On 2024-02-21 13:30, Paul wrote:
> On 2/21/2024 6:51 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Paul wrote on 2/21/24 2:21 AM:
>>>> On 2/20/2024 2:27 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> s|b wrote:

....

>> We need some test-before-print app. But that doesn't sound too easy to me.
>>
>> You start off with a digital image file. You can view that through your monitor with umpteen different pieces of software; and there will be differences, caused by different software and different monitors.
>> And all that is before you pass it to your printer; which might or might not look similar to one or none of the monitor views.
>>
>> It beats me. All I can think of is individual test-and-set, and that will use paper, ink and time.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Normally, in a workflow situation, you would use a visual calibration device.
> On a terminal screen it might be a Spyder. This creates a custom .ics file
> which can be fed to Windows.
>
> However, I do not recommend doing that, if your attempts at "beating it with
> a shovel" cause the innards to exceed their dynamic range. If the colour is
> really really off, you can't "calibrate yourself out of a mess".
> Calibration is for situations where the colour shift is small, and
> "looks like something you can calibrate away". And you've eliminated
> a lot of other settings as culprits.

There are calibrated displays and printers, used in photography, and
they are very expensive. Pantone, for instance.

Not the OP problem.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-02-20 20:27, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> s|b wrote:
>>> I noticed some colours are 'off' when I print pictures. I used to have a
>>> very old HP printer and I thought that was the cause, but then I used a
>>> live boot of Linux Mint and it was fixed.
>>>
>>> I've traded that old printer for a newer model (HP 6020e All-in-one
>>> printer) and I'm under the impression it has the same issues. I
>>> uninstalled the old printer.
>>>
>>> There's no yellow, purple is more magenta or pink, a desaturated
>>> pictured of a face has a purple shade, ...
>>>
>>> The cartridges are fine; I replaced them and the result is the same.
>>>
>>> The fact that it worked perfectly in Linux Mint tells me it is a setting
>>> in Windows 11. Any idea on how I can fix this?
>>>
>>> (For the Joker telling me to install Linux Mint: I will get to that in
>>> the not so near future.)
>>>
>>
>> There's a larger question raised here.
>> What determines which physical ink to use for the bits and bytes that
>> the computer sends?
>> Is it an accepted standard? Cross-platform? I doubt it.
>
> Yes, there are some standards and they are cross-platform, if followed.
> Most printers do.
>
> For instance, most laser printers had postscript, which is a standard.
> Modern ones do PDF instead.
>
> HP printers can have hpijs or pcl3, which is also known.
>
> Old pin head printers used ESC/P created by Epson, mostly used across
> many printers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESC/P).
>
> There some others.
>
>
> There were (are?) cheap printers that avoid having a relatively
> expensive processor by doing that job in a Windows driver. They were
> called Win Printers IIRC, and these were incompatible.
>

I've been with HP printers for some years now; the ENVY series. And they
have pretty good maintenance routines. You can clean the print heads,
align them, print a test page which you then feed into the scanner for
verification; and all under the control of their HP Smart program.
I don't print colour very often, but I seldom find anything to complain
about in those I do print.

Ed

Carlos E.R. wrote on 2/21/24 5:36 AM:
> On 2024-02-19 19:13, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> s|b wrote on 2/18/24 10:45 AM:
>
> ...
>
>> Quite a few suggestions have already been provided.
>>
>> Have you verified that the exact same settings exist(ed) in Windows vs.
>> Linux for the printer and software being used(to print)
>>
>> Exact same color profile on both devices?
>>
>> Exact same color theme on both devices?
>>
>> HP Easy Color option eanbled/disabled on both OS?
>
> What does this one?
> My HP printer is old enough to not have this.
>
> I'm curious :-)
>
<https://support.hp.com/ee-en/document/ish_7871686-7871924-16>
Note: The term 'scan' in the article does not mean scanning a
document(with a scanner) to create a picture, it applies to the feature's
process on the image prior to printing.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

Off color printing? Your printer swears at
you when you print???

