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|   `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|    `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|     +* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Jolly Roger
|     |`* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
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|     | `- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
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|     |`* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|     | +* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Jolly Roger
|     | |`* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
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|     | `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan Browne
|     |  `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|     |   +* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan Browne
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|     |   |    `- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|     |   `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|     |    `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Mickey D
|     |     `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|     |      `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Jolly Roger
|     |       `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|     |        `- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Jolly Roger
|     +- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|     `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan Browne
|      `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|       `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan Browne
|        `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|         `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
|          `* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Wolf Greenblatt
|           `- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Alan
+- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10VanguardLH
+- Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Newyana2
+* Texting via Phone App in Windws 10Stan Brown
`* Re: Texting via Phone App in Windws 10micky

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Re: Texting via Phone App in Windws 10

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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject: Re: Texting via Phone App in Windws 10
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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:29 UTC

On 2023-10-11, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-10 20:44, Mickey D wrote:
>> On 11/10/2023, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>> They said the apple app store doesn't need an apple account.
>>>> That's a lie.
>>>
>>> No. I said that the Google Play store needs an account as well.
>>>
>>> And that's a fact.
>>
>> No it's not a fact. It's wrong. Either you're stupid. Or you're lying.
>
> I'm sorry... ...are you seriously telling me this screenshot is a FAKE:
>
><https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>
>
> That is a screenshot of me on the Google Play store attempting to
> download a FREE book, and being asked to "Please sign in"
>
>>
>> Assuming the best case, which is that you're just stupid, then you need to
>> learn something before you respond again with your stupidity.
>>
>> You do NOT need to create a Google account to download & install apps off
>> the Google Play Store as there are FOSS apps which do all that for you.
>>
>> One of those FOSS apps that searches for, downloads, and installs the apps
>> directly off the Google Play Store is Aurora (but many others exist).
>> https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AuroraStore
>
> "Account login: You can login with either personal or an anonymous account"
>
> So you still need an account.
>
> Are you stupid, or a liar...
>
> ...or both?

Both, and a weak troll to boot.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:33 UTC

On 2023-10-11, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-10 18:50, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:03:25 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
>>> phone. No log in at all.
>>
>> That's exactly how it works on android but it doesn't work that way on ios.
>> Try it.
>>
>> Log out of your apple id account.
>> Then try to send a text message using your default apple messenger.
>>
>> Write back what happens.
>
> To assuage all doubts, I just wasted time and logged out of Apple on my
> iPhone.
>
> Apple Message Works fine. Of course not via iMessage. Just via plain
> "old" SMS/MMS.
>
>>> And so do all other messaging apps.
>>> Because: phone and/or WiFi. And I
>>> have to be logged into those too for them to work.
>>
>> That's a different subject - which means you know you're lying.
>>
>> Of course your banking app or your linked-in account needs a login.
>> Of course whatsapp or telegram or signal or facebook need an account.
>>
>> On any platform.
>>
>> But we're talking about two of the most basic things a phone does.
>> Sending text messages and installing apps from the company app store.
>>
>> Android sends messages without needing to create a google account.
>> The iphone can't.
>
> Well, as I say, logged out of my iPhone and used Message to send
> SMS/MMS. No issue.
>
> As to dowloading apps from Apple's app store - being logged in is no
> issue at all for me.
>
> If it's an issue for you, then stop moaning about it and blow off.
>
>
>>
>> Android installs from the company app store without creating an account.
>> The iphone can't.
>>
>> Don't equate those basic tasks with setting up an email account because on
>> all platforms (windows, linux & macos too!) email will need an account.
>>
>>> It's only Apple's messaging system that requires I log in. Of course.
>>
>> At least you agree that apple's messaging system requires an account.
>> Android's messaging does not.
>
> I don't agree with you. Apple Message works fine, not logged in to
> Apple, using MMS/SMS.
>
>>
>> Why did the others lie about that?
>
> Won't speak for them - but if they said what I say above, it would
> appear that you are the liar. Surprise! (not).
>
>>
>>>> Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
>>>> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.
>>>
>>> Yes. This is the Apple way. Don't like it? Fine. Move along.
>>
>> It's not a question of liking that ios requires a login to work.
>
> Not at all. As explained. Not my problem you can't handle facts.
>
>>
>> It's a question of what is the case.
>> And that the others lied about it.
>>
>> Apple's messaging system requires you log in.
>
> To use Apple's iMessage service:Yes. (Like all messaging services that
> are not SMS/MMS).
>
>> Android's messaging system does not.
>
> Other than SMS/MMS? Most - probably all.
>
>>
>> Why did they feel they needed to lie about what we agree is the case?
>
> Keep circling. Watch for the drain.
>
>>
>>>> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
>>>
>>> Far from it.
>>
>> It's a dumb terminal in that without logging into the apple servers, it
>> can't do even the simple things like messaging and installing apps.
>
> Sheesh you're a repetitive idiot.
>
>>
>> Certainly ios can't do the complicated things you like about it either
>> without logging into the apple account (in that way it's a dumb terminal).
>
> Far from it. Only those things that use the Apple integration (aka:
> eco-system) need it. And that is fine - because that integration is
> head and shoulders above anything in the Android universe.
>
> Done with you.

