> | If your 32" TV has an HDMI input port, you can connect an Android TV box
> | and install apps from the Google Play Store or directly install app
> | APKs. The experience is like having an Android on your full widescreen TV.
> |
>
> I didn't know about those, but I also don't see the point. What
> value is there in Android? I have an Android cellphone and I've
> had to deal with constant hassles of Google trying to make me
> connect to their crap. I don't install apps.

You come across as too paranoid about Android and too inexperienced with
it to engage in a meaningful discussion about it.

> Why in the world would I want to buy a new, superfluous
> device, infested by the worst spyware company in the world?
> Why would I want APKs? Apps for companies like CBS are
> simply more spyware, bypassing the relative privacy of the
> browser.

You're making a lot of unproven claims about a product you don't use.
> Maybe you're playing Android games? I can't think of any
> other reason why you'd want the ATVbox when you already
> have Windows.

I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.

"kelown" <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote

| You come across as too paranoid about Android and too inexperienced with
| it to engage in a meaningful discussion about it.
| | You're making a lot of unproven claims about a product you don't use.

| I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
| screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
| laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
| Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.

Your thinking is understandable. I wouldn't expect anyone who
uses Google products to understand or care about privacy issues.
The problem is that Gelato cross-posted between Win10 and Android,
while his question really wasn't specific to either one.

You're also right that I don't know much about Android. I have
a cellphone that I mostly use only for occasional phone calls, with
everything Googlitish disabled as much as possible. (Paranoid? If
not wanting to wear a tracking collar is paranoid then, yes, I guess
I am.)

I don't do any sort of "portable entertainment". (I assume by that
you mean games.) I don't carry a laptop or tablet around with me.
For movie streaming I use "any old computer" with a browser -- as
it happens, a Win7 box and a Pi4.

I actually didn't know about the Android emulator, or that there
might be anything on Android that people want. That's interesting.
When I looked it up I discovered a whole world of people discussing
and using emulators on Windows.

I use a computer mainly for software development, web design,
graphics editing, web browsing, practical tasks like taxes, email and
general online research, as well as streaming Netflix, etc. I've never
actually played a game on a computer.

I suppose I could install an Android emulator and turn my 27" monitor
into a flashlight.... Nah. :)

kelown wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:30:40 -0600 :

> There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
> Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.

An example of software on Android not on Windows is a non-Google FOSS
privacy aware YouTube client which Android has but no other platform does.

Newyana2 wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 15:24:44 -0500 :

> I use a computer mainly for software development, web design,
> graphics editing, web browsing, practical tasks like taxes, email and
> general online research, as well as streaming Netflix, etc. I've never
> actually played a game on a computer.

All of those things are probably better done on a PC, although streaming
may have portable needs so it would have to be a laptop PC for that.

> I suppose I could install an Android emulator and turn my 27" monitor
> into a flashlight.... Nah. :)

Do you ever do graphical Wi-Fi debugging? Android excels at that.

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>| My logic would be that you can see your PC screen today, so when your
> phone
>| takes up that same PC screen, why would it be any harder for you to see?
>|
> I see. But if you have a computer and monitor, you don't
> need to get the video on a cellphone. You can just
> use a browser.

It's good you're longer thinking Android is "too small" when you're at
home, as Android is as big as your PC monitor is when you're at home.

What you're saying now is that there isn't much on Android that you can't
do from your PC when you're at home, and that's mostly the case for you.

But that's a completely different issue than Android being too small.
As, when you're at home, Android is as big as you can make Windows be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrcpy

"Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote

| All of those things are probably better done on a PC, although streaming
| may have portable needs so it would have to be a laptop PC for that.
|

I don't really do anything portable, except a phone call once
a month or so. I don't like the ergonomics of laptops and have
no need to carry one around.

| > I suppose I could install an Android emulator and turn my 27" monitor
| > into a flashlight.... Nah. :)
| | Do you ever do graphical Wi-Fi debugging? Android excels at that.

