/HJPbWQBR

https://postimg.cc/JygBCRhW

https://postimg.cc/crmg4RJh

https://postimg.cc/wyL3KJPh

https://postimg.cc/K1WYRJhP

https://postimg.cc/QHHkBNFv

Robert

I went into the 780 under the Administrator Account this time.
It gave me the same response as on the User Account, denied.
How could I be denied from the Administrator's Account?
I blocked out portions for safety.
https://postimg.cc/TyNvVsRh
https://postimg.cc/4K7B026Y
https://postimg.cc/MXVKwW6D
https://postimg.cc/CzZK2jZR
https://postimg.cc/3Wq82dLY
https://postimg.cc/64fhJDbh
https://postimg.cc/30xZhLM5
https://postimg.cc/758TMBBH
https://postimg.cc/ZBdScLsm
https://postimg.cc/8swSbstj
https://postimg.cc/XX1PJ5sc
https://postimg.cc/5XSqHdxd
https://postimg.cc/zyTqZNnh
https://postimg.cc/sB06TQv4

I blocked out the numbers of the Account Unknown
for safety but I have them if you need them.

https://postimg.cc/tZQS00Ns
https://postimg.cc/ct68XCtw
https://postimg.cc/LqC9vTtQ
https://postimg.cc/DS77TD5Y
https://postimg.cc/TKkvXPKp
https://postimg.cc/9rV6R9TD
I then tried to go into my Administrators Account. same thing
https://postimg.cc/YL7sFcv5

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

I was denied access.

Thoughts/suggestions,
Robert

On 10/17/2023 8:41 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I was denied access.
>
> Thoughts/suggestions,
> Robert

At which step were you denied access ?

You need to be using an account belonging to Administrator Group,
for a lot of computer activities. For example, if you plug in
an external hard drive in a USB enclosure, the ownership could be a
name from the other machine, which "means nothing" to the current
computer. Using your Administrator capabilities, a green bar will
go across the screen in the File Explorer input box and this may
indicate that File Explorer is doing an implicit "Take Own" of the
folder on the drive you're trying to get into.

See if belonging to the Administrator group helps.

Paul