Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?

To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
easy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-01-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-01-09 11:49 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> I don't think ...
>>>
>>> Stop right there. :-)
>>
>> Says the guy who sees nothing wrong with parents allowing kids to
>> self-mutilate.
>
> No kids self-mutilate without their parent's consent. And with a doctor
> recommendation, the doctor does it.

Except when they do. Apparently the consent of ONE parent suffices, even
when the other vehemently opposes it. And there is definitely a push to allow
kids (as young as 10) to "make their own decisions" on allowing doctors to
mutilate them. Merely read the news.

> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.

Yep. Less so now then in the past. You can thank phony "science" for that
stupidity. Just like you can thank delusional "science" for asinine,
so-called "sex change" operations.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-01-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-01-09 12:30 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 1/9/2024 12:08 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Gaffigan at the Golden Globes:
>>>>
>>>>    This is so exciting for me. The Golden Globes. I mean I, I can't even
>>>>    believe I'm in the entertainment industry. I can't... it's so
>>>> unlikely.
>>>>    I'm from a small town in Indiana. I'm not a pedophile...
>>>
>>> "Hollywood is filled with pedophiles!"
>>>
>>> Such a lame, invalid meme spread by conspiracy losers.
>>
>> American politics and Hollywood are both filled with pedophiles.
>
> Filled? No. But you will find them, and irregardless of politics, "Hollywood",
> and religion.

A lot more than most people know (or want to know). And even one pedophile
can ruin MANY lives.

If someone discovers a pedophile priest or preacher, it's widely broadcast. A
pedophile rabbi, not so widely broadcast. A pedophile politician, school
teacher, or Hollywood CEO or a corporate predator (blackmail ring reporting
to Mossad, Epstein) it takes years to get into the Main Stream Media.
They protect their own slimeballs.

https://rumble.com/v451khe-2019-flashbackamy-robach-caught-on-hot-mic-talking-about-proof-clinton-was-.html

The slime is deep in Hollywood and in the "rank" ranks of the MSM.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?
>
> To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
> Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
> offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
> instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
> arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
> easy.

I like slrn. And mutt. Both are amazingly configurable, and fast to use once
set up. I set them up to use vi-like keys.

As a side benefit I can use them in a terminal window, with tmux, and over SSH
if I need to.

--
Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.

OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
breasts cut off? Sheesh!

On 2024-01-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>>>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>>>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?
>>
>> To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
>> Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
>> offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
>> instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
>> arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
>> easy.
>
> I like slrn. And mutt. Both are amazingly configurable, and fast to use once
> set up. I set them up to use vi-like keys.
>
> As a side benefit I can use them in a terminal window, with tmux, and over SSH
> if I need to.

Learning slrn is not difficult. Instead of "reviewing the process" Joel
should have just installed slrn and worked with it. That's the way you
really learn, by doing, not "reviewing."

I use Jstar in slrn, because I've used WordStar keystrokes for close to 50
years.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-01-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>>>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>>>>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?
>>>
>>> To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
>>> Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
>>> offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
>>> instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
>>> arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
>>> easy.
>>
>> I like slrn. And mutt. Both are amazingly configurable, and fast to use once
>> set up. I set them up to use vi-like keys.
>>
>> As a side benefit I can use them in a terminal window, with tmux, and over SSH
>> if I need to.
>
>Learning slrn is not difficult. Instead of "reviewing the process" Joel
>should have just installed slrn and worked with it. That's the way you
>really learn, by doing, not "reviewing."
>
>I use Jstar in slrn, because I've used WordStar keystrokes for close to 50
>years.

I did install it, but to configure it was a bunch of arcane crap like
I'm running it on a shell account, reminding me of why they invented
the GUI 40 years ago. Fuckin' right-wing spew machine, "RonB", you do
good advocacy, but you're still a moron.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-01-11 8:08 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.
>
> OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
> breasts cut off? Sheesh!

There's no reasoning with Ahlstrom. I'll be skipping his idiotic posts
from now on.

--
@RabidPedagog
Anti-Marxist

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-01-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>>>>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>>>>>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?
>>>>
>>>> To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
>>>> Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
>>>> offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
>>>> instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
>>>> arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
>>>> easy.
>>>
>>> I like slrn. And mutt. Both are amazingly configurable, and fast to use once
>>> set up. I set them up to use vi-like keys.
>>>
>>> As a side benefit I can use them in a terminal window, with tmux, and over SSH
>>> if I need to.
>>
>>Learning slrn is not difficult. Instead of "reviewing the process" Joel
>>should have just installed slrn and worked with it. That's the way you
>>really learn, by doing, not "reviewing."
>>
>>I use Jstar in slrn, because I've used WordStar keystrokes for close to 50
>>years.
>
>
> I did install it, but to configure it was a bunch of arcane crap like
> I'm running it on a shell account, reminding me of why they invented
> the GUI 40 years ago.