I'm not sure I know what that means. Wifi debugging? I generally
don't use wifi at all. We have several Windows computers and an RPi4
here. They're all hardwired. The house is old, with forced-hot-air
heat, so it was easy to run ethernet outlets to offices and bedrooms.

I am a bit curious, though. I assume people run Android apps on
Windows for game variety. Is there any other possible purpose?
I don't even use Microsoft's Metro/RT apps on Windows, since they're
mostly just trinkets. I can see the point of something like Waze or
a plant ID app on a cellphone. I can't see how such applets would be
useful on a Desktop computer.

You mentioned in your other post about a private youtube client
for Android, but there are a number of youtube downloaders for
Windows. If I want to watch a youtube video, I download it. So
once again, I don't see where I might use an Android app.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:12:00 +0100, Joerg Walther wrote:

>>> This is a general problem with Chrome/Chromium not only in Windows but
>>> also in Linux: It does not throw away the streaming data once it has
>>> been displayed but keeps it until the system's RAM is full, resulting in
>>> crashes.
>
>>There could be a WideVine module loaded as well, for playback.
>
> So there probably is no way to alter that behaviour?

I would like to know if there was a way to alter that behavior as I don't
stream things other than YouTube and it doesn't happen with YouTube in my
experiences. So this was my first bona fide video streaming event ever.

At first when I got the "Aw Snap" out-of-memory error, I tried to kill
everything else that was using the most resources as shown by Memory Hogs.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZY3zfrRs/outofmemory.jpg

But it didn't make any difference as the top Chrome process memory slowly
climbed back to about 1600 MBytes and then it would "Aw Snap" on me again.

I tried clearing the cache and dumping everything the browser knew about,
but that made no discernible difference either.

Neither did smallifying the browser to an almost phone size, which didn't
seem to matter (actually I was happy about that as I didn't have to do it).

Nothing I could think of worked.
If you can think of something for next years superbowl, let me know.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:30:40 -0600, kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
>screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
>laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
>Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.

Which Android emulator do you like to use with Windows?

Newyana2 wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:00:47 -0500 :

>| Do you ever do graphical Wi-Fi debugging? Android excels at that.
>
> I'm not sure I know what that means. Wifi debugging? I generally
> don't use wifi at all. We have several Windows computers and an RPi4
> here. They're all hardwired. The house is old, with forced-hot-air
> heat, so it was easy to run ethernet outlets to offices and bedrooms.

If you're all Ethernet then Wi-Fi isn't your thing but lots of people use
Wi-Fi at home or elsewhere and it's nice to have excellent debugger apps.

They also debug cellular and they debug Windows networks on the LAN, but
there are Windows scan tools for the debugging of Windows networks such as
zenmap, portscan, ipscanner, nmap and the like.

> I am a bit curious, though. I assume people run Android apps on
> Windows for game variety. Is there any other possible purpose?

Kids play games for sure, but I use the phone and Windows sort of like how
NATO uses combined arms. They always go together. Never alone.

They help each other. You don't use one without the other and you use one
to shore up where the other is weak. They're always one and the same unit.

They complement each other.

Where Windows is strong, for example, is the display, sound, mouse and
keyboard, so that's why you manage your Android phone from a Windows PC.

Where Android is strong is in mapping and routing and sensing (e.g.,
compass, altimeters, pressure, protractor, etc) and timing (stopwatches,
sand timers, alarms, etc) and surprisingly, it's almost always a lot easier
to set up servers (such as WebDAV servers) on Android than on Windows.

> I don't even use Microsoft's Metro/RT apps on Windows, since they're
> mostly just trinkets.

Neither do I, as I too don't even have a Microsoft MSA account to use them.
Nor do I have a Google Account to use Android. They're never needed.

> I can see the point of something like Waze or a plant ID app on a cellphone.