And with that, Arlen's nym hoard & weak followers lose yet again. What a
bunch of twerps. Imagine spending literal hours every single day
trolling. These douche bags literally have *nothing* better to do with
their dismal lives than troll. And their weak trolls are based on
outright lies that are easily disproved. It's just plain sad.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:12 UTC

Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
> > >
> > > Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
> > >
> > No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
> > Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
>
> > Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
> > companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
> > still a work in progress.
>
> > Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
> > limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
> > and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
>
> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.

Sigh!

Needing a Microsoft Account *and* Bluetooth!? How on earth does
Microsoft come up with such nonsense!?

WhatsApp does these things - tying phone to computer - just fine,
without any additional hoops to jump through. Just scan a QR code on
your computer with your phone and you're done.

I hardly ever - if ever - send 'texts' (SMS), so it's no skin off my
nose, but for USAsians it's just unneccessary claptrap.

Anyway, there are many other 'screen mirroring' tools to accomplish
these kinds of tasks, it's just a pity that the user has to waste hir
time, trying to find one, because the Microsoft one is broken-by-design.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:12 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
> > Long ago, cell phones were called mobile phones.
>
> As far as I know, the "where" matters more than the "when".
>
> In the UK, they're mobile phones, cell phones is an American thing, in
> Germany they're called a handy.

Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing. Here (NL) they're also called
'mobile phone' ('mobiele telefoon') or just 'mobile' ('mobiel'). In the
old days they were called 'GSM', because that was the only technology at
the time.

I like the German term 'handy', but it shouldn't be taking too
literally! :-(

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 by: Big Al - Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:28 UTC

On 10/10/23 03:38 PM, this is what Ant wrote:
> ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
>>>
>>> Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
>>>
>> No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
>> Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
>
>> Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
>> companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
>> still a work in progress.
>
>> Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
>> limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
>> and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
>
> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
What do you do with a desktop and no wi-fi? Besides, usb wi-fi & bluetooth dongles are a dime a dozen. I picked up a
$10 wi-fi dual wi-fi
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Al

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Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>> ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
>>>>
>>>> Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
>>>>
>>> No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
>>> Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
>>
>>> Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
>>> companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
>>> still a work in progress.
>>
>>> Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
>>> limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
>>> and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
>>
>> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
>> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
>
> Sigh!
>
> Needing a Microsoft Account *and* Bluetooth!? How on earth does
> Microsoft come up with such nonsense!?
>

BT is an Anroid and Apple iOs requirement for the Windows Phone Link app.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:03 UTC

wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

> How much does an account with Pulse cost?
>
> "Pick your plan to set up an account. The subscription option will
> provide you with a free 7-day trial, through the Play Store."

Good question... I never pay for anything... nor do I create an account.
But most people do both... so it's a perfectly valid question to ask.

Last I had written up a tutorial on Android messengers, it was $20/year.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 last known good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> PulseSMS Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> PulseSMS last good version

In addition to testing _every_ Android:Windows sharing solution ever
mentioned on these newsgroups over the years, I also tested messaging apps.

I tested _every_ free ad-free SMS/MMS messenger on Android years ago, and
after writing up my results for review on Usenet, I chose PulseSMS as the
best (although there was a close second at the time I ran those tests).

Subsequently PulseSMS has gone over to the dark side, but rest assured I
still use the last known good version of "Klinker" PulseSMS (before they
sold out to Maple Media) which is version 5.4.6.2816 (as far as I know).

The reason I bring up the account on the server is that all the "good
stuff" that the OP "probably" wants with "Link to Windows" _also_ requires
that Microsoft Account (as proven by Andy Burns in his last post above).

It turns out you don't get "all that good stuff" of using any device to
text without connecting to the Internet (which is how Apple does it).

