On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 22:38:57 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote
>
> | And how do they then send a reply text back to you?
> |
> That's the best part. They have to use email. :)
>

Whatever gave you that idea? They just reply in the
Messaging app, as to any other text. The carrier's
computers turn the text into an email.

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On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?

And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
that don't require any connection to Apple.

You're an idiot troll.

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On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
>> "features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of
>> the apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log
>> out again.
>
> You're a liar. Why are you lying?

No he isn't. You are though, and the reason is you're a weak troll.

> You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.

Wrong. You've clearly never tried.

> You can't install apps without using that account.

All App Stores require an account, liar.

> You can't even send messages without logging into it.

All messaging services require accounts, liar.

> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.

When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.

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On 2023-10-10 02:13:58 +0000, Wolf Greenblatt said:

> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

Another idiot for the killfile. :-\

On 2023-10-09 19:13, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

iMessage is a service separate from SMS.

Try sending a WhatsApp message without a WhatsApp login.

On 2023-10-09 17:19, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

It absolutely.

Sorry, Snowflake.

On 10 Oct 2023 03:50:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
>
> Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?

You lied that the iphone doesn't need to log into apple to send a message.
It does.

And now you lie that android needs an google account to send messages.
It doesn't.

Why are you lying about everything?
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

> And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
> laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
> that don't require any connection to Apple.

Stop lying.

You can't even use ios without constantly logging into apple's servers.
The iphone can't even install apps without being logged into apple servers.

Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?

On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> All App Stores require an account, liar.

Why do you lie?
That you feel you need to lie about the apple login account is revealing.

You lied about the apple app store & now you're lying about the google play
app store which does not need you to create an account to use it.

>> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>
> All messaging services require accounts, liar.

Why do you lie?

You lied saying apple messaging doesn't need people to create an account &
now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.

Apple's messaging won't work without an account. Android does.

>> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
>
> When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.

Why are you lying denying that nothing works on ios without the user being
logged into an account. Not the messaging. Not installing apps. Nothing.

All that works on android without needing to create any server login.
Why do you lie when everyone knows none of that works on ios without it?

On 09/10/2023 22:08, Wally J wrote:
> snip <
>
> Another way to accomplish texting on _any_ device is PulseSMS software.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> Text from/to anywhere
>
> And yes - Pulse does require an account because that's the _only_ way it
> works (there's nothing magic about Apple's "just working" because what they
> really mean by that phrase is "just logging into a mothership server").
> <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
>

How much does an account with Pulse cost?

"Pick your plan to set up an account. The subscription option will
provide you with a free 7-day trial, through the Play Store."

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"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

| > That's the best part. They have to use email. :)
| >
| | Whatever gave you that idea? They just reply in the
| Messaging app, as to any other text. The carrier's
| computers turn the text into an email.
|

How can that work? I'm on my Windows computer.
I send a text to phonenumber@service.com. It goes
through maybe a Verizon server and gets sent as a
text. There's no phone number on my end. Does the
text they receive embed the email address? And their
app is designed to convert a text to email, recognizing
that as the source? And what about when I haven't
sent an email? Can they address a text to
someone@emailcompany.com?

That also raises other questions. For example, HTML
email. That presumably won't go as text. Some email
programs these days seem to ruin the plain text version.
I just got such an email this morning, from the spyware
company ConstantContact that offers email tracking
services. There's a plain text block in the email, which is
what I see, but all line returns and links are missing. It's
just one continuous line of text.

I've only sent email-as-text occasionally, mostly as
a joke. I'm not aware of anyone who's sent a text to
me as email. But I know some people who might like
that option. With texts, maybe I've responded to one
or two. Aside from that I've never used texting.

On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> All App Stores require an account, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?
> you need to lie
> You lied
> you're lying
> Why do you lie?
> You lied
> you're lyingi
> Why are you lying
> Why do you lie

The lady doth protests too much, me thinks.

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On 2023-10-10 00:34, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:50:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
>>
>> Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?
>
> You lied that the iphone doesn't need to log into apple to send a message.
> It does.

No, he didn't lie about that.

But using the example that a messaging service requires and ID is just...

....really stupid.

>
> And now you lie that android needs an google account to send messages.
> It doesn't.

That's not what he said.

He said that messaging services require IDs...

....which is true.

>
> Why are you lying about everything?
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

Utterly false.

>
>> And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
>> laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
>> that don't require any connection to Apple.
>
> Stop lying.

He's not.

>
> You can't even use ios without constantly logging into apple's servers.

False.

> The iphone can't even install apps without being logged into apple servers.

You need to log in to install the app.

Then you don't need to be logged in to USE the app.

>
> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?

He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.

On 2023-10-10 00:39, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> All App Stores require an account, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?

How is that a lie?

> That you feel you need to lie about the apple login account is revealing.
>
> You lied about the apple app store & now you're lying about the google play
> app store which does not need you to create an account to use it.

Attempting to download a FREE book from the Google Play store:

"Please sign in

In order to continue, you must sign in."

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

>
>>> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>>
>> All messaging services require accounts, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?
>
> You lied saying apple messaging doesn't need people to create an account &

No, he didn't say that.

> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.

All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...

....because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.

>
> Apple's messaging won't work without an account. Android does.

Show how that is supposed to work.

>
>
>>> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
>>
>> When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.
>
> Why are you lying denying that nothing works on ios without the user being
> logged into an account. Not the messaging. Not installing apps. Nothing.

He's not lying.

Lots of things work.

>
> All that works on android without needing to create any server login.