I think we've discussed plant ID apps (e.g., Cornell) in the past, so
that's another place where Android shines over Windows (camera input).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.plantnet
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.inaturalist.seek
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.floraincognita.app.floraincognita

> I can't see how such applets would be useful on a Desktop computer.

There are some things that are mostly only useful on Android that aren't
even on desktop PCs such as GPS spoofing apps which often are useful
particularly with sites that use ip address location blackouts.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fake.gps.location.changer.spoof.location
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bomerapps.movablemockgps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxbytecode.gpslocker

> You mentioned in your other post about a private youtube client
> for Android, but there are a number of youtube downloaders for
> Windows. If I want to watch a youtube video, I download it. So
> once again, I don't see where I might use an Android app.

Nothing wrong with ClipGrab or YTD Video Downloader on Windows to download
and rip YouTube videos and there's nothing wrong with using something like
QMPlay2 on Windows to play a series of YouTube URLs in any sequence.

But I haven't yet found a program on Windows that does anything even close
to what NewPipe on Android does for the overall YouTube user experience.
https://newpipe.net/

If I had to name the one most useful functionality on Android that Windows
completely lacks, it's that. Even the freeware folks can't find one.

"Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote

|
| Nothing wrong with ClipGrab or YTD Video Downloader on Windows to download
| and rip YouTube videos and there's nothing wrong with using something like
| QMPlay2 on Windows to play a series of YouTube URLs in any sequence.
| | But I haven't yet found a program on Windows that does anything even close
| to what NewPipe on Android does for the overall YouTube user experience.
| https://newpipe.net/
| | If I had to name the one most useful functionality on Android that Windows
| completely lacks, it's that. Even the freeware folks can't find one.

I see. Thanks for the explanation. I guess it's a matter of
usage profiles. None of what you list is of interest to me.
I wouldn't watch youtube videos at all if I can't download them.
I did try watching movies on there, once. The ads intruded with
no relation to the movie scenes. It was unwatchable. But mostly
I just watch several streaming sources, anyway. And of those,
Netflix is the only one I have to pay for. Tonight we watched
an old Clark Gable movie, "It Happened One Night", downloaaded
from archive.org.

> I don't do any sort of "portable entertainment". (I assume by that
> you mean games.) I don't carry a laptop or tablet around with me.
> For movie streaming I use "any old computer" with a browser -- as
> it happens, a Win7 box and a Pi4.
>
> I actually didn't know about the Android emulator, or that there
> might be anything on Android that people want.

* I use Google Keep to save notes bidirectionally between my Android and
Windows laptop.
* I use Android Link to Windows to copy/paste text bidirectionally
between my Android and Windows laptop.
* I use Android app grocery list while shopping.
* I use Google Maps to give me real-time vocal and visual directions
while driving.
* I use Android app to inform me when a police radar or red light camera
is nearby while driving.
* I use Android app to remember where I parked my car.
* Occasionally use Android app to keep track of city bus schedules when
using public transportation.
* I play games on my Android while waiting in public spaces.
* I use Android app to pay for apartment laundry machines.
* I use Android or Windows app to connect my otoscope for visually
cleaning my ears while watching on a screen.
* I use Android app to connect to my Bluetooth blood pressure monitor to
keep track of my readings for my doctor.
* I use Android app to control my WiFi robot vacuum.
* I use Android app as a magnifying glass via camera.
* I use Android apps to play Internet radio stations while at the gym.
* I use Android apps to watch TV shows on my smartphone, Android TV box,
and my PC emulator.

>> I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
>> screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
>> laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
>> Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
>
> Which Android emulator do you like to use with Windows?

I like both the Nox emulator and the Bluestacks emulator on my Windows
10. I slightly prefer Nox because it starts faster and is a bit easier
to setup and use. Nox emulates Samsung Galaxy S8, SM-G955N, Android 7
(among others). Bluestacks emulates OnePlus 3T, A3010, Android 6.0.1
(among others). Those support specs might have changed since I last updated.