Me?

I use the FOSS screen copy tools which put Android onto Windows for me.
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrz6gJpC/scrcpy23.jpg> Android SMS/MMS on Windows
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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:10 UTC

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

> Yes, alternative applications are available...but the question presented
> was specific - Testing via the Windows 10 Phone app.
> - The Windows 10/11 Phone app's requirements need to be met to do so.

Agreed. Both Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the
OP and we both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.

These are Andy Burns' screenshots, for example.
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink1.png>
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink2.png>

The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that
the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>

I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need
for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right?
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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:18 UTC

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote

> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops.
> Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.

Hi Ant,
One simple trick to put Wi-Fi onto any desktop that has Ethernet
is to plug any old router into that port and configure that old
router as your Wi-Fi gateway (mine use a client/bridge setup).

Since I live on top of a mountain that has no utilities whatsoever
except for electricity (and landline, if people still use it),
we get our Internet from a few miles away over the air to an
antenna on another hilltop.

Given that situtaion, we always have spare antennas lying around where,
since they can go miles, they make great range extenders inside the house!

<https://i.postimg.cc/MHK8gCFL/wirelessbridge01.jpg> dd-wrt client bridge
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5Hfvmfh/wirelessbridge02.jpg> dd-wrt bridge repeater
<https://i.postimg.cc/65xbPBwk/wirelessbridge03.jpg> run site survey & join
<https://i.postimg.cc/L5KDGVdt/wirelessbridge04.jpg> both SSIDs now work
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKvK2ccJ/wirelessbridge05.jpg> Windows elegant finesse
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJChDCPr/spare-access-points.jpg> Spare powerful APs

All you do is the following:
a. You usually flash the old router with dd-wrt (or equivalent).
b. You usually set up the router as a client bridge (or similar).
c. You usually connect to your home router (or AP hanging off of it).

That's it. It works beautifully to add Wi-Fi to a PC that doesn't have it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg> Desktop MikroTik pseudobridge
<https://i.postimg.cc/Bv0wZbDh/pbe-m2-400-802-11-wifi-setting.jpg> AP
<https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg> Desktop MikroTik WISP radios
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg> WISP router transceiver
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2c2L8Wd/mikrotik-router.jpg> Parts cost ~$150 new
<https://i.postimg.cc/yx4CgWYt/mikrotik-router-config.jpg> MikroTik -40dBm
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dzq9Bsjs/pb-m2-400-nanobeam.jpg> PowerBeam M2-400
<https://i.postimg.cc/kg5LKkz9/pbe-m2-400-airmax-setting.jpg> AirMax TDMA
<https://i.postimg.cc/htQ469sQ/pbe-m2-400-ap-station.jpg> AP or Repeater
<https://i.postimg.cc/gcBWpxnV/pbe-m2-400-bridge-router.jpg> Bridge
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLXCzFxC/powerbeam-nanobeam.jpg> Magnetic dishalt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:39:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
>> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
>
> Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.

Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
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 by: Patrick - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:28 UTC

On 11 Oct 2023 17:12:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Anyway, there are many other 'screen mirroring' tools to accomplish
> these kinds of tasks, it's just a pity that the user has to waste hir
> time, trying to find one, because the Microsoft one is broken-by-design.

Does the KDE Connect tool do what the original poster needs it to do?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp

KDE Connect provides a set of features to integrate your workflow across
devices:
WiFi connection: no USB wire or bluetooth needed.
Transfer files between your devices.
Access files on your phone from your computer, without wires.
Shared clipboard: copy and paste between your devices.
Get notifications for incoming calls and messages on your computer.
Virtual touchpad: Use your phone screen as your computer's touchpad.
Notifications sync: Access your phone notifications from your computer
and reply to messages.
Multimedia remote control: Use your phone as a remote for Linux media
players.
End-to-end TLS encryption: your information is safe.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:34 UTC

Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote

>> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
> What do you do with a desktop and no wi-fi?
> Besides, usb wi-fi & bluetooth dongles are a dime a dozen.
> I picked up a
> $10 wi-fi dual wi-fi

Personally, I found those USB Wi-Fi dongles to be utter garbage in terms
of range compared to any old router that you already have lying around.
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJChDCPr/spare-access-points.jpg> My home Wi-Fi APs
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg> Desktop MikroTik pseudobridge

