On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 11:18:08 -0500, Paul wrote:

> Well that's a relief. It wasn't phases of the moon after all :-)

håhå (-:
> How does a test print now, compare to a previous press of
> the test print button ?

I tried 'Print Quality Report': all colours are showing (yellow
included) and alignment seems fine.

--
s|b

T wrote on 3/1/24 3:40 AM:
> On 2/29/24 23:55, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?
>>
>>   Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.
>
>
> Do you mean "languages" or "dialects"?

Dialect are variants of a given language.

A few of the multiple 'languages' spoken in Mexico:
Nahuatl - multiple dialects, spoken by over 1.5 million, and in use for
the last 15 centuries(Aztecan.

Maya - multiple dialects, spoken by over 2.0 million, in use for the
last 50 centuries - yes, 5000 years ago(Mayan.

Mixtec - multiple dialects(over 50), spoken by over 8 million, in use
for over 10,000 yrs(100 centuries)

Spanish remains the most common language for Mexico's 127 million
population, never, ever classified as the official language.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

On 3/1/24 06:52, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:02:40 +0100, s|b wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile: I haven't replaced my cartridge yet, so problem not solved.
>
> I just printed a document that was supposed to have a green label, but
> it was more blue than green. I decided to bite the bullet and changed
> the colour (!) cartrigde and guess what? It worked! HP Smart showed low
> levels for both Black and Colour, but there was no warning/advice to
> change a cartridge. I'm thinking that is why it says 'estimated levels'.
>
> But I swear: when the old printer was showing the same signs it was OK
> when I live booted Linux Mint.
>

It is due to what is called "Subtractive Colors"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtractive_color

Your old printer probably had some extra ink in it.

On 3/1/24 12:31, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Spanish remains the most common language for Mexico's 127 million
> population, never, ever classified as the official language.

It is fun listening to various Spanish speakers
complaining about the dialects. In Cuba the
word for "bug" means a stupid person. In several
Mexican dialects, it is really, really vulgar.
Don't even look up "Pendejo".

It is also really amusing to watch all the young
girl knees get week when a young man speaks with
that beautiful Castilian Spanish accent.

On 3/1/24 03:08, Bob Henson wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
>>> I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
>>> English isn't even my native tongue
>>
>> Okay, here is the deal. The "spelling Bible" is the
>> Oxford English dictionary. If it say something can
>> be spelled two different way, both are legitimate.
>>
>
> That is a source of great sadness to us all in Britain. Whilst adding
> American and other misspellings to the OED does not make them legitimate
> per se, it certainly muddies the water. Language, I am frequently told,
> must change. I agree, but only insofar as it needs to add words for new
> entities or processes with no existing name or designation. I deplore the
> addition of words just for the sake of it.
>
> Apart from higher, more intellectual reasons for having only one version of
> a word it is a daily source of irritation to the English. It is intensely
> irritating to labour over a language based brain-teaser program only to
> find that time has been wasted trying to find a word that does not exist at
> all in British English. I have done Daily Telegraph crosswords for some 70
> years now and (fortunately rarely) find it has an American compiler at work
> from time to time. One can spot them immediately from the abstruse clues,
> never mind the misspelt answers. They ruin an otherwise entertaining
> medium.

Not sure why it annoys you so much. English is an
amalgamation of several languages, and frequently
lifts whole words from other languages. It is one
of the reason why English is so powerful.

I personally enjoy the etymology of words, which
I find fascinating. It also helps me understand
and use the word. "Color" and "colour" are a
good example.

When I find a word comes from German, I reliaze why
the "I" and "E" are promounced backwards to English
and now I can finally spell the word. "I after E,
except after C, or the word you are trying to spell."

Now the French, on the other hand, are consantly trying to
purge English words from French -- "Supermarket" for example.
Now that is amusing.

I do not see why you don't just embrace the power of
the language your country created, especially since
the English education system seems to run circles
around the American system. English is something
for you should be proud of.

T wrote on 3/1/24 3:06 PM:
> On 3/1/24 12:31, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Spanish remains the most common language for Mexico's 127 million
>> population, never, ever classified as the official language.
>
> It is fun listening to various Spanish speakers
> complaining about the dialects.   In Cuba the
> word for "bug" means a stupid person.  In several
> Mexican dialects, it is really, really vulgar.
> Don't even look up "Pendejo".
>
> It is also really amusing to watch all the young
> girl knees get week when a young man speaks with
> that beautiful Castilian Spanish accent.
>
>
>
I speak and understand enough Spanish and have never ever heard anyone
complain about different dialects. What I've learned is that folks who
speak Spanish in the 2 American continent's may have some indifference
(neither liking or disliking) other indigenous languages or
dialects...but at the root, most understand they have common ancestors
and regard the heritage with a high sense of pride.
- That does not necessarily indicate a lack of ethnic polarization
other Hispanic countries may have/express regarding each other.