After installing the CBS Sports App on both emulators yesterday, I
noticed Nox had some audio lag on the CBS football preview video.
Bluestacks had none. But that might have had to do with the way I
allocated memory to each emulator. Normally Nox runs fine.

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 00:19:27 -0600, kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>>> I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
>>> screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
>>> laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
>>> Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
>>
>> Which Android emulator do you like to use with Windows?
>
>I like both the Nox emulator and the Bluestacks emulator on my Windows
>10. I slightly prefer Nox because it starts faster and is a bit easier
>to setup and use. Nox emulates Samsung Galaxy S8, SM-G955N, Android 7
>(among others). Bluestacks emulates OnePlus 3T, A3010, Android 6.0.1
>(among others). Those support specs might have changed since I last updated.
>
>After installing the CBS Sports App on both emulators yesterday, I
>noticed Nox had some audio lag on the CBS football preview video.
>Bluestacks had none. But that might have had to do with the way I
>allocated memory to each emulator. Normally Nox runs fine.

Excellent, thank you. I'll check out both of them.

"kelown" <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote

| * I use Google Keep to save notes bidirectionally between my Android and
| Windows laptop.
| * I use Android Link to Windows to copy/paste text bidirectionally
| between my Android and Windows laptop.
| * I use Android app grocery list while shopping.
| * I use Google Maps to give me real-time vocal and visual directions
| while driving.
| * I use Android app to inform me when a police radar or red light camera
| is nearby while driving.
| * I use Android app to remember where I parked my car.
| * Occasionally use Android app to keep track of city bus schedules when
| using public transportation.
| * I play games on my Android while waiting in public spaces.
| * I use Android app to pay for apartment laundry machines.
| * I use Android or Windows app to connect my otoscope for visually
| cleaning my ears while watching on a screen.
| * I use Android app to connect to my Bluetooth blood pressure monitor to
| keep track of my readings for my doctor.
| * I use Android app to control my WiFi robot vacuum.
| * I use Android app as a magnifying glass via camera.
| * I use Android apps to play Internet radio stations while at the gym.
| * I use Android apps to watch TV shows on my smartphone, Android TV box,
| and my PC emulator.

Thanks. It's interesting to see how different people use
devices. I often wish I could look over peoples' shoulders
to see what they're doing on their cellphones. (Though when I
do get a peek it seems to usually be fast scrolling through
something... Twitter? Instagram? Many people seem to spend much
of their time in virtual clicque conversations, offering each other
jokes and photos in a steady stream.

Most of what you list here are cellphone activities. It looks
like the only functions that might call for apps on Windows are
the transfer of text/notes between devices. But I can see how
the Android emulator gives you a sense of fluidity -- that
there isn't a communication barrier between the two devices.

I don't generally do any of the things that you list. I do
make shopping lists, but I use a "pentadigit computer", which
consists of a hand, a pencil, and a pad of 3x5 paper. In fact,
that also serves to provide my weekly calendar "app". :)

From what I've seen, I think you're by far more normal than
I am. The iPhone was invented only about 15 years ago. Android
came later. Yet we're fast approaching a time where most
interaction is digital and cellphones act as a personal interface
to society. I expect one of these days I'll be arrested for not
having a cellphone to surrender to an "officer of the peace".

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "kelown" <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote
>
> | You come across as too paranoid about Android and too inexperienced with
> | it to engage in a meaningful discussion about it.
> |
> | You're making a lot of unproven claims about a product you don't use.
>
> | I use the Android TV box to display Android apps on a much larger
> | screen. I use an Android emulator to use Android apps on my Windows 10
> | laptop. There's a lot of software that's available on Android and not on
> | Windows, especially apps intended for portable entertainment.
>
> Your thinking is understandable. I wouldn't expect anyone who
> uses Google products to understand or care about privacy issues.