Sorry. I think I am funny

On 2/18/2024 12:45 PM, s|b wrote:
> I noticed some colours are 'off' when I print pictures. I used to have a
> very old HP printer and I thought that was the cause, but then I used a
> live boot of Linux Mint and it was fixed.
>
> I've traded that old printer for a newer model (HP 6020e All-in-one
> printer) and I'm under the impression it has the same issues. I
> uninstalled the old printer.
>
> There's no yellow, purple is more magenta or pink, a desaturated
> pictured of a face has a purple shade, ...
>
> The cartridges are fine; I replaced them and the result is the same.
>
> The fact that it worked perfectly in Linux Mint tells me it is a setting
> in Windows 11. Any idea on how I can fix this?
>
> (For the Joker telling me to install Linux Mint: I will get to that in
> the not so near future.)
>

The only software for the 6020e, is their "hand-cuffs" software.
It may be labeled as a "driver package" but it is not a driver
and has no driver components whatsoever in it.

If it's the HP I know of, it will ask for a credit card before long,
and put you on the "auto-order" ink cavalcade.

https://www.printerland.co.uk/product/hp-envy-6020e/150244

"Free 3 Month Instant Ink Trial* " <=== Is it discretionary ? Customer choice ? NO

"3 months of Instant Ink Included with HP+*

After 3 months, a monthly fee will be charged automatically unless cancelled.
Thanks to Instant Ink with HP+, you can save up to 70% on original HP ink.
Cartridges are automatically ordered by your printer when you are running low
and delivered to your door. Plans start from £1.49 per month for 10 pages
"

When a device is Wifi-only, that's a hand-cuffs model.
it cannot be accessed or setup, without using the hand-cuffs app.
The hand-cuffs app is going to make sure you're enrolled for
spendy carts. They don't give a rats-ass whether you can print.

What are the chances of finding anything remotely customer-facing
or of interest to a customer ? They have troubleshooter, but you
know the troubleshooter merely checks the "hardware status is zero",
and it's not going to help you identify which missing file they
did not secretly provide with their whizzy/evil "App".

Maybe it will be your "new Linux Mint printer" :-) Nothing
booting back and forth cannot fix, eh ?

*******

So really, your first step, will be putting on your new hand-cuffs,
and after all the dust as settled, doing a search of the computer to
see what software the "App" installed. Is any of it related to colour
calibration ?

Since the "App" contains none of the files, and the files will be
downloaded from the web, I cannot preview any of it for you, or
offer any hints.

Paul

On 2024-02-21 20:49, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 2/21/24 5:36 AM:
>> On 2024-02-19 19:13, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> s|b wrote on 2/18/24 10:45 AM:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Quite a few suggestions have already been provided.
>>>
>>> Have you verified that the exact same settings exist(ed) in Windows
>>> vs. Linux for the printer and software being used(to print)
>>>
>>> Exact same color profile on both devices?
>>>
>>> Exact same color theme on both devices?
>>>
>>> HP Easy Color option eanbled/disabled on both OS?
>>
>> What does this one?
>> My HP printer is old enough to not have this.
>>
>> I'm curious :-)
>>
> <https://support.hp.com/ee-en/document/ish_7871686-7871924-16>
> Note: The term 'scan' in the article does not mean scanning a
> document(with a scanner) to create a picture, it applies to the
> feature's process on the image prior to printing.

Ah, I see. An enhance feature. And requires Windows or Macs, apparently.

Thanks.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:

> Off color printing? Your printer swears at
> you when you print???
>
> Sorry. I think I am funny

It's 'colour'.

Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.

--
s|b

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 04:59:43 -0500, Paul wrote:

> The only software for the 6020e, is their "hand-cuffs" software.
> It may be labeled as a "driver package" but it is not a driver
> and has no driver components whatsoever in it.
>
> If it's the HP I know of, it will ask for a credit card before long,
> and put you on the "auto-order" ink cavalcade.

I declined Instant Ink.

> When a device is Wifi-only, that's a hand-cuffs model.

It isn't WiFi-only. If I want I can connect it with a cable (which I
will probably do in the future).

> Maybe it will be your "new Linux Mint printer" :-) Nothing
> booting back and forth cannot fix, eh ?

Eh?

> So really, your first step, will be putting on your new hand-cuffs,
> and after all the dust as settled, doing a search of the computer to
> see what software the "App" installed. Is any of it related to colour
> calibration ?

HP Smart
> Since the "App" contains none of the files, and the files will be
> downloaded from the web, I cannot preview any of it for you, or
> offer any hints.