In Mexico dialects are primarily location based - North, Coastal,
Central, and Yucatan(the latter very much like the Central)

Pendejo is slang, not really dialect diversionary.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

On 3/1/24 17:42, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 3/1/24 3:06 PM:
>> On 3/1/24 12:31, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Spanish remains the most common language for Mexico's 127 million
>>> population, never, ever classified as the official language.
>>
>> It is fun listening to various Spanish speakers
>> complaining about the dialects.   In Cuba the
>> word for "bug" means a stupid person.  In several
>> Mexican dialects, it is really, really vulgar.
>> Don't even look up "Pendejo".
>>
>> It is also really amusing to watch all the young
>> girl knees get week when a young man speaks with
>> that beautiful Castilian Spanish accent.
>>
>>
>>
> I speak and understand enough Spanish and have never ever heard anyone
> complain about different dialects.  What I've learned is that folks who
> speak Spanish in the 2 American continent's may have some indifference
> (neither liking or disliking) other indigenous languages or
> dialects...but at the root, most understand they have common ancestors
> and regard the heritage with a high sense of pride.
>  - That does not necessarily indicate a lack of ethnic polarization
> other Hispanic countries may have/express regarding each other.
>
> In Mexico dialects are primarily location based - North, Coastal,
> Central, and Yucatan(the latter very much like the Central)
>
> Pendejo is slang, not really dialect diversionary.

Indeed, and its means slightly different things in different
dialects.

>

I have customers from Cuba, Argentina, Mexico. They
complain all the time. The slang for "old" means
"old furniture" in Castilian and Wife (short for "old woman")
in Mexican dialects.

On 2/29/24 23:55, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?
>
>  Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.

Interesting. In America we have hundreds of Indian
tribes all with their own languages. I wonder how
many by your count?

The Washoe Nation.is down the street from me.
https://washoetribe.us/
They name all their street with Washoe words (and
translate under them for the rest of us).

Most only speak English

Another thing I adore about English is all
the words with double meanings. It is the
very foundation of great "Dad Jokes".

Warning, the following may cause brain damage:

Question: what do yo call a mismarked tombstone?

Answer: a G-R-A-V-E mistake!

Got to love English!

On 01/03/2024 14:52, s|b wrote:
> I decided to bite the bullet and changed
> the colour (!) cartrigde and guess what? It worked!

Did you try shaking the old cartridge and putting it back to see if it
worked? Sometimes shaking can even out /spread the ink evenly and it
works for sometime until the ink is completely finished.

On 3/1/2024 4:06 PM, T wrote:
> On 3/1/24 12:31, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Spanish remains the most common language for Mexico's 127 million
>> population, never, ever classified as the official language.
>
> It is fun listening to various Spanish speakers
> complaining about the dialects.   In Cuba the
> word for "bug" means a stupid person.  In several
> Mexican dialects, it is really, really vulgar.
> Don't even look up "Pendejo".
>
> It is also really amusing to watch all the young
> girl knees get week when a young man speaks with
> that beautiful Castilian Spanish accent.

El Torro De Poopoo!

T wrote:

> On 3/1/24 03:08, Bob Henson wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
>>>> I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
>>>> English isn't even my native tongue
>>>
>>> Okay, here is the deal. The "spelling Bible" is the
>>> Oxford English dictionary. If it say something can
>>> be spelled two different way, both are legitimate.
>>>
>>
>> That is a source of great sadness to us all in Britain. Whilst adding
>> American and other misspellings to the OED does not make them legitimate
>> per se, it certainly muddies the water. Language, I am frequently told,
>> must change. I agree, but only insofar as it needs to add words for new
>> entities or processes with no existing name or designation. I deplore the
>> addition of words just for the sake of it.
>>
>> Apart from higher, more intellectual reasons for having only one version of
>> a word it is a daily source of irritation to the English. It is intensely
>> irritating to labour over a language based brain-teaser program only to
>> find that time has been wasted trying to find a word that does not exist at
>> all in British English. I have done Daily Telegraph crosswords for some 70
>> years now and (fortunately rarely) find it has an American compiler at work
>> from time to time. One can spot them immediately from the abstruse clues,
>> never mind the misspelt answers. They ruin an otherwise entertaining
>> medium.
>
> Not sure why it annoys you so much. English is an
> amalgamation of several languages, and frequently
> lifts whole words from other languages. It is one
> of the reason why English is so powerful.
>
> I personally enjoy the etymology of words, which
> I find fascinating. It also helps me understand
> and use the word. "Color" and "colour" are a
> good example.
>
> When I find a word comes from German, I reliaze why
> the "I" and "E" are promounced backwards to English
> and now I can finally spell the word. "I after E,
> except after C, or the word you are trying to spell."
>
> Now the French, on the other hand, are consantly trying to
> purge English words from French -- "Supermarket" for example.
> Now that is amusing.
>
> I do not see why you don't just embrace the power of
> the language your country created, especially since
> the English education system seems to run circles
> around the American system. English is something
> for you should be proud of.