You can use the GUI at first as a crutch. I did. But eventually you want to
search for something faster.

--
You don't become a failure until you're satisfied with being one.

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.
>
> OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
> breasts cut off? Sheesh!

How about we subject you to it? Cuts both ways. Get it? Get it? :-D

And I supposed you think infibulation is a minor thing as well?

--
Q: How many bureaucrats does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Two. One to assure everyone that everything possible is being
done while the other screws the bulb into the water faucet.

RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-01-11 8:08 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.
>>
>> OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
>> breasts cut off? Sheesh!
>
> There's no reasoning with Ahlstrom. I'll be skipping his idiotic posts
> from now on.

Good.

--
Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.
>>
>> OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
>> breasts cut off? Sheesh!
>
>How about we subject you to it? Cuts both ways. Get it? Get it? :-D

I was subjected to it. It's nothing remotely like a mastectomy.

>And I supposed you think infibulation is a minor thing as well?

Get a grip.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 2024-01-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>>>>>X-User-Agent: Microsoft Outl00k, Usenet K00k Editions
>>>>>>X-Slrn: Why use anything else?
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer that question, I had to review the process of using slrn.
>>>>> Yeesh, what a nightmare. And I thought I was dumbfounded by Wine as
>>>>> offered by the package managers never working, at least that had clear
>>>>> instructions on installation from the command line, slrn is just
>>>>> arcane as hell, makes using a Winblows GUI NNTP app under Wine seem
>>>>> easy.
>>>>
>>>> I like slrn. And mutt. Both are amazingly configurable, and fast to use once
>>>> set up. I set them up to use vi-like keys.
>>>>
>>>> As a side benefit I can use them in a terminal window, with tmux, and over SSH
>>>> if I need to.
>>>
>>>Learning slrn is not difficult. Instead of "reviewing the process" Joel
>>>should have just installed slrn and worked with it. That's the way you
>>>really learn, by doing, not "reviewing."
>>>
>>>I use Jstar in slrn, because I've used WordStar keystrokes for close to 50
>>>years.
>>
>> I did install it, but to configure it was a bunch of arcane crap like
>> I'm running it on a shell account, reminding me of why they invented
>> the GUI 40 years ago.
>
>You can use the GUI at first as a crutch. I did. But eventually you want to
>search for something faster.

If you mean I'm using Agent under Wine because the GUI is a crutch, I
don't know what that would suggest - if you mean something with using
slrn, I would certainly use a GUI terminal, and a Web browser to learn
the arcane junk to make it work, as I did compiling an IRC proxy on a
shell account, it's not like slrn is beyond my abilities, I just find
it ridiculous when I already have the best GUI product there is, and I
don't even need its commercial OS to run it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> However, American boys are routinely mutilated by circumcision.
>>>
>>> OMG. Get a grip, man. Is that anything like a girl having her
>>> breasts cut off? Sheesh!
>>
>>How about we subject you to it? Cuts both ways. Get it? Get it? :-D
>
>I was subjected to it. It's nothing remotely like a mastectomy.
>
>>And I supposed you think infibulation is a minor thing as well?
>
>Get a grip.

I'm circumcised. I like it, personally, and appreciate my parents for
doing it, honestly. If I were a dad to a boy, though, I am not so
sure I could order it done. If his mom wanted it, I would have to at
least have "the talk" to see if we could reach consensus on it. I
mean, how the fuck do we have that right? To do to a newborn? WTF?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 10/01/2024 15:07, RabidPedagog wrote:
It looks like the Clintons and Trump were also
> involved...

I'm sure you will have some cite that shows Trump was involved.

Don't get me wrong I have no love of Trump but he does seem to be
lambasted with critiques but none of them ever stick, are the Dems in
danger of being seen as anti-Trump (and accusing him of EVERYTHING) but
with no real proofs other than he was a (none too popular ) Republican
leader.

On 1/13/24 06:57, soup wrote:
> On 10/01/2024 15:07, RabidPedagog wrote:
>  It looks like the Clintons and Trump were also
>> involved...
>
> I'm sure you will have some cite that shows Trump was involved.