Such "range extenders" can go for miles, and they're all free (for me).
<https://i.postimg.cc/D0vfqM3p/horns.jpg> Horns extend laptop Wi-Fi range
<https://i.postimg.cc/25NdBZ7f/horn-to-router.jpg> Laptop horn to router
<https://i.postimg.cc/JhyCRT69/horn-to-switch.jpg> Laptop horn to switch
<https://i.postimg.cc/Hs0NWSKr/laptopnanobeam.jpg> Laptop to dish antenna
<https://i.postimg.cc/vT0Krpfc/laptop-nanobeam-horn.jpg> Laptop to horn
<https://i.postimg.cc/905nFgxX/nanobeamnanobridge.jpg> NanoBeam & NanoBridge

When I tried USB Wi-Fi dongles, I returned them for lack of range.
--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
And to add tribal knowledge to the newsgroup archives for others to find.

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 by: ...winston - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 06:10 UTC

Wally J wrote:
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Yes, alternative applications are available...but the question presented
>> was specific - Testing via the Windows 10 Phone app.
>> - The Windows 10/11 Phone app's requirements need to be met to do so.
>
> Agreed. Both Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the
> OP and we both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.
>
> These are Andy Burns' screenshots, for example.
> <http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink1.png>
> <http://andyburns.uk/misc/phonelink2.png>
>
> The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that
> the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
>
> I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need
> for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right?
>

The docs on the app could have been written better.

For the most part(for Win10) if the app requires an MSA to download from
the MSFT store or a feature included app in Windows, there's a good
chance an MSA is required for use.

For Win11, which is more closely designed(and expected) to be used with
an MSA, it seems reasonably logical that the MSA logon used for Windows
11 having already signed on - meets the Phone Link's MSA requirement.

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 by: ...winston - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 06:11 UTC

Patrick wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:39:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
>>> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
>>
>> Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
>
> Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
> as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it.

RJ45 is an option.
. but have also noticed more laptops/tablets without an RJ45 Lan port,
only wifi.

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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 06:22 UTC

Wally J wrote:

> Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the OP and we
> both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.

I stopped at that point.

Also I don't think any of this helps the O/P's brother since he only has
a landline, no mobile.

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 by: Paul - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:44 UTC

On 10/10/2023 4:39 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
>> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
>
> Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
>

I keep a small collection of USB toys like that.

TPLink TL-WN722N USB to 802.11N

Asus USB-BT400 Bluetooth 4 (I have a BT 5 as well, but no extra features evident)

ASIX USB3 to GbE Ethernet adapter you can add to a desktop

PCIe Wifi 6 It's in the junk room :-) Not as easy to install
as the USB one.

*******

For Bluetooth, buy one unit per desktop and keep the
dongle with the desktop, even if unplugged. You have to be
careful to not move them between machines, as Windows will
get "confused" and ruin your BT experiments :-) There are
also certain things you should not do with them, like make
audio come out of your second PC, from your first PC. That
can make a mess of the registry (hard to remove/undo).

*******

Wifi is a veritable "hype-wagon", where the advertising claims
vastly exceed results. The price for the super-mega-ultra version
keeps going up, and as I understand it, we've now left $500
behind and are headed for the stratosphere. That's for a
"thingy with extra legs sticking up, like a dead bug"

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20210601PD206.html

I think the Wifi 7 has 4096 QAM, but the question there
would be, whether the error rate allows such a mode
to be used productively. That's a huge constellation,
with tiny noise margins.

Bluetooth has kinda run out of "hype-steam". Soon,
we won't need to buy any more of their dongles :-) Soon.

I did manage to get BT PAN working recently. Imagine
file sharing over BT, at BT rates. My movie download
should be finished by next week.

Paul

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:18 UTC

....winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> >> ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices
> >>>>
> >>>> Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
> >>>>
> >>> No. Win10 is/was too far along in the product lifecycle.
> >>> Windows 11 was the only o/s considered for iOS.
> >>
> >>> Phone Link should be seen, going forward, for both Android and iOS as
> >>> companion tool to Windows. For iOS, since recently new(May 2023) it's
> >>> still a work in progress.
> >>
> >>> Bluetooth connection/pairing is also required. Messaging feature is
> >>> limited by iOS, Image/video sharing and group messages not supported,
> >>> and Messages are session based(available when the phone is connected to PC.
> >>
> >> Ah, BT req. Don't have those on my old custom built desktops. Not even
> >> wifi. I guess expensive Macs will here.
> >
> > Sigh!
> >
> > Needing a Microsoft Account *and* Bluetooth!? How on earth does
> > Microsoft come up with such nonsense!?
> >
>
> BT is an Anroid and Apple iOs requirement for the Windows Phone Link app.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought as much, but wasn't sure.