I am, and that's why I want to keep it as it is. If I wanted to be American
I'd move there - I don't, and I won't. As to education - ours is at rock
bottom. If the American system is still worse, then Heavens help them.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr

On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
> As to education - ours is at rock
> bottom. If the American system is still worse, then Heavens help them.

Heaven help us both!

On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
> I am, and that's why I want to keep it as it is.

I have always disliked Shakespeare. Very
choppy and hard to read. Then I heard
Shakespeare in its original language: Edwardian
English. It was beautiful to listen to, although
I did not understand half of it. I have heard
that there are now theater companies now
running Shakespeare in its original language.
Have you had the opportunity it go to one?

On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
> If I wanted to be American
> I'd move there - I don't, and I won't.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

Here is an excellent documentary on America
https://archive.org/details/stephen-fry-in-america

His open dialog rips the condescending British
opinion of America big time.

The series is wonderful too. You might learn a
bit about us. Stevie kicks it out of the park,
although there is a lot more to my state than
hookers.

T wrote:

> On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
>> I am, and that's why I want to keep it as it is.
>
> I have always disliked Shakespeare. Very
> choppy and hard to read. Then I heard
> Shakespeare in its original language: Edwardian
> English. It was beautiful to listen to, although
> I did not understand half of it. I have heard
> that there are now theater companies now
> running Shakespeare in its original language.
> Have you had the opportunity it go to one?

Hard to read, possibly - but when it is spoken exactly as written by
someone who understands it there are few difficulties to the modern ear.
The modern English ear, anyway. I've been to some great performances of
Shakespeare plays at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre and similar
establishments and had no difficulty with it at all.

What I object to at the RSC and elsewhere is modern clothes performances
and performances set in, for want of a better word, geographical situations
not relevant to the originals. This doesn't apply just Shakespeare, of
course - playing Sherlock Holmes out of chronological context in a modern
setting is pointless. The recent TV series shows that well - it was
dreadful.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

You know you're old when your partner says "come upstairs and make love"
and you know you can't do both.

On 3/5/24 01:24, Bob Henson wrote:
>> I have always disliked Shakespeare. Very
>> choppy and hard to read. Then I heard
>> Shakespeare in its original language: Edwardian
>> English. It was beautiful to listen to, although
>> I did not understand half of it. I have heard
>> that there are now theater companies now
>> running Shakespeare in its original language.
>> Have you had the opportunity it go to one?

Have you had the opportunity to hear it in its
original language? Wow, what a difference!

> Hard to read, possibly - but when it is spoken exactly as written by
> someone who understands it there are few difficulties to the modern ear.
> The modern English ear, anyway. I've been to some great performances of
> Shakespeare plays at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre and similar
> establishments and had no difficulty with it at all.
>
> What I object to at the RSC and elsewhere is modern clothes performances
> and performances set in, for want of a better word, geographical situations
> not relevant to the originals. This doesn't apply just Shakespeare, of
> course - playing Sherlock Holmes out of chronological context in a modern
> setting is pointless. The recent TV series shows that well - it was
> dreadful.

That would be dreadful!

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
>> I am, and that's why I want to keep it as it is.
>
>I have always disliked Shakespeare. Very
>choppy and hard to read. Then I heard
>Shakespeare in its original language: Edwardian
>English.

What?? Shakespeare lived in the Elizabethan (Elizabeth I) era, not
Ewardian. (And which Edward would you be talking about anyway?)

He kept writing plays for a few years after Elizabeth's death, that
put him in the time of James I. But nobody (AFAIK) considers him a
Jacobean playwright.

--
Tim Slattery
timslattery <at> utexas <dot> edu

On 3/5/24 07:51, Tim Slattery wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 3/4/24 02:28, Bob Henson wrote:
>>> I am, and that's why I want to keep it as it is.
>>
>> I have always disliked Shakespeare. Very
>> choppy and hard to read. Then I heard
>> Shakespeare in its original language: Edwardian
>> English.
>
> What?? Shakespeare lived in the Elizabethan (Elizabeth I) era, not
> Ewardian. (And which Edward would you be talking about anyway?)
>
> He kept writing plays for a few years after Elizabeth's death, that
> put him in the time of James I. But nobody (AFAIK) considers him a
> Jacobean playwright.
>

Hi Tim,

I am wondering where I got the term "Edwarding English" for
Shakespeare.

https://nosweatshakespeare.com/blog/shakespeares-language/

"Contrary to popular belief, Shakespeare did not write
in Old or Early English. Shakespeare’s language was
actually Early Modern English, also known as
Elizabethan English – much of which is still in use
today."