It is based on the testimony of the same person who pointed to Bill
Clinton as being involved. In the dialogue, it seems that Epstein and
Trump were a lot closer than the former president suggests. However,
everything is unproven at this point. I simply don't believe in Trump's
virtue because this is the same man who _proudly_ pushed poisonous
"vaccines" on the public, locked down a whole country and offered
premiums to states which would do so all the while claiming that someone
else was forcing him.

Looking back, this was a recurring theme with him:

10 problem appears
20 Trump states that the problem needs to be dealt with and insults
someone for not doing anything
30 people suggest a solution
40 Trump states that he wanted to do it but someone prevented him
50 GOTO 10.

>  Don't get me wrong I have no love of Trump but he does seem to be
> lambasted with critiques but none of them ever stick, are the Dems in
> danger of being seen as anti-Trump (and accusing him of EVERYTHING) but
> with no real proofs other than he was a (none too popular ) Republican
> leader.

It's becoming fairly clear to me that there are very few politicians in
the United States who actually care about the country and its people. It
doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican, they're all
worthless. Whether they want it or not, there will eventually be a
populist revolution because the traditional political parties have
demonstrated their uselessness.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

On 13/01/2024 12:42, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 1/13/24 06:57, soup wrote:
>> On 10/01/2024 15:07, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>   It looks like the Clintons and Trump were also
>>> involved...
>>
>> I'm sure you will have some cite that shows Trump was involved.
>
> It is based on the testimony of the same person who pointed to Bill
> Clinton as being involved. In the dialogue, it seems that Epstein and
> Trump were a lot closer than the former president suggests. However,
> everything is unproven at this point. I simply don't believe in Trump's
> virtue because this is the same man who _proudly_ pushed poisonous
> "vaccines" on the public, locked down a whole country and offered
> premiums to states which would do so all the while claiming that someone
> else was forcing him.
Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.

Unproven, and yet you come on here and spout that the vaccines were
poisonous.
Aside :-
Do you feel this applies just to the Covid vaccine or all vaccines.

There were a lot of politicians that forced lock-downs and mask
mandates I think they should ALL be judged for that.

>
> It's becoming fairly clear to me that there are very few politicians in
> the United States who actually care about the country and its people. It
> doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican, they're all
> worthless.

Widen this to all countries and all parties and I will agree with you on
this.

On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
> On 13/01/2024 12:42, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 06:57, soup wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2024 15:07, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>   It looks like the Clintons and Trump were also
>>>> involved...
>>>
>>> I'm sure you will have some cite that shows Trump was involved.
>>
>> It is based on the testimony of the same person who pointed to Bill
>> Clinton as being involved. In the dialogue, it seems that Epstein and
>> Trump were a lot closer than the former president suggests. However,
>> everything is unproven at this point. I simply don't believe in
>> Trump's virtue because this is the same man who _proudly_ pushed
>> poisonous "vaccines" on the public, locked down a whole country and
>> offered premiums to states which would do so all the while claiming
>> that someone else was forcing him.

> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.

I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to convince
you anyway. Believe what you want.

> Unproven, and yet you come on here and spout that the vaccines were
> poisonous.
> Aside :-
> Do you feel this applies just to the Covid vaccine or all vaccines.

I was referring specifically to the ones deployed as of 2021 and
strongly promoted by the governments of the world. Nevertheless,
considering the statistics of children dying or being damaged as a
result of vaccines they didn't really need, my position is that you
should stay away from them in general unless they are _proven_ to be
safe and effective through independent studies. My best friend in my
previous school board was damaged by the "vaccine" and had to have
surgery to remove her uterus, as has my sister-in-law. Apparently,
another one of our co-worker friends also has constant vaginal bleeding
following the deployment of those "vaccines" and has had to take some
time off for the surgery. That is enough for me to ignore pharmaceutical
companies as much as I can and seek out traditional, natural medicine
whenever I can.

>   There were a lot of politicians that forced lock-downs and mask
> mandates I think they should ALL be judged for that.

Agreed.

>> It's becoming fairly clear to me that there are very few politicians
>> in the United States who actually care about the country and its
>> people. It doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican, they're
>> all worthless.
>
> Widen this to all countries and all parties and I will agree with you on
> this.

Oh, trust me. I would widen it to the entire world. I'm getting to a
point where I believe that most nations would be better off becoming
loose alliances where states (or kingdoms) can easily secede from a
larger union whenever the federal government of that union makes
unethical or idiotic decisions. The United States has moved toward
making the president somewhat of a dictator as has Canada with its prime
minister and I believe that states should be free to tell him to fuck
off and make a small country out of their state right after they do
that. The way our prime minister in Canada treats Alberta and Quebec
makes it clear that the provinces would be better off outside of the
union as would Texas.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:

>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>
> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to convince
> you anyway. Believe what you want.