Anyway, my (snipped) comment on the bogus need for a Microsoft Account
still stands.

What about business et al (i.e. IT dept managed systems) users, are
they supposed to have/use Microsoft Accounts, just to be able to link
their phone to their computer!?

[Unsnip of previous context:]

WhatsApp does these things - tying phone to computer - just fine,
without any additional hoops to jump through. Just scan a QR code on
your computer with your phone and you're done.

I hardly ever - if ever - send 'texts' (SMS), so it's no skin off my
nose, but for USAsians it's just unneccessary claptrap.

Anyway, there are many other 'screen mirroring' tools to accomplish
these kinds of tasks, it's just a pity that the user has to waste hir
time, trying to find one, because the Microsoft one is broken-by-design.

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 15:56 UTC

On 11 Oct 2023 17:12:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>> > Long ago, cell phones were called mobile phones.
>>
>> As far as I know, the "where" matters more than the "when".
>>
>> In the UK, they're mobile phones, cell phones is an American thing, in
>> Germany they're called a handy.
>
> Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing. Here (NL) they're also called
>'mobile phone' ('mobiele telefoon') or just 'mobile' ('mobiel'). In the
>old days they were called 'GSM', because that was the only technology at
>the time.
>
> I like the German term 'handy', but it shouldn't be taking too
>literally! :-(

In Italian, it's called a "telefonino." I like that term because it
literally means "small telephone."

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 by: Stan Brown - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:01 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:11:56 -0400, ...winston wrote:
> Patrick wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >> Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
> >
> > Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
> > as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it.
>
> RJ45 is an option.
> . but have also noticed more laptops/tablets without an RJ45 Lan port,
> only wifi.
>

Some laptops come with an Ethernet-to-USB dongle on
about a 3-inch cable. But for those who don't, there
are these (among, I'm sure, a few zillion others):

<https://www.amazon.com/s?
k=usb+to+ethernet+adapter&crid=
3DVEXILNBTKCO&sprefix=usb+to+ethernet%2Caps%2C140>

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:02 UTC

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

>> The help pages for what is needed don't seem to make it clear though that
>> the MSA is required, but I only skimmed them - the OP can look deeper.
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
>>
>> I am still on Windows 10, but if the OP is on Windows 11, maybe the need
>> for that MSA isn't so onerous as he would already have created it, right?
>>
>
> The docs on the app could have been written better.
>
> For the most part(for Win10) if the app requires an MSA to download from
> the MSFT store or a feature included app in Windows, there's a good
> chance an MSA is required for use.
>
> For Win11, which is more closely designed(and expected) to be used with
> an MSA, it seems reasonably logical that the MSA logon used for Windows
> 11 having already signed on - meets the Phone Link's MSA requirement.

I think we agree (you, me and Andy Burns at least) that the MSA is a
requirement, even it's not explicitly spelled out at the "beginning".

Now... what about Ant's objection that Bluetooth is also required?

When I grep for bluetooth in the document, the word "bluetooth" shows up 14
times, but tellingly, first only under the "setup for Instant Hotspot"...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-app-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3>
How to setup Instant Hotspot?
... stuff ...
What are the requirements for using this feature?
... stuff ...
A PC with Bluetooth support and Wi-Fi adapter
... stuff ...

But then "bluetooth" shows up 13 more times after that, where I'm not sure
if BT is needed or not for the typical normal Link to Windows requirements.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:34 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> Andy Burns and I tested Link to Windows briefly today for the OP and we
>> both concluded one of those requirements is a Microsoft Account.
>
> I stopped at that point.

I did also as I have tested every free and account free and ad free
solution for linking the PC and Android together in the past.

For most, I would think the link-to-windows alternative is KDE-Connect.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp>

Here are my screenshots from when I had tested KDE Connect with Windows.
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqcHvN6T/kdeconnect01.jpg> KDEConnect setup
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZYHf4PCq/kdeconnect02.jpg> KDEConnect pairing
<https://i.postimg.cc/cJ39SVnq/kdeconnect03.jpg> KDEConnect sharing

But personally, I mostly mirror my phone onto the PC over Wi-Fi and act on
it using the PC keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers and clipboard(s).
<https://i.postimg.cc/pr8NPNKs/scrcpy33.jpg>
--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
And to add tribal knowledge to the newsgroup archives for others to find.