Sigh!

Why do you insist on uttering such condescending, patronizing,
uninformed, unsubstantiated, obnoxious, pompous twattery on stuff you
know little to nothing about and about products you don't/hardly even
use!?

kelown essentially said the same thing. Wonder why that is?

Take your fingers out of your ears and open your closed eyes. That you
silently *ignore* counter arguments (see my earlier response [1] in this
thread), does not mean they were not *given*.

Some repeats:

[Repeat:]

Well, Google isn't spying on me. Microsoft isn't spying on me. Meta
isn't spying on me. Etc., etc..

Why is Google spying on you, while - I assume/hope - Microsoft isn't?
Maybe because you do know how to manage/use a Windows machine, but can't
be bothered to learn how to manage/use an Android device, while
continously ranting how bad/evil they are?
....
Obviously don't know about CBS, but my experience with company
specific apps is quite good. No "spyware" or privacy issues at all.

[End repeat.]

Read my lips: 'No "spyware" or privacy issues at all.'

Moral: You can *read* all the FUD, urban legends and other nonsense
you like, but when you *spout* it in an audience where people *do* know
what they're talking about, be prepared for the response(s).

[...]

[1] Message-ID: <uqdjk4.tuo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

Newyana2 wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:49:09 -0500 :

>| Nothing wrong with ClipGrab or YTD Video Downloader on Windows to download
>| and rip YouTube videos and there's nothing wrong with using something like
>| QMPlay2 on Windows to play a series of YouTube URLs in any sequence.
>|
>| But I haven't yet found a program on Windows that does anything even close
>| to what NewPipe on Android does for the overall YouTube user experience.
>| https://newpipe.net/
>|
>| If I had to name the one most useful functionality on Android that Windows
>| completely lacks, it's that. Even the freeware folks can't find one.
>
> I see. Thanks for the explanation. I guess it's a matter of
> usage profiles. None of what you list is of interest to me.

I HAVE TO SPLIT THIS INTO MULTIPLE POSTS AS MY SERVER
WON'T ALLOW LONG MESSAGES APPARENTLY.

While you don't need a phone all that much, most of us use it a lot.
And kids use it even more than we do as most of us old men don't
need X (formerly known as Twitter); but our kids swear by that stuff.

But for me, the phone is an extension of Windows (and Windows is an
extension of the phone) where they're always used together & not alone when
I'm at home.

Of course when I'm on the road, that's where the utility of the phone
shines but at home, it's like having a third monitor for the Windows PC
that does stuff that the first two monitors don't necessarily do.

Or, more importantly, some things are just done better on the phone, for
reasons unknown to me (like text to speech & speech to text translations).

I especially like the speech-to-wav file tools on Android where I can make
my own custom notifications and alarms - where I'm sure the freeware folks
can find such things on Windows - but they're abundant on Android already.

Newyana2 wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:49:09 -0500 :
> I wouldn't watch youtube videos at all if I can't download them.

SECOND SPLIT OF THREE BECAUSE OF NEWS SERVER LIMITATIONS

Nothing wrong with yt-dlp (a fork of youtube-dl) and the various GUIs.

But you can't search with them nor can you "subscribe" to a youtube channel
with them for example, where with Newpipe, that's an anonymous
subscription, so there's more to a youtube client than just watching
movies.

Nor do you get privacy by default, although with VPN you can with yt-dlp.

My point is you're looking at only the one feature of "watching" the movie;
but there's more to a youtube client than just the last part that you do.

> I did try watching movies on there, once. The ads intruded with
> no relation to the movie scenes.

Huh? Ads? Yuck. The horror. I never see ads. Seriously. Ads suck.

Since I never see ads, I must be confused by what you mean by "watching on
there" as you should never see an ad in Android or in Windows.

No matter what tool you're using.
If you see an ad, something has gone very wrong.