I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
wait for proof.

Ach well time will tell.
But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
Epstein than Trump.

soup wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
>
>>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>>
>> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
>> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to convince
>> you anyway. Believe what you want.
>
> I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
> Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
> wait for proof.
>
> Ach well time will tell.
> But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
> Epstein than Trump.

Clinton was a far more effective president, but some of the sexual pecadillos
revealed were as dismaying as those of Trump.

--
You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends.

On 2024-01-14, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> soup wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
>>
>>>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>>>
>>> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
>>> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to convince
>>> you anyway. Believe what you want.
>>
>> I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
>> Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
>> wait for proof.
>>
>> Ach well time will tell.
>> But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
>> Epstein than Trump.
>
> Clinton was a far more effective president, but some of the sexual pecadillos
> revealed were as dismaying as those of Trump.

Don't agree. Trump's sexual issues were in the past tense. Clinton's were
during his time in office, with fellow government employee. Clinton was also
accused of rape (at least once) and who knows what crap he was involved in
at Epstein's island. I'm guessing he didn't go there for a suntan.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-01-14, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>> Clinton was a far more effective president, but some of the sexual pecadillos
>> revealed were as dismaying as those of Trump.
>
>Don't agree. Trump's sexual issues were in the past tense. Clinton's were
>during his time in office, with fellow government employee. Clinton was also
>accused of rape (at least once) and who knows what crap he was involved in
>at Epstein's island. I'm guessing he didn't go there for a suntan.

Bill definitely would fuck anything over 18 that moves, I give you,
but Trump is every bit as weird sexually, having publicly talked about
an attraction to his own daughter, he's just a monster of a guy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-01-14, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> soup wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>>>>
>>>> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
>>>> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to convince
>>>> you anyway. Believe what you want.
>>>
>>> I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
>>> Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
>>> wait for proof.
>>>
>>> Ach well time will tell.
>>> But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
>>> Epstein than Trump.
>>
>> Clinton was a far more effective president, but some of the sexual pecadillos
>> revealed were as dismaying as those of Trump.
>
> Don't agree. Trump's sexual issues were in the past tense. Clinton's were
> during his time in office, with fellow government employee.

That's because Clinton was a lot younger prexy than was Trump.

These days it's Tucks and donut-holes for both of them. Maybe Depends and
Aderall as well.

> Clinton was also accused of rape (at least once) and who knows what crap he
> was involved in at Epstein's island. I'm guessing he didn't go there for a
> suntan.

Maybe some perineum sunning :-D

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He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his
argument.
-- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"

On 2024-01-14 1:49 p.m., soup wrote:
> On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
>
>>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>>
>> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
>> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to
>> convince you anyway. Believe what you want.
>
> I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
> Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
> wait for proof.
>
> Ach well time will tell.
>      But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
> Epstein than Trump.

A mere few weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. I guess I'm slightly
biased because I enjoy listening to David Knight and he's very much
anti-Trump. On his show, he ran down the evidence against Trump and
determined that the guy was no more innocent than Bill Clinton was. He
made his conclusion based on what was said by Epstein's former victim in
her interview which is little more than a suggestion that Epstein and
Trump regularly hung out.

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Anti-Marxist

On 2024-01-15, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-01-14 1:49 p.m., soup wrote:
>> On 14/01/2024 13:47, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-14 06:59, soup wrote:
>>
>>>> Ah right, so you "don't believe", that's me convinced.
>>>
>>> I'm saying that the allegations have been made but much like with
>>> Clinton, no concrete proof has been offered. I'm not looking to
>>> convince you anyway. Believe what you want.
>>
>> I do not believe anything I am of the wait and see persuasion.
>> Rather than come onto newsgroups and state things as fact I would rather
>> wait for proof.
>>
>> Ach well time will tell.
>>      But at the moment I see a lot more about Clinton connected to
>> Epstein than Trump.
>
> A mere few weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. I guess I'm slightly
> biased because I enjoy listening to David Knight and he's very much
> anti-Trump. On his show, he ran down the evidence against Trump and
> determined that the guy was no more innocent than Bill Clinton was. He
> made his conclusion based on what was said by Epstein's former victim in
> her interview which is little more than a suggestion that Epstein and
> Trump regularly hung out.

When I was young and Reagan was running for president, some of the people I
knew wouldn't vote for him because he had divorced and remarried. What Trump
(and Clinton) did would have have immediately disqualified them in most
people's minds at the time. It probably would have hurt Clinton's run for
president also, if people had known about it. By the time Trump came along
everyone was so jaded that it no longer mattered.

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-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput