On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/24 4:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
>>> On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>>>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups.   So maybe
>>>> trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
>>>
>>> If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here.
>>> Since I
>>> only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that
>>> much.
>>> At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...
>>
>> It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
>> than you.
>
> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> Good luck all...

I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.

It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
of deleting one.

That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant, your
method is not polite.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>Windows repairs.
>
>Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true

To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
last name is.)

>believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
>of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
>them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >[...]
> >> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
> >> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
> >> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
> >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
> >> >> Micky... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
> >> >happen.
> >> >
> >> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
> >> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
> >> >
> >> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
> >
> > Non response duly noted.
> >
> >> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
> >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
> >> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
> >> >
> >> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
> >> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
> >>
> >> Aye aye sir...
> >
> > I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
> >(non-)arguments.
> >
> > So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
>
> You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
> mean...

Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
main beef.)

Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >>
> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >
> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >topic.
> >> >
> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >
> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>
> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> just related but clearly related.

Sigh!

You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.

[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
>
> >> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> >> Good luck all...
>
> >I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
> >It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
> >of deleting one.
>
> That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...

It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off
group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to
alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
the crosspost.

IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
after *you* broke the crosspost.

> >That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
>
> I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.

So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
of course fine.)

> >your method is not polite.
>
> I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
> what's impolite.

Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
Subject: header.

> The recent net-cop Micky bashing

Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated
crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.

> and this current
> crosspost bitchfest are examples.

This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more
experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).

Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
bitchfest').

> But then I'm to blame as well for taking
> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
> traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
> on...

I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >Windows repairs.
> >
> >Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
>
> To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
> guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
> they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
> last name is.)

Thanks for the clarification (for others).

BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in
alt.comp.os.windows-10)?

> >believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
> >of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
> >them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >[...]
> >> >> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
> >> >> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
> >> >> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
> >> >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
> >> >> >> Micky... ;-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
> >> >> >happen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
> >> >> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
> >> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
> >> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
> >> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
> >> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
> >> >
> >> > Non response duly noted.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
> >> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
> >> >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
> >> >> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
> >> >> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
> >> >>
> >> >> Aye aye sir...
> >> >
> >> > I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
> >> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
> >> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
> >> >(non-)arguments.
> >> >
> >> > So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
> >>
> >> You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
> >> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
> >> mean...
> >
> > Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
> >standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
> >main beef.)
>
> Whew. That main beef, is it well done?

If you're trying to act like a jerk, you're doing a good job of it.

> > Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
> >offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
> >what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.
>
> What does your book say about continuing this non-Android BS in the Android
> group? I mean it makes interesting reading and the tit for tat is fun, but
> isn't it against your long published scruples? Do as I say... ;)

Get over yourself with "your long published scruples? Do as I say..."
offensive accusations of double standards. It's all and only in your
head, not on any actual record.

As to the first sentence: Still not reading for comprehension are we!?
The thread was/is *crossposted* and rightly so (and once crossposted,
the crosspost should not be broken). What you call "this non-Android BS
in the Android group" is - as I *said* - thread drift. Yes, thread
drift is often off-topic. OTOH, talking about Usenet practice on Usenet
is often legit.

Anyway, if you don't like the 'off-topic' stuff, take it up with those
who started the subthread(s) (and didn't mark them OT). *I* can do well
without your misinformed and misdirected claptrap.

And no, adding some smileys does *not* justify/excuse the offense/
insults.

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> >On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
> >>
> >> >> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> >> >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> >> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> >> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> >> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> >> >> Good luck all...
> >>
> >> >I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
> >> >It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
> >> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
> >> >of deleting one.
> >>
> >> That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
> >> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
> >> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...
> >
> > It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
> >you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off
> >group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
> >want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to
> >alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
> >the crosspost.
> >
> > IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
> >after *you* broke the crosspost.
> >
> >> >That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
> >>
> >> I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.
> >
> > So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
> >articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
> >of course fine.)
> >
> >> >your method is not polite.
> >>
> >> I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
> >> what's impolite.
> >
> > Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
> >Subject: header.
> >
> >> The recent net-cop Micky bashing
> >
> > Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
> >bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated
> >crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
> >the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.
> >
> >> and this current
> >> crosspost bitchfest are examples.
> >
> > This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
> >(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more
> >experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).
> >
> > Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> >by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> >*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> >bitchfest').
> >
> >> But then I'm to blame as well for taking
> >> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
> >> traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
> >> on...
> >
> > I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
> >realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
> >results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.
>
> Nah. Changed my mind. Sounds more like mother... ;)
>
> But keep up the OT sermons. We need the traffic in a slow Android group...

Have you read anything of what I - *and others* - wrote? Did you
understand any of it?

Did you see that *micky* gave the exact same "OT sermon" on (not)
cutting crossposts?

Or were you too busy thinking of 'cute' offensive one-liners with
'cute' smileys?

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >> >topic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >> >
> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
> >>
> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> >> just related but clearly related.
> >
> > Sigh!
> >
> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
> >related to home repair.
> >
> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
>
> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)

I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
net-cop.