Certainly not while watching YouTube videos you shouldn't see any Google
inserted ads. You might have seen ads that the commentator himself inserted
though, but a couple of quick taps forwards past those internal ads.

> It was unwatchable. But mostly
> I just watch several streaming sources, anyway.

There's more to a YouTube client than just the final result.
How do you handle subscriptions & comments for example?

> And of those, Netflix is the only one I have to pay for.

Pretty much I suspect anything you really want is on a torrent site.
But let's not go there for this thread since it's about the superbowl.

On 13 Feb 2024, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> posted some news
<news:uqg68f.2o4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>:

> Moral: You can *read* all the FUD, urban legends and other nonsense
> you like, but when you *spout* it in an audience where people *do* know
> what they're talking about, be prepared for the response(s).

Psychologically speaking, it's the exact same attitude that racists have.
They know one thing about something and then apply that one thing to all.
Without any evidence that the one thing that they know applies to all.

Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as Mayayana's.

THIRD OF THREE. I had to change the spelling of the pir-ate-bay
and limit it to a single newsgroup, and send it a thousand times.

If you get this, it finally got past the undecipherable filters.

> Tonight we watched
> an old Clark Gable movie, "It Happened One Night", downloaaded
> from archive.org.

I can find anything that has been uploaded by someone on the Internet,
where I read a lot of books which are found on the libgen type sites.

Pretty much, if someone uploaded it, it's easy to find nowadays.

You just have to know how to use the tools, bitto--rrents being some
of them, onion addresses being another & downloaders being another still.

For example, this shows that Clark Gable movie is easily available
https://thep--ira--teba--y.o--rg/search.php?q=It+Happened+One+Night

All you'd have to do is download this magnet.
https://the-pir-ate-bay.-org/search.php?q=It+Happened+One+Night

In a few minutes (depending on your download speeds of course)
you could have the movie on your PC to watch at your leisure.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025316/
IMDB RATING: 8.3
FORMAT.......................: MP4
CODEC........................: X264
GENRE........................: Comedy
FILE SIZE....................: 1.64 GB
RESOLUTION...................: 1440*1080
FRAME RATE...................: 23.976 fps
LANGUAGE.....................: English
SUBTITLES....................: NONE
RUNTIME......................: 105 mins
"Ellie Andrews has just tied the knot with society aviator King Westley
when she is whisked away to her father's yacht and out of King's clutches.
Ellie jumps ship and eventually winds up on a bus headed back to her
husband. Reluctantly she must accept the help of out-of- work reporter
Peter Warne. Actually, Warne doesn't give her any choice: either she sticks
with him until he gets her back to her husband, or he'll blow the whistle
on Ellie to her father. Either way, Peter gets what (he thinks!) he wants
..... a really juicy newspaper story."

Anyway, if you use torr--ents, my suggestion (of course) is to use Tor,
and then grab the magnet, and since latency is revealing, wait a few
days, and then grab the movie from that saved magnet (so you haven't been
on the Tor browser recently), where I'd switch free VPN servers every
once in a while by way of habit, and implement the typical killswitch
in case the free VPN drops out, and so on... but I'm sure you know that
stuff as it's the basic stuff everyone does when they torrent movies.

Newyana2 wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:51:35 -0500 :

> It's interesting to see how different people use
> devices.

There are basically three use models as I understand them.

1. Kids & younger adults (like up to about 30 years old)
2. Adults (older than about 30 years old)
3. Technocrats (that's most of us)

You think like the #2 group thinks.
But most of us are in the #3 technocrat group.

None of us are kids, so playing games & texting all day (which is what
you're probably seeing people do waiting somewhere in line) & sending MMS
images of just about everything & using maps like their second set of eyes
& being on social media letting everyone know how to find them & basically
using the phone as the main computing device isn't for the #2 or #3 groups.

Most of the #2 group don't do any of that to the degree that the #1 group
does it, but they'll use email and maybe even a few texts and MMS messages
and they'll maybe use Google Maps to get around since it's so nice.