You should have started with that. <g>

--
s|b

On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>
>> Off color printing? Your printer swears at
>> you when you print???
>>
>> Sorry. I think I am funny
>
> It's 'colour'.
>
> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>

Color: USA
Colour: England

On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>
>> Off color printing? Your printer swears at
>> you when you print???
>>
>> Sorry. I think I am funny
>
> It's 'colour'.
>
> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/color_1?q=color

color noun
(US English)
(British English colour)

On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>
>> Off color printing? Your printer swears at
>> you when you print???
>>
>> Sorry. I think I am funny
>
> It's 'colour'.
>
> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>

“Anyone who can only think of one way to spell
a word obviously lacks imagination.”
-- Mark Twain

T wrote:
> On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>>
>>> Off color printing?  Your printer swears at
>>> you when you print???
>>>
>>> Sorry.  I think I am funny
>>
>> It's 'colour'.
>>
>> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>>
>
> “Anyone who can only think of one way to spell
> a word obviously lacks imagination.”
> -- Mark Twain
Your endeavour is a favour of labour;
your behaviour doth savour much vigour and rigour.
(Not Mark Twain; me)
(:-
Ed

s|b wrote:

> I haven't tested it.

Does whatever the new model is, have a self-contained test, similar to
this one?

<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_6318352-6336067-16>

some may require pressing and holding a button while powering on.

On 2/23/24 03:38, Ed Cryer wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off color printing?  Your printer swears at
>>>> you when you print???
>>>>
>>>> Sorry.  I think I am funny
>>>
>>> It's 'colour'.
>>>
>>> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>>>
>>
>> “Anyone who can only think of one way to spell
>> a word obviously lacks imagination.”
>> -- Mark Twain
>
> Your endeavour is a favour of labour;
> your behaviour doth savour much vigour and rigour.
> (Not Mark Twain; me)
>
> (:-
>
> Ed
>

:-)

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2/22/24 13:17, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:31:26 -0800, T wrote:
>>
>>> Off color printing? Your printer swears at
>>> you when you print???
>>>
>>> Sorry. I think I am funny
>>
>> It's 'colour'.
>>
>> Sorry. I'm a spelling nazi.
>>
>
> Color: USA
> Colour: England

Also Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. Plus Republic of ireland,
Australia, New zealand and many other former British colonies.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:41:57 -0800, T wrote:

> Color: USA
> Colour: England

No need to inform me; I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
English isn't even my native tongue. Concerning the subject:
<https://www.quora.com/What-does-something-is-off-mean>

Meanwhile: I haven't replaced my cartridge yet, so problem not solved.

--
s|b

On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:41:57 -0800, T wrote:
>
>> Color: USA
>> Colour: England
>
> No need to inform me; I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
> English isn't even my native tongue.

Looking at the map, it look like England in a suburb or northern France.

> Concerning the subject:
> <https://www.quora.com/What-does-something-is-off-mean>
>
> Meanwhile: I haven't replaced my cartridge yet, so problem not solved.

No to ask too stupid a question, but hae you cleaned
your heads?

On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
> I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
> English isn't even my native tongue

Okay, here is the deal. The "spelling Bible" is the
Oxford English dictionary. If it say something can
be spelled two different way, both are legitimate.

And there is a reason for the dual spelling:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/color#Etymology

From original colour, from Middle English colour, borrowed
from Anglo-Norman colur, from Old French colour, color,
from Latin color.

Displaced English blee, Middle English blee (“color”),
from Old English blēo. Also partially replaced Old
English hīew (“color”) and its descendants, which is
less often used in this sense. Doublet of couleur.

In the US, the spelling color is used to match the
spelling of the word's Latin etymon and to make
all derivatives consistent (colorimeter, coloration,
colorize, colorless, etc). The majority of the
English-speaking world, the spelling colour has
been retained.

T wrote:

[snip]

The majority of the
>    English-speaking world, the spelling colour has
>    been retained.

This is the real question: what language do you mean?

The English-speaking world is Great Britain.

If you live in America then the local language is American. Spelling
and usage differ, sometimes to the detriment of inter-language
comprehension. Calling that language English is as anachronistic as
describing the native language spoken in France as English.

An example: on a plane flying to the USA the American pilot tells the
passengers: "We will be landing at New York momentarily." He does not
mean that the length of time for which the aircraft's wheels will be on
the ground will be very short, a matter of seconds.

In English touching "momentarily" describes the action of - for example
- tapping a smartphone screen.

--
Graham J

On 2/29/24 00:29, Graham J wrote:
> T wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>  The majority of the
>>     English-speaking world, the spelling colour has
>>     been retained.