On 2/19/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> *and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> bitchfest').
>

There's some reference here to USENET clients, and it's a mixed lot.
Possibly a paid client would work better, but then you'd need to
find a review somewhere, to verify it is feature-complete.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Z-ZUUdnkcEY

Even Thunderbird isn't feature complete, but not in a way that
affects others or the general health of threads.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> > by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> > *and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> > bitchfest').
>
> There's some reference here to USENET clients, and it's a mixed lot.
> Possibly a paid client would work better, but then you'd need to
> find a review somewhere, to verify it is feature-complete.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Z-ZUUdnkcEY
>
> Even Thunderbird isn't feature complete, but not in a way that
> affects others or the general health of threads.

<firmly sitting on hands>

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >> >> >topic.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> >> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> >> >> just related but clearly related.
> >> >
> >> > Sigh!
> >> >
> >> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
> >> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
> >> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
> >> >related to home repair.
> >> >
> >> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
> >>
> >> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
> >
> > I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
> >*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
> >that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
> >net-cop.
>
> A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
> others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
> near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
> (winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
> cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
> slipped out... 8-O

Exactly *which* part of the "*AND*" bit did you miss / not understand!?

Sure, a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
that's not very likely, is it!?

But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something
positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.

From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
wrath of AJL, or worse, his 'humour'.

I think were done. Agreed? I'm a net-cop. You act like a jerk. News at
eleven.

In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:20:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
>> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >Windows repairs.
>> >
>> >Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
>>
>> To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
>> guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
>> they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
>> last name is.)
>
> Thanks for the clarification (for others).
>
> BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
>you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in
>alt.comp.os.windows-10)?

I have seen the other but I don't think I've checked the T's to see if
they are the same. I mean AHR's T.
>
>> >believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
>> >of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
>> >them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:20:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
> >> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >Windows repairs.
> >> >
> >> >Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
> >>
> >> To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
> >> guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
> >> they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
> >> last name is.)
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification (for others).
> >
> > BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
> >you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in
> >alt.comp.os.windows-10)?
>
> I have seen the other but I don't think I've checked the T's to see if
> they are the same. I mean AHR's T.

Thanks. (For obvious reasons,) I don't follow AHR, so, for the time
being, let's assume they're two different T's.

I think we've now crossed our T's. Any I's to dot?

> >> >believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
> >> >of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
> >> >them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 19:59:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> >> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> >> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>> >> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>> >> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>> >> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>> >> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>> >> >> >> >topic.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>> >> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>> >> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>> >> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
>> >> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
>> >> >> just related but clearly related.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sigh!
>> >> >
>> >> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
>> >> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
>> >> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
>> >> >related to home repair.
>> >> >
>> >> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
>> >>
>> >> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
>> >
>> > I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
>> >*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
>> >that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
>> >net-cop.
>>
>> A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
>> others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
>> near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
>> (winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
>> cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
>> slipped out... 8-O
>
> Exactly *which* part of the "*AND*" bit did you miss / not understand!?
>
> Sure, a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
>that's not very likely, is it!?

I used to work as a computer programemer for Keane, Inc.(based near
Boston but in several cities) and Mr. Keane had written a short book
called the Two-Minute Manager, and he gave copies to all the employees,
I think.

And its whole point was that when rebuking an employee, you should start
with 30 seconds of praise, then one minute of rebuke and iirc 30 seconds
of more praise.

So theoretically it's likely, but otoh, in all the time I was there, no
one ever treated me that way. I got criticism several times but don't
remember any praise at all, LOL

> But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something
>positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.
>
> From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
>wrath of AJL, or worse, his 'humour'.
>
> I think were done. Agreed? I'm a net-cop. You act like a jerk. News at
>eleven.

In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >> >>> Windows repairs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>> >> >
>> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>> >> >topic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>> >> >keep the ng interesting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>> >> monitor is much of the time.
>> >
>> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>>
>> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
>> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
>> just related but clearly related.
>
> Sigh!
>
> You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
>as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
>*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
>related to home repair.

Alt.home.repair does not count because we have a well-established
practice of posting non-political stuff like what I post.

We're not talking about politics, which afaicr I only post to AHR, but
about computers or phones and everyone in AHR has a computer and a cell
phone and they are interested, They are interested in cars too,
anything mechanical or electric.

Since iiuc you don't read and iiuc have never been inclined to read AHR,
I don't understand your concern for whether posts there are on topic or
not.
As I said, I find the notion that newsgroups must stick to their named
topic to silly. There are advantages to that and they were more
important when even one ng carried more traffic than a person could
read, but traffic is light now and all of us are interested in many
things. And just like I know who in AHR makes sense and who does not,
they have their opinions of me and some may well have filtered me out if
they think I'm not worth reading.

BTW even though I replied to you first many posts ago, to defend AHR, I
think this is what AJL means by "micky bashing". :-)

BTW2, I have't prefixed the subject of these posts with OT because I
think a change in subject will break the thread in some readers
depending on their settings. Yes, you can still find the first part but
it seems like a lot of touble when you have 10's of thousands of
headers.