The #3 group is us. We're varied but most of us know the phone inside and
out. We know what it does. We know what it doesn't do. We aren't afraid to
install something. We aren't afraid to delete it. We change our launchers.
We change our default browsers. We don't log into things we don't want to
log into, and none of us ever see an advertisement (otherwise we're in the
#2 group and not a technocrat at all).

There's nothing wrong with any group.
They are what they choose to be.

Char Jackson wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2024 01:24:47 -0600 :

>>I like both the Nox emulator and the Bluestacks emulator on my Windows
> Excellent, thank you. I'll check out both of them.

Genymotion t'ain't bad 'neither. The only gotcha is you have to create a
bogus email account (protonmail works) and then register it as personal
use.

"Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote

| There's more to a YouTube client than just the final result.
| How do you handle subscriptions & comments for example?
|

That's a good point, but for me it's irrelevant. I'm not
interested in either. I think of something I want to see
and search for it. If it turns up on youtube, I download
it. That's it. I don't enable script on Google properties,
so youtube.com no longer works for me. But I don't miss
it.

"Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote

| I can find anything that has been uploaded by someone on the Internet,
| where I read a lot of books which are found on the libgen type sites.
|

That's getting into illegal activity. I don't like to go there.
And I don't get involved with torrents. Thanks, anyway.

"Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote

| There are basically three use models as I understand them.
| | 1. Kids & younger adults (like up to about 30 years old)
| 2. Adults (older than about 30 years old)
| 3. Technocrats (that's most of us)
| | You think like the #2 group thinks.
| But most of us are in the #3 technocrat group.
| | None of us are kids, so playing games & texting all day (which is what
| you're probably seeing people do waiting somewhere in line) & sending MMS
| images of just about everything & using maps like their second set of eyes
| & being on social media letting everyone know how to find them & basically
| using the phone as the main computing device isn't for the #2 or #3
groups.
| | Most of the #2 group don't do any of that to the degree that the #1 group
| does it, but they'll use email and maybe even a few texts and MMS messages
| and they'll maybe use Google Maps to get around since it's so nice.
| | The #3 group is us. We're varied but most of us know the phone inside and
| out. We know what it does. We know what it doesn't do. We aren't afraid to
| install something. We aren't afraid to delete it. We change our launchers.
| We change our default browsers. We don't log into things we don't want to
| log into, and none of us ever see an advertisement (otherwise we're in the
| #2 group and not a technocrat at all).

I can believe that the under-30s use cellphones more. But in
my experience most people I know use them almost constantly.
I have friends who want me to call them when I go to their house
because the doorbell is outside of their comfort zone. One friend
who's 75 has his cellphone on the table with him, like his favorite
stuffed bear, whenever we meet for lunch. My neice who's nearly
40 uses it to pay for things, to control locks, call Ubers... For her
it's the place where she meets most functionality in her life.

But you may be right about younger people. They're more dependent
on socializing generally. I've considered the trend to be disturbing.
But it's not only the phones. It's also the social media and the
commercial ownership of the entire venue. On the bright side,
psychologists and teachers are finally coming around and talking about
the widespread addiction with kids. For many years people thought
any screen was educational. Now that's finally beginning to change.

On 2024-02-13 20:32, rdb wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2024, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> posted some news
> <news:uqg68f.2o4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>:
>
>> Moral: You can *read* all the FUD, urban legends and other nonsense
>> you like, but when you *spout* it in an audience where people *do* know
>> what they're talking about, be prepared for the response(s).
>
> Psychologically speaking, it's the exact same attitude that racists have.
> They know one thing about something and then apply that one thing to all.
> Without any evidence that the one thing that they know applies to all.
>
> Carlos has the same racist attitude - but just not as strong as Mayayana's.

Hi, Arlen!

--
Cheers, Carlos.