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 by: Char Jackson - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:55 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:01:36 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 02:11:56 -0400, ...winston wrote:
>> Patrick wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> Use USB dongles to add Bluetooth and/or wifi.
>> >
>> > Easier and cheaper and more powerful to plug an old router into the RJ45
>> > as the others said they do all the time to add Wi-Fi to a desktop w/o it.
>>
>> RJ45 is an option.
>> . but have also noticed more laptops/tablets without an RJ45 Lan port,
>> only wifi.
>>
>
>Some laptops come with an Ethernet-to-USB dongle on
>about a 3-inch cable. But for those who don't, there
>are these (among, I'm sure, a few zillion others):
>
><https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+to+ethernet+adapter&crid=3DVEXILNBTKCO&sprefix=usb+to+ethernet%2Caps%2C140>

My first thought was, do they really call it that? No, it's USB-to-Ethernet, as
I expected. Ethernet-to-USB would be a weird device. :-)

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 by: Paul - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 20:07 UTC

On 10/11/2023 1:12 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Yes, "cell phones" is an American thing.

Because it's based on "cellular radio" with roaming/handoff. Who knew.

That's why it is a cell phone.

There were also Iridium phones, based on... Iridium.

And "sat phones" based on flavor of the week satellite company.

Because it is not a walkie-talkie. Which is a mobile
point-to-point radio.

The taxonomy names the technology, so the listener will
have some idea what the tech is. A cell phone won't work
in the middle of Baffin Bay. A sat phone just might.
So if you say "I'm taking a sat phone with me", I can relax,
knowing if you're in an emergency situation, you'll be
able to reach out for help. Telling people you "took a mobile
with you", I assume you're using it as a flashlight :-)
There's no assurance of coverage.

What is a Stingray then, in Dutch ? Do you have Stingrays
where you are ? We have two in town (detected by a local
expert on the topic), and the government claims the Stingrays
do not belong to them. The police claim the same thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker

"When operating in active mode, the device mimics a
wireless carrier cell tower in order to force all nearby
mobile phones and other cellular data devices to connect to it."

A Stingray is a base station emulator, for tapping into
the cell network. Spy grade stuff. Police do use those.
Just not here. Presumably the physical location of the
devices is changed often enough, they're not going to get
caught. It's assumed these are foreign, rather than
organized crime.

Paul

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 by: Wolf Greenblatt - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 21:12 UTC

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:36:45 -0700, Alan wrote:

>>> What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
>>
>> Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters?
>
> I notice you can't explain.

If you don't know why locking all apps (even free ones!) to your appleid
alone and then tagging forever with your applid alone is something only
apple does, then explaining to you why app tracking is bad is a lost cause.

>> And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.
>
> I never claimed that. What I said and showed was that you need an
> account to access the Google Play store.
>
> Something you keep refusing to acknowledge is true.

Everyone knows you do not need to create a google account to search for,
download and install apps directly from the google play store repository.

Except you.

>> You lied about the app store apple id.
>
> False

You lied.

>> You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps.
>
> False. What I asked you was why YOU think it matters.

If you don't know why inserting your unique identifier into every app you
download is a bad idea (which only apple does - nobody else) then nothing
anyone says will ever knock any sense into your head.

Suffice to repeat that only apple does that. Nobody else would dare.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 12 Oct 2023 21:20 UTC

On 2023-10-12 14:12, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:36:45 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>>> What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?
>>>
>>> Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters?
>>
>> I notice you can't explain.
>
> If you don't know why locking all apps (even free ones!) to your appleid
> alone and then tagging forever with your applid alone is something only
> apple does, then explaining to you why app tracking is bad is a lost cause.

Still can't explain.

Got it.

>
>>> And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.
>>
>> I never claimed that. What I said and showed was that you need an
>> account to access the Google Play store.
>>
>> Something you keep refusing to acknowledge is true.
>
> Everyone knows you do not need to create a google account to search for,
> download and install apps directly from the google play store repository.
>
> Except you.

I showed you a screenshot that proves you wrong.

>
>>> You lied about the app store apple id.
>>
>> False
>
> You lied.

False.

>
>>> You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps.
>>
>> False. What I asked you was why YOU think it matters.
>
> If you don't know why inserting your unique identifier into every app you
> download is a bad idea (which only apple does - nobody else) then nothing
> anyone says will ever knock any sense into your head.
>
> Suffice to repeat that only apple does that. Nobody else would dare.

And you STILL can't explain.

Got it.

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