Debated whether to add AHR or not. Did so, because it needs
non-political excitement.

>[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

This of course is not bashing but the rest of it was.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
[...]

micky, I'll drop this, because there's just no point.

As I've said, you're an OK guy. Because you're an OK guy, I have
helped you on several occasions and got the thanks for that.

Continuing this discussion would only lead to more aggravation,
because we're on totally different pages and are only get more apart
instead of closer.

See you.

In comp.mobile.android, on 22 Feb 2024 11:00:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>[...]
>
> micky, I'll drop this, because there's just no point.

Okay, makes sense.
>
> As I've said, you're an OK guy. Because you're an OK guy, I have
>helped you on several occasions and got the thanks for that.
>
> Continuing this discussion would only lead to more aggravation,
>because we're on totally different pages and are only get more apart
>instead of closer.

> See you.

And it turns out I misspelled repiar in home repair so it did not show
up there.

> Alt.home.repair does not count because we have a well-established
> practice of posting non-political stuff like what I post.

Who agreed to that? I've been reading alt.home.repair for ages and never
came across such an agreement or discussion to pollute that newsgroup.
In fact, for a long time it was one of the few groups that mostly stuck
to home repair topics.

However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.

Frank Slootweg wrote on 2/22/24 4:00 AM:
> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:06:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>
> micky, I'll drop this, because there's just no point.
>
> As I've said, you're an OK guy. Because you're an OK guy, I have
> helped you on several occasions and got the thanks for that.
>
> Continuing this discussion would only lead to more aggravation,
> because we're on totally different pages and are only get more apart
> instead of closer.
>
> See you.
>
At this stage and probably much earlier (it) no longer applies to
alt.comp.os.windows10.

Since my comment was about Win10(this group), the two other
groups(android, and home repair have been removed for this reply.

--
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:20:17 -0600, kelown
<kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>> Alt.home.repair does not count because we have a well-established
>> practice of posting non-political stuff like what I post.
>
>Who agreed to that? I've been reading alt.home.repair for ages and never

So have I, 30 years, but I don't recognize your name or email address.

>came across such an agreement or discussion to pollute that newsgroup.
>In fact, for a long time it was one of the few groups that mostly stuck
>to home repair topics.

That's true. I resisted the off topic threads for several months until
they goaded me into a reply. Several other regulars also had replied. I
gather a few left the group, but it's hard to tell, usually not noticed,
when someone leaves.
>However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
>made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.

I post on topic as well, a substantial percentage of new on-topic
threads. And I mark the off-topic threads I start as OT. So you only
have to filter on that.

>> However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
>> made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.
>
> I post on topic as well, a substantial percentage of new on-topic
> threads. And I mark the off-topic threads I start as OT. So you only
> have to filter on that.

I still see you on newsgroups where you post appropriately. I just felt
that your deliberate OT posts in a.h.r were harming that newsgroup and I
didn't want to encourage that behavior with responses.

I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 24 Feb 2024 07:45:41 -0600, kelown
<kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>>> However, I've decided to filter you specifically from a.h.r since you've
>>> made it clear that your posts will deliberately add noise.
>>
>> I post on topic as well, a substantial percentage of new on-topic
>> threads. And I mark the off-topic threads I start as OT. So you only
>> have to filter on that.
>
>I still see you on newsgroups where you post appropriately. I just felt
>that your deliberate OT posts in a.h.r were harming that newsgroup and I
>didn't want to encourage that behavior with responses.

Understood.

>I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
>the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
>about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.

So what were you called before?

I changed my handle one or more times, iirc something to do with getting
a different computer and not remembering how to make it like the
previous one. I know I was mm for a while, and before that I don't
remember what I was. Sometimes when I'm searching the web I come across
someone with the same questions or opinions I have. That's very
pleasing but after a while, I realize I'm reading my own post.

>> I started posting in a.c.f in 1998, even before you, John Corliss and
>> the notorious BearBottoms were a thing. I changed my handle to kelown
>> about 2 years ago due to a malicious spoofer using my old handle.
>
> So what were you called before?

IIRC, I've had 3 handles but I don't quite remember the first one (that
I used the longest). I switched to "M.L." after getting a new computer.
I kept that handle until someone started impersonating it (impersonated
other posters too). So I changed to my current handle.

> I changed my handle one or more times, iirc something to do with getting
> a different computer and not remembering how to make it like the
> previous one. I know I was mm for a while, and before that I don't
> remember what I was. Sometimes when I'm searching the web I come across
> someone with the same questions or opinions I have. That's very
> pleasing but after a while, I realize I'm reading my own post.
>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:10:34 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on 19 Feb 2024 16:20:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg
><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
>>you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in
>>alt.comp.os.windows-10)?
>
>I have seen the other but I don't think I've checked the T's to see if
>they are the same. I mean AHR's T.

They are the same person. T (Todd) posts in AHR as well as the Windows groups.
By saying that, I'm not spilling any beans.