I am thinking I got "Elizabethan English" and "Edwarding
English" mixed up. As far as I can tell Edwarding English is
not even a real thing. You'd know better on that, than me.

Also from the above link, this I find fascinating:

"The Early Modern English language was around 100 years
old when Shakespeare was writing his plays. All major
documents were still written in Latin, and over the
course of his lifetime, Shakespeare contributed
approximately 1,700 to 3,000 words to the English
language."

1,700 to 3,000 words. That is amazing. And I can
see those that get annoyed at the two different
spellings of "color" having a meltdown. Languages
do change. I can understand why one would
wish to maintain a language's integrity though.
"Texting" has not helped English.

Thank you for the heads up!

-T

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 02:22:03 +0000, Frugal User wrote:

> Did you try shaking the old cartridge and putting it back to see if it
> worked? Sometimes shaking can even out /spread the ink evenly and it
> works for sometime until the ink is completely finished.

It's in the bin now, but I'll try this next time it happens.

--
s|b

On 3/1/24 03:08, Bob Henson wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> On 2/28/24 05:02, s|b wrote:
>>> I know they write it the wrong way in the US and
>>> English isn't even my native tongue
>>
>> Okay, here is the deal. The "spelling Bible" is the
>> Oxford English dictionary. If it say something can
>> be spelled two different way, both are legitimate.
>>
>
> That is a source of great sadness to us all in Britain. Whilst adding
> American and other misspellings to the OED does not make them legitimate
> per se, it certainly muddies the water. Language, I am frequently told,
> must change. I agree, but only insofar as it needs to add words for new
> entities or processes with no existing name or designation. I deplore the
> addition of words just for the sake of it.
>
> Apart from higher, more intellectual reasons for having only one version of
> a word it is a daily source of irritation to the English. It is intensely
> irritating to labour over a language based brain-teaser program only to
> find that time has been wasted trying to find a word that does not exist at
> all in British English. I have done Daily Telegraph crosswords for some 70
> years now and (fortunately rarely) find it has an American compiler at work
> from time to time. One can spot them immediately from the abstruse clues,
> never mind the misspelt answers. They ruin an otherwise entertaining
> medium.
>
>
>

Here is another one to drive you crazy:

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=center
https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=centre

Chuckle

On 2024-03-02 03:14, T wrote:
> On 2/29/24 23:55, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?
>>
>>   Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.
>
> Interesting.  In America we have hundreds of Indian
> tribes all with their own languages.  I wonder how
> many by your count?
>
> The Washoe Nation.is down the street from me.
>    https://washoetribe.us/
> They name all their street with Washoe words (and
> translate under them for the rest of us).
>
> Most only speak English

The page times out here and doesn't load.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-07 18:11, s|b wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 02:22:03 +0000, Frugal User wrote:
>
>> Did you try shaking the old cartridge and putting it back to see if it
>> worked? Sometimes shaking can even out /spread the ink evenly and it
>> works for sometime until the ink is completely finished.
>
> It's in the bin now, but I'll try this next time it happens.
>

Maybe the colours degraded inside the containers :-?

Open the thing up, if is still in the bin.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 3/15/24 04:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-02 03:14, T wrote:
>> On 2/29/24 23:55, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> Are Mexicans Spanish because the speak Spanish?
>>>
>>>   Mexico has 24 different languages, many independent of Spanish.
>>
>> Interesting.  In America we have hundreds of Indian
>> tribes all with their own languages.  I wonder how
>> many by your count?
>>
>> The Washoe Nation.is down the street from me.
>>     https://washoetribe.us/
>> They name all their street with Washoe words (and
>> translate under them for the rest of us).
>>
>> Most only speak English
>
> The page times out here and doesn't load.

We have 807 Indian nations residing in the United
States. 228 in Alaska alone. None of their languages
are based on English, Spanish, or Russian. But they
all speak English too.

Reference: https://discover.hubpages.com/education/Native-American-Nations

On 3/15/24 04:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-07 18:11, s|b wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 02:22:03 +0000, Frugal User wrote:
>>
>>> Did you try shaking the old cartridge and putting it back to see if it
>>> worked? Sometimes shaking can even out /spread the ink evenly and it
>>> works for sometime until the ink is completely finished.
>>
>> It's in the bin now, but I'll try this next time it happens.
>>
>
> Maybe the colours degraded inside the containers :-?
>
> Open the thing up, if is still in the bin.
>
>

Dry air around these parts will clog your heads, but
I don't think that is the case or a new cartridge would
not have helped. I tell my customers with Ink Jets
to print something in all four colors at least once
a week.