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

> Why do you lie when everyone knows none of that works on ios without it?

Wally J wrote:
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Note: It's best to use the same email address as a Microsoft
>> account(MSA) for your Windows logon *and* the same email address for
>> your Apple ID account(iCloud, iTunes, iCloud app, Windows Photos, Phone
>> link).
>> i.e. email address should be common, password for the MSA and the
>> Apple ID should be different for security reasons.
>
> Below is extremely important (quite obvious) fundamental information...
> (Most people don't know this _because_ it's so very basic!)
>
> *You don't get that power _without_ logging into mothership servers*
>
> While using the same mothership tracking server account does provide the
> power which people incorrectly "associate" with Apple's garden...
>
> Another way to accomplish texting on _any_ device is PulseSMS software.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> Text from/to anywhere
>
> And yes - Pulse does require an account because that's the _only_ way it
> works (there's nothing magic about Apple's "just working" because what they
> really mean by that phrase is "just logging into a mothership server").
> <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
>
> Of course, I text from Android/Windows (physically) w/o _any account.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mrz6gJpC/scrcpy23.jpg> Android SMS/MMS on Windows
>
> If you're not smart, you need an account; but if you're smart, you don't.
>

Yes, alternative applications are available...but the question presented
was specific - Testing via the Windows 10 Phone app.
- The Windows 10/11 Phone app's requirements need to be met to do so.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:44:57 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
>
> | Whatever gave you that idea? They just reply in the
> | Messaging app, as to any other text. The carrier's
> | computers turn the text into an email.
>
> How can that work? I'm on my Windows computer.
> I send a text to phonenumber@service.com. It goes
> through maybe a Verizon server and gets sent as a
> text. There's no phone number on my end.

Sounds like you're not aware that, when you start a text thread on
your phone, you can direct it to one of your contacts, to any phone
number, or to any email address. Maybe not every phone works that
way, but my low-end Moto e5+ did, and my Samsung does, so I imagine
most do if not all.

> Does the
> text they receive embed the email address? And their
> app is designed to convert a text to email, recognizing
> that as the source?

I really don't know the technical details of how it works, but it
does work. I could well be wrong, but I guess that it's the carrier's
network, not the user's phone, that directs text messages to the
right path.

> And what about when I haven't
> sent an email? Can they address a text to
> someone@emailcompany.com?

Yes.
> That also raises other questions. For example, HTML
> email. That presumably won't go as text.

I've no idea.
> I've only sent email-as-text occasionally, mostly as
> a joke. I'm not aware of anyone who's sent a text to
> me as email. But I know some people who might like
> that option.

And as I keep saying, they have that option, at least for the major
carriers and quite a few of the minor ones.

It's okay for you to be skeptical, but why not just try it yourself,
as I have? Then you'll know it works.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
>
> He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.

It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.

Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the
default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.

Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.

The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

On 2023-10-10 11:58, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
>>
>> He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
>
> It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.

That's a lie.

>
> Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the
> default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.

Those are both false.

But go ahead, explain how you send messages with having an account.

>
> Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.

I showed you a screenshot to prove that false:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

>
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

I'm sorry, but that is laughably false.

I can turn off all forms of data on my iPhone and still do a lot of
things with it.

If it were actually just "a dumb terminal", that wouldn't be possible.

:-)

....winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
> >
> > Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
> >
> No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
> Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.

> Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
> companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
> still a work in progress.

> Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
> limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
> and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.

Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:10:31 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
>
> All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
>
> ...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.

You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?

The android default messenger works without having to create any account on
any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.

It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.

Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?

The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

On 2023-10-10 12:39, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:10:31 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
>>
>> All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
>>
>> ...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.
>
> You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?

Why won't you address my point?

>
> The android default messenger works without having to create any account on
> any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.

"the android default messenger" is what: SMS?

iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.

'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even if
you’ve never setup an iCloud account at all. If you’re on an iPhone, you
don’t even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only want to send and
receive iMessages using your cellular phone number; an Apple account is
only required to associate email addresses with iMessage.'

<https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>

>
> It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.

No. It is not.

>
> Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
> unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?

What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?

And I haven't lied about anything.

>
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.

Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

| Sounds like you're not aware that, when you start a text thread on
| your phone, you can direct it to one of your contacts, to any phone
| number, or to any email address.

No, I didn't know that. Thanks. So in theory one
of my texting friends could already be texting my
email without me even knowing it. I'll have to tell
the people who keep complaining that I don't have
texting. Though I suppose the reason that many
of them prefer texting is because they expect me
to read it NOW.

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

| Sounds like you're not aware that, when you start a text thread on
| your phone, you can direct it to one of your contacts, to any phone
| number, or to any email address.

No, I didn't know that. Thanks. So in theory one
of my texting friends could already be texting my
email without me even knowing it. I'll have to tell
the people who keep complaining that I don't have
texting. Though I suppose the reason that many
of them prefer texting is because they expect me
to read it NOW.

On 2023-10-09 20:19, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

My iPad works fine not logged in. Of course that means I don't have
Apple Messages, synchronization with my Notes, Reminders, etc. on my
other devices.

Everything else is fine.

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On 2023-10-09 22:17, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
>>
>> Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
>> "features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
>> apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
>> again.
>
> You're a liar. Why are you lying?
> You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.
>
> You can't install apps without using that account.
> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>
> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.

Nobody's lying.

My iPad works fine w/o being logged in. But for those things that need
the Apple account, of course one has to be logged in.

Just like for my Proton Mail to send/receive I have to be logged into
that account.

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