You left out:
In the US, the spelling color is used to match the
spelling of the word's Latin etymon and to make
all derivatives consistent (colorimeter, coloration,
colorize, colorless, etc).

>
> This is the real question: what language do you mean?
>
> The English-speaking world is Great Britain.

And why is it that the largest English speaking country
in the world is India?

> If you live in America then the local language is American.

We typically speak English. We also have a large contingent that
also speaks Spanish.

> Spelling
> and usage differ, sometimes to the detriment of inter-language
> comprehension.  Calling that language English is as anachronistic as
> describing the native language spoken in France as English.
>
> An example: on a plane flying to the USA the American pilot tells the
> passengers: "We will be landing at New York momentarily."  He does not
> mean that the length of time for which the aircraft's wheels will be on
> the ground will be very short, a matter of seconds.
>
> In English touching "momentarily" describes the action of - for example
> - tapping a smartphone screen.

In America, we do not have a national language. We should
but we do not.

In Canada they speak English and French. Does this mean
Canadians have dual citizenship in both England and France?

Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?

England is a country. English is a language. In America,
we typically speak English. And more clearly and easier
to understand than some of the accents spoken in England.

You should hear the Germans speak Oxford English.
It is beautiful to listen to. Are they English?

I take it you are English. You should be flattered that
so many countries have adopted the language that your
country originated. You did a really, really good job.
English is even considered the "Language of Business" in
the far east.

Oh no, did I say something nice about England again.
Now I have to wash my mouth out with soap, again.

T wrote on 3/1/24 12:27 AM:

> In America, we do not have a national language.  We should
> but we do not.

A national language in America was never in the playing card deck.
A nation of immigrants in the past and still today.
Eventually the primarily languages spoken in the U.S. will be Spanish,
Chinese(Mandarin), English and Arabic

By 2050 more than half the language spoken in America(U.S.A) will be
Spanish.

>
> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?

Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.

For the entire world the most spoken languages will be in descending
order - Mandarin, Spanish, English, Hindi and Arabic

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

On 2/29/24 23:55, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?
>
>  Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.

Do you mean "languages" or "dialects"?

T wrote:

> On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
>> I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
>> English isn't even my native tongue
>
> Okay, here is the deal. The "spelling Bible" is the
> Oxford English dictionary. If it say something can
> be spelled two different way, both are legitimate.
>

That is a source of great sadness to us all in Britain. Whilst adding
American and other misspellings to the OED does not make them legitimate
per se, it certainly muddies the water. Language, I am frequently told,
must change. I agree, but only insofar as it needs to add words for new
entities or processes with no existing name or designation. I deplore the
addition of words just for the sake of it.

Apart from higher, more intellectual reasons for having only one version of
a word it is a daily source of irritation to the English. It is intensely
irritating to labour over a language based brain-teaser program only to
find that time has been wasted trying to find a word that does not exist at
all in British English. I have done Daily Telegraph crosswords for some 70
years now and (fortunately rarely) find it has an American compiler at work
from time to time. One can spot them immediately from the abstruse clues,
never mind the misspelt answers. They ruin an otherwise entertaining
medium.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:02:40 +0100, s|b wrote:

> Meanwhile: I haven't replaced my cartridge yet, so problem not solved.

I just printed a document that was supposed to have a green label, but
it was more blue than green. I decided to bite the bullet and changed
the colour (!) cartrigde and guess what? It worked! HP Smart showed low
levels for both Black and Colour, but there was no warning/advice to
change a cartridge. I'm thinking that is why it says 'estimated levels'.

But I swear: when the old printer was showing the same signs it was OK
when I live booted Linux Mint.

--
s|b

On 3/1/2024 9:52 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:02:40 +0100, s|b wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile: I haven't replaced my cartridge yet, so problem not solved.
>
> I just printed a document that was supposed to have a green label, but
> it was more blue than green. I decided to bite the bullet and changed
> the colour (!) cartrigde and guess what? It worked! HP Smart showed low
> levels for both Black and Colour, but there was no warning/advice to
> change a cartridge. I'm thinking that is why it says 'estimated levels'.
>
> But I swear: when the old printer was showing the same signs it was OK
> when I live booted Linux Mint.
>

Well that's a relief. It wasn't phases of the moon after all :-)

How does a test print now, compare to a previous press of
the test print button ?

Paul